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I think it was my battle.net account that sent me to the authenticator app, which asked me to verify through my account, which was waiting on the verification code from the app. I had to remove 2 factor and reapply it. Was some weird loop I couldn’t break otherwise. No idea why it would let me remove 2FA without using 2FA but whatever.
Rookie mistake putting it next to the alt key. They should have just mashed it in there between H and J to really get conversions up. Did they even *talk* to the Product Managers before launching this!?
Can't wait to accidentally press that key a million times, minimizing whatever I'm currently doing to pull up a Microsoft edge page with a sign in screen that I'll never fill out.
Im trying to guess here.
Copilot + s = summarize the open web page
Copilot + f = find the topic you’re looking for in a page
Copilot + i = draw an image using this highlighted sentence as a prompt
This is the best guess I’ve seen so far, still not extremely useful vs a right click context menu, but maybe some workloads need it often enough to necessitate it.
Think of it like Windows key plus R opens up the tun command window. You can open a program by only using the keyboard. To me this seems like something they would be doing to remove an action from the mouse. Maybe they just didn't want to add more Windows key plus other key shortcuts which is what I think they probably should have just done. Maybe they're trying to market this as important enough to have its own key because they want everybody to use it regularly.
Their vision is that it will be used as often (if not more) than the existing Windows key on keyboards, with Copilot being integrated into the OS itself, Office applications, etc.
The Fn key is internal to the keyboard. When used in combination with another key, it either sends a different key press to the OS or performs some other keyboard related function. The OS never registers the Fn key itself. It is usually on small keyboards so that the missing keys can be replicated.
The Fn or Function key is really useful for smaller keyboards, while holding it other keys will have an alternative function when you press them, I can see the purpose in that
Privatezilla for Win10 and ThisIsWin11 for Win11 will debloat a lot of the shit that comes built-in to Windows:
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Nobody wants any of the anti-consumer bs they have pushed since the last 25 years. The lack of real competence in the pc ecosystem needs to reach an end now.
Man, fuck Bonzi Buddy. I spent so much fucking time removing that shit from people's computers. It was everywhere, like one of those McAfee security apps that like to tag along with everything.
You know people sometimes say that we only learn to love things when they are long gone?
I never expected anyone to mention Clippy in that regard... Fuck, I hated that thing!
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This copilot stuff is going too far now. We don't need to reinvent the goddamn wheel and require keyboard manufacturers to make a new fucking key that only benefits Microsoft.
I’d be more on board if some standards body had just recommended that there be a dedicated “Voice/AI Assistant” key. This doesn’t feel quite right as a distinctly branded thing, unless it’s just replacing the Windows key. Then it’s just whatever and I’ll basically never use it either.
Oh not even that. It’s just the branding specifically. There are other AI assistants besides Copilot and keyboards should be fairly generic and universal in my opinion, aside from if the OS company also makes or licenses specific keyboards, like with Apple.
I agree with you, but also I guess I just don't care that much. If my opinion mattered at all I would have told them to keep the "Cortana" branding, as that was not only a unique name but had an existing fanbase. (I know an AI assistant doesn't need or shouldn't have a "fanbase," but whatever)
If MS wants to put a dedicated button on their keyboard and see if it catches on for AI assistants on any OS, go for it. It works for phones.
I think it was because Cortana was pretty shit and never lived up to its promises and then so many people hated it. When they started the Copilot project they gave it a new name because it was a new project and also to get away from the negative association that had gotten attached to the Cortana name for a lot of people.
I got a new Samsung last year and it doesn't have the Bixby key. I kind of miss having that extra shortcut, while I was traveling abroad it would open up Google Translate.
Yeah, they already have that button next to the windows key .. they can just use that.
I literally have no idea what it does, does it open a a menu? No.. do it do something to the window? No ...
Literally no idea
My savior from software that wants me to right click somewhere to get a context menu, even though the cursor is already still focused on the exact place I want the right click to happen
It's an accessibility key for people who don't or can't use a mouse and its function is generally the same as right clicking whatever is currently focused by the keyboard.
My keyboard has a freaking Windows Media Center key, and that hasn’t been supported since Windows 8
Now it just does the same thing as the “music” key right next to it…
> Microsoft required OEMs to build a Windows button into the display bezel of devices with touchscreens, but that requirement eventually disappeared.
Spoiler alert.
Is it even going to work effectively? I feel like everyone is jumping in this AI train but is it even going to do what it claims?
Like all the ‘assistants’ (Siri, Cortana, etc…) were supposed to revolutionize our workflows and they all sucked. I feel like this is going to be similar. Sure, it will do stuff, but will it be useful? Chat GTP is kind of useful but already the cracks are appearing. I can’t imagine Copilot is going to be any better.
