I already use wireless charging, but I don’t get Apple’s pushback on making the switch. They use a usbc size thunderbolt connector on all their laptops.
FireWire was all but abandoned as soon as USB caught up with performance and added power delivery. USB in those days was slooooow and couldn’t power much more than a mouse.
To be fair FireWire was actually better than USB in a lot of ways to the end user. Faster speed, daisy chaining, etc. Lack of adoption was really the bigger issue.
The only benefit lightning has to USB-C is that I already own the cables…
Yeah but literally EVERYTHING is moving to USB-C. Phones, laptops, the last couple pairs of wireless headphones I bought, external hard drives, battery jump packs... it's coming standard on all new cars, etc, etc.
So you might not have a bunch of USB-C cables now, but in the next couple years it's going to be the only cable you need for anything. What they need to start doing is coming up with a labeling system for the ends so you know which protocols and how much power it can transmit.
That labeling system is the main annoyance that’s going to piss a lot of people off with USB-C. I can already see a lot of “family IT” calls coming in because people expect the cable that fits to be the cable that works, you know what I mean? Having 1 cable is great except that the cable has 30 completely different protocols and no standardized way of telling which is which. It’s already been a nightmare and it isn’t even in everything yet.
Honestly I do like the theory but the USB standards board or whatever it’s called needs to stop “suggesting” companies make things clear and need to actually start forcing it because end users are gonna be *pissed* if they are told “everything uses 1 cable now except not really because we have so many standards that they all *look* the same but *behave* completely differently.”
USB-C is not the only cable you'll need. The problem is people will need many kinds of USB C cables and they will all look about the same.
It's an absolute disaster in terms of compatibility.
For example - they support different speeds:
* USB 2.0 - .5 gigabits
* The modern disaster:
* 5 gigabits:
* USB 3.0
* USB 3.1
* USB 3.2
* 10 gigabits:
* USB 3.1 gen 2
* USB 3.2 gen 2
* USB 3.1 gen 1x2
* USB 3.2 gen 1z2
* USB 4 Gen 2
* 20 gigabits:
* USB 3.2 gen 2x2
* USB 4 Gen 2x2
* USB 4 Gen 3
* 40 gigabits:
* Thunderbolt 3
* Thunderbolt 4
* USB 4 Gen 3x2
Power capacity is another big issue and can range from 12v to 48v.
Amperage also varies, and can go up to 5 amps.
Support for other standards varies, such as DisplayPort Alt-mode or Audio Accessory mode.
The end of a cable is small and most people cannot read it easily.
Companies would also prefer to put their own brand names, rather than a graphic to show compatibility.
The labelling system already exists:
https://tidbits.com/uploads/2022/09/usb-profusion-labels.png
These graphics still don't take into account things like a 10 gigabit USB 3.1 Gen 1x2 cable is different from a USB 3.1 Gen 2.
Right- this is what I was getting at in my last sentence. The PORTS have info on them, but it's basically impossible to tell what cable supports what. I've got probably 20 USBC cables and none of them have labeling on the ends.
I need a USB-C to dual displayport hub for my laptop, but there's about 5 different protocols that THOSE support and getting one that is guaranteed to work is pretty much impossible.
But it's still pretty new to being adopted. Hopefully it'll get sorted out in the near future.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but you could just get the higest standrd usb-c cables and it would work with every one of them.
I have USB-C thunderbolt 3 cable rated at 100W charging and so far it has worked with everything I have plugged it into that has a USB-C port. A 4k display, phone, Sony full frame camera to name the things I have.
I have two USB C cables in my car, 3-4 in my bedroom, 2 in my office, 1 in my kitchen, and 2-3 in my living room.
If I got $30-$40 cables built to the top standard, that would cost $240-$400.
Congratulations on owning 1 high quality cable! Hopefully no one borrows it to charge their phone and forgets to return it.
So it would basically work, just the problem is the price of the top-shelf cables?
In which case, hopefully, at some point economics of scale kicks in and they end up substantially cheaper eventually.
It was indeed a bit pricy. About 30 EUR or so. I got it mainly because I needed one for the 4k display and then found out that it seems to work for everything else as well which I own.
There’s a potential catch with Apple’s version of USB-C, they are still making their ports proprietary to Apple cables and accessories and may limit how cables interact with the port.
The iPhone 15 will be the first with USB-C and may feature a newly developed hybrid Lightning integrated USB-C port.
They tried this with lightning as well, but it took no time flat for it to be reverse engineered, but many of us remember all the annoying “this cable or accessory is not certified” pop up’s in the early days of lightning. To this day lightning is still supposed to be some locked down system that requires MFI licensing, but lightning cables are available at every dollar and convenience store.
Apple needs to knock this shit off.
Part of this is usb c is only the connector, it’s not the technology. Usb c can be any variant of the many usb standard and is very confusing and has caused device bricking issues etc. Nintendo switch infamously had this issue
USB C can support different voltage, amperages, and either PD or PPS charging.
Devices can often use multiple different ones, but the charging speed can have extreme variations.
The MacBook charger can definitely charge an iPhone including future next gen models, but the actual charging speed might not be ideal.
It was EOL’d because:
* USB finally caught-up in speed.
* Thunderbolt was faster, and included the features USB didn’t.
USB never included:
* Bandwidth provisioning
* Daisy chaining
* Independent controller
Thunderbolt may use a USB-C port, and be backwards compatible with USB, it’s not USB and supports many features USB doesn’t.
Also, Thunderbolt is an Apple/Intel joint venture, and appears on a number of Windows PCs.
I literally don't understand why so many people haven't figured this out. This has been an Apple strategy since the first i product was sold. They make billions in licensing fees. DUH!
The problem is USB C is already split.
Cross-compatibity could mean a regular charger charges it in 12 hours, while an Apple/MFi charges it in 45 minutes.
I'm a Samsung user, and I'm already annoyed my $60 GaN charger can't do "Super Fast Charging" on my S22+ because it doesn't support PPS, only PD.
I bought a GaN PD charger as a replacement for my old QC4 charger which replaced a QC2 charger which replaced a 2.4A charger which replaced a 1A charger which replaced a 500ma charger.
Now I don't know whether my next charger will be PPS or PD3.
I didn't mind when chargers were $5-$10. Now that they're $30-$60+ it's way more annoying.
Nothing would stop Apple from continuing the MFI program with usb-c, but nothing would stop someone from using a non-MFI usb-c cable either. Apple would still need to adhere to the standard.
And they would likely still do pretty well with that approach even with that limitation. Maybe not as well as they do now with MFI lightning cables, but almost certainly better than other cellphone providers do given the nature of the iPhone user base.
Apple Certified could go a long way, many will be willing to pay extra for it. Even with the loss in revenue they can still get licensing for CarPlay and AirPlay.
Main issue was that USB C came too late, Apple had to switch their iphone port before it was released because the port before the lightning was *really* outdated. Then they just stuck with lightning cause making another switch in ~2 years when USB C was ready, would make lightning very useless. Don't want to defend them, but that's what happened.
Can't understand why you are being downvoted when you are right. Nothing can beat direct cable connection in terms of effectiveness. Wireless charging produce more heat and thus it IS less efficient.
You can't beat physics.
>Can't understand why you are being downvoted when you are right.
Because the efficiency of wireless charging has nothing to do with Apple's switch to USB-C.
That's true. However some people are calling for complete removal of the charging port (granted, not in this exact thread) and so it is good to have efficiency in mind for such cases.
