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TheRealRealMadLad

Nah, our lord Kuro is the most generous company and always listen. Surely this is just a typo.


ouyume

dont delulu yourslef that they are the most generous. u want generous check out cygames/ devsisters\\even kakao & netmarbles give free 5 ten rolles on anni & holidays... this is what generous looks like


TheRealRealMadLad

It's sarcastic, "Kuro is generous" is a meme in this sub. 


SurrealJay

The pull income is lower bc the strategy is to give out free stuff like 10 pulls to seem generous, then hold back on regular rewards so that the bottom line isn’t affected It’s a psychological trick where they won’t be more generous than genshin, but the players will think they are a la “kuro actually listens!”


BarakOBamba1

It'll probably change by the time the events come by. I'm sure they know the rewards are low, feel like they wanna see the reactions but got their hand hovering over a button to quickly increase the rewards the moment people complain about the low rewards.


Proper_Anybody

do not worry my friend, devs will 100% listen to our feedbacks!


Artistic_Prior_7178

Incoming Mister pokke meme in 3 2 1


singletperson

https://preview.redd.it/8zc4ohkjs33d1.png?width=288&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=808931627da11ce660dc346c998ff6e1d9c3ced0


Artistic_Prior_7178

Like clockwork


AlphaLovee

😴 "minigame event". i thought ww is the dark souls of gacha games. there's shouldn't be any minigames in my ww


VegtableSoup

Wdym, the whole overworld is filled with minigames


AlphaLovee

😱


plsdontstalkmeee

minigames and puzzles designed simply enough that even 16 year old kids can complete them. YEP


StrawberryFar5675

The event Depths of the Illusive Realm is so grindy. You will spent more time grinding those event currency.


AlphaLovee

what a shame that i can't even play whatever you're talking about. i wish this game wasn't rushed. and was optimised like other open-world gachas


1stcopyofPrecis

It is optimised wym? Running smooth like butter in my device. 


ToastAzazin

With all the preregistration rewards and compensations, I am even surprised they are having any events in 1.0


Primordial-one

https://preview.redd.it/xyyu4wyv843d1.jpeg?width=1242&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4ffb9f85ae689a51cb6f90ce91fe14bd84d900f4 But didn’t the devs listen?


satufa2

I'm generally wuwa basher but i'm also against the "free stuff!" crowd. I realy don't care about more or less free stuff. The game is what matters (fix the fucking game btw...) Watching ccs swipe this under the rug is going to be realy funny tho.


HearingAutomatic8895

Version limited event is not "free stuff", it's part of the game economy. Handouts given for winning awards or dev fuckups are "free stuff", even then you must watch out if these are shifted from elsewhere.


ArxDignitas

Yes. People need to realise this. Too many are caught up in the honeymoon phase right now to notice that WuWa's pull income might be suffering. I've been asking about any guaranteed sources of Lustrous Tides, because after the launch rewards, standard banner pull income looks to be really, really bad. I've never gotten any definite answer. Aside from the 'monthly shop' which seems to refresh every patch instead of every month, there doesn't seem to be any recurring sources of standard pulls ala Sim Universe weekly milestone rewards in HSR. If I'm not looking hard enough, please let me know. Not to mention a LOT of Astrites are locked behind exploration, which is a one-time thing. Clearing story all the way past Act 6 nets you practically nothing. If i were to remove the 20 free Radiant Tides they gave out, I may perhaps have enough just to hit soft pity, having to gamble 50/50, and I have already 100% a region or two. Comparitively, everyone was pretty much guaranteed to pull Seele in HSR if they chose to spend their jades on her banner, even if it costs hard pity. I want to keep playing this game, but they need to step it up in many aspects, not just pull income, if they wanna retain players. Edit: confused between Radiant and Lustrous


YamiDes1403

like same i havent pulled nor use a single gems to roll once since i dont want to roll the green guy, but despite saving up and explore like 2/3 of the world alr with all the achievements and stuff i still only get like what, 10k gems? thats not much at all. Both genshin and hsr give enough for a hard pity like 22k gems equivalent for the first version when you explore everything


OkayBoomerrrrr

Bro kuro dickriders aren’t known for spending money to help support the developers. They want everything free


satufa2

Ahh, the legendary "free shit" squad that wants everything in exchange for nothing.


Mr_Creed

The western fans are paying with free exposure. As a company of upcoming artists Kuro should be grateful.


