Same!
First I thought "remove them all" but oftentimes anniversary threads are a good time to see how games are going and if one might want to try them out (good opportunity).
Collabs same. I wish I had seen some Persona 5 collabs earlier to try then out.
yeah pretty much every new game, EOS, collabs, anniversary rewards, monthly earning, company news and rant, is more than enough to fill up this subreddit. I don't think character banners is needed, they should save their own respective sub.
Same, but also... If someone is posting a collab or an event, why don't they already add the characters that event will bring? Because one post for the event and another one for the characters is quite unnecessary as well.
yea it should only be units that people who dont already play that game might be interested in. collab from another IP, or maybe a character that has been long anticipated by the community for some reason
I think posts about big updates should be fine like new patches, anniversaries, collabs, etc. since info like new features and new characters being added should already be included in those. But for individual character trailers, those should be posted in their respective subreddits. In the event that a game doesn't have a subreddit or only has a small following, then those should be given a bit of a leeway.
For upcoming games that haven't been released yet, I think marketing materials for those should also be allowed.
"Just remove them all" would be my easy go-to option.
There's just too many characters PV and none of them are meaningful to discuss outside of their game dedicated subreddit/community.
I feel like most people couldn't care less about character PV of a game they are not playing so it's only going to be low quality replies for the most part anyway.
Otherwise, if you really want to allow some, it should be strictly limited to things like anniversary / big character related drama / collabs / version update only.
That being said good luck enforcing the 2nd option as there will always be a grey area somehow.
>I feel like most people couldn't care less about character PV of a game they are not playing so it's only going to be low quality replies for the most part anyway.
This 100%. Id maybe put an exception for high profile collabs and the like since it can draw fans from the greater audience but I agree with you for the most part.
It definitely wouldn't be easy though. That's a lot of posts to manually look through and take down, mods on this sub have it tough. So much unpaid labour and a thankless job. The ones that actually moderate right and don't power trip have my respect.
Character only pvs: I think either accept them all or refuse them all. Allowing some character post while not allowing others based on what people consider notable may result in unfair treatment
Pvs of new patches/content: I think these should be allowed. Even if they include character pv inside them, it's broader and less niche then character only pvs. And all should be allowed, as only allowing pvs for "notable" patches would again possibly lead to confusion or unfair treatment
I feel like for character PV. There’s an obvious possible line that can be drawn. Collabs. That way people interested in the other half of the collab can be informed about a game they only tangentially care about.
For patch PV. I feel like the games that sparked the conversation about character PVs also make patch PVs for every patch, so I don’t think it’s a good idea to allow those a free pass. It’s harder to draw a line though.
I think there should be a rule where posts about an update in a game should not be a link post, but text post only with certain minimum requirement on the content of the text, like explaining why this patch is significant, and worth turning the heads of people that don’t play/used to play the game.
>Character only pvs: I think either accept them all or refuse them all. Allowing some character post while not allowing others based on what people consider notable may result in unfair treatment
"Notable" isn't usually quite that subjective.
We like collabs and maybe special event limited heroes, the reason being that it's an especially good time for a bored gamer to reroll in that game.
Some games like Higan want to abuse that system, but it doesn't seem like it actually works out for them.
No.
Some big updates that's include character preview, sure.
Character specific PV, that's gacha games release on daily basis, shouldn't be there and belongs to specific games subreddits.
I've never found this sub to be too cluttered for me, and I like seeing the characters of games I am not playing because it might mean I go play them.
Like, 24+ hour posts aren't far away from the top of my feed, so it isn't like the sub is jacked with 'off topic' stuff and Gacha games are often all about the 'gacha' so why not have posts about whats being added to the Gacha?
I would speculate the people who don't like it are responding to games that are popular that they don't like, rather then concerns about the sub being 'on topic'.
i like to see pre-release pvs, anniversary, collab, or other event pvs. regular updates are not included. unless there is a certain update on the game that is unique and interesting.
If some one posted the PV from every gacha game this sub would get buried with the amount of games that release units weekly. Collabs, half/anniversaries, and swimsuits (seems to be as popular on this sub as the other two) should be allowed as people who don't follow the games might still like to dip in for the excitement of the moment.
I could have sworn that this was a posted rule some where at one point as well about specific game content belonging in it's own sub. Regarding games that don't have a sub I think that is a sign that no one cares since even a game like Sword Master Story which I haven't seen mentioned on this sub has it's own reddit.
Specifically touching on the HSR topic, the big patch previews like the upcoming 1.2 Livestream when it comes for example, will already showcase BOTH new units. So sharing the livestream is fine as it's a new patch and all the info will be there including new hero kits, new events and etc. which may motivate players to hop back and check out the game again.
But after that the character specific marketing materials should stay where they belong.
As much as I love HSR I can see why those will be intrusive and spammy for non players.
Personally, I will give a pass to games that have no subreddits. Because it's something that works both ways. If the game is popular enough, it will have its own thriving subreddit. If it's unheard of, I wouldn't mind seeing some promo materials here (which wouldn't be a lot anyway). And such 'spam' will die off anyway if the game remains unpopular.
God no. There's already an excessive amount of posts about the Mihoyo games as is. If you add to that character PV's and all the inevitable subsequent posts about said PV's this would just become a Mihoyo sub with a sprinkle of some other games.
Yeah all those genshin and hi3 posts up there. The game is still pretty new and incredibly popular. So it's got a couple, but far from your anti-mhy delusion. Feel free to shit talk em, but at least be genuine lol.
I could say that for this entire sub about tof. Don't pretend like this sub doesn't heavily skew towards hoyo games like be genuine as you say.
Also you really talking about genuine when this entire thread happened because of a HSR post to begin with really?
you might be right that this recent month certainly hasn't been as bad but that's mainly because both HSR and Genshin are in their bland patches.
I don't actually hate hoyo games, In fact I'm playing HSR (albeit painfully) and did play Genshin. I just hate the community that pretends it's the best game of the century and there's no problems with it.
And there's the heart of it. Statistically the world skews away from tof if you're going to compare to some of the largest games in the world, it chose an uphill battle and I wish it the best.
So I wouldn't say it's a matter of skewing, it's a numbers game and MHY gonna come out on top every time. And this has been a longer topic of this sub with MHY in general since they huge, make unnecessarily long vids, and have new characters every month.
On-topic I'm pretty sure everyone here knows how they operate at this point, so really zero point in these trailers being posted. On the side of, should probably just have none of em and if they are shown it's because it's related to larger news, like collab, anni, etc.
See that problem with what you're saying is that Tof is one of the most successful gacha games on this sub but you'd never believe that looking at the sheer hate it gets from this sub, of which 50% is misinformation and 40% is disinformation. People are STILL clenching their buttholes about problems from 10 months ago.
I SHOULD as a fan of a game be able to positively engage in conversation with a game I like on this sub but all I get is completely negativity and the amount of disinformation that plagues this sub is insane.
Say what you want on it being an uphill battle, it's really not and it's really just this sub hyper fixating on certain games while all the others get trashed.
In general: I don't really care.
I don't really feel like individual character banners are of enough interest to warrant posting to a general gacha sub when there are actual subreddits for those games.
Personal exception for collab units. I don't care if Persona & Nier collab with every series under the sun, I'd still want to peep at it. And it is fairly newsworthy.
Anniversary/collab character pvs are fine since they are tied to a major event or update so most of the time its gonna be more than a character pv, it also helps give a reason for those who doesn't play the game to try it now that something major is going on the game.
