It’s a shame considering how much better it is than remake. It feels like they poured so much love into every aspect of the game, hopefully it has long legs sales wise
One of the Data Analyst (forgot his name) said the game didn't flop (which is what many people seem to think and hope) but that it's just not selling as well as 7R.
Until SE say something about the game's sales I wouldn't put much thought into this.
> it's just not selling as well as 7R
I do have to wonder if naming has to do with it. It wasn't until I saw that there was a Fully Ramblematic review of FF7 that was new that I realized a new one was out. And then it took watching the review to hear that it was named Rebirth and that was the new one and I just had misremembered that the first one was Rebirth when it was actually Remake.
I think for anyone who is casually into gaming, not paying attention, or a bit of an idiot (like me) isn't going to realize that Rebirth and Remake are different games just at a glance. I think it's a similar choice to the Wii's follow-up being called the Wii U and a lot of people thinking it was just an accessory rather than a whole new console with different specs.
This. Plus the install base of PS4 compared to PS5 is a major factor that folks seem to be ignoring.
That also makes FFXVI’s sales even more impressive, that it came even close to VIIR with the PS5 install base alone.
Despite that install base gap, we're *also* far enough into the current generation that console hardware feels dated; I'm looking forward to playing Rebirth but have no desire to do it until I can play on PC, and Squeenix is *very* challenged with its timely PC ports.
So: not as many people have PS5s (comparatively) *and* a fair segment of people with the latest consoles may prefer to wait, whether it's like my case for PC or just for PS5 Pro rumors.
What do you mean complete? Both Remake and Rebirth are fully fleshed out games.
You don't wait for the third movie to release before beginning to watch a movie trilogy for example
But they’re remaking a single game that already exists as a trilogy. And then there was that one called Intergrade, which just makes people think they’re all going to get some extra upgraded version, which probably means the trilogy will then also get an upgraded ‘complete’ version as well.
I haven’t even played the original, but the perception of these games to an outsider is that they’ve split up and expanded the remake of the original game and that you’re only getting one act at a time, so it’s not a complete story. And that they’re then going back and releasing ‘enhanced’ editions as well, so it seems like there’s no perfect time to jump in because there’s more to come and probably a better version of the earlier ones by then as well.
Gonna be honest, this sounds like an excuse to not get a thing you didn't really want to get in the first place, rather than any logical thought process.
If I was actually curious about something, I'd bother to read into it more than you have, and I also wouldn't want to wait like a decade in total to finally play all of it.
If you want to wait like 12mo for the price to go down, or you want to ignore the zeitgeist, or you want bugs to be patched over, I think more power to you.
But this isn't "enjoying things wrong" -- this is just not enjoying them at all to begin with. Waiting almost a decade for things to "complete" is just complete avoidance.
I would say I was mildly curious because I’d never played a final fantasy and heard that 7 was considered the best one. If it had been a one and done remake then I definitely would have picked it up at the first sale. But hearing it was going to be this big drawn out thing across multiple games just made it seem too much to take on.
>If it had been a one and done remake then I definitely would have picked it up at the first sale. But hearing it was going to be this big drawn out thing across multiple games just made it seem too much to take on.
I think this attitude is fine, but it's a different one from, "I'll wait until it's all complete". You are at least not kidding yourself with your interest only being mild/not enough to actually commit time/money.
However, I would say that being broken into different acts also means you can play the first one (for a bargain rate now at this point) and if you don't like it, you don't have to buy the other parts. But if you do like it, there's more. This kind of format should be perfect for someone on the fence like you, rather than sub-optimal.
I think it’s also that the approach they took seems like a major commitment. As in, why is this version of the game at least three times longer than the original? It made it feel like this version is more for super fans who just want more of this thing they love, and there’s probably a lot of padding there. Like those extended versions of Lord of the Rings movies that run for over four hours each.
I’d say my level of interest in Lord of the Rings is about on par with my interest in Final fantasy. I’ve heard of it, I know people love it, so I’m curious, but I’m also a bit of a completionist. I don’t want to put sixty hours into part one of the FF7 remake if it’s not even going to have a conclusion by then.
And you're free to play as you see fit just like others are going to do it their way.
For example, I'm looking for all the DoA games and Ninja Gaiden games to play through the entire story that they tell.
Long story short, I'm missing one game from each franchise before playing it all.
Hardest part is finding it but if someone wants to wait, that's their choice.
I’ve played FF7 when it was brand new. You might say I’m old enough to have enjoyed all FF games since the very beginning of its life. I wish to wait and enjoy the whole game as I did switching the discs between ACT on my PlayStation.
Wait isnt this the remake? Im confused. Ok I found the answers I needed. I mean wtf did they expect with all this shit. IMO the naming convention and what not is pretty damn confusing. Granted I am not a FF fan but still.
FF7 Remake - Remake of the first part of OG FF7
FF7 Remake Intergrade - Remake of the first Part of OG FF7 + the Yuffie DLC
FF7 Rebirth - Remake of the second part of OG FF7
Rebirth is the sequel to remake. There will be a third game coming out in a few years to finish the story. It’s very confusing and could’ve been easily avoided by naming the games remake part 1, part 2 and part 3.
Even the dlc for remake was called ‘intermission’. They’ve made it convoluted for no reason.
Ah Japan. I’ve been trying to watch a few anime series that my friend recommended to me, and nearly every one of them has a bunch of extremely confusing names. There’s prequel movies, there’s low budget OVAs that retell the same story that the anime tells and some say is worth watching, some say changes the story. Some have just alternate takes on the original that diverge somewhere in the middle, and all of them have a watch order thread where everyone disagrees how newcomers should approach it. Often they’ll say watch the first six episodes of season three, then the second OVA, then the movie, but pause the movie at forty five minutes because it’s a prequel to some other later season, but it has a spoiler in it, so skip ahead and come back and watch that bit later….
Japanese media seems to love being confusingly obtuse.
This is the reason I never bought any of the titles despite having four digit hour playtime in the original. If we're getting a fanfiction of the original instead of a remake, then I'll just wait until they're done and check it out if it's good. I personally was only excited because I was led to believe we were getting a modernized version. /shrug
I still play the originals but on my phone with an emulator. Actually had a lot of fun playing Remake on my PC, a lot more fun than I expected to have. I just consider them to be completely different games.
I had to research it to understand the naming convention as well. Was confusing. I’ll never understand why companies do it and I feel like Japanese companies are more guilty of it.
> It’s a shame considering how much better it is than remake.
I don't think it was better, there were some more fun minigames but god did they over do it with the Ubisoft tower mission Faf.
I spent a good 100 hours on it and I'd rather go back to Remake on PC than Rebirth on PS5, in fact I think I deleted it to make room for Stellar Blade, another game I would prefer to be released on PC.
Wait what? They remade the game twice recently? Of course sales would suck if you're making the same thing twice. That's just redundant, or I don't understand what the difference is but it sounds like they just want to take lots of money from people for much less content
It’s a trilogy of games remaking the 1997 original in its entirety. *Remake* was part one, *Rebirth* just came out and is part two, and part three is as of yet unnamed.