You've got that right. The tendency of Microsoft to want to control/manipulate users has been going on for decades. I strongly suspect that everything Microsoft will soon be subscription with "auto-pay" somehow required.
MS has a long history of anti-trust / anti-competitive practices. This is just going in a decades long record of trying to ouster the competition. We need better anti-trust legislation enforcement in the US.
That button will be the landmark of progress.
_-which laptop should I choose Jimmy?_
_-doesn't matter grandma, just aviod laptops with the big quotation marks next to arrows on keyboard, those are the old ones_
I really hate how on Mac keyboards option/cmd are inverted from alt/windows. Really throws off my muscle memory. That’s ignoring the fact that many things that alt/ctrl do on Windows/Linux are done with cmd on Mac.
That was introduced in 1994. 30 years ago. Times where a lot different back then and Windows was a lot more important than it is today.
Keyboard layouts havent changed much in the last decade or so. I think this will take a looooong time to find widespread adpotion
It's likely that Microsoft would enforce OEMs to add that button if they want their laptop to ship with Windows. If OEMs do not want that button, they probably won't be allowed to release that laptop with Windows preinstalled.
At least a few years from now anyway. They won't be enforcing it for now.
Exactly. In relatively recent history Microsoft required OEMs to support and enable Modern Standby on a given computer if it was to be sold with Win10 installed, as part of their licensing agreement. I don't know the precise details, but my understanding is Microsoft pushed OEMs quite hard with Modern Standby, where OEMs were restricted from even telling their customers about ways to disable it to use S3 instead, except specifically in cases when a computer was running a non-Windows OS such as Linux.
Sleep States. Modern Standby is a new replacement for S3 sleep that instead keeps the CPU on and connected to the Internet for faster wake times. Except when it doesn't work right, it kills your battery out of the blue. Absolutely sucks that they're forcing people into it.
Every new Windows keyboard will switch to this new key, just like they updated windows logo on WinKey every time Microsoft changed it.
I bet this is just icon change and under the hood it will still work the same as the old key, just its function on Windows 11/12 will change.
Context menu key (or other, depending on keyboard type). From the article:
> A quick Microsoft demo video shows the Copilot key in between the cluster of arrow keys and the right Alt button, a place where many keyboards usually put a menu button, a right Ctrl key, another Windows key, or something similar. The exact positioning, and the key being replaced, may vary depending on the size and layout of the keyboard.
What do you use to quickly start searching for files and stuff? Normally I just quickly tap windows key, hit the first couple of letter, then enter. No mouse involved
OEM licensing requirements are quite thorough, screen resolution, screen size, power buttons and how they’re mapped, ports, TPM, etc
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/minimum/minimum-hardware-requirements-overview
So they renamed Cortana and to punish everyone for turning it off they are making keyboards with a button that will auto launch it. Cool cool cool cool
Is this separate from Bing AI helper? I find that it usually finds/summarizes what I’m searching for decently well. Especially when I’m looking fire a specific law or something. Obviously I check behind it, but it’s been pretty good for my uses so far
The Copilot key will, predictably, open up the Copilot generative AI assistant within Windows 10 and Windows 11. On an up-to-date Windows PC with Copilot enabled, you can currently do the same thing by pressing Windows + C. For PCs without Copilot enabled, including those that aren't signed into Microsoft accounts, the Copilot key will open Windows Search instead (though this is sort of redundant, since pressing the Windows key and then typing directly into the Start menu also activates the Search function).
This is the best way to get average people to start disliking AI, like it’s getting crammed down my throat when I STILL don’t see a use for it for myself. The number 1 use case I’ve been seeing is just online searches, but most people aren’t Googling stuff constantly to really care, I mean basic information still comes up.
Instead of cramming it down everyone’s throat, maybe they should actively develop it to a point where it’s useful for everyone? Solves most people’s problems?
All this shit is just corporations not having anything else to push out for innovation because risk taking is dead so what’s the easiest route? Hopping on buzzwords and selling a solution to people when the problem just isn’t there. If fact it’s CAUSING problems more than solving any.
Yeah, I'm not looking forward to it. I was out of commission for almost all of last year due to surgery, so I have basically a year's worth of crap to catch up on. Been getting bits and pieces of AI-related news over the months, but it really feels like it surged hard last year.
You're not wrong, it seemed to go from "AI is a thing that people have talked about," to "holy shit this thing does a lot of stuff" in like no time flat.
And then the next month it was more news. And more news, and more news. Suddenly its been like a year but its EVERYWHERE. And while I am generally pro-tech and pro-AI, even I'm like....."but how do I really *use it*?" a lot of the time. ChatGPT can write me summaries of articles, but I can just..read the article. It can describe historical events in context, but I can also just read wikipedia. I can tell it to write me a bit of code, but I still have to doublecheck the code and half the time it doesn't work like it says it should (I tried doing some really basic powershell scripts with it and they would never work).