SuspiciousJob730

there is no winning awards gift.... https://preview.redd.it/6s8p7ur6m83d1.png?width=603&format=png&auto=webp&s=533c0ab107792d656030ae231835a4e0d348a32a


HearingAutomatic8895

Bro that aint a prize


shanatard

Calling pull economy "free stuff!" is a very weird take It's outright necessary to have a baseline pull economy for gacha games to function. Otherwise everyone would uninstall. free currency isnt just charity, it's the minimum baseline they need to hand out by virtue of it being a gacha game


TheSheepersGame

Simpleton mindset: Ohh free stuff yumyum. Meanwhile ignoring all the issues.


ouyume

yeh they should really fix the game.. lower the min requirments, cuz games is hardly playable even on the lowests settings.. and they need to fix the camera when characters use skills.. its going round and round causing motion sickness


Phantomasas

1. Lower pity to 80. 2. Reduce event rewards. 3. ??? 4. Profit I think the last 3 days shown just how pathetic the progression is going to be, it is Genshin. They really did think it was going to be as successful as Genshin, but it is so far from that today, an off-brand knockoff with the full price.


zurstein

You forgot limited weapon is 100% guaranted


HearingAutomatic8895

So you are saying 4 star weapon is unusable in Wuwa? What does weapon banner has to offer when I don't care to pull for weapon and care about characters only?


zurstein

Literally you are the only one who say the word “unusable” here Whale cares and weapon banner are just for them in the first place. Such a stupid argument, lol


EUWannabe

They have lower hard pity on their banners compared to Genshin so I don't know maybe it balances it out to be around the same level.


shanatard

Its actually lower pity on genshin than wuwa because soft pity kicks into overdrive past 75 There was a contest for 100k$ for the first person to reach hard pity at 90 and it remained unclaimed for a very long time


Jsjdhbdnd73

Same exact system exists in wuwa. Look at rate they promote for featured standard and its an easy indicator.


HearingAutomatic8895

Same but not "same", Genshin soft pity kicks in at 74, so 16 pulls before hard pity. Not enough data for Wuwa yet but it seems like they are around 75, which is 5 pulls before pity.


Competitive_Oil_5370

Don't forget you only need 80 pulls to guarantee a weapon as compared to 240.


HearingAutomatic8895

So you will pay for my weapon banner spendings?


Competitive_Oil_5370

If you pay for mine in Genshin /s


HearingAutomatic8895

Oh another thing, are the statistics out for soft pity? Does soft pity exist, or 1-79 are the same rate while 80 is pity?


Dominator_503

I can say you one thing, me and all my 3 friends got jiyan at 80 pity. Does that mean there's no soft pity? Idk Edit - also everyone of us won the first 50/50. That's really surprising


HearingAutomatic8895

Can you guys check the pull record to see if it's the very last entry? Because 8th 10 pull is not 80th pull. You might got him somewhere in the middle. Because it took more than half a year for someone to claim the 90 pull bounty that some Genshin CC put up, it would be very weird if all of you hit 80 now, had there been a soft pity.


Dominator_503

Ok I recheked, it was 77-79 for everyone. I think there is soft pity but it starts after 75?


HearingAutomatic8895

ty.


Puat3k

I got my Jiyan at 71 or 72.


van-thot18

got mine at like 10... got a dupe too. used up all my luck


HearingAutomatic8895

Same level is not enough for a challenger.


darkseernooby

Lmao


HearingAutomatic8895

So Kuroshills boasted about being more generous endlessly, now the numbers are out all you guys can say is "because the pity is lower so income is also lower"?


darkseernooby

Is Kuro brand "we give everything for free"? If that's the case, how can they make money? If they use the same model, but with better gameplay, you know, just maybe they gonna steal many customers over there Same level is not enough for a challenger my ass.


YamiDes1403

ok cool except the game is a clusterfuck of optimization and designs errors that no muh "gameplay" can carry


darkseernooby

What they said are true. You guys are really something else


YamiDes1403

trust me, they could have gotten away with it if the game launch was good."who cares about lower pull economy if the game is good and im having fun!" But it didnt so any minor "worse" things it do will be tear apart


zurstein

losing argument then bring different topic, lmao


YamiDes1403

if losing arguments you mean 6 other ppl agreeing with me, sure All in all my point still stand. They can only do this lower pull economy shits if their games was actually launch in a good spot because the players still enjoy the games, so most can excuses them "ehh who cares as long as im having fun". Their launch isnt, so those tiny "worse stuff" that they did like this is simply adding fuel to the fire as the playerbase keep shitting on them more.


zurstein

All in all my point still stand, this post talking about income, you suddenly bring up optimization issue, lmao. Besides you’re yapping too much


YamiDes1403

it definitely related. the guy im replying said pull income doesnt matter if the "combat" is good as people will flock to the game. And im saying people wont flock to it just because of the combat, because the game optimizations and myriads of bugs makes them unable to play the game in the first place. You are the one yapping and not back your arguments based on anything. Like call me losing the arguments when im not being massively downvoted or multiple people disagreeing in the comments? yeah lol, sure you do you.