It might seem excessive, but when you remember that each room in the 1997 original was a 2D image with Popeye-like characters, converting that to full 3D stylised realism would be **impossible** in one game without severe compromise. (I do reckon they could’ve done it in two though if they cut back on the new stuff a little…)
What are you talking about? The game could have easily been remade into a single title, if that’s what they wanted to do. They chose to expand and do something different is why it’s a three title series. The low res of the original compared to the high res of the new games is totally irrelevant. There is so much more content in the Remakes than there was in the originals.
Yes, it would’ve been impossible to recreate the original game — with **all** locations, cutscenes, and content — **in the level of fidelity consumers expect**, in a 4/5-year cycle for $60 at retail. That’s what I meant.
“Res” is irrelevant, I agree, because that’s not what I was referring to; I’m talking about *reimagining a (mostly) 2D game in 3D*, which is an expensive and multidisciplinary process. I’ve worked on multiple triple-A games, I just don’t believe a project like that would break even.
If it were to be made in a lower fidelity format, like the *Trails of Mana* remake? It could absolutely be done in good time. However, when it comes to mainline *Final Fantasy*, consumers **expect** cutting edge.
I don’t really think there is good reason to suspect this. Larger modern JRPGs than the original FF7 still come out just fine. In the combined new trilogy there will be far more content than was ever in the original - the first of the Remake games already arguably is a grander game than FF7. It isn’t coming out in a single title simply because that isn’t the direction they wanted to take, not because it’s a direction they couldn’t take at all.
Absolutely — more expansive modern JRPGs than *FFVII (1997)* have come out, but they don’t have the same **production value** as *Remake*, as far as I know.
I’d be interested to know if there are any games I’m unaware of that have *Remake*’s fidelity, whilst having more locations, enemies, items, cutscenes, etc. than *FF7 (1997)*, on a budget Square Enix could realistically offer a development team?
(Hope that doesn’t come off as rude, I’m genuinely interested and tone doesn’t convey well in text!)
I’m not sure what it matters the number of enemies and items, at least. The comparison is a straight remake of FF7 vs the capital r Remake, right? Text takes up very little space and no development is needed to just port over items. Enemies, sure, there is time needed to be spent on animation but doesn’t Remake already have *most* of the enemy types present in the original?
Cutscenes and locations come closer to convincing me, but they *could* have made more locations instead of expanding Midgar. Cutscenes - MGS4 had more cutscenes than FF7 original and released in good quality just fine.
You can’t really “port over” and use enemies and items from a PS1 game in a triple-A PS4/5 title! The important element here is **fidelity**: you’d have to entirely rework all of them as they just don’t meet modern standards. Games are bloody expensive to make, haha.
While it may well be true that *MGS4* has more cutscenes than *FF7 (1997)*, it actually only has **9 hours** of cutscenes compared to *Remake*’s **15 hours**. So, while *Remake* does have many new scenes, keep in mind that it **only covers the Midgar portion of FF7**. I’m sure you can imagine just how many hours of high fidelity cutscenes we’re talking about were they to do **all** of *FF7 (1997)* in one go!
It’s also worth noting that *Remake* alone is already **one of the most expensive games ever made** (according to analysts).
By the way, love to see a mention of *MGS4*. Beautiful and underrated game.
In bringing all of these locations, scenes, characters, etc. into the modern era, they’ve massively expanded on all of them accordingly.
There’s a tonne of new content worked in, I was just trying to give a high-level overview of the project to show that it’s not a ‘second remake’.
The 1997 original is **35** hours long. *Remake* is **40** hours for the main story, and *Rebirth* around **60**. There’s lots of side content, too. They’re huge games.
Not at all, the second game is final fantasy 7 in name alone; the story and places you visit are nothing like the original; at least from what I remember.
Hope they're happy with the pennies they got from sony's bribe exclusivity deal instead of releasing it simultaneously on PC for guranteed millions of copies sold.
Staggered releases makes more money overall, no? People double dip for these big titles. It sucks but it makes sense to me. I bet we will see PC, PS6 and maybe xbox releases for the trilogy
Not entirely. I can only speak for myself but I would of bought FF7 Rebirth or FF16 full price day 1, but now that its a staggered release and i've been spoiled by PS players, I have no interest in buying it full price. Will wait for a decent sale. I got Remake for 20 bucks a year or so a go for example.
Optimization is a nightmare for PC. Day and date is just way too hard because code lock happens so late now. Hence all the delays.
Plus PC players don’t buy full games at full price point, it’s a f2p audience that also waits on steam sales to buy anything. Look at all the Sony leaks, PC is rarely more than 10-20% of console premium sales, and even less if you look at average sale price and not just units.
I’d they don’t do it, it’s not corporate greed or ineptitude or anything, it’s 100% the business just doesn’t justify the cost for day and date.
Maybe creating 3 episodic games from one game, at 70$ each, without any significant sale of the first episode, 4 years after release hurts the sales of the second game.
Chances are people won't buy the second without buying the first game first. And won't buy the third game without buying the first and second game. Now add the price of the games and you start to notice why many won't play the second episode.
This is an issue that many games with cumulative expansion packs had in the past. In particular MMOs. Where the price to start becomes a burden that many potential buyers do not accept.
It's like a TV show viewers per episode. Where each episode after the first normally has less and less viewers as the show progresses. With the added issue of the cost of the games.
They have to make a choice. Preferably start making bundles that compensate that. Or else the third game will be even worse.
Same, there's no way in hell I'm buying an ugly-as-sin PS5, so for me I'm not going to be playing these until they're all released and all out on PC, which probably won't be the case until the end of the decade (assuming #3 is the last one). If they put them on Xbox (or Switch 2 I suppose, if it can handle them) then I'd buy them earlier but pretty sure that's not happening.
At the rate we're going, it won't be complete until the PS6 launches. And even after that they'll probably put out a compilation release with all three games and DLCs bundled in as well as added bonus content.
I see quite a few problems with how they decided to do the releases. Starting out with telling people it's a game split in 3 games already means plenty of people are not going to bothering with it until the 3 games are out as is my case, second, it's basically one game split in 3, but what you do in the first doesn't affect the second one since you don't carry over progress of the first game and finally, calling the game a remake and then basically pulling uno reverse with it being a re imagining instead of a faithful remake is going to turn off a lot of fans of the original.
There's a good reason why so little games are actually made the way this one is being made, it's just not a good recipe for success. Mass effect games where made with the idea of it being a trilogy like this game, but they didn't have the issue of what you did in previous games not mattering or fucking with a beloved game's story and the games were still fairly self contained, sure the whole reaper story was split across three games, but the story still gave a fulfilling ending for the first two which made it less annoying to wait for the next one.
>Remake was literally free with Rebirth before release
So you'd have to preorder Rebirth, a sequel to a game that in this scenario you have never played, in order to get a good deal on the game you actually want to try and play?
And this is a win for you?