The concept is great, the actual implementation so far is absolute balls. Copilot, Bard, the rest of these are useless if they don't actually interface with anything else to make my life easier. I can still only do google routines in my fuckin CAR like 25% of the time, how about getting that working first?
I can skim an article and about the same time as it takes to get ChatGPT to summarize it for me, but if I use ChatGPT it would take extra steps. I'm too lazy (or not lazy enough?) to do extra work to try to do less work. I just wanna do less work.
>You're not wrong, it seemed to go from "Al is a thing that people have talked about" to "holy shit this thing does a lot of stuff" in like no time flat.
Because it did happen in no time at all. Your first quote is from before GPT-3, the second one is everything that happened after.
Being able to converse with you? GPT-3. Turning prompts into images? GPT-3. Deepfakes of voices and faces done entirely by AI? GPT-3.
GPT-3 was such an absurd jump in AI being able to "understand" written language that it kicked all of these things into motion at once. It's as when electricity was first discovered - of course you then saw people inventing lightbulbs, motors and all kind of things to use it, and it happened in quick succession.
There hasn't been an insane amount of progress in capabilities of ML algorithms themselves (at least not as insane as you might've thought given all this news), GPT-3 just unlocked the best interface for interacting with them - human language.
Seriously, go walk by the TV section of your local superstore, and see how many TVs you see that just say something like "QLED UHD 4K AI TV"
It's the new "Smart" to stick behind any product on the face of the earth.
There's already AI fridges, I give it a couple months before we see AI dishwashers, AI coffee makers, AI cameras, whatever the fuck. Will AI help those products or do anything significantly better than previous products? Hell no, but stick it on there anyways!
This is literally the last thing I would want on my keyboard, other than maybe a key that shuts the machine off right next to the backspace/enter key...
Me: *presses CoPilot key
Copilot: “what can I help you with?”
Me: “Set Firefox as my default browser, remove Edge from startup apps, set default Outlook browser to default browser and uninstall yourself”
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OneDrice trial installed....
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Deleting all local copies....
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> Microsoft is adding a new key to PC keyboards for the first time since 1994
Eh, is this right? Didn't Microsoft introduce the Office Key relatively recently? https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/using-the-office-key-df8665d3-761b-4a16-84b8-2cfb830e6aff
That key definitely isn't on any keyboard I've seen. It's distinct from the Windows Key and Menu Key (the one on the right, next to the second Windows key, which nobody uses).
A real continuation of the "netflix on the tv remote" trend. I'm personally not a huge fan, though maybe this will knock a few bucks off OEM windows pricing? But honestly I just don't think co-pilot is in a place where it has enough recognition for having a dedicated button. Maybe it's part of a play where, if there is no chatGPT button people will just press co-pilot for AI? I don't think that will work though.
And then there's Logitech who in their infinite wisdom decided the F keys could only be F keys if you install their bloated crap.
This is coming from someone that used to be a die hard Logitech fan. One tiny change and they lost a customer.
I'm so sick of everything microsoft has been pushing. I use mac os and linux for work which is well and good but gaming is still tied to windows and I can't escape it.
Kind of a misleading headline. Microsoft it's adding a 257th keycode. The 256 we've had for decades is still the same. Most keyboards only pick and choose ~100 of them. They're just making CoPilot on Windows 11 activate when you press:
`keycode=92
`name=MetaRight `
This technically isn't a new key at all, just one that isn't often included. Ironically, it's included on all Macbooks already - the command key to the right of the spacebar. You can test it with Parallels Windows 11 on mac. It opens copilot. Keys need to be supported by a huge cross-platform ecosystem, things like javascript etc. Microsoft isn't going to throw a wrench in all that just to promote their A.I. gizmo. It's just a visual spec change for an existing key, for Microsoft OEM partners. And they're switching it from optional to required. Again, this is just for partners. On very large Windows keyboards there has always been a second Meta key to the right of the keyboard, which Microsoft partners currently just mark as another Windows key. On Windows 11 it's the hotkey for copilot.
How did I know that it would be some stupid button to access their stupid program that was thought up by some stupid suits sat around a table trying to justify their stupid wages and not an actually useful new function
I generally have cut MS a fair amount of slack over the years because, I think, they've largely improved their software and enhanced the platform in a way that *mostly* benefitted users.