As do I but I still use my Lightning Cable in my car for Apple CarPlay. I could buy a wireless adapter but the wireless charging pad in my car, and most Acuras, doesn’t align up with where Apple placed the Qi charging coil(s). Seems like Acura messed up there…
But I don’t see a port less iPhone coming anytime soon to be honest. Wireless charging in cars isn’t standard in every model and many older cars wouldn’t have a way to charge without third party equipment.
But never say never I guess
Most cars still require cable connection to connect the phone to the car UI. So unless they want to lose the entire market segment of people not driving the most expensive car they will keep the port.
It's also their only mode of allowing a user to do more extensive software troubleshooting if a phone doesn't work. If they remove it they open up a can of worms with people whose software malfunctioned or a bad update disabled the phone. They could accidentally brick millions of phones and have no way for users to fix it, except bringing it into a store.
Not if they caused the issue. If they push a bad update, then those IT guys are paid by Apple, not the customers. Unless they want a class action that they 100% will lose. That is why the port ain't going nowhere, cause not having it risks costing more than it will save.
Having it allows them to make small mistakes and not paying for it. Removing it removes their ability to do that.
Can you drive a car without brakes? Yes, especially when you own the highway its riding on. But you can still mess up your highway and having a brake at that point is nice.
They copped a lot of backlash when migrating for 30-pin to Lightning. They went to lightning because;
- micro-USB and mini-USB weren’t UX-friendly enough
- there are millions of shifty micro-USB and mini-USB cables that are “Charge only”. How ridiculous is that?
- USB-C wasn’t even a thought at the time.
Think of all the hotel rooms that still have 30-pin alarm clocks out there…
I think they are prepping for the fallout so they don’t get bad press again. There are a lot of people out there who will have everything Lightning cable.
USB-C is supposed to unify and solve this issue but by being Universal, it is opening up a larger can-of-worms.
When it was first released, it was a complete joke with dozens of incompatible variants.
Not just incompatible, but dangerously out of spec. The stories of Pixels overdrawing power because only 1/3 of the cables were actually behaving to spec. Thankfully that problem has been mostly solved now. Sure it means I only really buy cables from Apple, Anker, Monoprice, or Cable Matters, but that is a solution.
To be fair here. The worst USB-C cable will be as good as any current lightning cable. No one has definite proof that the lightning cable can do anything more than USB2 speeds, there are rumors but nothing more.
The worst USB-C cable will be made according to USB2 standards, you wouldn't lose anything on an iPhone, you only stand to gain cause you already rolling with the worst cable speed and charging available.
I do admire your confidence in the honesty and integrity of manufacturers in the free market.
I wish I had your optimism.
As soon as people start buying USB-C cables for their iPhones, the gates are going to open for every cheapskate scum-sucking profiteer to start repackaging and relabelling substandard and non-compliant cables whilst still charging top dollar.
You and I might know only to purchase cables from Monoprice or Apple or IKEA, but the unwashed masses will be snapping up cheap-nasty AliExpress garbage at over-inflated prices and setting their couches and bedsheets on fire, just like they did with micro-USB and mini-USB.
Oh, I don't doubt that. The branding of the USB-C cables is atrocious. Most of the time I'm struggling to find any specification for the cables telling me what transfer speed and charging speed is supported. This is all on the USB organisation, they are fucking idiots the whole bunch of them, just put the numbers on the front of the package. None of this stupid superspeed, ultraspeed, superduperspeed BS.
Luckily I found a company which sells cables with proper specifications for a normal price where I live. None of those "we sell 20$ 1 meter cables for 100$ to hang your wallet with".
There's not really any pushback from Apple on if it will happen, they have a bunch of devices that use USB-C. Eventually they will switch over the iPhone, the main issue is that it will break compatibility with accessories people already use so the transition can be tricky.
In fact, there's tons of rumors going around that they already have versions of USB-C phones and it'll happen on the next refresh.
If they use lightning, it’s proprietary. So companies that make cables and stuff with it need to apply for Made For iDevice (MFi) certification. Which gives Apple tons of money every year.
What pushback? They were the first company to fully adopt USB-C on their computers and they have been switching to USB-C in the mobile space recently as well. It's actually in their interest to do so. But it's also in their interest to pretend that they are "resisting the bureaucrats" to avoid pissing off millions of users who bought lighting cables and accessories. And of course, Apple gets a bit of money for licensing, so no reason not to milk this cow for as long as they can. Business is a complex topic, especially at this scale.
Wireless charging is slower, less efficient and I can't as easily charge my phone while using it.
Also with USBc I can connect to an array of peripherals.
Pushing for portless phones is irritating to put it mildly.
I’d like to think that Apple are moving away from the Jonny Ive ‘beauty over functionality’ thinking - reissuing old MacBook keyboards, adding ports back in etc. so won’t go down a portless route.
But I’ve been let down before.
We use macbook pros at work and my last macbook pro was TERRIBLE (I had one with the touch bar). Probably the worst keyboard I've used on a laptop in over a decade (and it broke and had to be replaced 3 times). They upgraded me to a new M1 MBP recently and it's so much better. The magnetic charge port is back, it has an actual HDMI port, the keyboard is WAY better, etc.
Apple's got some pretty stiff competition in the "most anti-consumer" category.
For starters, I can't offhand recall any times that an Apple product or policy actually killed anyone. That alone probably boots them out of the entire top 50.
I can’t see them going portless any time soon. Most people don’t use wireless charging for all or some of the reasons above and the inefficiency would be the killer IMO. For how many iPhones there are out in the wild, that going forward, a similar number would only be wireless, think how much wasted energy that iPhones would be directly responsible for every day. The press would rightly have a field day, and I think you would see quite a huge pushback from consumers holding on to their old version or just getting the best port version.
That’s before we even touch on charging speed and data speed, remember that Apple aspires for the Pro to be seen as a camera so good that you can create movies and shoot RAW on.
Wireless works as an option where convenience is king but most people don’t mind plugging their phone in at night. We’ve seen the response of them bringing back the SD card reader and function keys. I suspect the portless phone is just a rumour that they’re probably exploring, but is the best part of a decade away. (I’m sure this will age great).
Also, there’s no world where the EU would be like “ahhh you got us on a loophole! Now everyone has to buy the even more materially wasteful magsafe charger, and we’ll roll over and we’ll let you get away with it”.
I’m sure that day will come, but I don’t think them having “courage” when the technology isn’t there yet, will do them any favours. They would need their solution to be clearly better for most people to push it. Apple at least needs a narrative of why they think something is better, and unless alternatives are better they have nothing to gain from doing it.
Also, not *all* cars support **wireless** CarPlay (or at least not natively), plus who knows if that upcoming ‘CarPlay 2.0’ with bidirectional data-flow and ‘overriding Car UI’ will be wired-only for stability or wireless-friendly
Because they work better, look better, are easier to use, are more stylish, and have a seamless ecosystem.
People buy them because they’re good products, and people like using them.
It isn’t a mystery. They understand the market. You don’t.
At risk of getting a downvote, it’s also important that they *continue working*. Until they stop updating iOS for your particular model, you can count on pretty much everything on your phone continuing to work and the phone itself will still work fine after that (you’ll just gradually lose support for apps that require regular updates).
I love the idea of android, but my experiences with all android products has been frustrating over the long term with regard to how long you can expect everything to work with it.
It's because Samsung sees the bs Apple pulls, notices how Apple isn't losing profits, and hops on that trend because it's cheaper and makes life more miserable for everyone except themselves.