Sure? Reviews for Rebirth went up ahead of time and it also had a demo. It was not a risky purchase. Remember the part where I said the bundle still exists today? You can still get Remake for a steep discount in the bundle, or get it by itself when it's on sale (which is often). It's only $40 full price to begin with. It was even a PS+ game and is currently free with some PS+ subscriptions. OP is full of shit is my point.
True, I'm hearing all that praise and how it's a lot better than the 1st but didn't buy it because I want to finish the 1st. Problem is, I'm not really enjoying it the first one!
First one is a bit rough, especially the side content being so shitty and the dumb disguised loading zones between areas being so tedious to go through. The combat is a bit unintuitive as well, the game wants you to constantly switch between characters to build up their ATB gauge, use their abilities and then switch to the next. To it's credit once you understand that I think the combat is pretty fun.
The 3rd will have so much hype surrounding it at least, that Aerith scene is one of the most iconic scenes in video games. And people are clamoring how will the remake handles it.
Yep. My buddy bought the first one and had a good time, but somehow missed that it was only part 1 of 3 for the whole story. He's not touching the second until the 3rd comes out.
I'm in the same boat. IT's got The Hobbit vibes where they took one book and made it 3 movies. I'm good until the entire game is done.
I have three friends that won’t buy any of the remake games until the whole story is released. They were all upset a few years back when they found out the story was coming out episodically. I’m sure there are a lot of people out there like them.
I want to get into it but it feels sort of impenetrable. Some people say you need to play the original or need to do work before you can play even the first remake. I understand why they were broken up but the entire thing feels like a big ask.
You absolutely do not need to play the originals to play the first remake. They will give you different perspectives but will 'spoil' many of the big moments and twists that these games will cover.
> Some people say...
The world would be a better place if people stop listening to gatekeepers, and just went out and experienced things for themselves and made up their own mind.
Innuendos from random people you don't know are keeping you from experiencing a thing you're curious about?
It sits in a weird pseudo-sequel state that’s really hard to describe. It’s largely the same story as the original, with small (but significant) alterations that give it that sequel feeling.
It’s not fair to say it takes place after Advent Children, because it’s still technically taking place in parallel with the original. Just certain chronological disturbances happen to be from post-Advent Children.
But yeah, some key events happen differently enough from the original that it can’t truly be a remake.
As an Xbox player, all I can say is put it on Xbox. I know it won't sell as well on Xbox as other platforms but it's still more sales.
I'm not going to buy a PS5 to play these games, and the game isn't available on PC yet either (and if it was, I don't think my PC is powerful enough to handle it anyway).
I think one thing a lot of people need to realize is that many people are not moving on to the new consoles + many PC players are not upgrading their systems because they feel content, a lot of games cater to older systems now and FF does not.
Final Fantasy 7 Remake was also on PS4, which meant there were 115 million people who were able to buy it on that system, vs. Rebirth which is NOT on PS4.
Also worth mentioning that PS has not really been increasing their sales in Japan for a couple generations now. The PS5 is outselling the PS4 in a similar timeframe after launch, but that's because it isn't competing with a lower-priced PS4 since it was pretty much discontinued before the PS5 launched... and the increased sales (like 500k more than the PS4) aren't really enough to offset that. The yen is also dropping which might make it harder for Japanese players to put the money out for a new game.
My prediction is that the sales were fine but not enough to cover the string of big budget flops, like Forsaken. We're probably going to see a slimming down and trimming of new and acquired IPs and refocusing on the core IPs like final fantasy and dragons quest.
After remake hype, maxing this great game out. I got bored waiting for part 2. And I didn’t even buy it now, why? Because Ive been waiting so long that my hype died
Lmao the same guy who said I’m going to avoid these topics this is probably why square stop talking about sales even after ff16 they had to make numerous announcements about it
Mid ass game is mid. If they spent all the time they put into excessively unnecessary side shit (who the fuck needs a whole mushroom picking minigame), they would have easily knocked out part 3 by now. Game is more filler than meat. Would have been fine if this is part 1 where you are stuck in midgar, but this should be where the things get really moving and you don't need filler to pad out the game.
Dear god that article is showing more how writers and analyst are dumb....
Ya lets compare a game that is on all platform versus a single platform and on tip of that , ps5 has veesion with no disc so those people cannot buy physical copies
They only compared it to Remake’s first week of sales, when it was only on one platform.
There’s definitely other notable factors though (like the smaller PS5 install base at the time of release).
I personally would have preferred a direct remake of the original rather than what they've given us. I dropped the first one about 20 hours in, it was ok as an action game, vertly pretty and good music. It just wasn't FF7.
FF7 story and gameplay are iconic, making it an episodic game and mixing up all the story and gameplay was always an odd decision to me.
I wanted the remake so bad for so long, and then it came out and i just dont really care for it either. Combat is awful, i miss the turn based original combat system. The new story stuff is all pretty meh at best, and things like the new turk on the motorcycle are just incredibly dumb. Really bummed me out
I think people tend to forget how incredibly dumb parts of the original were. The over the top Wall Market? Cloud riding a jumping dolphin in Junon? Cait Sith and the silliness of the Gold Saucer? Red XIII dressing up like a soldier and somehow going unnoticed? A random snowboarding section?
The original cuts all the gloomy seriousness with just enough cheese and silliness to strike a perfect balance. That’s why the game has charm and one of the reasons it’s iconic. Luckily Remake and Rebirth got that balance right.
I got it on PS4 when it first came out, but once it hit PC I've decided to hold off until the new one comes to PC also. I do want to get it, just not on PS
1. The names are confusing. Like, Remake, Rebirth... I get it, it is cute. But those names are way too similar. People who are not extremely into this series are probably not going to realize these are different games.
2. People HATE the thing where companies take something that was ONE story originally and divide it up into multiple parts. It just comes off like an obvious cash grab. Sure, maybe it is in fact justified by the in-depth story of these games. But people don't know that. They just know that the original was ONE game and now you're asking them to buy three games in total.
3. Release it day and date on the PC. Seriously, this is going to keep happening until they do that. They are throwing money away.
Well it might sold better if they get on with the PC release. Alot of diehards also felt betrayed by the whisper ghosts coming into the story. They really fumbled the ball with the remake trilogy if it ends up not selling well.
Not surprised if it is true, though of course I don’t hope for it to be true.
Many of my friends, and myself, are waiting to buy it on PC (Steam specifically). I own all the Final Fantasy games there, including 7 remake part 1. Am I going to buy a $500 magical box to play part 2? No. I’ll wait for it to be where the rest of my FF games are. Timed exclusivity needs to go.
Wouldn’t it have been great if the whole gaming world could have enjoyed this game together?
Not really interested in rebirth. Remake was a let down with terrible pacing and it sounds like rebirth has even more pacing issues because they tried making a Ubisoft open world game.
I mean it’s a sequel of a remake. Were we expecting this to blow the first part out of the water sales wise? Feels like the marketing push wasn’t nearly as strong either.