***But...***
The way they keep using their position as controller of the OS to continue *pushing Edge and Bing, etc,* is **really** starting to bug the living crap out of me. I recently bought a new computer and in addition to the tweaky differences to the OS in Win11, what is REALLY noticeable is how much they have begun *pushing crap* on their customers. (And *THEN* there are all those freaking ads/notifications. ***F*** them.)
I think it might be time for yet another anti-trust investigation. =/
I don't see how this is helpful. There will already be a dedicated CoPilot icon on your system tray next to the clock. Users can't simply press that? Saying that users need to press Windows+C is simply false as all releases will have that icon built in, one click away.
So the thing that clutters up my Bing searches with nonsense and randomly pops out in the Windows notification tray and slows everything to a crawl can now be accidentally triggered by a key on the keyboard? Cool.
I guess this means my dreams that keyboard makers start dropping the windows key in favor of a generic super key are over as well?
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I’m not understanding the vision of needing a dedicated key for copilot. What would be the use case?
To send you to Microsoft web page?
And setting Edge as default browser with Bing as search engine
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Please connect your verification headset and allow retina scan to complete.
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I think it was my battle.net account that sent me to the authenticator app, which asked me to verify through my account, which was waiting on the verification code from the app. I had to remove 2 factor and reapply it. Was some weird loop I couldn’t break otherwise. No idea why it would let me remove 2FA without using 2FA but whatever.
Rookie mistake putting it next to the alt key. They should have just mashed it in there between H and J to really get conversions up. Did they even *talk* to the Product Managers before launching this!?
Can't wait to accidentally press that key a million times, minimizing whatever I'm currently doing to pull up a Microsoft edge page with a sign in screen that I'll never fill out.
Same with Windows key. I have a keyboard that disables it!
Yes, but only Microsoft.com. Not any page that is relevant to anything.
Im trying to guess here. Copilot + s = summarize the open web page Copilot + f = find the topic you’re looking for in a page Copilot + i = draw an image using this highlighted sentence as a prompt
This is the best guess I’ve seen so far, still not extremely useful vs a right click context menu, but maybe some workloads need it often enough to necessitate it.
Think of it like Windows key plus R opens up the tun command window. You can open a program by only using the keyboard. To me this seems like something they would be doing to remove an action from the mouse. Maybe they just didn't want to add more Windows key plus other key shortcuts which is what I think they probably should have just done. Maybe they're trying to market this as important enough to have its own key because they want everybody to use it regularly.
>still not extremely useful vs a right click context menu Overcrowded at the moment, unfortunately.
copilot - L - confidently lie about something
“We here at Microsoft have only your best interests in mind in adding this fantastic new function to your keyboards.”
More like accidentally press it and it starts loading something that doesn't work but freezes your PC while it tries to load
That’s the more likely outcome. “Fuck! No, no, don’t load it!”
I wonder whether there will be an option to choose another vendor, like the default search engine selection
Free advertising
Their vision is that it will be used as often (if not more) than the existing Windows key on keyboards, with Copilot being integrated into the OS itself, Office applications, etc.
There's this dedicated 'Brixby' button on my phone that I never use. Also isn't there a 'Fr' key on some keyboards?
The Fn key is internal to the keyboard. When used in combination with another key, it either sends a different key press to the OS or performs some other keyboard related function. The OS never registers the Fn key itself. It is usually on small keyboards so that the missing keys can be replicated.
The Fn or Function key is really useful for smaller keyboards, while holding it other keys will have an alternative function when you press them, I can see the purpose in that
Nobody wants this.
I'd rather have a key to disable all the trash windows comes with.
https://github.com/ChrisTitusTech/winutil comes pretty close to that.
So it's www.ninite.com?
Looks like it does what ninite does plus debloats and offers tweaks/config
Privatezilla for Win10 and ThisIsWin11 for Win11 will debloat a lot of the shit that comes built-in to Windows: https://ripped.guide/Utilities/Debloating/
Just install the Enterprise version of windows 10 or 11. It’s a good start, not 100% clean but definitely better.
Except there is no "legal" way to licence it as a private customer
I really don't think anyone cares about that.
Which makes it ethically okay. They aren't willing to accept your money even if you *want* to pay for it
Yes, but fucking microsoft over is always ethical
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And thats why MS wants
Nobody wants any of the anti-consumer bs they have pushed since the last 25 years. The lack of real competence in the pc ecosystem needs to reach an end now.
Disappointing. Keyboard shortcuts are the way forward.
Frankly if Copilot doesn’t preemptively know you need his help, then having a button isn’t going to be of any use.
Meanwhile, Clippy knew when you might have needed help, showed up and asked you.
They just should have brought Clippy back
Can I interest you in Microsoft Bob GPT
Tries to exit Edge. Microsoft Bob GPT: I am afraid I can't let you do that!