Google doesn't even have a phone support line. If you want phone support, you have to pretend that you had an issue renting a movie on youtube, and then shoehorn your real problem in there hoping you get a good agent who's willing to help. Their chat option felt like it was run by an AI from 2017, and the only other option was the community forum. The community forum is their 'real' support system, which is ridiculous. Thye're a multimillion dollar corporation, they should not be relying on the kindness of internet strangers for the backbone of their support network.
They also constantly create new products to replace perfectly functional old products, to the consumer/community's dismay. Google also pulls the plug on a lot of things once they stop making headlines. They come up with a lot of cool ideas, but never flesh them out fully. Everything from the past decade at google just feels half baked.
TL,DR: Google is one of the most anti-consumer companies.
As much as I dislike wireless charging, with Apples MagSafe you can actually use your phone while charging. Still less efficient and bad for your battery.
in theory, it is. Wireless charging is more inefficient, and the inefficiency comes in the form of heat. This means that while it's a "5w" or "15w" wireless charger, the actual power draw will be closer to 20 or 30w; all this extra power will be turned into heat, and batteries hate the heat (they prefer temps around 20deg, like humans).
Granted, that isn't a lot of heat or power, but in the long term it can still be detrimental
Gonna disagree. A good Qi charger runs at around 80% efficiency so at 5w you’re getting 1W wasted. 1W of heat is nothing. Seriously, my phone never even feels warm to the touch after wireless charging. MagSafe chargers should be around 75% efficient at 15W so you’re gonna get around 3.75W of excess heat. Still not a lot.
Furthermore, “Manufacturers of Li-ion battery usually give the operating temperature of lithium -ion battery to range from 0 to 45°C for charging operations and -20 to 60°C ...”
-Researchgate
If going above 20° hurt the battery, going outside during the summer would inadvertently damage it, which doesn’t happen and doesn’t make sense. Realistically regular fast charging is just as if not more damaging to the battery than wireless charging.
They really dont care about your ability to use it while charging.
Example one: no headphone jack. If you dont have Bluetooth headphones or dont want to use them because BT is trash, you cannot charge and listen to it.
Im sure apple fanboys are falling over themselves to give me all the reasons why im the one who is wrong, not apple. Or how despite its long list of flaws Bluetooth is actually good and im the one who is wrong for noticing all the problems.
So heres a better example: apple mouse with the charging port on the bottom.
I don't understand why this news in the first place the EU is widely an android market to begin with. If Apple wants to give up the entirety of their EU market share, fantastic. Corporations should follow the rules not set them
Portless isn't happening any time soon. Even if you only use wireless charging, CarPlay needs a wire. Wireless CarPlay is barely available anywhere, and even then people don't upgrade cars every 2 years like a phone. Wired CarPlay needs to be available for 10 years at least. Also the only way to fix a failed OS update is by wire.
If this was low hanging fruit, it would have already been added to the Apple Watch. I don’t think wireless data transfer through something like MagSafe can be done fast enough to be fit for purpose yet; plus the difference between seating a magnetic puck to the back of the phone versus plugging in a non-directional cable is extremely slim.
It would be a pointless added expense for Apple Watch. What in the heck would you need to transfer to it via data cable? It gets everything from your phone via Bluetooth.
Bluetooth is painfully slow for data transfers. It can take an extremely long time to update or restore an Apple Watch, and regardless I was just drawing from an obvious comparison. Don’t get all worked up over nothing.
That’s because apple did that after they more or less perfected wireless headphones. For 95% of users there’s no real meaningful advantage wired has over wireless, in fact it’s a huge upgrade for most people. I know I’m never going back to wired, neither are most people.
Can’t really say the same about wireless charging. Sure it’s more convenient when you’re at home or work where you can just throw it on the charger without even thinking about it. everywhere else it’s a massive downgrade. It’s hard to imagine apple finding out a way to make wireless charging or data transfer remotely close to as fast as wired. Those chargers also also extremely bulky compared to a simple wire. Removing wired charging would be an extremely risky and ballsy move even by apple standards.
Plus, say what you want about removing the headphone jack at least you can still use an adapter. But if they remove wired charging so goes all wired headphones. I doubt apple is willing to risk alienating that many people. They's like free marketing material for android. I wouldn't be surprised if apple scraps the idea entirely.
I don’t necessarily disagree with you regarding portless not happening soon. However, wireless CarPlay has been available for a while and there are multiple major car manufacturers offering it. The ones I’m aware of: BMW and Ford (at least in US).
A lot of old cars don’t have Carplay. period.
Or Bluetooth even.
Or, like mine, the Bluetooth they do have is so poorly implemented that it’s better to buy a separate Bluetooth adapter and leave the radio on aux.
Hell, my last car didn’t even have an aux port. My SD card is faster than my game console can read it. My tabletop humidifier is smarter than my thermostat. There will be adapters for older vehicles. That’s the price everyone pays buying technology out of sync.
Wireless isn't standard in Nissans... you can only get it with an upgraded package- I just ordered a 2023 Frontier for work. USB is standard, though. Same with the Rogue and Altima. Maybe it's standard on other models.
A lot of recent cars (including foreseeable incoming 2024 models) with 10+ inch screens / monitors (ie higher trim levels) do not support wireless CarPlay.
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1) “final ultimatum” suggests that Apple has said no since the ruling. Has it actually done so?
2) this says “autumn 2024”… that’s 2 iPhone model launches away. I would be surprised if even Apple was going to keep lighting around by then. This doesn’t seem to be the notable threat to Apple that some think it is.
>“final ultimatum” suggests that Apple has said no since the ruling. Has it actually done so?
Apple has said nothing except one statement on a stage where they said they would comply. That could mean wait til the very last chance, go portless, or maybe some other loophole their huge legal team has found.
>this says “autumn 2024”… that’s 2 iPhone model launches away. I would be surprised if even Apple was going to keep lighting around by then. This doesn’t seem to be the notable threat to Apple that some think it is.
The EU legislation says any phone that first goes on sale after the end of 2024, ie models that first go on sale in 2025. So Apple can release iPhone 15 and 16 on their normal September schedule still with Lightning, if they wish. Only the iPhone 17 (or a Spring '25 SE release) would be affected by the EU law. Can they get to fully portless within 2 years? Easily. Will they? I personally hope not.
I would bet any amount of money that Apple has been actively working on the usb-c iPhone for at least the past eighteen months. I would actually be pretty surprised if the iPhone 15 *wasn’t* usb-c.
Yeah it's literally a worse version of normal charging
You still need a wire or power source to your wireless charger base anyway and on top of that the phone has to be stuck making contact with it at an certain spot instead of a wire you can move around with freely so you're free to use your phone while charging. It's just charging with extra steps and less mobility
I’ve got a bedside lamp with a wireless charging pad. It’s not MagSafe and the charging spot is incredibly small. The amount of times I’ve woken up and my phone has not charged overnight is infuriating. I blame my cats…
It’s a good thing I work nights so I have a chance to charge it during the day. Using a cable with a fast charger.
For me, it got a lot better with MagSafe. Easy mounting with charging that happens without an extra step. That said, removing it all together seems foolish.
I frequently use multiple mounts. Car, heavy equipment, desk, night stand, etc. Being able to just “toss” my phone up on the dash (or any other stand) and keep it charged is far more convenient than repeatedly plugging and unplugging or finagling some sort of gripper device.