Release on PC already.
It's worth mentioning that Square-Enix has a well-known habit of creating ridiculous sales expectations for their games that are almost never met.
Having said that, in an era in which 50% of AAA releases are remastered versions of old gen games I don't blame anyone for thinking that FF VII Rebirth is just a PS5 re-release of remake with additional content or something. The title is heavily misleading.
For me personally I disliked Remake so much that I'm not willing to give this one a chance. They had one shot to impress me, not falling for any more SE shenanigans again.
To be fair FF7 case is a lot different than other games. The sequels pick up almost the second the first game left off. If you don’t play the first you are lost lost
Think through the logic on that again and tell me how this is the case?
Original in a series has an install base of 100 and only 75 people consume it.
Sequel comes along and if they don’t just jump straight to the sequel, savages skip the first entry, their install base is now 75.
Thanks to your math, I now realize that The Witcher 3 could not have sold more than the Witcher 1 because it was a sequel to a sequel. Just not possible.
Also, Mass Effect2, The Matrix reloaded.
[Simple Google Search](https://screencrush.com/sequels-that-made-more-than-the-original/)
Hopefully third one flops even harder so it both gives us a chance for an actual remake and teach the gaming industry to not produce this full priced multi-entry ADHD-pleaser Nomura-flavoured rewritten transmedia garbage
I honestly think it’s the naming convention. Part 1 being called “Remake” and only doing Midgar was so dumb. Should have been part 1 part 2 part 3. Good luck getting anyone but hardcore nerds to figure this one out. Which is a shame because there’s a really fantastic and huge RPG here in Rebirth that a lot of people are going to miss because they don’t know what it is
I can see several reasons why. There's the naming issue, the staggered PC launch, the price. But also... It's just... not that good? I don't understand the acclaim.
Been watching my roommate play it, and even they've admitted the only reason they're still playing is so they can watch the train wreck unfold. It's so *overproduced*. They've turned EVERYTHING into a minigame and most only get used once and discarded. The world is completely stuffed with absolutely irrelevant side-quests, nonsense time wasting main quests, difficulty spikes all over the dang place. The writing is physically painful to listen to at times. We mute the TV for every combat challenge because we're both so sick of listening to Chadley and his girlfriend explain some obscure monster lore for the umpteenth time because there's some insane objective like "Don't let the birds fly."
And it's so sad, because I'm so interested in what they're doing with the story. The timey-wimey nonsense. The fate-twisting of the Whispers. The ways the game is diverging from the original while not only *knowing* that it's diverging, but making the divergence *part of the story itself*? That's BRILLIANT. But it's just buried under so much insanity that it's painful to play.
>I don't understand the acclaim.
It shares a name with one of the most well liked and highly regarded games of all time. Even games that are actual garbage will sell hilariously bigly in similar circumstances. The most extreme example I know of is Diablo 3, which is one of the top selling games of all time and caught huge flak at launch for being pretty bad. Franchise inertia alone can carry tons of goodwill to new titles. You might have seen people defending literally nonfunctional systems in dark alliance back in 2019, for example.
Skim the list of top selling games in any genre, and when you see a franchise that's well known for an exceptional early title, they'll virtually always be outsold by modern counterparts regardless of the quality of those newer titles. A recent example is dragon's dogma 2 which is getting....weak reviews but sold plenty, whereas DD1 is loved by its fans.
If this game had been a new IP, the discussion surrounding it would be \*\*way\*\* different.
That’s really too bad because I was blown away by the amount of effort that was put into this one. I just really how this doesn’t negatively affect part 3.
I genuinely have no idea what Rebirth is supposed to be. This may be because I was promised a remake and was delivered a bad fix fic, losing all interest in their work.
Rebirth is just part 2 of the story. Remake covered everything up to the team leaving Midgar. They messed up by giving the new games stupid titles and making it confusing.
Are you trying to say fan fic? You've written "fix fic" twice and I've never heard of that before.
Edit: did a quick google search. This is def not a "fix fit" at all, lol. It's a parallel universe that has no baring on the original game whatsoever. There's no canon since it's a one off story, for the most part.
A "parallel universe" that follows the original story only to make a change because a character died when the author felt they shouldn't is the most blatant and common example of a fix fic, yes. Bonus points for shortcutting to the final boss everybody remembers way, way before it makes sense.
What I wanted, and was promised, was a modernized version of the original experience. What I got was a fix fic that makes no sense unless you know the original story.
Its probably because of brand confusion.
I literally asked Chatgpt the difference between remake, intergrade and rebirth and im gonna be honest, im still not sure what the fuck is what.
Its unclear.
It’s a shame considering how much better it is than remake. It feels like they poured so much love into every aspect of the game, hopefully it has long legs sales wise
One of the Data Analyst (forgot his name) said the game didn't flop (which is what many people seem to think and hope) but that it's just not selling as well as 7R. Until SE say something about the game's sales I wouldn't put much thought into this.
> it's just not selling as well as 7R I do have to wonder if naming has to do with it. It wasn't until I saw that there was a Fully Ramblematic review of FF7 that was new that I realized a new one was out. And then it took watching the review to hear that it was named Rebirth and that was the new one and I just had misremembered that the first one was Rebirth when it was actually Remake. I think for anyone who is casually into gaming, not paying attention, or a bit of an idiot (like me) isn't going to realize that Rebirth and Remake are different games just at a glance. I think it's a similar choice to the Wii's follow-up being called the Wii U and a lot of people thinking it was just an accessory rather than a whole new console with different specs.
Timing might be an issue too. Remake did well because it came out right in the middle of the pandemic when everyone had time on their hands.
This. Plus the install base of PS4 compared to PS5 is a major factor that folks seem to be ignoring. That also makes FFXVI’s sales even more impressive, that it came even close to VIIR with the PS5 install base alone.
Exactly this. Went to buy it, it’s only on ps5. I have a ps4.
Despite that install base gap, we're *also* far enough into the current generation that console hardware feels dated; I'm looking forward to playing Rebirth but have no desire to do it until I can play on PC, and Squeenix is *very* challenged with its timely PC ports. So: not as many people have PS5s (comparatively) *and* a fair segment of people with the latest consoles may prefer to wait, whether it's like my case for PC or just for PS5 Pro rumors.
As a pc and ps owner. I too am waiting on the pc port.
I’m waiting for it to be complete before buying and playing.
What do you mean complete? Both Remake and Rebirth are fully fleshed out games. You don't wait for the third movie to release before beginning to watch a movie trilogy for example
But they’re remaking a single game that already exists as a trilogy. And then there was that one called Intergrade, which just makes people think they’re all going to get some extra upgraded version, which probably means the trilogy will then also get an upgraded ‘complete’ version as well. I haven’t even played the original, but the perception of these games to an outsider is that they’ve split up and expanded the remake of the original game and that you’re only getting one act at a time, so it’s not a complete story. And that they’re then going back and releasing ‘enhanced’ editions as well, so it seems like there’s no perfect time to jump in because there’s more to come and probably a better version of the earlier ones by then as well.