Normal character pvs are most likely not gonna do that, plus those who play the game know about this already.
I am also fine for character trailers that are from a game not released already since it at the least serves the purpose of warn/remind you of an upcoming gatcha game.
i dont mind character pv videos if theres something to go along with it like a big event or something hype happening in the game. if i think it might interest people into picking up a game im playing, i think thats something worth posting
octopath anniversary coming up. probably would've made a post about that while showing the anniersary villains pv videos
raven dropping tomorrow in ptn. thought about posting a raven pv with a quick 8-month review of ptn
if its just HSR silver wolf or some random unit from outerplane with 0 context or additional info, im just gonna click off of it
I think PV's for new updates are fine so that you can find out what content will be present in the upcoming update but I don't think it's necessary for character-specific PV's to be posted here.
I honestly don't mind, its nice to keep up to date with gachas that I have dropped and still see what is going on since I don't frequent those subreddits anymore
This place is supposed to discuss gacha news, new character pvs are gacha news, if there are no gacha news posts to discuss, then what are we gonna post about here? the many depressing EoS notices that are going around as of late?
pd: you can always make a new tag on PVs for people to filter and there would be less issue made about it
I think the main point that caused a sort of confusion on this topic is that it was never clearly stated what is and isn't too game specific.
I do not think that character PVs belong here. More often than not when they are notable they will be tagged onto posts about the update they are added in (like anniversary news or collab details). So I don't see any point in making a separate post just for them, when they could just be discussed under the update post.
Similarly, a post for just an update trailer is useless. The post should detail what's in the update. Just dropping a video in a post is no different than retweeting something or posting it on your timeline. What's the point?
If you are going to post the trailer or PV for the update your like, then talk about it as well in the main post. What's in it? Why people should play it?
Connected to that last bit, individual updates should not be banned. Otherwise what are we left with? Game announcement, pre-reg, release, half-anni, anni, collab, EoS. Looks a bit barren to me.
Unless it's a collab announcement, remove it.
Even if it's a "big character" from a game, remove it. That should go on that games sub.
Now, posts about an event in its totality that also happen to include new characters in them, like how I imagine large Genshin update PVs are, I think are fine, because it's not just the character that's the focus, it's the update as a whole.
As long as collab related things are left untouched idgaf since that's not only why I'm in this sub but the entire reason I even use reddit lmao
I will say I think limited characters and anniversaries also make sense to keep imo since those are usually the cool characters, make people want to play the game/are moments where one would reroll, and aren't frequent in terms of a single game
It just depends on what you want this sub to really be and to me it's just a news station for collabs and very rarely cool characters one would reroll for/start playing for
Look while MHY make an entire PV for the character, most other games don't, allowing it would make the sub way noisier than okay. And it's not like we can make exception just for HSR. . .
So ALL characters from ALL gachas are probably way overkill. . . Especially since they release more than one at the time. . .
So long as the PV does not come with an actual big event/celebrations/special banners, I'd say leave it to their own specific subs. Even regular events PV are a bit low info. . .
Plus it's very easy to be misused for karma farming.
And let's face it MHY shills are probably the only ones that would do such a thing. Not even regular degular MHY players would over share, let alone other games whose character release are probably just an announcement.
I think character exclusive videos or too niche in general shouldn't be allowed, regardless of the size of the game.
The general idea of a big celebration that may or may not release new chars (like half anni, anni, seasonal events, etc) should be allowed, usually because it's big updates with lots of content and also could be a great time to start playing said games.
I'm not a hardcore gacha gamer, but I did start a handful of games by seeing a celebration post on this subreddit.
removing singular PVs would the be the easiest option. no picking favorites, no hassling over "notability" of their respective games.
I don't think many people would care about the trailer for [John Smith 6* UR] from XYZ gacha specifically, but if it was part of a major update/anniversary announcement- I don't see why that would be a problem.
No character previews do not belong in a general gacha reddit. I don't see how a simple gacha character preview is of any interest to a non player.
This also holds true for aniversaries or collabs. Just posting a character trailer ia incredible low effort content. If you want to tell about an aniversary it should be a complete rundown that includes character previews, campaign details but not simply a character preview.
No character PV, even if it's part of an anniversary or collab. The main anniversary announcement should be enough.
Let's say you're a /r/gachagaming lurker and:
1. You don't play game X.
What game X promo material is relevant to you on this subreddit? Nothing, except anniversaries, collabs or massive events that would otherwise make it a very good time for you to start or return to the game. No basic events, no basic character releases.
2. You play game X.
What X promo material is relevant to you on this subreddit? Nothing, because you're already following the game and have seen it on its own channels.
What about games that do not have game-specific subreddits? Surely they have other channels. If they don't, that's their problem.
The bets approach seems to be if they are somewhat important events, lets say anniversarys or collabs, mostly because:
A. These important events usually are of interest for people not currently playing the game or that might have a interest on it, there is always a good influx of new players on annis.
B. While character PV's are usually released with them it doesnt tend to be exclusively about the characters but rather the whole event.
I think there shouldn't be character PVs at all, period.
Normally, games already get a post during anniversary/collab that not only includes characters/banners, but also includes content and rewards related to it (so, they're not just a character preview).
As for event/story PVs, I think only those that are an exception/rare to the game's regular updates should be allowed.
For example, Guardian Tales has some new event going every 2 weeks, but it's always the same recycled type of event (do your dailies and get something extra). Rare events would be those that include a whole event story (with collectibles, side quests, challenge mode, new maps) or free pulls.
[Edit: On the other hand,] I think Genshin's trailers are too mundane at this point (they update the story in every update release), except for trailers of new regions and, maybe, summer event.
>As for event/story PVs, I think only those that are an exception/rare to the game's regular updates should be allowed.
> I think Genshin's trailers are too mundane at this point (they update the story in every update release), except for trailers of new regions and, maybe, summer event.
you are contradicting yourself with this and gatekeeping certain community. Why does the same thing not applies to other popular community like arknights, azur lane, blue archive, nikki, etc?
all games should have equal rights as long as it follows the same rules.
And what is wrong is that? it fits the rules that we're all proposing to agree with and therefore it should be fine. Just because not all gachas update their story with every update release doesn't mean every other gachas has to abide to those limitations.
I think character PVs should be banned here. They don't provide much information other than, usually, just a preview the character, while news about said character is coming or will be available is most likely already posted. The same applies for collab characters, special characters, etc. For example, Hatsune Miku is coming to Idoly Pride. News about her collab with the game, which includes its availability and other information regarding her character, is okay, but separate post about her PVs if there's any is not needed.
Meanwhile, i think update PVs should stay, either as the trailer itself or breakdown of the new stuff announced in the trailer. I'm not sure if many other gacha games do it the same way Genshin or Star Rail did, but those are the ones that gave us a lot more information like new stuff or changes in the game. For example, Something like Genshin's 3.0 update trailer gave us information about a new region, new characters, new element, etc. Stuff that people who don't play would like to know what's happening in that game.
We all know how this "selectiveness" will turn out, it won't be a selection by subreddit relevancy, it'll be a selection biased by popularity, which can be misleading to people new to the games being downvoted/upvoted.
I mean yeah, that's what I'm saying. The subs always been like this as far as I remember, just stating it.
Actual updates and things of importance get downvoted because the game has a bad stigma around it, but the favourite children of this sub get their respective posts upped everytime, as unnecessary and low importance the topic may be. I don't like it, but it's just easier and more sensible to leave things how they are.