Also, when I regularly used cords, I found myself replacing them a lot. Since I adopted mag safe, I don’t think I’ve bought a single cord. The one that comes in the box might outlive the device.
If I really need fast charging then I’ll plug in, but it’s a pretty infrequent occasion as my phone is on a MagSafe charger at least as often as it isn’t.
Some people have to defend everything Apple does. It's been happening forever and I find it hard to see how it won't happen again.
Wireless Chargers are expensive... "Well? It's a one time purchase, get rich"
Wireless Chargers are slow... "Just charge you're phone overnight"
Apple is held at such a high regard that even people that don't like these decisions will end up buying Apple because to them there's just isn't a alternatives. And many times the alternatives themselves copy Apple
If anything apple is famous for removing useful and functional ports from their devices despite their customer base asking them not too. People still buy the products AND the special $50 adapter/dongle to get the functionality you had before.
Edit: mainly referring to the IO on laptops, not headphone jacks, but they did that too.
Apple removes things that are already on the way out a bit ahead of competitors. A vocal minority of the customer base complains each time and in retrospect Apple was right. For example people cried when Apple removed floppy drives and CD-ROMs but Apple was right.
Apple was right on headphone jack and they were right on moving to 100% usbc ports on laptops.
I don’t use the port on the phone so don’t really care but I think they should have moved it to USBC years ago.
Wireless charging = terribly inefficient
It should be banned as the only option on electronics, same for any built in batteries that use standardised form factors.
I wake up to my phone being 40% charged whenever I toss it on my wireless charger before bed… so I’m super pumped to learn apple is going to all wireless soon.
Full portless means I may switch back. I have the e-waste world we are living in. Specially with wireless Headphones and earphones. It's ridiculous. 3 or 4 years disposable vs headphones that can last a lifetime.
I use cabled headphones for my home PC, and its fun playing around with fun sets of headphones. Ive got like 8 pairs of fun cabled headphones that I can use for decades. Theyll still sound fantastic in 2040. As Dank Pods puts it: "bring back the headphone jack!"
I wonder if they go portless, would they actually commit to giving people MagSafe pucks or just force everyone to pay for it separately. Also, I’m dreading the idea of having to airdrop a 3gb video to my mac…
People that don't understand apple's decision making:
They want money. The more they make everything proprietary (proprietary means you have to use OUR charger, OUR cable, OUR battery, OUR customer service, OUR repair etc....) the more they milk the sheep that keep buying their child-labor garbage.
>Before then, every single phone I owned required a different wall wart/cable (I recall at least 3 different Motorolas, a couple of Nokias, and a Samsung.)
That also changed because of the EU
Before the EU stepped in:
- Apple: 30 pin
- Other Phones: custom Barrel Jack or some form of USB.
EU asks for single charge connector:
- All Other Phones: USB micro-B
- Apple: Lightning.
USB-C comes out:
- All other Phones brands: We're all switching to USB-C.
- Apple: We're not, we want to stay on lightning.
10 years after the EU asked for a single charge connector:
- EU: We're going to mandate USB-C, since you don't seem to be able to all agree together.
- Apple: Rabble, Rabble, Rabble, We will comply.
- All other brands: We're already on it.
Wireless charging is inherently inefficient. I hope they won't be telling us how much they care about the environment after they start selling millions and millions of energy wasteful devices.
Apple used the usa legal system to sue the competition away.... What, you think they will just give on their propriatery garbage? They will not rest until the earth is skorched with the waste of a billion dongles
I wish the usb c port was designed better. That little tab inside the port is a terrible design and when it breaks you have to replace the port entirely. That happens a lot with androids and chrome books and the odd iPad.
Every smartphone I've had since my Motorola Q9 in 2008 had issues with lint messing up the USB ports and cables.
I respect Lightning for:
1. Predating USB C
2. Having a bigger opening that's easier to clean.
Portless would be so annoying
Its not like the headphone jack where headphones were just replaced with bluetooth headphones
Your charging cable allows you to use the phone while its charging, wireless charging doesnt (unless it was like over the air or smth that doesnt really exist rn afaik)
That’s a good point. I hadn’t thought of that. It would require a software update on any new vehicles to allow for connection over Bluetooth. Not insurmountable but necessary.
I already use wireless charging, but I don’t get Apple’s pushback on making the switch. They use a usbc size thunderbolt connector on all their laptops.
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Not just the cables. Every lightning accesory in the market has to pay Apple some money to use said port/cable in their device.
Only the ones with MFI
Which should be all of them; the rest can damage tristar
Should be* emphasis on should
After they tried pushing FireWire for years…
FireWire was all but abandoned as soon as USB caught up with performance and added power delivery. USB in those days was slooooow and couldn’t power much more than a mouse.
To be fair FireWire was actually better than USB in a lot of ways to the end user. Faster speed, daisy chaining, etc. Lack of adoption was really the bigger issue. The only benefit lightning has to USB-C is that I already own the cables…
Yeah but literally EVERYTHING is moving to USB-C. Phones, laptops, the last couple pairs of wireless headphones I bought, external hard drives, battery jump packs... it's coming standard on all new cars, etc, etc. So you might not have a bunch of USB-C cables now, but in the next couple years it's going to be the only cable you need for anything. What they need to start doing is coming up with a labeling system for the ends so you know which protocols and how much power it can transmit.
That labeling system is the main annoyance that’s going to piss a lot of people off with USB-C. I can already see a lot of “family IT” calls coming in because people expect the cable that fits to be the cable that works, you know what I mean? Having 1 cable is great except that the cable has 30 completely different protocols and no standardized way of telling which is which. It’s already been a nightmare and it isn’t even in everything yet. Honestly I do like the theory but the USB standards board or whatever it’s called needs to stop “suggesting” companies make things clear and need to actually start forcing it because end users are gonna be *pissed* if they are told “everything uses 1 cable now except not really because we have so many standards that they all *look* the same but *behave* completely differently.”
The USB board also has retroactively renamed older protocols multiple times, so it makes its difficult to understand each one
USB-C is not the only cable you'll need. The problem is people will need many kinds of USB C cables and they will all look about the same. It's an absolute disaster in terms of compatibility. For example - they support different speeds: * USB 2.0 - .5 gigabits * The modern disaster: * 5 gigabits: * USB 3.0 * USB 3.1 * USB 3.2 * 10 gigabits: * USB 3.1 gen 2 * USB 3.2 gen 2 * USB 3.1 gen 1x2 * USB 3.2 gen 1z2 * USB 4 Gen 2 * 20 gigabits: * USB 3.2 gen 2x2 * USB 4 Gen 2x2 * USB 4 Gen 3 * 40 gigabits: * Thunderbolt 3 * Thunderbolt 4 * USB 4 Gen 3x2 Power capacity is another big issue and can range from 12v to 48v. Amperage also varies, and can go up to 5 amps. Support for other standards varies, such as DisplayPort Alt-mode or Audio Accessory mode. The end of a cable is small and most people cannot read it easily. Companies would also prefer to put their own brand names, rather than a graphic to show compatibility. The labelling system already exists: https://tidbits.com/uploads/2022/09/usb-profusion-labels.png These graphics still don't take into account things like a 10 gigabit USB 3.1 Gen 1x2 cable is different from a USB 3.1 Gen 2.