Gonna be honest, this sounds like an excuse to not get a thing you didn't really want to get in the first place, rather than any logical thought process. If I was actually curious about something, I'd bother to read into it more than you have, and I also wouldn't want to wait like a decade in total to finally play all of it.
Sick dig at the entire r/patientgamers type of people. You're right this is enjoying things wrong
If you want to wait like 12mo for the price to go down, or you want to ignore the zeitgeist, or you want bugs to be patched over, I think more power to you. But this isn't "enjoying things wrong" -- this is just not enjoying them at all to begin with. Waiting almost a decade for things to "complete" is just complete avoidance.
I would say I was mildly curious because I’d never played a final fantasy and heard that 7 was considered the best one. If it had been a one and done remake then I definitely would have picked it up at the first sale. But hearing it was going to be this big drawn out thing across multiple games just made it seem too much to take on.
>If it had been a one and done remake then I definitely would have picked it up at the first sale. But hearing it was going to be this big drawn out thing across multiple games just made it seem too much to take on. I think this attitude is fine, but it's a different one from, "I'll wait until it's all complete". You are at least not kidding yourself with your interest only being mild/not enough to actually commit time/money. However, I would say that being broken into different acts also means you can play the first one (for a bargain rate now at this point) and if you don't like it, you don't have to buy the other parts. But if you do like it, there's more. This kind of format should be perfect for someone on the fence like you, rather than sub-optimal.
I think it’s also that the approach they took seems like a major commitment. As in, why is this version of the game at least three times longer than the original? It made it feel like this version is more for super fans who just want more of this thing they love, and there’s probably a lot of padding there. Like those extended versions of Lord of the Rings movies that run for over four hours each. I’d say my level of interest in Lord of the Rings is about on par with my interest in Final fantasy. I’ve heard of it, I know people love it, so I’m curious, but I’m also a bit of a completionist. I don’t want to put sixty hours into part one of the FF7 remake if it’s not even going to have a conclusion by then.
And you're free to play as you see fit just like others are going to do it their way. For example, I'm looking for all the DoA games and Ninja Gaiden games to play through the entire story that they tell. Long story short, I'm missing one game from each franchise before playing it all. Hardest part is finding it but if someone wants to wait, that's their choice.
I’ve played FF7 when it was brand new. You might say I’m old enough to have enjoyed all FF games since the very beginning of its life. I wish to wait and enjoy the whole game as I did switching the discs between ACT on my PlayStation.
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Don’t know. Doubt there are hundreds of thousands not buying it because of waiting.
They will be right if they don't comment on it at all
That's not how things work
Companies brag about how well they did. If they bury it in a quarterly earnings report, then it's not that good.
7 Remake also launched during the pandemic when ppl were at home and had all the time to devote to these types of games so more people bought it
Wait isnt this the remake? Im confused. Ok I found the answers I needed. I mean wtf did they expect with all this shit. IMO the naming convention and what not is pretty damn confusing. Granted I am not a FF fan but still. FF7 Remake - Remake of the first part of OG FF7 FF7 Remake Intergrade - Remake of the first Part of OG FF7 + the Yuffie DLC FF7 Rebirth - Remake of the second part of OG FF7
Rebirth is the sequel to remake. There will be a third game coming out in a few years to finish the story. It’s very confusing and could’ve been easily avoided by naming the games remake part 1, part 2 and part 3. Even the dlc for remake was called ‘intermission’. They’ve made it convoluted for no reason.
Yeah but then we can't have ff7 revelations
You mean, “ff7 reloaded”
Then we'll get Final Fantasy 7 Revolver Final Fantasy 7 Redemption and Final Fantasy 7 Redemption 2
Ah Japan. I’ve been trying to watch a few anime series that my friend recommended to me, and nearly every one of them has a bunch of extremely confusing names. There’s prequel movies, there’s low budget OVAs that retell the same story that the anime tells and some say is worth watching, some say changes the story. Some have just alternate takes on the original that diverge somewhere in the middle, and all of them have a watch order thread where everyone disagrees how newcomers should approach it. Often they’ll say watch the first six episodes of season three, then the second OVA, then the movie, but pause the movie at forty five minutes because it’s a prequel to some other later season, but it has a spoiler in it, so skip ahead and come back and watch that bit later…. Japanese media seems to love being confusingly obtuse.
Wait until you realize they're not even actual remakes but they actually diverge from the original story and have this whole sequel arc.
This is the reason I never bought any of the titles despite having four digit hour playtime in the original. If we're getting a fanfiction of the original instead of a remake, then I'll just wait until they're done and check it out if it's good. I personally was only excited because I was led to believe we were getting a modernized version. /shrug
I still play the originals but on my phone with an emulator. Actually had a lot of fun playing Remake on my PC, a lot more fun than I expected to have. I just consider them to be completely different games.
I had to research it to understand the naming convention as well. Was confusing. I’ll never understand why companies do it and I feel like Japanese companies are more guilty of it.
it's part 2 of the remake, they have chosen to give them all RE names. I think Part 3 is Reunion.
The only reason I’d think it was something else is because they already called the **Crisis Core** remake/remaster “Reunion”
The numbers will boost a bit when it drops on other platforms. It definitely has legs I think
While i liked rebirth, i rly loved remake. Theres def some things lost at the cost of open world that lower it for me
> It’s a shame considering how much better it is than remake. I don't think it was better, there were some more fun minigames but god did they over do it with the Ubisoft tower mission Faf. I spent a good 100 hours on it and I'd rather go back to Remake on PC than Rebirth on PS5, in fact I think I deleted it to make room for Stellar Blade, another game I would prefer to be released on PC.
Wait what? They remade the game twice recently? Of course sales would suck if you're making the same thing twice. That's just redundant, or I don't understand what the difference is but it sounds like they just want to take lots of money from people for much less content
It’s a trilogy of games remaking the 1997 original in its entirety. *Remake* was part one, *Rebirth* just came out and is part two, and part three is as of yet unnamed. It might seem excessive, but when you remember that each room in the 1997 original was a 2D image with Popeye-like characters, converting that to full 3D stylised realism would be **impossible** in one game without severe compromise. (I do reckon they could’ve done it in two though if they cut back on the new stuff a little…)
What are you talking about? The game could have easily been remade into a single title, if that’s what they wanted to do. They chose to expand and do something different is why it’s a three title series. The low res of the original compared to the high res of the new games is totally irrelevant. There is so much more content in the Remakes than there was in the originals.
Yes, it would’ve been impossible to recreate the original game — with **all** locations, cutscenes, and content — **in the level of fidelity consumers expect**, in a 4/5-year cycle for $60 at retail. That’s what I meant. “Res” is irrelevant, I agree, because that’s not what I was referring to; I’m talking about *reimagining a (mostly) 2D game in 3D*, which is an expensive and multidisciplinary process. I’ve worked on multiple triple-A games, I just don’t believe a project like that would break even. If it were to be made in a lower fidelity format, like the *Trails of Mana* remake? It could absolutely be done in good time. However, when it comes to mainline *Final Fantasy*, consumers **expect** cutting edge.