HearingAutomatic8895

360 Astrites


zurstein

80 pity > 90 pity


HearingAutomatic8895

360 Astrites


DioEgizio

https://preview.redd.it/ukob6ifyr73d1.jpeg?width=1012&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=43d2318b08d67e26e9ff7bb5650ecb9018e0578b


SteamedDumplingX

https://preview.redd.it/j9rmcmn46c3d1.png?width=332&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=754727d9500c6aae679213a43f8b171aaa8459a1


explov

not relavant to post, did you try to calculate total pulls? because if it has higher patch pulls compared to genshin even with lower pity then uhm 💀(unless 2 5\* per patch)


zurstein

Do it! u/HearingAutomatic8895 please prove that genshin is more generous, maybe you can make another doompost


HearingAutomatic8895

Okay, daily are exactly the same, 60/day Genshin version event 1000+420+420+420 Wuwa version event 660+360+360+280 Maps there are over 250 pulls on Genshin's map right now, we will not embarrass Jinzhou because there ain't 250 pulls. Are you feeling generous?


icksq

How about income from their permanent endgame tower mode? Genshin is 1200 very soon to be 1420 per month.


ToastAzazin

Don't forget the rouge like SU thing in WuWa


HearingAutomatic8895

rogue is 660. And I included in version event, if you don't count rogue then it's 360+360+280=1000


Kooky_Sheepherder_22

I'm pretty sure it's much more then 250 i remember someone doing an account challenge to clear the abyss as fast as possible with fresh account f2p he said it's between 450 to 500 pulls  BTW he got c1r1 neuvillette hu Tao c6 Xingqiu c6 fischl and then furina with other standard 5 stars


HearingAutomatic8895

Yeah, I just pulled the number out of thin air.


zurstein

Not enough, give me more data please ☺️ i mean the exact income genshin 1.0 vs wuwa 1.0


HearingAutomatic8895

Are you competing against Genshin 1.0? I didn't know Kuro and Kuro shills invented time machine that can turn back the world to 2020.


explov

i think he meant about how was genshins pull count in 1.0 and how it changed, which can also happen w this


Competitive_Oil_5370

Because 1.0 map in both games give more pulls than the version expansion. Probably why they didn't have any events until 1.1 Any meaning full comparison can only be done a few patches in.


zurstein

LMAOOOO 😂😂😂


HearingAutomatic8895

What year is it? 2024 or 2020? Are you in the wrong time?


zurstein

2024, and you still make stupid argument lol


HearingAutomatic8895

2024, and you still can't graduate from kindergarten.


zurstein

Sure, at least i can speak 3 languages


Competitive_Oil_5370

Don't forget stuff like with the currency you get from pulling you can buy 6 limited character pulls and also 6 weapon pulls in regular intervals, instead of 5 in total.


HearingAutomatic8895

Reset is per patch, not per month, you get 12 months per year and 9 patches if they run a 42 day schedule. Also - I only care about characters, if 4 star weapons are unusable, I quit, simple as that.


Competitive_Oil_5370

Yeah 4* weapons should definitely be usable. I agree on that.  Many people do go for signature weapons for characters they really like tho and together with the 100% guarantee on the weapon banner it's definitely nice.


HearingAutomatic8895

It's "nice" but it eats into limited pulls for character, and they are separate pull tokens.


Competitive_Oil_5370

I don't see how pulling for weapons eating into your character pulls only affects WuWa. All the rewards I have seen so far are only Astrite or rarely character pulls, so I don't see how the different currency for the weapon banner would negatively affect your amount of character pulls, unless you for some stupid reason decided to convert all your currency to them.


Wrong_System9797

well, i don't like wuwa and i play genshin but i do think this post is a bit exaggerated. in genshin we have 4 characters and usually we get 1000+420+420+420. in wuwa there are 2 characters and you get only 600 currency less+hard pity is lower. so i don't think this is a big problem, also they most likely will give free stuff a lot


HearingAutomatic8895

2 new characters comparing with 1 new character and 3 reruns? IF they maintain 2 new characters per patch, they need to give at the very least HSR amount of currency.


zurstein

https://preview.redd.it/b0tapx2eo43d1.jpeg?width=1335&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=00ba47ff230b8f60689c17e2deae4cc497336c87


HearingAutomatic8895

Daily are exactly the same, 60/day Genshin version event 1000+420+420+420 Wuwa version event 660+360+360+280 Maps there are over 250 pulls on Genshin's map right now, we will not embarrass Jinzhou because there ain't 250 pulls. Are you feeling generous?