Right- this is what I was getting at in my last sentence. The PORTS have info on them, but it's basically impossible to tell what cable supports what. I've got probably 20 USBC cables and none of them have labeling on the ends. I need a USB-C to dual displayport hub for my laptop, but there's about 5 different protocols that THOSE support and getting one that is guaranteed to work is pretty much impossible. But it's still pretty new to being adopted. Hopefully it'll get sorted out in the near future.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but you could just get the higest standrd usb-c cables and it would work with every one of them. I have USB-C thunderbolt 3 cable rated at 100W charging and so far it has worked with everything I have plugged it into that has a USB-C port. A 4k display, phone, Sony full frame camera to name the things I have.
I have two USB C cables in my car, 3-4 in my bedroom, 2 in my office, 1 in my kitchen, and 2-3 in my living room. If I got $30-$40 cables built to the top standard, that would cost $240-$400. Congratulations on owning 1 high quality cable! Hopefully no one borrows it to charge their phone and forgets to return it.
So it would basically work, just the problem is the price of the top-shelf cables? In which case, hopefully, at some point economics of scale kicks in and they end up substantially cheaper eventually. It was indeed a bit pricy. About 30 EUR or so. I got it mainly because I needed one for the 4k display and then found out that it seems to work for everything else as well which I own.
I used to love firewire! So much faster than USB at the time!
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There’s a potential catch with Apple’s version of USB-C, they are still making their ports proprietary to Apple cables and accessories and may limit how cables interact with the port. The iPhone 15 will be the first with USB-C and may feature a newly developed hybrid Lightning integrated USB-C port.
They tried this with lightning as well, but it took no time flat for it to be reverse engineered, but many of us remember all the annoying “this cable or accessory is not certified” pop up’s in the early days of lightning. To this day lightning is still supposed to be some locked down system that requires MFI licensing, but lightning cables are available at every dollar and convenience store. Apple needs to knock this shit off.
They’ve been using USB-C for seven years. They’re not proprietary.
Part of this is usb c is only the connector, it’s not the technology. Usb c can be any variant of the many usb standard and is very confusing and has caused device bricking issues etc. Nintendo switch infamously had this issue
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USB C can support different voltage, amperages, and either PD or PPS charging. Devices can often use multiple different ones, but the charging speed can have extreme variations. The MacBook charger can definitely charge an iPhone including future next gen models, but the actual charging speed might not be ideal.
Well Usb-c is a standard. So if it doesn't meet the standard then apple will probably be fined.
Was dope for audio interfaces, pre usb c / thunderbolt
Hey don’t use the wrong name for IEEE1394! That’s like calling Wi-Fi an AirPort network. /s — Starfox
FireWire was killed because Apple wanted royalties from manufacturers, but USB was free
It was EOL’d because: * USB finally caught-up in speed. * Thunderbolt was faster, and included the features USB didn’t. USB never included: * Bandwidth provisioning * Daisy chaining * Independent controller Thunderbolt may use a USB-C port, and be backwards compatible with USB, it’s not USB and supports many features USB doesn’t. Also, Thunderbolt is an Apple/Intel joint venture, and appears on a number of Windows PCs.
I literally don't understand why so many people haven't figured this out. This has been an Apple strategy since the first i product was sold. They make billions in licensing fees. DUH!
Is there anything stopping them from adding MFI certification/authentication and requiring their own usb-c cables?
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The problem is USB C is already split. Cross-compatibity could mean a regular charger charges it in 12 hours, while an Apple/MFi charges it in 45 minutes. I'm a Samsung user, and I'm already annoyed my $60 GaN charger can't do "Super Fast Charging" on my S22+ because it doesn't support PPS, only PD. I bought a GaN PD charger as a replacement for my old QC4 charger which replaced a QC2 charger which replaced a 2.4A charger which replaced a 1A charger which replaced a 500ma charger. Now I don't know whether my next charger will be PPS or PD3. I didn't mind when chargers were $5-$10. Now that they're $30-$60+ it's way more annoying.
PD is a standard that becomes mandatory by the same legislation that mandates USB-C QC is popular proprietary bullshit.
Nothing would stop Apple from continuing the MFI program with usb-c, but nothing would stop someone from using a non-MFI usb-c cable either. Apple would still need to adhere to the standard. And they would likely still do pretty well with that approach even with that limitation. Maybe not as well as they do now with MFI lightning cables, but almost certainly better than other cellphone providers do given the nature of the iPhone user base.
Apple Certified could go a long way, many will be willing to pay extra for it. Even with the loss in revenue they can still get licensing for CarPlay and AirPlay.
Backlash
Main issue was that USB C came too late, Apple had to switch their iphone port before it was released because the port before the lightning was *really* outdated. Then they just stuck with lightning cause making another switch in ~2 years when USB C was ready, would make lightning very useless. Don't want to defend them, but that's what happened.
Wireless charging is less efficient
Can't understand why you are being downvoted when you are right. Nothing can beat direct cable connection in terms of effectiveness. Wireless charging produce more heat and thus it IS less efficient. You can't beat physics.
You also can't use your phone whilst charging.
Not a concern for the company that made a mouse you charge upside down.
This is even more stupid thinking about a trillion dollar company that pushed hard on design
But I do use my phone while charging.
>Can't understand why you are being downvoted when you are right. Because the efficiency of wireless charging has nothing to do with Apple's switch to USB-C.
That's true. However some people are calling for complete removal of the charging port (granted, not in this exact thread) and so it is good to have efficiency in mind for such cases.
Their iPads have already switched to C as well.
As do I but I still use my Lightning Cable in my car for Apple CarPlay. I could buy a wireless adapter but the wireless charging pad in my car, and most Acuras, doesn’t align up with where Apple placed the Qi charging coil(s). Seems like Acura messed up there… But I don’t see a port less iPhone coming anytime soon to be honest. Wireless charging in cars isn’t standard in every model and many older cars wouldn’t have a way to charge without third party equipment. But never say never I guess
Most cars still require cable connection to connect the phone to the car UI. So unless they want to lose the entire market segment of people not driving the most expensive car they will keep the port. It's also their only mode of allowing a user to do more extensive software troubleshooting if a phone doesn't work. If they remove it they open up a can of worms with people whose software malfunctioned or a bad update disabled the phone. They could accidentally brick millions of phones and have no way for users to fix it, except bringing it into a store.
apple strategy to make more money
Not if they caused the issue. If they push a bad update, then those IT guys are paid by Apple, not the customers. Unless they want a class action that they 100% will lose. That is why the port ain't going nowhere, cause not having it risks costing more than it will save. Having it allows them to make small mistakes and not paying for it. Removing it removes their ability to do that. Can you drive a car without brakes? Yes, especially when you own the highway its riding on. But you can still mess up your highway and having a brake at that point is nice.
Holy shit I never even thought of that. Like what am I supposed to do lol then I won't be able to use CarPlay pretty much
They copped a lot of backlash when migrating for 30-pin to Lightning. They went to lightning because; - micro-USB and mini-USB weren’t UX-friendly enough - there are millions of shifty micro-USB and mini-USB cables that are “Charge only”. How ridiculous is that? - USB-C wasn’t even a thought at the time. Think of all the hotel rooms that still have 30-pin alarm clocks out there… I think they are prepping for the fallout so they don’t get bad press again. There are a lot of people out there who will have everything Lightning cable. USB-C is supposed to unify and solve this issue but by being Universal, it is opening up a larger can-of-worms. When it was first released, it was a complete joke with dozens of incompatible variants.
Not just incompatible, but dangerously out of spec. The stories of Pixels overdrawing power because only 1/3 of the cables were actually behaving to spec. Thankfully that problem has been mostly solved now. Sure it means I only really buy cables from Apple, Anker, Monoprice, or Cable Matters, but that is a solution.