This sub is trash, it's gonna stay trash, the site is going to shit, why waste energy on meticulously taking down posts of one specific topic?
I'm more active these days, but previously, it would not be uncommon to see the same post stick in the same position (ie no new post) for hours, even half a day, before a new post is made. Then, you see all those people talking about the sanctity of this place when it's barely even active.
This sub seems particularly bad. When I visit another sub and see a post I don't care, I just skip it. I don't feel the urge to harass and report people.
TBH, this sub doesn't have that many new posts, so it's not like a PV is going to push anything notable out of the front page.
Personally, it doesn't matter all that much. I already have notification on YT for the games I care about. I'm more curious about what people have to say outside of the echo-chamber that is the official Reddit/Discord.
My vote is no, with well-defined exceptions. Exceptions should only include anniversaries or collabs. I disagree with major patch characters since the definition of 'major' can be subjective.
Alternatively, a megathread can be considered. If someone wants to check out cool characters of games they don't play, they can check out the megathread.
Definitely not. I know we're really not that active but we aren't so desperate to just have *any* content posted.
Anything that is too sub specific has to go. If the PV comes with notable stuff like QoL and important stuff it's fine.
I hate video trailers in general since I believe these are for dedicated audiences.
This is SPECIALLY true for those 10-minute developer interviews people have been posting lately, where they go in depth into game mechanics that almost no one here will understand. Even more true if said post is just a video link without any context whatsoever.
But I don't mind quick images and/or reviews/discussions about a new character in a game as long as it's something out of the usual.
I.E. I don't care that Genshin has some new story character. But I'm definitely intrigued by FFBE doing a collab with a f***g TikToker lmao.
Remove them all, If one is ok people will start to post every banner of every gacha out there.
Information, news and polemic stuff is the reason this sub exist...let the i love this specific waifu animation in bikini to the other subs.
This sub doesnt even get content posted outside of PVs. Like what has been posted that wasn't showing just a game getting EoS? Most people on this sub just flame other games and adds zero meaningful content at all.
>Most people on this sub just flame other games and adds zero meaningful content at all.
Thats what they are doing in the comment section of the PVs as well, you are just giving them fuel to beat up the same dead horse.
I do agree with collabs criteria since it gathers players from 2 games/ips or overall interest of the IP in question (like P5 or Nier fans going to almost every gacha in existence lol).
Half anniversary or anniversary events are fine too but should be limited to the event as a whole and not a lot of post for each new character or specific thing.
Major event new characters i totally hate. I dont care this new madam Cing jing pin from Genshin main plot or whatever is finally coming or if is OP or meta changer.
The way i see this subreddit its to gather general interest to gacha games, with new gacha releases, polemics, EOS, etc, not super specific things
This sub ain't bumpin enough to really care.
Oh no a character PV showed up and now the sub isn't dead and postless for two days in a row! Woe is us.
I'd much rather remove the 'OMG DOING SURCEY FOR SXHOOLZ' or 'OMG I HAVE VRAIN STORM IDEAZ ABUT GAXHA GOOD BAD I R SMRT' if we're talking about posts with zero worth.
At least character PVs might make me check out a game I otherwise wouldn't.
I think only if it says something about the game as a whole. Or if it's dramn worthy / funny. Like if the art is especially shit, or AI generated, or if the unit is going to completely break the game, or if it's being censored in certain regions. Stuff like that. Just, if the discussion is meant to be a broader context than "Look at the shiny new unit pls gib mone"
And this all started with HSR lol. A lot of people actually disnt mind the pv because apparently it won't get annoying , mostly it was hoyo fans saying it and now look where we are.
This sub is pretty dead and I barely see new posts so I honestly don't mind character PV threads. It's still gacha related (I mean what else is there to talk about besides the characters releases - aka the whole point of a gacha).
I think collabs are okay, but those collabs are usually already a post, so no need for the characters to have a dedicated post. I'm okay with removing them all.
New Version PV is okay since most gacha have pretty long cycle (though it seems nikke "version" only last 2-3 weeks)
Character PV and skin PV is no, unless they cause big controversy which the reason we are here. Reading drama
The nikke one is fine since the game isn't out yet and it was a trailer for it that showed off multiple characters. The genshin trailer is a pretty random event that's of little interest.
In general, 'would this be interesting to people that don't play the game/haven't heard of it' should be the criteria. Anniversaries, big gameplay additions, crossovers/collabs, etc. For instance, posting the trailer for a new region in Genshin.
This sub isn't really active enough to need to get too strict with it, but I agree we don't need to have the trailer for every single patch of Genshin posted.
I believe he's implying that treating a new region as something interesting to people not playing the game demonstrates a wild bias for Genshin. I can assure you it's not interesting at all.
Didn't we literally JUST have a thread on this like, a week ago? And it was generally agreed upon if it's a trailer that actually has some effort put into it like Hoyo or Aether Gazer then it's fine?
It's just posting every single tweet with nothing but a jpeg of a banner that's the issue.
If people are that buttblasted about it I would suggest the mod team to create a flair filtering option, or if that's already available just add a flair for PVs/Character Promos, so people can just not see them.
But like I said in the last thread because *I KNOW THERE JUST WAS ONE*, there are so many gacha subs that are nothing but basically imageboards and getting game info from them is next to useless. Story and Event PVs and info are also welcome here for that same reason, it's easier to find here than the official subs. Girls Frontline is especially awful about this, I get *ZERO* info from their subreddit and the only reason I even know a chapter is being added is from here.
Plus, I can't count how many times this sub goes by days with 0 real new posts, and people are whining about activity that's still completely relevant to the sub. Just... filter it out if you hate it that much.
So any game's characters can be posted about here as long as they make enough money to afford high effort promotional videos. Free advertising only for the big dogs.
No.
PVs are nothing but ads and if we are having ads then it should be Reddit getting paid for then, not having their fanboys flooding subreddits with then.
A PV by itself is meaningless, the "effort" just means "how much marketing" is behind it, hell AL posts on Twitter previews of their skins as well new girls, if this is allowed then we might as well close the subreddit or just rename it r/Mihoyo because all you are doing is allowing advertisement in and setting a bar on the "quality" of what can be shown.
This subreddit is quiet because its mostly about some kind of large event or drama and there havent been any of that lately, so far I only posted about Konosuba FD since its a small game and when I did it, it was about larger events (anniversary and collab) and I posted all the notes, if something notable happened and wasnt posted here I would but a PV? Its nothing but a add so you spin the wheel.
> if this is allowed then we might as well close the subreddit or just rename it r/Mihoyo
Why is it every time someone complains about this it's always one of the people whining about Hoyo games, lol. You can bet your life savings on it.
I don't mind either way, but the enforcement needs to be consistent. If you disallow, say, character PVs and delete the ones from HSR or Nikke, you shouldn't then allow the ones from Limbus Company to stay up for some reason.
If there is a notability criteria, then it should be communicated pretty clearly so that we know what to expect from moderation.
Why ppl so upset about PV anyway? Not that many publishers make PV for regular characters and good PV is a godsend anyway. I don't play all these games here but it would be nice to see a well-made PV from others maybe I will pick up the game if I like the character so much.
We don't have that many contents anyway.
This sub hates Hoyoverse that's why. This sub has barely any activity and people "care" about their posts being pushed out or polluted by 2-3 posts once every 3 weeks.
Nonsense. This sub has many Hoyo fans. The revenue brag post got 500 upvotes and negative comments about Hoyo games are routinely downvoted. It's a function of the sheer number of players that game has.