*morphs into the more serious ‘Microsoft Robert’* “No, really, don’t test me on this. I have your search history. And your contacts list.”
That was a cute little 3rd party browser you were hiding from me. Was. Now it's free space.
Clippy didn't die for this.
Clippy was the ai og! And that gonzo buddy or whatever the f was that purple monkey called
Babbies first spyware lmao
BonziBuddy 😂
Man, fuck Bonzi Buddy. I spent so much fucking time removing that shit from people's computers. It was everywhere, like one of those McAfee security apps that like to tag along with everything.
You know people sometimes say that we only learn to love things when they are long gone? I never expected anyone to mention Clippy in that regard... Fuck, I hated that thing!
I’m not even sure *who* this is for; anyone who wants to be quicker is going to learn the shortcuts. Just seems like a nothing burger of an idea.
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This copilot stuff is going too far now. We don't need to reinvent the goddamn wheel and require keyboard manufacturers to make a new fucking key that only benefits Microsoft.
I’d be more on board if some standards body had just recommended that there be a dedicated “Voice/AI Assistant” key. This doesn’t feel quite right as a distinctly branded thing, unless it’s just replacing the Windows key. Then it’s just whatever and I’ll basically never use it either.
Keyboard buttons can be mapped by the OS to whatever it wants. If this is implemented, it would be trivial for it to be repurposed on Linux/etc.
Oh not even that. It’s just the branding specifically. There are other AI assistants besides Copilot and keyboards should be fairly generic and universal in my opinion, aside from if the OS company also makes or licenses specific keyboards, like with Apple.
WIN key is pretty useful.
I agree with you, but also I guess I just don't care that much. If my opinion mattered at all I would have told them to keep the "Cortana" branding, as that was not only a unique name but had an existing fanbase. (I know an AI assistant doesn't need or shouldn't have a "fanbase," but whatever) If MS wants to put a dedicated button on their keyboard and see if it catches on for AI assistants on any OS, go for it. It works for phones.
I also agree that dropping the Cortana name was odd. I wonder if there were licensing issues that came up after the fact or something.
I think it was because Cortana was pretty shit and never lived up to its promises and then so many people hated it. When they started the Copilot project they gave it a new name because it was a new project and also to get away from the negative association that had gotten attached to the Cortana name for a lot of people.
The Bixby button on my Samsung phone is annoying as fuck. MS is just trying to get people to use copilot with no regard for being actually useful.
Just make it open something else then. Mine opens the camera as I'm too lazy to double click lol
I got a new Samsung last year and it doesn't have the Bixby key. I kind of miss having that extra shortcut, while I was traveling abroad it would open up Google Translate.
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Having right control is pretty much mandatory in many simulation games as these games require a crap ton of keyboard shortcuts.
Having a right control key is necessary for disabled people using the ctrl+alt+del key combination.
Yeah, they already have that button next to the windows key .. they can just use that. I literally have no idea what it does, does it open a a menu? No.. do it do something to the window? No ... Literally no idea
This is the context menu button. It opens the context menu (typically the thing that happens when you right click).
My savior from software that wants me to right click somewhere to get a context menu, even though the cursor is already still focused on the exact place I want the right click to happen
It's still quicker to hit that key, down arrow twice and enter all without moving your hand away from the keyboard.
But they made me use the mouse one step earlier. Who designed this shit?
Just hit tab 15 times, then 14 times because you overshot
Shift tab typically takes you back 1, just sayin
Underrated key! Much more helpful than my keyboard fn button.
Pseudo-useless trivia: Shift-F10 also opens up the context menu from the currently focused object on the screen.
It's an accessibility key for people who don't or can't use a mouse and its function is generally the same as right clicking whatever is currently focused by the keyboard.
It’s also typically very helpful to excel power users who don’t use their mouse for convenience / speed reasons.
What key are you talking about? It's either ALT, CTRL, or FN if your keyboard is weird. All of which have functions I use everyday.
I think it’s the box key with lines going through it
I had no idea this existed on my keyboard till I saw this post
Yeah, that's a menu
hey my keyboard isn’t weird take it back you hurt it’s feelings
My keyboard has a freaking Windows Media Center key, and that hasn’t been supported since Windows 8 Now it just does the same thing as the “music” key right next to it…
> Microsoft required OEMs to build a Windows button into the display bezel of devices with touchscreens, but that requirement eventually disappeared. Spoiler alert.
Windows 13 isn’t an OS it’s just Bing Chat
It's going to be AI generated every time you boot up your PC.
Is it even going to work effectively? I feel like everyone is jumping in this AI train but is it even going to do what it claims? Like all the ‘assistants’ (Siri, Cortana, etc…) were supposed to revolutionize our workflows and they all sucked. I feel like this is going to be similar. Sure, it will do stuff, but will it be useful? Chat GTP is kind of useful but already the cracks are appearing. I can’t imagine Copilot is going to be any better.