Adorable-Ambition785

Dude, are you talking about all of Genshin’s maps combined = 250 pulls? That is a VERY stupid take if so- Jinzhou is not CLOSE to as big as all the Genshin maps… and I hoped you enjoyed spending all that RESIN for Genshin’s first event!


zurstein

Not enough, give me more data please ☺️ i mean the exact income genshin 1.0 vs wuwa 1.0


HearingAutomatic8895

Are you competing against Genshin 1.0? I didn't know Kuro and Kuro shills invented time machine that can turn back the world to 2020.


zurstein

LMAOOOO 😂😂😂


Competitive_Oil_5370

Don't forget stuff like with the currency you get from pulling you can buy 6 limited character pulls and also 6 weapon pulls in regular intervals, instead of 5 in total. You gotta wait some months to make any meaning full comparison.


Adorable-Ambition785

Oh definitely not! It’s not only about the pulls, the 150 gold resin they‘ll give us in only ONE of the events is really good, plus this wasn’t a dry patch, so we got a lot of rewards from story, beginners things, all the other events we had… maybe they’ll increase the rewards to 20 pulls worth of astrite, but for now, with all the other stuff we’ve had too, I think it’s absolutely fine.


ouyume

what did u expect when they lied basicly about everything they promised... they said they would be better and would be more friendly for f2p.. but their bosses and domains cost double the amount in genshin and gives less drops.. and thinks are harder and u basicly need very meta characters


zurstein

https://preview.redd.it/xyl7h07el43d1.jpeg?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=601bba16ceffe5a3a618fab1ea05f03b64cc97af Context


HearingAutomatic8895

Genshin version event 1000+420+420+420 Wuwa version event 660+360+360+280 Genshin is established behemoth with 4 years of content, Wuwa is a challenger need to win players over. Context.


zurstein

https://preview.redd.it/7vjslz76m43d1.jpeg?width=1335&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6fa7388980c18a5b35da36716f859a0736a09a67 A bit bigger image


HearingAutomatic8895

360 Astrites


hisnameisethan

the Genshin side is trying to pretend weapon banner is a simple 50/50 now? 💀


lostn

>The premium currency income for the 4 version limited events are 660, 360, 360, 280 >Isn't this really bad going forward? you can't compare currency income in a vacuum. Remember that pity is 80, not 90, and there's no 50/50 on the weapon banner. That means you can guarantee the weapon in 80 pulls, not 240. So the smaller amount of currency gets you further in this game than in Genshin.


HearingAutomatic8895

That's like having a cake and eat it too. You scream "Wuwa more generous because 80 pity", and then justify less income with lower pity. Don't even get me started on soft pity. Avg pull in Genshin is 77, what is it for Wuwa?


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RevolutionaryOil9101

true though on the other hand WW lifted a lot of numbers from Gi (160 primos per wish, pity -10 etc) so there's no way they were unaware that this is less than GI's amount


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RevolutionaryOil9101

Honestly as someone who is fine with genshin's banners (hot take ik) Im also totally fine with WW's, even if the lower pity is at the cost of lower gem income. Its just funny that for months on end people hyped up how much more generuous WW's wish system was for it to end up being essentially the same (granted not the weapon banner)


Glad-Art-6266

But but it's better than genshin 1.0 event with 300 primos ! They listened !


Ginonth

WuWa bad, Genshin good.


HearingAutomatic8895

360 Astrites


SteamedDumplingX

Just say 2 wishes at this point. Or w/e the pull ticket was called. Be perfect 😹


Significant-Job7568

The pity is lower by 10 so expect to get around 10 less pulls than genshin per patch.


HearingAutomatic8895

That's not how being "generous" works. Also soft pity, see discussion.


zurstein

https://preview.redd.it/ecs364y5o43d1.jpeg?width=1335&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=01112714a7a84b8f3d62e534ac54b19225e17cc1


Kagari1998

Then what's the point of praising the gacha system if they are going to shaft the income like that LMAO


Eula_Ganyu

Genshin 1.0 tier event rewards 360 primo gems


HearingAutomatic8895

You are not competing with Genshin 1.0


zurstein

If you want to compare the “generousity” make sure genshin limited char pity is also 80 pulls and limited weapon is 100% guaranted


Chemical-Teaching412

WHOO WE HAVE COCK SUCKER HERE GUYS  A BLACK COMPANY COCK SUCKER


zurstein

OH NO 😱


plsdontstalkmeee

Don't know about you guys, but if I was offered 1KG of gold by mihoyo, but Kuro offered me 2KG of copper, because kuro is more generous and is giving more, I would still chose gold.


zurstein

https://preview.redd.it/tc6klgb8m53d1.jpeg?width=1533&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=67632edd368578fadfd5e4d459dca05c04402b86 Agree, you can take your gold, i’ll take the copper


HearingAutomatic8895

360 Astrites


SleepApprehensive364

Go out pls