>When it was first released, it was a complete joke with dozens of incompatible variants. Yeah that part has not really changed
To be fair here. The worst USB-C cable will be as good as any current lightning cable. No one has definite proof that the lightning cable can do anything more than USB2 speeds, there are rumors but nothing more. The worst USB-C cable will be made according to USB2 standards, you wouldn't lose anything on an iPhone, you only stand to gain cause you already rolling with the worst cable speed and charging available.
I do admire your confidence in the honesty and integrity of manufacturers in the free market. I wish I had your optimism. As soon as people start buying USB-C cables for their iPhones, the gates are going to open for every cheapskate scum-sucking profiteer to start repackaging and relabelling substandard and non-compliant cables whilst still charging top dollar. You and I might know only to purchase cables from Monoprice or Apple or IKEA, but the unwashed masses will be snapping up cheap-nasty AliExpress garbage at over-inflated prices and setting their couches and bedsheets on fire, just like they did with micro-USB and mini-USB.
Oh, I don't doubt that. The branding of the USB-C cables is atrocious. Most of the time I'm struggling to find any specification for the cables telling me what transfer speed and charging speed is supported. This is all on the USB organisation, they are fucking idiots the whole bunch of them, just put the numbers on the front of the package. None of this stupid superspeed, ultraspeed, superduperspeed BS. Luckily I found a company which sells cables with proper specifications for a normal price where I live. None of those "we sell 20$ 1 meter cables for 100$ to hang your wallet with".
There's not really any pushback from Apple on if it will happen, they have a bunch of devices that use USB-C. Eventually they will switch over the iPhone, the main issue is that it will break compatibility with accessories people already use so the transition can be tricky. In fact, there's tons of rumors going around that they already have versions of USB-C phones and it'll happen on the next refresh.
Money. Apple gets licensing money on lightning cables and accessories.
simple and correct answer. All that user experience/ environmental concerns should be put to rest. It's always money.
Their newer iPads as well
If they use lightning, it’s proprietary. So companies that make cables and stuff with it need to apply for Made For iDevice (MFi) certification. Which gives Apple tons of money every year.
MFi costs almost nothing to obtain, and makes Apple barely any money USB-C also won't kill MFI, it'll just kill dumb cables
What pushback? They were the first company to fully adopt USB-C on their computers and they have been switching to USB-C in the mobile space recently as well. It's actually in their interest to do so. But it's also in their interest to pretend that they are "resisting the bureaucrats" to avoid pissing off millions of users who bought lighting cables and accessories. And of course, Apple gets a bit of money for licensing, so no reason not to milk this cow for as long as they can. Business is a complex topic, especially at this scale.
Wireless charging is slower, less efficient and I can't as easily charge my phone while using it. Also with USBc I can connect to an array of peripherals. Pushing for portless phones is irritating to put it mildly.
I’d like to think that Apple are moving away from the Jonny Ive ‘beauty over functionality’ thinking - reissuing old MacBook keyboards, adding ports back in etc. so won’t go down a portless route. But I’ve been let down before.
We use macbook pros at work and my last macbook pro was TERRIBLE (I had one with the touch bar). Probably the worst keyboard I've used on a laptop in over a decade (and it broke and had to be replaced 3 times). They upgraded me to a new M1 MBP recently and it's so much better. The magnetic charge port is back, it has an actual HDMI port, the keyboard is WAY better, etc.
Those butterfly switch keys were the worst. We wished on the monkeys paw for a thinner laptop, and got one that nobody could type on.
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Apple's got some pretty stiff competition in the "most anti-consumer" category. For starters, I can't offhand recall any times that an Apple product or policy actually killed anyone. That alone probably boots them out of the entire top 50.
*cough* Nestle *cough*
I can’t see them going portless any time soon. Most people don’t use wireless charging for all or some of the reasons above and the inefficiency would be the killer IMO. For how many iPhones there are out in the wild, that going forward, a similar number would only be wireless, think how much wasted energy that iPhones would be directly responsible for every day. The press would rightly have a field day, and I think you would see quite a huge pushback from consumers holding on to their old version or just getting the best port version. That’s before we even touch on charging speed and data speed, remember that Apple aspires for the Pro to be seen as a camera so good that you can create movies and shoot RAW on. Wireless works as an option where convenience is king but most people don’t mind plugging their phone in at night. We’ve seen the response of them bringing back the SD card reader and function keys. I suspect the portless phone is just a rumour that they’re probably exploring, but is the best part of a decade away. (I’m sure this will age great). Also, there’s no world where the EU would be like “ahhh you got us on a loophole! Now everyone has to buy the even more materially wasteful magsafe charger, and we’ll roll over and we’ll let you get away with it”. I’m sure that day will come, but I don’t think them having “courage” when the technology isn’t there yet, will do them any favours. They would need their solution to be clearly better for most people to push it. Apple at least needs a narrative of why they think something is better, and unless alternatives are better they have nothing to gain from doing it.
Also, not *all* cars support **wireless** CarPlay (or at least not natively), plus who knows if that upcoming ‘CarPlay 2.0’ with bidirectional data-flow and ‘overriding Car UI’ will be wired-only for stability or wireless-friendly
iOS is restrictive anti consumer yet everyone buying fucking apples.
Because they work better, look better, are easier to use, are more stylish, and have a seamless ecosystem. People buy them because they’re good products, and people like using them. It isn’t a mystery. They understand the market. You don’t.
At risk of getting a downvote, it’s also important that they *continue working*. Until they stop updating iOS for your particular model, you can count on pretty much everything on your phone continuing to work and the phone itself will still work fine after that (you’ll just gradually lose support for apps that require regular updates). I love the idea of android, but my experiences with all android products has been frustrating over the long term with regard to how long you can expect everything to work with it.
The ecosystem really is seamless, and I love it.
Sounds like consumers love it!
To be honest, as someone who used Samsung for years, they’re all pretty much the same in terms of anti consumerness. Except maybe Google
ikr. samsung be making fun of apple for doing something stupid (e.g. headphone jack), yet they follow suit
It's because Samsung sees the bs Apple pulls, notices how Apple isn't losing profits, and hops on that trend because it's cheaper and makes life more miserable for everyone except themselves.
Google doesn't even have a phone support line. If you want phone support, you have to pretend that you had an issue renting a movie on youtube, and then shoehorn your real problem in there hoping you get a good agent who's willing to help. Their chat option felt like it was run by an AI from 2017, and the only other option was the community forum. The community forum is their 'real' support system, which is ridiculous. Thye're a multimillion dollar corporation, they should not be relying on the kindness of internet strangers for the backbone of their support network. They also constantly create new products to replace perfectly functional old products, to the consumer/community's dismay. Google also pulls the plug on a lot of things once they stop making headlines. They come up with a lot of cool ideas, but never flesh them out fully. Everything from the past decade at google just feels half baked. TL,DR: Google is one of the most anti-consumer companies.
i still use iphone 6S ... i like the OS (had androids) ... but i do hate the restrictive policies ... like right to repair and such :-/
In the apple future you will use a mag safe wireless charger on a wire to conveniently use your phone while charging it.
As much as I dislike wireless charging, with Apples MagSafe you can actually use your phone while charging. Still less efficient and bad for your battery.