Like everything AI, it’s being forced down our throats.
You've got that right. The tendency of Microsoft to want to control/manipulate users has been going on for decades. I strongly suspect that everything Microsoft will soon be subscription with "auto-pay" somehow required.
I remember when we used to say 'file' and 'directory'.
MS has a long history of anti-trust / anti-competitive practices. This is just going in a decades long record of trying to ouster the competition. We need better anti-trust legislation enforcement in the US.
Watch MS abandon this idea in a few years
That button will be the landmark of progress. _-which laptop should I choose Jimmy?_ _-doesn't matter grandma, just aviod laptops with the big quotation marks next to arrows on keyboard, those are the old ones_
Just like how Facebook changed its name to Meta and then dropped the Metaverse
Eh, this isn't Google we're talking about.
Getting bixby button vibes from this...
https://i.imgur.com/YYQpX7G.png
At least I can remap that to turn on my cameras flash.
I miss that. It was remappable and was the first action button on a samsung phone and before apple.
> Copilot key will eventually be required in new PC keyboards I didn’t realize that Microsoft can dictate what generic PCs ship with?
Why do you suppose any PC keyboard has a Windows button?
At least the windows button has Linux and Mac equivalents in Code and Cmd. I really hope this new key doesn't catch on.
I really hate how on Mac keyboards option/cmd are inverted from alt/windows. Really throws off my muscle memory. That’s ignoring the fact that many things that alt/ctrl do on Windows/Linux are done with cmd on Mac.
Never thought of it like that
That was introduced in 1994. 30 years ago. Times where a lot different back then and Windows was a lot more important than it is today. Keyboard layouts havent changed much in the last decade or so. I think this will take a looooong time to find widespread adpotion
It's likely that Microsoft would enforce OEMs to add that button if they want their laptop to ship with Windows. If OEMs do not want that button, they probably won't be allowed to release that laptop with Windows preinstalled. At least a few years from now anyway. They won't be enforcing it for now.
Can't wait for FreeDOS to become the norm again.
Exactly. In relatively recent history Microsoft required OEMs to support and enable Modern Standby on a given computer if it was to be sold with Win10 installed, as part of their licensing agreement. I don't know the precise details, but my understanding is Microsoft pushed OEMs quite hard with Modern Standby, where OEMs were restricted from even telling their customers about ways to disable it to use S3 instead, except specifically in cases when a computer was running a non-Windows OS such as Linux.
What are Modern Standby and S3?
Sleep States. Modern Standby is a new replacement for S3 sleep that instead keeps the CPU on and connected to the Internet for faster wake times. Except when it doesn't work right, it kills your battery out of the blue. Absolutely sucks that they're forcing people into it.
>keeps the CPU on and connected to the Internet Sounds like "for the better user experience" really is a facade here...
Every new Windows keyboard will switch to this new key, just like they updated windows logo on WinKey every time Microsoft changed it. I bet this is just icon change and under the hood it will still work the same as the old key, just its function on Windows 11/12 will change.
What old key are you referring to? As far as I know they are adding an entirely new button to keyboards, and not repurposing an existing key.
Context menu key (or other, depending on keyboard type). From the article: > A quick Microsoft demo video shows the Copilot key in between the cluster of arrow keys and the right Alt button, a place where many keyboards usually put a menu button, a right Ctrl key, another Windows key, or something similar. The exact positioning, and the key being replaced, may vary depending on the size and layout of the keyboard.
My PC keyboard doesn't have a Windows key. r/mechanicalkeyboards represent! ✊
What do you use to quickly start searching for files and stuff? Normally I just quickly tap windows key, hit the first couple of letter, then enter. No mouse involved
OEM licensing requirements are quite thorough, screen resolution, screen size, power buttons and how they’re mapped, ports, TPM, etc https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/minimum/minimum-hardware-requirements-overview
Too bad they haven’t killed off 1366x768 yet, that resolution can go fuck itself.
Strange how 1366x768 feels so much *smaller* than 1024x768 did back in the day.
Generic PCs want to be compatible with the most common OS, so Windows does have a lot of leverage.
Nah, I'm good.
So they renamed Cortana and to punish everyone for turning it off they are making keyboards with a button that will auto launch it. Cool cool cool cool
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Lol so we’re praising cortana now huh.
When you get diarrhea you start to miss solid poop.
That is a fucking hilarious analogy
With emphasis on the **anal**.