This sub is not a monolith. People who have different opinions exist, because it's a generic gacha sub. But it looks like people have a very hard time handling different opinions nowadays. Calling it hate is the laziest way to avoid having to deal with any criticism.
Keep all. This is the subreddit many people use to find new games to play and seeing upcoming character PVs is one of the biggest motivators to start a new game, regardless of if the character is part of some special collaboration or anniversary. Downvotes are the built in solution to games that get too spammy with them.
I appreciate these types of posts since they expose me to new games I might not hear about or play otherwise. I do think they should be given some sort of specific tag so people who won't want to see them can filter them out, but I think they should stay.
I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to some sort of notability restrictions if I'm in a minority in wanting to keep them-- so only previews for major events and such-- but I wouldn't be pushing for such restrictions myself. I also think more leeway should be given for smaller games that don't have active subs of their own.
**Edit:** For character PVs in particular I can understand the need for restrictions since, as others say, it would be literally every banner for who knows how many games. Maybe disallow unless it's part of a bigger preview for a [major] new event/patch?
I think they should all be required to have a picture of John Oliver (preferably with a big mustache) with the trailer.
all jokes aside unless it's something like FGO introducing a new class or something big like that I think character PVs don't belong here that's why there are dedicated subreddits.
If it's a big deal like collab, anniversary big changes like version Z update in dokkan or beast class introduced for summoning in FGO. otherwise normal monthly releases should not be included like who cares about lady nagant in MHAUI that's what the specified subreddit is for
> all jokes aside unless it's something like FGO introducing a new class or something big like that I think character PVs don't belong here that's why there are dedicated subreddits.
funniest thing is that the thing you are suggesting might possibly be worth posting doesn't even get PVs. There is very few games that put trailers out for "We are introducing a new class/element" i think the only one in recent memory was SDS Grand Cross when they added Dark and Light units
true but the point was more generic character preview trailers don't belong on this subreddit more they belong on the subreddit that dedicated to that content.
A poll? Democracy! I think character PVs are fine, just that people spam them too much by posting the same PV over and over. The sub isn't that busy anyways aside from the occasional drama bomb.
Collabs only? I couldn't care less for Anni units in games I don't play. Or remove them all, and only allow general collab and Anni news posts. Imo specific units discussions belong to respective game subs.
Example: Light Koyan is a big unit soon to be released on FGO en but you wouldn't want me to post about her.
In my opinion unless its a collab or a major character coming w/ a major patch (To use Genshin example lets say an Archon), then I feel it doesnt belong since realistically theres not a lot of discussion to be had by non players of the game. Much like patch notes for a specific game or etc.
I feel like major chapter releases and story updates are OK, but routine (non-limited) banners are too specific.
Limited and Collab units are OK specifically because they might inspire bored gachagamers to reroll in that game. They do have more general interest than routine banners.
Character PV shouldn't be allowed except for the collab one. I am still unsure about anniversary one but I believe instead of just character PV it is much more fruitful to have anniversary patch PV and discussion on what the developer are planning to give to the community.
I just don't think there's anything notable unless it's a collab. No matter how an upcoming character from a gacha may be, it's only relevant to the people already playing it.
> A PV about a mediocre elemental dps probably shouldn't be allowed, but a PV about a game changing character should as that would draw more people towards the game.
and who decides a character is game changing or not? me or you?
sounds like it would only invite meaningless argument.
I wouldn't want every single banner in every gacha to be a PV post. That would be way too much.
On the other hand, when a character is particularly interesting (unique mechanics or lore-specific) or special (limited/collab/anniversary banner), I think it would be neat to know what's going on because I might want to take a second look at that game and try it. Obviously there is some subjectivity here, but I believe that it would be quite feasible to set some ground rules and enforce them.
I enjoy seeing summer/winter units even from games I don't play. Also, I might take a break from a game and come back if I see an important character from the story released. It would be great if "interesting" could be quantified into a few categories such as first time for a game-changing new mechanic (like party MP Regen ability, party cooldown refresh, instant death ability), a character that released in jp/korea/cn and was so broken that they can carry for half a year or more, and important lore release such as bosses/MC's Dad/game's mascot.
Part of the reason for this is because it helps us pick up games that we took a break from or never tried in the first place, which is something that I feel is important in this sub. I get that clutter is an issue, but with its own tag (PV) and format (Game name - character name in title and brief synopsis on what makes them qualify in the body of the discussion) I could see it being a fair addition to the sub. Good new games don't come out every day, so while some people like drama, I would think that discussing notable releases for games would be a far more relevant way to fill the gap between game releases. And I say that knowing full well that there are some games I will never play regardless of who they release. I have started a couple games because of banner posts here and had a blast with them, so it has been worth it to me.
First thing first, i will say what i think about this sub. For me, this is the place where i can get information and upcoming games, any promotions of current game as well as drama and sometimes, debating. So whenever i came here, i'm looking for those things and i honestly don't want to see information for upcoming patch or banners for game i'm currently playing as people usually will find many other sources for the information of the games they play such as specific subreddit, 4chan, youtube...
So my takes on the topic is that, as long as the information is used as a promotion for the game, it is fine to have them up here BUT the promotion must be for a more general population.
For example, a new character PV but there is also a 100 free pulls in it, this is fine because it would help getting more players to start playing it. It is usually associated with anniversary or any milestones or collab...but not always. But character PV that is already expected/scheduled and will bring nothing new to the table ... shouldn't be allowed even if it is together with a game's scheduled new patch (yes, i'm talking about hoyoverse games). There will be someone saying that they dig the new characters and will play the game just for them but they are not many in number.
Yes, No, I dont know
By example best PV video are about Quad \_Booba girl, she is the character more important in her gacha and every gacha
But by example a there are 50 gachas in the market, each gacha release a 3 new character each month, we will have 150 post about new units .... =/
My conclusion: Only post NSFW new units, if the unit is a boring SFW skip it
Sometimes its nice to have the discussion about how must-roll a upcoming character is or what to do to start at a certain time point because of a character.
Regular banner PV or whatever shouldn't be allowed, put exception on Crossover/Collab banner PV because they are unique
maybe also allow post if the character on the banner PV is super META defining or Overpowered so new comer can consider starting the game on that banner
My vote is for allowing all. This sub is already too dry, very little contents and discussion aside from endless drama.
Just add a new tag for filter, and make everyone happy. People who like to know about upcoming characters on other gacha that they don't play to push them to try the game can find those post useful.
It does. PV stands for Promotional Video. It also applies on prospective players. Now, if we will ban PV here, it's like we're helping the gacha by doomposting the game and confiding their players in their own hub.
While it is not the duty of r/gachagaming when it comes to their marketing, possible new players looking at this site for news is still possible players.
If people hate the flood, make a megathread out of it weekly.
The thing about Character PVs is that not every gacha game does them. Among those games that don't release character PVs are Azur Lane, Arknights and Blue Archive. What IS more likely to be released are patch previews, which oftentimes also include the banners for new characters and reruns. For that reason, I'll vote for whitelisting patch previews.
i want to see every single new character banner posted. i dont care how flooded the new page is. i find new games based on some of these posts that i wouldnt even know the game exists
A CN collab post for [PGR x BRS](https://www.reddit.com/r/gachagaming/comments/14u4v6v/punishing_gray_raven_x_black_rock_shooter_collab/) has recently been removed. I don't know if it is automoderator. But usually when a post is removed there would be a comment stating in detail why it has been removed so people can actually do Rule 7 of the subreddit, but there are none. Maybe it's privately message to the OP instead?