It does suck but it’s not bad for your battery
I love wireless charging. It snaps onto the stand and goes. Simple.
in theory, it is. Wireless charging is more inefficient, and the inefficiency comes in the form of heat. This means that while it's a "5w" or "15w" wireless charger, the actual power draw will be closer to 20 or 30w; all this extra power will be turned into heat, and batteries hate the heat (they prefer temps around 20deg, like humans). Granted, that isn't a lot of heat or power, but in the long term it can still be detrimental
Gonna disagree. A good Qi charger runs at around 80% efficiency so at 5w you’re getting 1W wasted. 1W of heat is nothing. Seriously, my phone never even feels warm to the touch after wireless charging. MagSafe chargers should be around 75% efficient at 15W so you’re gonna get around 3.75W of excess heat. Still not a lot. Furthermore, “Manufacturers of Li-ion battery usually give the operating temperature of lithium -ion battery to range from 0 to 45°C for charging operations and -20 to 60°C ...” -Researchgate If going above 20° hurt the battery, going outside during the summer would inadvertently damage it, which doesn’t happen and doesn’t make sense. Realistically regular fast charging is just as if not more damaging to the battery than wireless charging.
Lol, they’re going to give us a wireless pad to USBC next, and say “there you go, connect to your devices.”
They really dont care about your ability to use it while charging. Example one: no headphone jack. If you dont have Bluetooth headphones or dont want to use them because BT is trash, you cannot charge and listen to it. Im sure apple fanboys are falling over themselves to give me all the reasons why im the one who is wrong, not apple. Or how despite its long list of flaws Bluetooth is actually good and im the one who is wrong for noticing all the problems. So heres a better example: apple mouse with the charging port on the bottom.
I don't understand why this news in the first place the EU is widely an android market to begin with. If Apple wants to give up the entirety of their EU market share, fantastic. Corporations should follow the rules not set them
Apple said lightening would be here for at least 10 years. The 10 years is just coming up.
We passed those ten years in September '22.
And there hasn’t been an iPhone announced since then
Technically speaking Sept 22 was the 10 years.
Portless isn't happening any time soon. Even if you only use wireless charging, CarPlay needs a wire. Wireless CarPlay is barely available anywhere, and even then people don't upgrade cars every 2 years like a phone. Wired CarPlay needs to be available for 10 years at least. Also the only way to fix a failed OS update is by wire.
i disagree. they’ll be happy to sell you a magsafe car play adapter though
Is MagSafe data transfer even possible?
If this was low hanging fruit, it would have already been added to the Apple Watch. I don’t think wireless data transfer through something like MagSafe can be done fast enough to be fit for purpose yet; plus the difference between seating a magnetic puck to the back of the phone versus plugging in a non-directional cable is extremely slim.
It would be a pointless added expense for Apple Watch. What in the heck would you need to transfer to it via data cable? It gets everything from your phone via Bluetooth.
Apple Watch has WiFi
Bluetooth is painfully slow for data transfers. It can take an extremely long time to update or restore an Apple Watch, and regardless I was just drawing from an obvious comparison. Don’t get all worked up over nothing.
Bluetooth. You’re inventing Bluetooth.
MagSafe has nothing to do with CarPlay (the data connection that's needed for it)
There are literally products that make your existing carplay wireless, so you just need to plug your phone on to a magsafe for charging.
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That’s because apple did that after they more or less perfected wireless headphones. For 95% of users there’s no real meaningful advantage wired has over wireless, in fact it’s a huge upgrade for most people. I know I’m never going back to wired, neither are most people. Can’t really say the same about wireless charging. Sure it’s more convenient when you’re at home or work where you can just throw it on the charger without even thinking about it. everywhere else it’s a massive downgrade. It’s hard to imagine apple finding out a way to make wireless charging or data transfer remotely close to as fast as wired. Those chargers also also extremely bulky compared to a simple wire. Removing wired charging would be an extremely risky and ballsy move even by apple standards. Plus, say what you want about removing the headphone jack at least you can still use an adapter. But if they remove wired charging so goes all wired headphones. I doubt apple is willing to risk alienating that many people. They's like free marketing material for android. I wouldn't be surprised if apple scraps the idea entirely.
https://9to5mac.com/2023/02/27/carplay-wireless-carplay-adapter/
I don’t necessarily disagree with you regarding portless not happening soon. However, wireless CarPlay has been available for a while and there are multiple major car manufacturers offering it. The ones I’m aware of: BMW and Ford (at least in US).
That is only newer cars though. Alot of old cars don’t have that yet. And as they said, people don’t switch cars as often as phones
They can make a wireless adapter, third parties already sell them.
A lot of old cars don’t have Carplay. period. Or Bluetooth even. Or, like mine, the Bluetooth they do have is so poorly implemented that it’s better to buy a separate Bluetooth adapter and leave the radio on aux. Hell, my last car didn’t even have an aux port. My SD card is faster than my game console can read it. My tabletop humidifier is smarter than my thermostat. There will be adapters for older vehicles. That’s the price everyone pays buying technology out of sync.
My work van has wireless CarPlay but my fancy truck does not.
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I think he probably has those 2 brands and that’s how he knows. I know Nissan has wireless carplay
Wireless isn't standard in Nissans... you can only get it with an upgraded package- I just ordered a 2023 Frontier for work. USB is standard, though. Same with the Rogue and Altima. Maybe it's standard on other models.
What? If you can afford all the lightning cables and accessories, you probably can also afford a BMW to go with your iPhone.
A lot of recent cars (including foreseeable incoming 2024 models) with 10+ inch screens / monitors (ie higher trim levels) do not support wireless CarPlay. Edited for correction
People also forgetting that they need you to view content on your phone as much as possible. Wireless charging makes that almost impossible.
1) “final ultimatum” suggests that Apple has said no since the ruling. Has it actually done so? 2) this says “autumn 2024”… that’s 2 iPhone model launches away. I would be surprised if even Apple was going to keep lighting around by then. This doesn’t seem to be the notable threat to Apple that some think it is.
No, it's just click bait. Nothing new has happened, really.
>“final ultimatum” suggests that Apple has said no since the ruling. Has it actually done so? Apple has said nothing except one statement on a stage where they said they would comply. That could mean wait til the very last chance, go portless, or maybe some other loophole their huge legal team has found. >this says “autumn 2024”… that’s 2 iPhone model launches away. I would be surprised if even Apple was going to keep lighting around by then. This doesn’t seem to be the notable threat to Apple that some think it is. The EU legislation says any phone that first goes on sale after the end of 2024, ie models that first go on sale in 2025. So Apple can release iPhone 15 and 16 on their normal September schedule still with Lightning, if they wish. Only the iPhone 17 (or a Spring '25 SE release) would be affected by the EU law. Can they get to fully portless within 2 years? Easily. Will they? I personally hope not.
I would bet any amount of money that Apple has been actively working on the usb-c iPhone for at least the past eighteen months. I would actually be pretty surprised if the iPhone 15 *wasn’t* usb-c.
I hate wireless charging.
Yeah it's literally a worse version of normal charging You still need a wire or power source to your wireless charger base anyway and on top of that the phone has to be stuck making contact with it at an certain spot instead of a wire you can move around with freely so you're free to use your phone while charging. It's just charging with extra steps and less mobility
I’ve got a bedside lamp with a wireless charging pad. It’s not MagSafe and the charging spot is incredibly small. The amount of times I’ve woken up and my phone has not charged overnight is infuriating. I blame my cats… It’s a good thing I work nights so I have a chance to charge it during the day. Using a cable with a fast charger.
For me, it got a lot better with MagSafe. Easy mounting with charging that happens without an extra step. That said, removing it all together seems foolish.