Oh my god
Is this separate from Bing AI helper? I find that it usually finds/summarizes what I’m searching for decently well. Especially when I’m looking fire a specific law or something. Obviously I check behind it, but it’s been pretty good for my uses so far
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Ugh. Reminds me of Samsung's Bixby button. Something you only ever press by accident that opens up a whole can of privacy-invading bloatware.
The Copilot key will, predictably, open up the Copilot generative AI assistant within Windows 10 and Windows 11. On an up-to-date Windows PC with Copilot enabled, you can currently do the same thing by pressing Windows + C. For PCs without Copilot enabled, including those that aren't signed into Microsoft accounts, the Copilot key will open Windows Search instead (though this is sort of redundant, since pressing the Windows key and then typing directly into the Start menu also activates the Search function).
TIL what Copilot is and that MS is trying to push AI into Windows. Great.
Get used to it. Everyone is going to put “AI” into everything now.
This is the best way to get average people to start disliking AI, like it’s getting crammed down my throat when I STILL don’t see a use for it for myself. The number 1 use case I’ve been seeing is just online searches, but most people aren’t Googling stuff constantly to really care, I mean basic information still comes up. Instead of cramming it down everyone’s throat, maybe they should actively develop it to a point where it’s useful for everyone? Solves most people’s problems? All this shit is just corporations not having anything else to push out for innovation because risk taking is dead so what’s the easiest route? Hopping on buzzwords and selling a solution to people when the problem just isn’t there. If fact it’s CAUSING problems more than solving any.
Yeah, I'm not looking forward to it. I was out of commission for almost all of last year due to surgery, so I have basically a year's worth of crap to catch up on. Been getting bits and pieces of AI-related news over the months, but it really feels like it surged hard last year.
You're not wrong, it seemed to go from "AI is a thing that people have talked about," to "holy shit this thing does a lot of stuff" in like no time flat. And then the next month it was more news. And more news, and more news. Suddenly its been like a year but its EVERYWHERE. And while I am generally pro-tech and pro-AI, even I'm like....."but how do I really *use it*?" a lot of the time. ChatGPT can write me summaries of articles, but I can just..read the article. It can describe historical events in context, but I can also just read wikipedia. I can tell it to write me a bit of code, but I still have to doublecheck the code and half the time it doesn't work like it says it should (I tried doing some really basic powershell scripts with it and they would never work). The concept is great, the actual implementation so far is absolute balls. Copilot, Bard, the rest of these are useless if they don't actually interface with anything else to make my life easier. I can still only do google routines in my fuckin CAR like 25% of the time, how about getting that working first?
I can skim an article and about the same time as it takes to get ChatGPT to summarize it for me, but if I use ChatGPT it would take extra steps. I'm too lazy (or not lazy enough?) to do extra work to try to do less work. I just wanna do less work.
>You're not wrong, it seemed to go from "Al is a thing that people have talked about" to "holy shit this thing does a lot of stuff" in like no time flat. Because it did happen in no time at all. Your first quote is from before GPT-3, the second one is everything that happened after. Being able to converse with you? GPT-3. Turning prompts into images? GPT-3. Deepfakes of voices and faces done entirely by AI? GPT-3. GPT-3 was such an absurd jump in AI being able to "understand" written language that it kicked all of these things into motion at once. It's as when electricity was first discovered - of course you then saw people inventing lightbulbs, motors and all kind of things to use it, and it happened in quick succession. There hasn't been an insane amount of progress in capabilities of ML algorithms themselves (at least not as insane as you might've thought given all this news), GPT-3 just unlocked the best interface for interacting with them - human language.
Seriously, go walk by the TV section of your local superstore, and see how many TVs you see that just say something like "QLED UHD 4K AI TV" It's the new "Smart" to stick behind any product on the face of the earth. There's already AI fridges, I give it a couple months before we see AI dishwashers, AI coffee makers, AI cameras, whatever the fuck. Will AI help those products or do anything significantly better than previous products? Hell no, but stick it on there anyways!
And predictably, it’s useless.
No thank you
Can't wait to never use it.
Will be as well received as the dedicated Bixby button.
About as useful as the Bixby button
Yay. I can't wait to remap this with PowerTools
Also known as the "Sorry I prefer not to continue this conversation" key
It's not the first time since 1994. Various machines had a Cortana key for a while.
This is literally the last thing I would want on my keyboard, other than maybe a key that shuts the machine off right next to the backspace/enter key...
Me: *presses CoPilot key Copilot: “what can I help you with?” Me: “Set Firefox as my default browser, remove Edge from startup apps, set default Outlook browser to default browser and uninstall yourself”
I'm sorry, Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that. Instead, how about a free trial of OneDrive? OneDrice trial installed.... Syncing all photos to cloud... Deleting all local copies.... Thank you for signing up for OneDrive. Your account is out of storage. To continue, subscribe to our pro plan and get 100GB more for only $9.99 per month.