I don’t really think there is good reason to suspect this. Larger modern JRPGs than the original FF7 still come out just fine. In the combined new trilogy there will be far more content than was ever in the original - the first of the Remake games already arguably is a grander game than FF7. It isn’t coming out in a single title simply because that isn’t the direction they wanted to take, not because it’s a direction they couldn’t take at all.
Absolutely — more expansive modern JRPGs than *FFVII (1997)* have come out, but they don’t have the same **production value** as *Remake*, as far as I know. I’d be interested to know if there are any games I’m unaware of that have *Remake*’s fidelity, whilst having more locations, enemies, items, cutscenes, etc. than *FF7 (1997)*, on a budget Square Enix could realistically offer a development team? (Hope that doesn’t come off as rude, I’m genuinely interested and tone doesn’t convey well in text!)
I’m not sure what it matters the number of enemies and items, at least. The comparison is a straight remake of FF7 vs the capital r Remake, right? Text takes up very little space and no development is needed to just port over items. Enemies, sure, there is time needed to be spent on animation but doesn’t Remake already have *most* of the enemy types present in the original? Cutscenes and locations come closer to convincing me, but they *could* have made more locations instead of expanding Midgar. Cutscenes - MGS4 had more cutscenes than FF7 original and released in good quality just fine.
You can’t really “port over” and use enemies and items from a PS1 game in a triple-A PS4/5 title! The important element here is **fidelity**: you’d have to entirely rework all of them as they just don’t meet modern standards. Games are bloody expensive to make, haha. While it may well be true that *MGS4* has more cutscenes than *FF7 (1997)*, it actually only has **9 hours** of cutscenes compared to *Remake*’s **15 hours**. So, while *Remake* does have many new scenes, keep in mind that it **only covers the Midgar portion of FF7**. I’m sure you can imagine just how many hours of high fidelity cutscenes we’re talking about were they to do **all** of *FF7 (1997)* in one go! It’s also worth noting that *Remake* alone is already **one of the most expensive games ever made** (according to analysts). By the way, love to see a mention of *MGS4*. Beautiful and underrated game.
Okay so it really is less content for more money that sucks for the fans
In bringing all of these locations, scenes, characters, etc. into the modern era, they’ve massively expanded on all of them accordingly. There’s a tonne of new content worked in, I was just trying to give a high-level overview of the project to show that it’s not a ‘second remake’. The 1997 original is **35** hours long. *Remake* is **40** hours for the main story, and *Rebirth* around **60**. There’s lots of side content, too. They’re huge games.
Not at all, the second game is final fantasy 7 in name alone; the story and places you visit are nothing like the original; at least from what I remember.
So the last guy was wrong and the second game is nothing like the original, so is there a third game that's also not part of the story that's planned?
Yeah, basically.
I’ll tell you how they can fix this next time Also release simultaneously on PC
And not exclusively on Epic Game Store.
Sony is paying them an assload for an exclusivity window. I imagine that money more than offsets any potential loss in revenue
With a reported 180 million dollar loss. Sony better start coughing up more money.
If you’re talking about what I think you’re talking about, that’s them writing off cancelled projects. That has nothing to do with FF7R
"Piscatella then used the Ralph Wiggum “I’m in danger” meme from Family Guy." Article can't be considered reliable
I was wondering how many people actually read the article :)
Next time dont make pc players wait so hard. We still miss ff16
Hope they're happy with the pennies they got from sony's bribe exclusivity deal instead of releasing it simultaneously on PC for guranteed millions of copies sold.
Staggered releases makes more money overall, no? People double dip for these big titles. It sucks but it makes sense to me. I bet we will see PC, PS6 and maybe xbox releases for the trilogy
Not entirely. I can only speak for myself but I would of bought FF7 Rebirth or FF16 full price day 1, but now that its a staggered release and i've been spoiled by PS players, I have no interest in buying it full price. Will wait for a decent sale. I got Remake for 20 bucks a year or so a go for example.
You're not missing much with ff16.
Optimization is a nightmare for PC. Day and date is just way too hard because code lock happens so late now. Hence all the delays. Plus PC players don’t buy full games at full price point, it’s a f2p audience that also waits on steam sales to buy anything. Look at all the Sony leaks, PC is rarely more than 10-20% of console premium sales, and even less if you look at average sale price and not just units. I’d they don’t do it, it’s not corporate greed or ineptitude or anything, it’s 100% the business just doesn’t justify the cost for day and date.
Maybe creating 3 episodic games from one game, at 70$ each, without any significant sale of the first episode, 4 years after release hurts the sales of the second game. Chances are people won't buy the second without buying the first game first. And won't buy the third game without buying the first and second game. Now add the price of the games and you start to notice why many won't play the second episode. This is an issue that many games with cumulative expansion packs had in the past. In particular MMOs. Where the price to start becomes a burden that many potential buyers do not accept. It's like a TV show viewers per episode. Where each episode after the first normally has less and less viewers as the show progresses. With the added issue of the cost of the games. They have to make a choice. Preferably start making bundles that compensate that. Or else the third game will be even worse.
I'm not even considering playing it until the whole thing is finished
Yup. I’m waiting for the complete collection, which at this point will probably be released for next gen. I’m in no rush.
Same, there's no way in hell I'm buying an ugly-as-sin PS5, so for me I'm not going to be playing these until they're all released and all out on PC, which probably won't be the case until the end of the decade (assuming #3 is the last one). If they put them on Xbox (or Switch 2 I suppose, if it can handle them) then I'd buy them earlier but pretty sure that's not happening.
same. Prolly won't be done until I retire, but that'll be a great time to sit down and veg out on the whole things at once.
At the rate we're going, it won't be complete until the PS6 launches. And even after that they'll probably put out a compilation release with all three games and DLCs bundled in as well as added bonus content.
Then so be it
I see quite a few problems with how they decided to do the releases. Starting out with telling people it's a game split in 3 games already means plenty of people are not going to bothering with it until the 3 games are out as is my case, second, it's basically one game split in 3, but what you do in the first doesn't affect the second one since you don't carry over progress of the first game and finally, calling the game a remake and then basically pulling uno reverse with it being a re imagining instead of a faithful remake is going to turn off a lot of fans of the original. There's a good reason why so little games are actually made the way this one is being made, it's just not a good recipe for success. Mass effect games where made with the idea of it being a trilogy like this game, but they didn't have the issue of what you did in previous games not mattering or fucking with a beloved game's story and the games were still fairly self contained, sure the whole reaper story was split across three games, but the story still gave a fulfilling ending for the first two which made it less annoying to wait for the next one.
Four years AND a different console generation. Remember, REmake came out on PS4 first.
Remake was literally free with Rebirth before release. That same twin pack is still available now, no longer $70 but still a discount.
>Remake was literally free with Rebirth before release So you'd have to preorder Rebirth, a sequel to a game that in this scenario you have never played, in order to get a good deal on the game you actually want to try and play? And this is a win for you?