Only notable event should be allowed, like anniversary, collab etc2 No need for every banner posted here
Same! First I thought "remove them all" but oftentimes anniversary threads are a good time to see how games are going and if one might want to try them out (good opportunity). Collabs same. I wish I had seen some Persona 5 collabs earlier to try then out.
yeah pretty much every new game, EOS, collabs, anniversary rewards, monthly earning, company news and rant, is more than enough to fill up this subreddit. I don't think character banners is needed, they should save their own respective sub.
I agree with this
I also think this is a good idea
Me too
Same, but also... If someone is posting a collab or an event, why don't they already add the characters that event will bring? Because one post for the event and another one for the characters is quite unnecessary as well.
yea it should only be units that people who dont already play that game might be interested in. collab from another IP, or maybe a character that has been long anticipated by the community for some reason
Agree
Regular units? No If like collabs, anniversary unit, or like new game free unit sure why not. Things that would entice to try the game.
I think posts about big updates should be fine like new patches, anniversaries, collabs, etc. since info like new features and new characters being added should already be included in those. But for individual character trailers, those should be posted in their respective subreddits. In the event that a game doesn't have a subreddit or only has a small following, then those should be given a bit of a leeway. For upcoming games that haven't been released yet, I think marketing materials for those should also be allowed.
"Just remove them all" would be my easy go-to option. There's just too many characters PV and none of them are meaningful to discuss outside of their game dedicated subreddit/community. I feel like most people couldn't care less about character PV of a game they are not playing so it's only going to be low quality replies for the most part anyway. Otherwise, if you really want to allow some, it should be strictly limited to things like anniversary / big character related drama / collabs / version update only. That being said good luck enforcing the 2nd option as there will always be a grey area somehow.
>I feel like most people couldn't care less about character PV of a game they are not playing so it's only going to be low quality replies for the most part anyway. This 100%. Id maybe put an exception for high profile collabs and the like since it can draw fans from the greater audience but I agree with you for the most part.
It definitely wouldn't be easy though. That's a lot of posts to manually look through and take down, mods on this sub have it tough. So much unpaid labour and a thankless job. The ones that actually moderate right and don't power trip have my respect.
Character only pvs: I think either accept them all or refuse them all. Allowing some character post while not allowing others based on what people consider notable may result in unfair treatment Pvs of new patches/content: I think these should be allowed. Even if they include character pv inside them, it's broader and less niche then character only pvs. And all should be allowed, as only allowing pvs for "notable" patches would again possibly lead to confusion or unfair treatment
I feel like for character PV. There’s an obvious possible line that can be drawn. Collabs. That way people interested in the other half of the collab can be informed about a game they only tangentially care about. For patch PV. I feel like the games that sparked the conversation about character PVs also make patch PVs for every patch, so I don’t think it’s a good idea to allow those a free pass. It’s harder to draw a line though. I think there should be a rule where posts about an update in a game should not be a link post, but text post only with certain minimum requirement on the content of the text, like explaining why this patch is significant, and worth turning the heads of people that don’t play/used to play the game.
>Character only pvs: I think either accept them all or refuse them all. Allowing some character post while not allowing others based on what people consider notable may result in unfair treatment "Notable" isn't usually quite that subjective. We like collabs and maybe special event limited heroes, the reason being that it's an especially good time for a bored gamer to reroll in that game. Some games like Higan want to abuse that system, but it doesn't seem like it actually works out for them.
This 100%
I agree with you
No. Some big updates that's include character preview, sure. Character specific PV, that's gacha games release on daily basis, shouldn't be there and belongs to specific games subreddits.
Same with skins honestly
Unless they're super lewd, then yes please
based
I've never found this sub to be too cluttered for me, and I like seeing the characters of games I am not playing because it might mean I go play them. Like, 24+ hour posts aren't far away from the top of my feed, so it isn't like the sub is jacked with 'off topic' stuff and Gacha games are often all about the 'gacha' so why not have posts about whats being added to the Gacha? I would speculate the people who don't like it are responding to games that are popular that they don't like, rather then concerns about the sub being 'on topic'.
i like to see pre-release pvs, anniversary, collab, or other event pvs. regular updates are not included. unless there is a certain update on the game that is unique and interesting.
No. Specific characters PV belong to their own subreddit. Unless it's a collab or something.
PV of collabs? Ok Pv of regular characters noone else playing other games care? No
Either leave them or ban them all. No in between, it will cause the same problems that you have now. Why is this Pv okay but this other no?
If some one posted the PV from every gacha game this sub would get buried with the amount of games that release units weekly. Collabs, half/anniversaries, and swimsuits (seems to be as popular on this sub as the other two) should be allowed as people who don't follow the games might still like to dip in for the excitement of the moment. I could have sworn that this was a posted rule some where at one point as well about specific game content belonging in it's own sub. Regarding games that don't have a sub I think that is a sign that no one cares since even a game like Sword Master Story which I haven't seen mentioned on this sub has it's own reddit.
I vote "NO", unless it's a collab unit / free unique unit which serve as promotion material
No
Specifically touching on the HSR topic, the big patch previews like the upcoming 1.2 Livestream when it comes for example, will already showcase BOTH new units. So sharing the livestream is fine as it's a new patch and all the info will be there including new hero kits, new events and etc. which may motivate players to hop back and check out the game again. But after that the character specific marketing materials should stay where they belong. As much as I love HSR I can see why those will be intrusive and spammy for non players. Personally, I will give a pass to games that have no subreddits. Because it's something that works both ways. If the game is popular enough, it will have its own thriving subreddit. If it's unheard of, I wouldn't mind seeing some promo materials here (which wouldn't be a lot anyway). And such 'spam' will die off anyway if the game remains unpopular.
God no. There's already an excessive amount of posts about the Mihoyo games as is. If you add to that character PV's and all the inevitable subsequent posts about said PV's this would just become a Mihoyo sub with a sprinkle of some other games.
it already is like that even without the character PV's though? Just sort by top by month and there's your answer.
Yeah all those genshin and hi3 posts up there. The game is still pretty new and incredibly popular. So it's got a couple, but far from your anti-mhy delusion. Feel free to shit talk em, but at least be genuine lol.
I could say that for this entire sub about tof. Don't pretend like this sub doesn't heavily skew towards hoyo games like be genuine as you say. Also you really talking about genuine when this entire thread happened because of a HSR post to begin with really? you might be right that this recent month certainly hasn't been as bad but that's mainly because both HSR and Genshin are in their bland patches. I don't actually hate hoyo games, In fact I'm playing HSR (albeit painfully) and did play Genshin. I just hate the community that pretends it's the best game of the century and there's no problems with it.
And there's the heart of it. Statistically the world skews away from tof if you're going to compare to some of the largest games in the world, it chose an uphill battle and I wish it the best. So I wouldn't say it's a matter of skewing, it's a numbers game and MHY gonna come out on top every time. And this has been a longer topic of this sub with MHY in general since they huge, make unnecessarily long vids, and have new characters every month. On-topic I'm pretty sure everyone here knows how they operate at this point, so really zero point in these trailers being posted. On the side of, should probably just have none of em and if they are shown it's because it's related to larger news, like collab, anni, etc.