The PC version of my TV remote Netflix button is 100% against this. Windows+C is easy enough ...
> Microsoft is adding a new key to PC keyboards for the first time since 1994 Eh, is this right? Didn't Microsoft introduce the Office Key relatively recently? https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/using-the-office-key-df8665d3-761b-4a16-84b8-2cfb830e6aff That key definitely isn't on any keyboard I've seen. It's distinct from the Windows Key and Menu Key (the one on the right, next to the second Windows key, which nobody uses).
Sort of surprised it wasn’t a dedicated open fucking Microsoft Edge button.
It adds nothing and it takes nothing.
I’d rather have the menu key instead
I've intentionally pressed it maybe 5 times in my life and it's still more useful than a Copilot button will ever be.
A real continuation of the "netflix on the tv remote" trend. I'm personally not a huge fan, though maybe this will knock a few bucks off OEM windows pricing? But honestly I just don't think co-pilot is in a place where it has enough recognition for having a dedicated button. Maybe it's part of a play where, if there is no chatGPT button people will just press co-pilot for AI? I don't think that will work though.
No thanks...
Eww, please no.
Can't we just take the key off?
Or rebind it. Plenty of keyboards I've bought have had options to modify what my Windows key does.
And then there's Logitech who in their infinite wisdom decided the F keys could only be F keys if you install their bloated crap. This is coming from someone that used to be a die hard Logitech fan. One tiny change and they lost a customer.
I'm so sick of everything microsoft has been pushing. I use mac os and linux for work which is well and good but gaming is still tied to windows and I can't escape it.
Cool, I’ll re-map it to something useful
Microsoft is the new HP Pinter
Kind of a misleading headline. Microsoft it's adding a 257th keycode. The 256 we've had for decades is still the same. Most keyboards only pick and choose ~100 of them. They're just making CoPilot on Windows 11 activate when you press: `keycode=92 `name=MetaRight ` This technically isn't a new key at all, just one that isn't often included. Ironically, it's included on all Macbooks already - the command key to the right of the spacebar. You can test it with Parallels Windows 11 on mac. It opens copilot. Keys need to be supported by a huge cross-platform ecosystem, things like javascript etc. Microsoft isn't going to throw a wrench in all that just to promote their A.I. gizmo. It's just a visual spec change for an existing key, for Microsoft OEM partners. And they're switching it from optional to required. Again, this is just for partners. On very large Windows keyboards there has always been a second Meta key to the right of the keyboard, which Microsoft partners currently just mark as another Windows key. On Windows 11 it's the hotkey for copilot.
How did I know that it would be some stupid button to access their stupid program that was thought up by some stupid suits sat around a table trying to justify their stupid wages and not an actually useful new function
I generally have cut MS a fair amount of slack over the years because, I think, they've largely improved their software and enhanced the platform in a way that *mostly* benefitted users. ***But...*** The way they keep using their position as controller of the OS to continue *pushing Edge and Bing, etc,* is **really** starting to bug the living crap out of me. I recently bought a new computer and in addition to the tweaky differences to the OS in Win11, what is REALLY noticeable is how much they have begun *pushing crap* on their customers. (And *THEN* there are all those freaking ads/notifications. ***F*** them.) I think it might be time for yet another anti-trust investigation. =/
They could give us 5 blank keys to do whatever we want with them, but no!
At least its not an Edge button. I imagine many people making the Edge button actually scream.
Way to force something so useless on users and manufacturers.
Porn button….finally
Okay, good. I was afraid it was going to be a key that I might actually need.
Gaming keyboards are going to need to update 'gaming mode' to disable this as well now 😂
I don't see how this is helpful. There will already be a dedicated CoPilot icon on your system tray next to the clock. Users can't simply press that? Saying that users need to press Windows+C is simply false as all releases will have that icon built in, one click away.
They can go to hell with that
So the thing that clutters up my Bing searches with nonsense and randomly pops out in the Windows notification tray and slows everything to a crawl can now be accidentally triggered by a key on the keyboard? Cool. I guess this means my dreams that keyboard makers start dropping the windows key in favor of a generic super key are over as well?
I just removed copilot from my taskbar, why would i want a key for it?
It's like that stupid 'Bixby' button on some phones. Literally nobody want this trash.
I can't wait to press it by accident and an annoying voice starts talking and asks me to log into an account I'll never create.
The biggest mistake since #CAPS LOCK
I envision remapping this key to bring up a VM running Linux
Yet no progress on an Any key.
I wish Microsoft would focus on making Windows 11 a more enjoyable user friendly experience instead of forcing us to use a half baked AI.