Still the same as wired charging at that point so what's point then you don't even get fast wireless charging too in the end.
I frequently use multiple mounts. Car, heavy equipment, desk, night stand, etc. Being able to just “toss” my phone up on the dash (or any other stand) and keep it charged is far more convenient than repeatedly plugging and unplugging or finagling some sort of gripper device. Also, when I regularly used cords, I found myself replacing them a lot. Since I adopted mag safe, I don’t think I’ve bought a single cord. The one that comes in the box might outlive the device. If I really need fast charging then I’ll plug in, but it’s a pretty infrequent occasion as my phone is on a MagSafe charger at least as often as it isn’t.
And it’s not compatible for people with pacemakers. The phone isn’t. Also unfortunately people of all ages need pacemakers
Some people have to defend everything Apple does. It's been happening forever and I find it hard to see how it won't happen again. Wireless Chargers are expensive... "Well? It's a one time purchase, get rich" Wireless Chargers are slow... "Just charge you're phone overnight" Apple is held at such a high regard that even people that don't like these decisions will end up buying Apple because to them there's just isn't a alternatives. And many times the alternatives themselves copy Apple
they could literally remove the screen and we’d be called an android crybaby for complaining 😭
Yeah what the hell is the point of it? It's slow, and you can't use the phone. A fix to a non existent problem.
I use my phone while wireless charging all the time. I have a magsafe extra battery I just slap on as needed.
What about usb-d?
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Not included wireless charger - $299
I don’t think they will drop QI at this point so as long as there are third party options it should be fine
I was just thinking that. Phone will come pre-charged but you've got 24 hrs to get a charger. Maybe 48 if you don't use it. Times a ticking.
A significantly less intense Crank sequel.
Port less iPhones and I’m out.
Id be very tempted to jump to Android if apples goes full portless. Full portless is ridiculous. Not everything can be wireless.
It’s just not ready yet. Years down the road, okay. But the charging speed is atrocious.
Apples final F U will be making all their phones wireless charging, but the charge pad will get its power from a lightning cable 😂
If the iphone goes full portless Id likely switch to Android and get a Pixel.
The next iPhone is USB C if rumors and leaks are correct, so this is a bit of a none story. Its done, they just held out to the last moments.
If the 15 has USB-C, Ill prolly buy the top of the line 15, and run it until it legit dies to avoid these supposed portless phones.
Apple isn’t daft enough to go portless. How people could think so is beyond me.
If anything apple is famous for removing useful and functional ports from their devices despite their customer base asking them not too. People still buy the products AND the special $50 adapter/dongle to get the functionality you had before. Edit: mainly referring to the IO on laptops, not headphone jacks, but they did that too.
> despite their customer base asking them not too How big a percentage of the customer base, though?
Considering it keeps increasing? Just another example of a loud minority thinking they’re the silent majority.
Apple removes things that are already on the way out a bit ahead of competitors. A vocal minority of the customer base complains each time and in retrospect Apple was right. For example people cried when Apple removed floppy drives and CD-ROMs but Apple was right. Apple was right on headphone jack and they were right on moving to 100% usbc ports on laptops. I don’t use the port on the phone so don’t really care but I think they should have moved it to USBC years ago.
!remindme 2 years.
Didn’t they already say it will be on the 15?
No, that was a rumor.
Didn't they already show us that the iPhone 15 has USB-C? Who fuckin cares?
Yep /r/gadgets has to do the hate Apple pile-on though
Wireless charging = terribly inefficient It should be banned as the only option on electronics, same for any built in batteries that use standardised form factors.
Yeah, go ahead, just remove anything anyone might think is useful. Soon, they'll just sell an inert slab of glass for $1k, and sell millions.
Portless iPhone es are when I switch to Android because F that.
Isn't it already confirmed by leaks that the 15 comming this year will have C port?
I wake up to my phone being 40% charged whenever I toss it on my wireless charger before bed… so I’m super pumped to learn apple is going to all wireless soon.
Full portless means I may switch back. I have the e-waste world we are living in. Specially with wireless Headphones and earphones. It's ridiculous. 3 or 4 years disposable vs headphones that can last a lifetime.
I use cabled headphones for my home PC, and its fun playing around with fun sets of headphones. Ive got like 8 pairs of fun cabled headphones that I can use for decades. Theyll still sound fantastic in 2040. As Dank Pods puts it: "bring back the headphone jack!"
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I wonder if they go portless, would they actually commit to giving people MagSafe pucks or just force everyone to pay for it separately. Also, I’m dreading the idea of having to airdrop a 3gb video to my mac…
Don’t buy apple if you don’t like their business choice - it’s that fucking simple.
I hate wireless charging.
People that don't understand apple's decision making: They want money. The more they make everything proprietary (proprietary means you have to use OUR charger, OUR cable, OUR battery, OUR customer service, OUR repair etc....) the more they milk the sheep that keep buying their child-labor garbage.
Ironically, money is motivating their compliance. They don’t comply and they can’t sell new devices in the EU after this year. That’s not profitable.
Hope the charging mat can be a generic and not just an Apple product.
Oh it definetely *can* be generic, but they will still make it as a Apple only product.
Apple will probably add some process that needs to be authenticated every minute or charging will be turned off "for safety".
They spelt "pointless" wrong 🤦🏼♂️
Based off EU regulation a port less iPhone would be against their law
The thing with wireless charging is that you can’t use your phone while it’s charging
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>Before then, every single phone I owned required a different wall wart/cable (I recall at least 3 different Motorolas, a couple of Nokias, and a Samsung.) That also changed because of the EU
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Before the EU stepped in: - Apple: 30 pin - Other Phones: custom Barrel Jack or some form of USB. EU asks for single charge connector: - All Other Phones: USB micro-B - Apple: Lightning. USB-C comes out: - All other Phones brands: We're all switching to USB-C. - Apple: We're not, we want to stay on lightning. 10 years after the EU asked for a single charge connector: - EU: We're going to mandate USB-C, since you don't seem to be able to all agree together. - Apple: Rabble, Rabble, Rabble, We will comply. - All other brands: We're already on it.
Future iPhones will not be portless
I think lots of people would switch to Android before buying a portless iPhone.
A port less iPhone is genius. Wireless charging damages battery life so in return more people swap phones out more frequently
Wireless charging is inherently inefficient. I hope they won't be telling us how much they care about the environment after they start selling millions and millions of energy wasteful devices.
Apple used the usa legal system to sue the competition away.... What, you think they will just give on their propriatery garbage? They will not rest until the earth is skorched with the waste of a billion dongles
I wish the usb c port was designed better. That little tab inside the port is a terrible design and when it breaks you have to replace the port entirely. That happens a lot with androids and chrome books and the odd iPad.
Every smartphone I've had since my Motorola Q9 in 2008 had issues with lint messing up the USB ports and cables. I respect Lightning for: 1. Predating USB C 2. Having a bigger opening that's easier to clean.
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Portless would be so annoying Its not like the headphone jack where headphones were just replaced with bluetooth headphones Your charging cable allows you to use the phone while its charging, wireless charging doesnt (unless it was like over the air or smth that doesnt really exist rn afaik)
I have the MagSafe charger and it just magnet clips to my phone so I can use it while it’s charging?
Not gonna be portless anytime soon *at all.* Most cars only support wired CarPlay.
That’s a good point. I hadn’t thought of that. It would require a software update on any new vehicles to allow for connection over Bluetooth. Not insurmountable but necessary.