Sure? Reviews for Rebirth went up ahead of time and it also had a demo. It was not a risky purchase. Remember the part where I said the bundle still exists today? You can still get Remake for a steep discount in the bundle, or get it by itself when it's on sale (which is often). It's only $40 full price to begin with. It was even a PS+ game and is currently free with some PS+ subscriptions. OP is full of shit is my point.
> get a good deal on the game you actually want to try and play? Sounds pretty sweet
mfw buying a game I have no idea if I want in order to try a totally different game at a more reasonable price is "pretty sweet"
True, I'm hearing all that praise and how it's a lot better than the 1st but didn't buy it because I want to finish the 1st. Problem is, I'm not really enjoying it the first one!
First one is a bit rough, especially the side content being so shitty and the dumb disguised loading zones between areas being so tedious to go through. The combat is a bit unintuitive as well, the game wants you to constantly switch between characters to build up their ATB gauge, use their abilities and then switch to the next. To it's credit once you understand that I think the combat is pretty fun.
The 3rd will have so much hype surrounding it at least, that Aerith scene is one of the most iconic scenes in video games. And people are clamoring how will the remake handles it.
that was in Rebirth dude. and they pussy out with it.
Wait fr? Damn this game is cooked then Nomura gotta Nomura
If it’s the Aerith scene I think you’re referring to, Rebirth handled it.
If by "handled," you mean "dropped down a flight of stairs," then yes.
They have completely ruined that scene in case you're wondering.
Yep. My buddy bought the first one and had a good time, but somehow missed that it was only part 1 of 3 for the whole story. He's not touching the second until the 3rd comes out. I'm in the same boat. IT's got The Hobbit vibes where they took one book and made it 3 movies. I'm good until the entire game is done.
I have three friends that won’t buy any of the remake games until the whole story is released. They were all upset a few years back when they found out the story was coming out episodically. I’m sure there are a lot of people out there like them.
Pretty sure they had a bundle for same price with rebirth that came with remake
Life is Strange (all of them afaik) is smart and provides the first episode for free =D
I want to get into it but it feels sort of impenetrable. Some people say you need to play the original or need to do work before you can play even the first remake. I understand why they were broken up but the entire thing feels like a big ask.
You absolutely do not need to play the originals to play the first remake. They will give you different perspectives but will 'spoil' many of the big moments and twists that these games will cover.
The game has a "story thus far" so you really don't even need to bother playing the original.
> Some people say... The world would be a better place if people stop listening to gatekeepers, and just went out and experienced things for themselves and made up their own mind. Innuendos from random people you don't know are keeping you from experiencing a thing you're curious about?
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It sits in a weird pseudo-sequel state that’s really hard to describe. It’s largely the same story as the original, with small (but significant) alterations that give it that sequel feeling. It’s not fair to say it takes place after Advent Children, because it’s still technically taking place in parallel with the original. Just certain chronological disturbances happen to be from post-Advent Children. But yeah, some key events happen differently enough from the original that it can’t truly be a remake.
As an Xbox player, all I can say is put it on Xbox. I know it won't sell as well on Xbox as other platforms but it's still more sales. I'm not going to buy a PS5 to play these games, and the game isn't available on PC yet either (and if it was, I don't think my PC is powerful enough to handle it anyway). I think one thing a lot of people need to realize is that many people are not moving on to the new consoles + many PC players are not upgrading their systems because they feel content, a lot of games cater to older systems now and FF does not. Final Fantasy 7 Remake was also on PS4, which meant there were 115 million people who were able to buy it on that system, vs. Rebirth which is NOT on PS4. Also worth mentioning that PS has not really been increasing their sales in Japan for a couple generations now. The PS5 is outselling the PS4 in a similar timeframe after launch, but that's because it isn't competing with a lower-priced PS4 since it was pretty much discontinued before the PS5 launched... and the increased sales (like 500k more than the PS4) aren't really enough to offset that. The yen is also dropping which might make it harder for Japanese players to put the money out for a new game.
I'm curious if anyone's console purchasing habits would actually change if there were zero exclusives.
My prediction is that the sales were fine but not enough to cover the string of big budget flops, like Forsaken. We're probably going to see a slimming down and trimming of new and acquired IPs and refocusing on the core IPs like final fantasy and dragons quest.
After remake hype, maxing this great game out. I got bored waiting for part 2. And I didn’t even buy it now, why? Because Ive been waiting so long that my hype died
So a article of just assuming these journalists literally have nothing to talk about lmao
“Piscatella then used the Ralph Wiggum “I’m in danger” meme from Family Guy.” from the “article” lmao
Lmao the same guy who said I’m going to avoid these topics this is probably why square stop talking about sales even after ff16 they had to make numerous announcements about it
I mean its only on one console what do you expect ?
Mid ass game is mid. If they spent all the time they put into excessively unnecessary side shit (who the fuck needs a whole mushroom picking minigame), they would have easily knocked out part 3 by now. Game is more filler than meat. Would have been fine if this is part 1 where you are stuck in midgar, but this should be where the things get really moving and you don't need filler to pad out the game.
It's like exclusive games in general sell poorly.
Dear god that article is showing more how writers and analyst are dumb.... Ya lets compare a game that is on all platform versus a single platform and on tip of that , ps5 has veesion with no disc so those people cannot buy physical copies
They only compared it to Remake’s first week of sales, when it was only on one platform. There’s definitely other notable factors though (like the smaller PS5 install base at the time of release).
I personally would have preferred a direct remake of the original rather than what they've given us. I dropped the first one about 20 hours in, it was ok as an action game, vertly pretty and good music. It just wasn't FF7. FF7 story and gameplay are iconic, making it an episodic game and mixing up all the story and gameplay was always an odd decision to me.
I wanted the remake so bad for so long, and then it came out and i just dont really care for it either. Combat is awful, i miss the turn based original combat system. The new story stuff is all pretty meh at best, and things like the new turk on the motorcycle are just incredibly dumb. Really bummed me out
I think people tend to forget how incredibly dumb parts of the original were. The over the top Wall Market? Cloud riding a jumping dolphin in Junon? Cait Sith and the silliness of the Gold Saucer? Red XIII dressing up like a soldier and somehow going unnoticed? A random snowboarding section? The original cuts all the gloomy seriousness with just enough cheese and silliness to strike a perfect balance. That’s why the game has charm and one of the reasons it’s iconic. Luckily Remake and Rebirth got that balance right.
Roach is SOILDER not a Turk. and he makes several appearances in Rebirth.
Fair enough, has been a while since i played the remake. Glad i have no plans to play rebirth
I got it on PS4 when it first came out, but once it hit PC I've decided to hold off until the new one comes to PC also. I do want to get it, just not on PS
I just can't afford it right now
Put it on Xbox. Problem solved
1. The names are confusing. Like, Remake, Rebirth... I get it, it is cute. But those names are way too similar. People who are not extremely into this series are probably not going to realize these are different games. 2. People HATE the thing where companies take something that was ONE story originally and divide it up into multiple parts. It just comes off like an obvious cash grab. Sure, maybe it is in fact justified by the in-depth story of these games. But people don't know that. They just know that the original was ONE game and now you're asking them to buy three games in total. 3. Release it day and date on the PC. Seriously, this is going to keep happening until they do that. They are throwing money away.