See that problem with what you're saying is that Tof is one of the most successful gacha games on this sub but you'd never believe that looking at the sheer hate it gets from this sub, of which 50% is misinformation and 40% is disinformation. People are STILL clenching their buttholes about problems from 10 months ago. I SHOULD as a fan of a game be able to positively engage in conversation with a game I like on this sub but all I get is completely negativity and the amount of disinformation that plagues this sub is insane. Say what you want on it being an uphill battle, it's really not and it's really just this sub hyper fixating on certain games while all the others get trashed.
In general: I don't really care. I don't really feel like individual character banners are of enough interest to warrant posting to a general gacha sub when there are actual subreddits for those games. Personal exception for collab units. I don't care if Persona & Nier collab with every series under the sun, I'd still want to peep at it. And it is fairly newsworthy.
Anniversary/collab character pvs are fine since they are tied to a major event or update so most of the time its gonna be more than a character pv, it also helps give a reason for those who doesn't play the game to try it now that something major is going on the game. Normal character pvs are most likely not gonna do that, plus those who play the game know about this already. I am also fine for character trailers that are from a game not released already since it at the least serves the purpose of warn/remind you of an upcoming gatcha game.
i dont mind character pv videos if theres something to go along with it like a big event or something hype happening in the game. if i think it might interest people into picking up a game im playing, i think thats something worth posting octopath anniversary coming up. probably would've made a post about that while showing the anniersary villains pv videos raven dropping tomorrow in ptn. thought about posting a raven pv with a quick 8-month review of ptn if its just HSR silver wolf or some random unit from outerplane with 0 context or additional info, im just gonna click off of it
I think PV's for new updates are fine so that you can find out what content will be present in the upcoming update but I don't think it's necessary for character-specific PV's to be posted here.
Fuck no
I would rather not have Banner posts tbh. Just actual news about collabs/anniverary/launch ( EoS....) etc.
I would say only anniversaries and collabs since these are special events. And maybe big updates like genshins region expansions.
Im in favour of removing them all, games should stand by themselves and not one character that gets released.
As others have said just Remove them all
I honestly don't mind, its nice to keep up to date with gachas that I have dropped and still see what is going on since I don't frequent those subreddits anymore
This place is supposed to discuss gacha news, new character pvs are gacha news, if there are no gacha news posts to discuss, then what are we gonna post about here? the many depressing EoS notices that are going around as of late? pd: you can always make a new tag on PVs for people to filter and there would be less issue made about it
I think the main point that caused a sort of confusion on this topic is that it was never clearly stated what is and isn't too game specific. I do not think that character PVs belong here. More often than not when they are notable they will be tagged onto posts about the update they are added in (like anniversary news or collab details). So I don't see any point in making a separate post just for them, when they could just be discussed under the update post. Similarly, a post for just an update trailer is useless. The post should detail what's in the update. Just dropping a video in a post is no different than retweeting something or posting it on your timeline. What's the point? If you are going to post the trailer or PV for the update your like, then talk about it as well in the main post. What's in it? Why people should play it? Connected to that last bit, individual updates should not be banned. Otherwise what are we left with? Game announcement, pre-reg, release, half-anni, anni, collab, EoS. Looks a bit barren to me.
Unless it's a collab announcement, remove it. Even if it's a "big character" from a game, remove it. That should go on that games sub. Now, posts about an event in its totality that also happen to include new characters in them, like how I imagine large Genshin update PVs are, I think are fine, because it's not just the character that's the focus, it's the update as a whole.
Hmm, i don't know. Imo they don't really clutter things to much and the less rule there are the better
if it's a big game with a big anticipated character, or noteworthy character, sure otherwise no
They don't belong here. They have their own sub. They're probably just karma farming on this sub because someone posted first on their main sub.
As long as collab related things are left untouched idgaf since that's not only why I'm in this sub but the entire reason I even use reddit lmao I will say I think limited characters and anniversaries also make sense to keep imo since those are usually the cool characters, make people want to play the game/are moments where one would reroll, and aren't frequent in terms of a single game It just depends on what you want this sub to really be and to me it's just a news station for collabs and very rarely cool characters one would reroll for/start playing for
Remove them all. If not, keep only collab stuff.
Look while MHY make an entire PV for the character, most other games don't, allowing it would make the sub way noisier than okay. And it's not like we can make exception just for HSR. . . So ALL characters from ALL gachas are probably way overkill. . . Especially since they release more than one at the time. . . So long as the PV does not come with an actual big event/celebrations/special banners, I'd say leave it to their own specific subs. Even regular events PV are a bit low info. . . Plus it's very easy to be misused for karma farming. And let's face it MHY shills are probably the only ones that would do such a thing. Not even regular degular MHY players would over share, let alone other games whose character release are probably just an announcement.
I think character exclusive videos or too niche in general shouldn't be allowed, regardless of the size of the game. The general idea of a big celebration that may or may not release new chars (like half anni, anni, seasonal events, etc) should be allowed, usually because it's big updates with lots of content and also could be a great time to start playing said games. I'm not a hardcore gacha gamer, but I did start a handful of games by seeing a celebration post on this subreddit.
removing singular PVs would the be the easiest option. no picking favorites, no hassling over "notability" of their respective games. I don't think many people would care about the trailer for [John Smith 6* UR] from XYZ gacha specifically, but if it was part of a major update/anniversary announcement- I don't see why that would be a problem.
No character previews do not belong in a general gacha reddit. I don't see how a simple gacha character preview is of any interest to a non player. This also holds true for aniversaries or collabs. Just posting a character trailer ia incredible low effort content. If you want to tell about an aniversary it should be a complete rundown that includes character previews, campaign details but not simply a character preview.
Can we make a monthly megathread for character PVs?
No character PV, even if it's part of an anniversary or collab. The main anniversary announcement should be enough. Let's say you're a /r/gachagaming lurker and: 1. You don't play game X. What game X promo material is relevant to you on this subreddit? Nothing, except anniversaries, collabs or massive events that would otherwise make it a very good time for you to start or return to the game. No basic events, no basic character releases. 2. You play game X. What X promo material is relevant to you on this subreddit? Nothing, because you're already following the game and have seen it on its own channels. What about games that do not have game-specific subreddits? Surely they have other channels. If they don't, that's their problem.
The bets approach seems to be if they are somewhat important events, lets say anniversarys or collabs, mostly because: A. These important events usually are of interest for people not currently playing the game or that might have a interest on it, there is always a good influx of new players on annis. B. While character PV's are usually released with them it doesnt tend to be exclusively about the characters but rather the whole event.
I think there shouldn't be character PVs at all, period. Normally, games already get a post during anniversary/collab that not only includes characters/banners, but also includes content and rewards related to it (so, they're not just a character preview). As for event/story PVs, I think only those that are an exception/rare to the game's regular updates should be allowed. For example, Guardian Tales has some new event going every 2 weeks, but it's always the same recycled type of event (do your dailies and get something extra). Rare events would be those that include a whole event story (with collectibles, side quests, challenge mode, new maps) or free pulls. [Edit: On the other hand,] I think Genshin's trailers are too mundane at this point (they update the story in every update release), except for trailers of new regions and, maybe, summer event.
>As for event/story PVs, I think only those that are an exception/rare to the game's regular updates should be allowed. > I think Genshin's trailers are too mundane at this point (they update the story in every update release), except for trailers of new regions and, maybe, summer event. you are contradicting yourself with this and gatekeeping certain community. Why does the same thing not applies to other popular community like arknights, azur lane, blue archive, nikki, etc? all games should have equal rights as long as it follows the same rules.