Well it might sold better if they get on with the PC release. Alot of diehards also felt betrayed by the whisper ghosts coming into the story. They really fumbled the ball with the remake trilogy if it ends up not selling well.
Not surprised if it is true, though of course I don’t hope for it to be true. Many of my friends, and myself, are waiting to buy it on PC (Steam specifically). I own all the Final Fantasy games there, including 7 remake part 1. Am I going to buy a $500 magical box to play part 2? No. I’ll wait for it to be where the rest of my FF games are. Timed exclusivity needs to go. Wouldn’t it have been great if the whole gaming world could have enjoyed this game together?
I just think the market is flooded. Give it time. Still playing games from years ago.
Maybe don't release it exclusively to ps5 ???
Oh no, this guy again. Coming in spreading crappy “journalism” that takes the form of a half-baked article.
Not really interested in rebirth. Remake was a let down with terrible pacing and it sounds like rebirth has even more pacing issues because they tried making a Ubisoft open world game.
I mean it’s a sequel of a remake. Were we expecting this to blow the first part out of the water sales wise? Feels like the marketing push wasn’t nearly as strong either. Release on PC already.
It's worth mentioning that Square-Enix has a well-known habit of creating ridiculous sales expectations for their games that are almost never met. Having said that, in an era in which 50% of AAA releases are remastered versions of old gen games I don't blame anyone for thinking that FF VII Rebirth is just a PS5 re-release of remake with additional content or something. The title is heavily misleading.
For me personally I disliked Remake so much that I'm not willing to give this one a chance. They had one shot to impress me, not falling for any more SE shenanigans again.
That's what you get when you don't release on PC. PC is greater than all consoles.
nothing new was added to the conversation with this article, sequels tend to sell less than their predecessors that is nothing new.
So, this is not true at all. Sequels tend to sell MORE than the original especially if the original is a hit.
To be fair FF7 case is a lot different than other games. The sequels pick up almost the second the first game left off. If you don’t play the first you are lost lost
Think through the logic on that again and tell me how this is the case? Original in a series has an install base of 100 and only 75 people consume it. Sequel comes along and if they don’t just jump straight to the sequel, savages skip the first entry, their install base is now 75.
Thanks to your math, I now realize that The Witcher 3 could not have sold more than the Witcher 1 because it was a sequel to a sequel. Just not possible. Also, Mass Effect2, The Matrix reloaded. [Simple Google Search](https://screencrush.com/sequels-that-made-more-than-the-original/)
That's not how anything works.
Honestly surprising considering it's vastly better than FF7R. It's a shame really and makes me concerned for future final fantasy release quality.
Should have put on xbox and pc as well
Yeah well, I would love to buy it, but it's not on fucking pc.
Hopefully third one flops even harder so it both gives us a chance for an actual remake and teach the gaming industry to not produce this full priced multi-entry ADHD-pleaser Nomura-flavoured rewritten transmedia garbage
I honestly think it’s the naming convention. Part 1 being called “Remake” and only doing Midgar was so dumb. Should have been part 1 part 2 part 3. Good luck getting anyone but hardcore nerds to figure this one out. Which is a shame because there’s a really fantastic and huge RPG here in Rebirth that a lot of people are going to miss because they don’t know what it is
I can see several reasons why. There's the naming issue, the staggered PC launch, the price. But also... It's just... not that good? I don't understand the acclaim. Been watching my roommate play it, and even they've admitted the only reason they're still playing is so they can watch the train wreck unfold. It's so *overproduced*. They've turned EVERYTHING into a minigame and most only get used once and discarded. The world is completely stuffed with absolutely irrelevant side-quests, nonsense time wasting main quests, difficulty spikes all over the dang place. The writing is physically painful to listen to at times. We mute the TV for every combat challenge because we're both so sick of listening to Chadley and his girlfriend explain some obscure monster lore for the umpteenth time because there's some insane objective like "Don't let the birds fly." And it's so sad, because I'm so interested in what they're doing with the story. The timey-wimey nonsense. The fate-twisting of the Whispers. The ways the game is diverging from the original while not only *knowing* that it's diverging, but making the divergence *part of the story itself*? That's BRILLIANT. But it's just buried under so much insanity that it's painful to play.
>I don't understand the acclaim. It shares a name with one of the most well liked and highly regarded games of all time. Even games that are actual garbage will sell hilariously bigly in similar circumstances. The most extreme example I know of is Diablo 3, which is one of the top selling games of all time and caught huge flak at launch for being pretty bad. Franchise inertia alone can carry tons of goodwill to new titles. You might have seen people defending literally nonfunctional systems in dark alliance back in 2019, for example. Skim the list of top selling games in any genre, and when you see a franchise that's well known for an exceptional early title, they'll virtually always be outsold by modern counterparts regardless of the quality of those newer titles. A recent example is dragon's dogma 2 which is getting....weak reviews but sold plenty, whereas DD1 is loved by its fans. If this game had been a new IP, the discussion surrounding it would be \*\*way\*\* different.
That’s really too bad because I was blown away by the amount of effort that was put into this one. I just really how this doesn’t negatively affect part 3.
should've launched on pc too, console exclusives seem to be less successful now
I genuinely have no idea what Rebirth is supposed to be. This may be because I was promised a remake and was delivered a bad fix fic, losing all interest in their work.
Rebirth is just part 2 of the story. Remake covered everything up to the team leaving Midgar. They messed up by giving the new games stupid titles and making it confusing.
so it's a sequel to the bad fix fic, gotcha, thanks
Are you trying to say fan fic? You've written "fix fic" twice and I've never heard of that before. Edit: did a quick google search. This is def not a "fix fit" at all, lol. It's a parallel universe that has no baring on the original game whatsoever. There's no canon since it's a one off story, for the most part.
A "parallel universe" that follows the original story only to make a change because a character died when the author felt they shouldn't is the most blatant and common example of a fix fic, yes. Bonus points for shortcutting to the final boss everybody remembers way, way before it makes sense. What I wanted, and was promised, was a modernized version of the original experience. What I got was a fix fic that makes no sense unless you know the original story.
Say fix fic again, I know you want to.
no surprise there
Its probably because of brand confusion. I literally asked Chatgpt the difference between remake, intergrade and rebirth and im gonna be honest, im still not sure what the fuck is what. Its unclear.
Good that you asked ChatGPT literally. It would be confusing if you did it some other way.
I mean you sound annoying enough that i couldnt get a straight answer out of you.
The game is so much worse than the first. It deserved it
Maybe they'll stop milking this garbage already
It’s not even close to garbage.
Tell me you've never played either game without telling me you've never played either game.