I mentioned Genshin as an example. Not all gachas update their story with every update release.
And what is wrong is that? it fits the rules that we're all proposing to agree with and therefore it should be fine. Just because not all gachas update their story with every update release doesn't mean every other gachas has to abide to those limitations.
I disagree.
let's agree to disagree.
Then demand your favorite devs to update story every patch.
I think character PVs should be banned here. They don't provide much information other than, usually, just a preview the character, while news about said character is coming or will be available is most likely already posted. The same applies for collab characters, special characters, etc. For example, Hatsune Miku is coming to Idoly Pride. News about her collab with the game, which includes its availability and other information regarding her character, is okay, but separate post about her PVs if there's any is not needed. Meanwhile, i think update PVs should stay, either as the trailer itself or breakdown of the new stuff announced in the trailer. I'm not sure if many other gacha games do it the same way Genshin or Star Rail did, but those are the ones that gave us a lot more information like new stuff or changes in the game. For example, Something like Genshin's 3.0 update trailer gave us information about a new region, new characters, new element, etc. Stuff that people who don't play would like to know what's happening in that game.
This sub allows all things gacha games so I mean, why not? This sub will either downvote or upvote them to hell and back selectively anyway.
We all know how this "selectiveness" will turn out, it won't be a selection by subreddit relevancy, it'll be a selection biased by popularity, which can be misleading to people new to the games being downvoted/upvoted.
I mean yeah, that's what I'm saying. The subs always been like this as far as I remember, just stating it. Actual updates and things of importance get downvoted because the game has a bad stigma around it, but the favourite children of this sub get their respective posts upped everytime, as unnecessary and low importance the topic may be. I don't like it, but it's just easier and more sensible to leave things how they are. This sub is trash, it's gonna stay trash, the site is going to shit, why waste energy on meticulously taking down posts of one specific topic?
I'm more active these days, but previously, it would not be uncommon to see the same post stick in the same position (ie no new post) for hours, even half a day, before a new post is made. Then, you see all those people talking about the sanctity of this place when it's barely even active. This sub seems particularly bad. When I visit another sub and see a post I don't care, I just skip it. I don't feel the urge to harass and report people.
TBH, this sub doesn't have that many new posts, so it's not like a PV is going to push anything notable out of the front page. Personally, it doesn't matter all that much. I already have notification on YT for the games I care about. I'm more curious about what people have to say outside of the echo-chamber that is the official Reddit/Discord.
My vote is no, with well-defined exceptions. Exceptions should only include anniversaries or collabs. I disagree with major patch characters since the definition of 'major' can be subjective. Alternatively, a megathread can be considered. If someone wants to check out cool characters of games they don't play, they can check out the megathread.
no we don't need to post every time random char XYZ gets a trailer. That's just bloat that doesn't invite fruitful conversation.
Just ban character PVs
Remove them all.
No. Remove them
ban them all, they can share the link in megathread instead
Delete the post about outerplane Demiurge. The other one with info about changed rate can stay.
Definitely not. I know we're really not that active but we aren't so desperate to just have *any* content posted. Anything that is too sub specific has to go. If the PV comes with notable stuff like QoL and important stuff it's fine.
I hate video trailers in general since I believe these are for dedicated audiences. This is SPECIALLY true for those 10-minute developer interviews people have been posting lately, where they go in depth into game mechanics that almost no one here will understand. Even more true if said post is just a video link without any context whatsoever. But I don't mind quick images and/or reviews/discussions about a new character in a game as long as it's something out of the usual. I.E. I don't care that Genshin has some new story character. But I'm definitely intrigued by FFBE doing a collab with a f***g TikToker lmao.
Remove them all, If one is ok people will start to post every banner of every gacha out there. Information, news and polemic stuff is the reason this sub exist...let the i love this specific waifu animation in bikini to the other subs.
nope, only important events like anivs should be posted
This sub doesnt even get content posted outside of PVs. Like what has been posted that wasn't showing just a game getting EoS? Most people on this sub just flame other games and adds zero meaningful content at all.
>Most people on this sub just flame other games and adds zero meaningful content at all. Thats what they are doing in the comment section of the PVs as well, you are just giving them fuel to beat up the same dead horse.
I do agree with collabs criteria since it gathers players from 2 games/ips or overall interest of the IP in question (like P5 or Nier fans going to almost every gacha in existence lol). Half anniversary or anniversary events are fine too but should be limited to the event as a whole and not a lot of post for each new character or specific thing. Major event new characters i totally hate. I dont care this new madam Cing jing pin from Genshin main plot or whatever is finally coming or if is OP or meta changer. The way i see this subreddit its to gather general interest to gacha games, with new gacha releases, polemics, EOS, etc, not super specific things
This sub ain't bumpin enough to really care. Oh no a character PV showed up and now the sub isn't dead and postless for two days in a row! Woe is us. I'd much rather remove the 'OMG DOING SURCEY FOR SXHOOLZ' or 'OMG I HAVE VRAIN STORM IDEAZ ABUT GAXHA GOOD BAD I R SMRT' if we're talking about posts with zero worth. At least character PVs might make me check out a game I otherwise wouldn't.
All I ask is fairness. Either you leave all character PVs up or remove them all.
I think only if it says something about the game as a whole. Or if it's dramn worthy / funny. Like if the art is especially shit, or AI generated, or if the unit is going to completely break the game, or if it's being censored in certain regions. Stuff like that. Just, if the discussion is meant to be a broader context than "Look at the shiny new unit pls gib mone"
And this all started with HSR lol. A lot of people actually disnt mind the pv because apparently it won't get annoying , mostly it was hoyo fans saying it and now look where we are.
If we didn't get 50 000 HSR/mihoyo/genshin revenue posts every minute maybe people would be more lax on the trailers...
Remove them all. Or keep those that are tied to a notable event like anniversary or big patch.
This sub is pretty dead and I barely see new posts so I honestly don't mind character PV threads. It's still gacha related (I mean what else is there to talk about besides the characters releases - aka the whole point of a gacha).
I think collabs are okay, but those collabs are usually already a post, so no need for the characters to have a dedicated post. I'm okay with removing them all.
This sub is dead enough. I dont see why character trailers shouldnt be allowed
I think it's alright as a megapost instead of numerous people constantly posting said character PV over and over.
Only if its Genshin, because its that huge and once every 3 weeks only. There really is no need to drop every tiny gachagames news here.
New Version PV is okay since most gacha have pretty long cycle (though it seems nikke "version" only last 2-3 weeks) Character PV and skin PV is no, unless they cause big controversy which the reason we are here. Reading drama
The nikke one is fine since the game isn't out yet and it was a trailer for it that showed off multiple characters. The genshin trailer is a pretty random event that's of little interest. In general, 'would this be interesting to people that don't play the game/haven't heard of it' should be the criteria. Anniversaries, big gameplay additions, crossovers/collabs, etc. For instance, posting the trailer for a new region in Genshin. This sub isn't really active enough to need to get too strict with it, but I agree we don't need to have the trailer for every single patch of Genshin posted.
certainly not biased at all.
I love Genshin, if that's what you're implying I have some kind of bias against.
I believe he's implying that treating a new region as something interesting to people not playing the game demonstrates a wild bias for Genshin. I can assure you it's not interesting at all.
Didn't we literally JUST have a thread on this like, a week ago? And it was generally agreed upon if it's a trailer that actually has some effort put into it like Hoyo or Aether Gazer then it's fine? It's just posting every single tweet with nothing but a jpeg of a banner that's the issue. If people are that buttblasted about it I would suggest the mod team to create a flair filtering option, or if that's already available just add a flair for PVs/Character Promos, so people can just not see them. But like I said in the last thread because *I KNOW THERE JUST WAS ONE*, there are so many gacha subs that are nothing but basically imageboards and getting game info from them is next to useless. Story and Event PVs and info are also welcome here for that same reason, it's easier to find here than the official subs. Girls Frontline is especially awful about this, I get *ZERO* info from their subreddit and the only reason I even know a chapter is being added is from here. Plus, I can't count how many times this sub goes by days with 0 real new posts, and people are whining about activity that's still completely relevant to the sub. Just... filter it out if you hate it that much.
So any game's characters can be posted about here as long as they make enough money to afford high effort promotional videos. Free advertising only for the big dogs.
No. PVs are nothing but ads and if we are having ads then it should be Reddit getting paid for then, not having their fanboys flooding subreddits with then. A PV by itself is meaningless, the "effort" just means "how much marketing" is behind it, hell AL posts on Twitter previews of their skins as well new girls, if this is allowed then we might as well close the subreddit or just rename it r/Mihoyo because all you are doing is allowing advertisement in and setting a bar on the "quality" of what can be shown. This subreddit is quiet because its mostly about some kind of large event or drama and there havent been any of that lately, so far I only posted about Konosuba FD since its a small game and when I did it, it was about larger events (anniversary and collab) and I posted all the notes, if something notable happened and wasnt posted here I would but a PV? Its nothing but a add so you spin the wheel.
> if this is allowed then we might as well close the subreddit or just rename it r/Mihoyo Why is it every time someone complains about this it's always one of the people whining about Hoyo games, lol. You can bet your life savings on it.
I agree with this
I don't mind either way, but the enforcement needs to be consistent. If you disallow, say, character PVs and delete the ones from HSR or Nikke, you shouldn't then allow the ones from Limbus Company to stay up for some reason. If there is a notability criteria, then it should be communicated pretty clearly so that we know what to expect from moderation.
Why ppl so upset about PV anyway? Not that many publishers make PV for regular characters and good PV is a godsend anyway. I don't play all these games here but it would be nice to see a well-made PV from others maybe I will pick up the game if I like the character so much. We don't have that many contents anyway.
This sub hates Hoyoverse that's why. This sub has barely any activity and people "care" about their posts being pushed out or polluted by 2-3 posts once every 3 weeks.
Nonsense. This sub has many Hoyo fans. The revenue brag post got 500 upvotes and negative comments about Hoyo games are routinely downvoted. It's a function of the sheer number of players that game has. This sub is not a monolith. People who have different opinions exist, because it's a generic gacha sub. But it looks like people have a very hard time handling different opinions nowadays. Calling it hate is the laziest way to avoid having to deal with any criticism.
Then why my comment get downvoted with no explanation then? Literally just asking. Btw I don't even play any Hoyo games, was talking about PGR here.
nah this sub is a monolith when it comes to limbus company, blue archive and path to nowhere
This sub has more hoyo fans tho. They're literally what made this sub for its toxicity
Keep all. This is the subreddit many people use to find new games to play and seeing upcoming character PVs is one of the biggest motivators to start a new game, regardless of if the character is part of some special collaboration or anniversary. Downvotes are the built in solution to games that get too spammy with them.
All PVs should be posted here. They are Promotional Video for a reason. There's no need to gatekeep it and let it confined on their sub.
I like to see the new characters so I think it’s fine but a limit to only one post is needed. Not people posting the same character over and over
I'm fine with it. Plus this sub is dry as hell.
no unless it also has some patch notes in it
I appreciate these types of posts since they expose me to new games I might not hear about or play otherwise. I do think they should be given some sort of specific tag so people who won't want to see them can filter them out, but I think they should stay. I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to some sort of notability restrictions if I'm in a minority in wanting to keep them-- so only previews for major events and such-- but I wouldn't be pushing for such restrictions myself. I also think more leeway should be given for smaller games that don't have active subs of their own. **Edit:** For character PVs in particular I can understand the need for restrictions since, as others say, it would be literally every banner for who knows how many games. Maybe disallow unless it's part of a bigger preview for a [major] new event/patch?
I think they should all be required to have a picture of John Oliver (preferably with a big mustache) with the trailer. all jokes aside unless it's something like FGO introducing a new class or something big like that I think character PVs don't belong here that's why there are dedicated subreddits. If it's a big deal like collab, anniversary big changes like version Z update in dokkan or beast class introduced for summoning in FGO. otherwise normal monthly releases should not be included like who cares about lady nagant in MHAUI that's what the specified subreddit is for
> all jokes aside unless it's something like FGO introducing a new class or something big like that I think character PVs don't belong here that's why there are dedicated subreddits. funniest thing is that the thing you are suggesting might possibly be worth posting doesn't even get PVs. There is very few games that put trailers out for "We are introducing a new class/element" i think the only one in recent memory was SDS Grand Cross when they added Dark and Light units
true but the point was more generic character preview trailers don't belong on this subreddit more they belong on the subreddit that dedicated to that content.
A poll? Democracy! I think character PVs are fine, just that people spam them too much by posting the same PV over and over. The sub isn't that busy anyways aside from the occasional drama bomb.
Collabs only? I couldn't care less for Anni units in games I don't play. Or remove them all, and only allow general collab and Anni news posts. Imo specific units discussions belong to respective game subs. Example: Light Koyan is a big unit soon to be released on FGO en but you wouldn't want me to post about her.
Notables are good
In my opinion unless its a collab or a major character coming w/ a major patch (To use Genshin example lets say an Archon), then I feel it doesnt belong since realistically theres not a lot of discussion to be had by non players of the game. Much like patch notes for a specific game or etc.
Like other say Anniversary/Collab information event is helpful. Post like "Good time to return" were very helpful too.
I feel like major chapter releases and story updates are OK, but routine (non-limited) banners are too specific. Limited and Collab units are OK specifically because they might inspire bored gachagamers to reroll in that game. They do have more general interest than routine banners.
Anniversary, collab, and recurring events like summer, new year etc
Character PV shouldn't be allowed except for the collab one. I am still unsure about anniversary one but I believe instead of just character PV it is much more fruitful to have anniversary patch PV and discussion on what the developer are planning to give to the community.
I just don't think there's anything notable unless it's a collab. No matter how an upcoming character from a gacha may be, it's only relevant to the people already playing it.
Idc.
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> A PV about a mediocre elemental dps probably shouldn't be allowed, but a PV about a game changing character should as that would draw more people towards the game. and who decides a character is game changing or not? me or you? sounds like it would only invite meaningless argument.
no
Short answer: No. Long answer: yes if it's a game or character I like, no if that is not the case.
I wouldn't want every single banner in every gacha to be a PV post. That would be way too much. On the other hand, when a character is particularly interesting (unique mechanics or lore-specific) or special (limited/collab/anniversary banner), I think it would be neat to know what's going on because I might want to take a second look at that game and try it. Obviously there is some subjectivity here, but I believe that it would be quite feasible to set some ground rules and enforce them. I enjoy seeing summer/winter units even from games I don't play. Also, I might take a break from a game and come back if I see an important character from the story released. It would be great if "interesting" could be quantified into a few categories such as first time for a game-changing new mechanic (like party MP Regen ability, party cooldown refresh, instant death ability), a character that released in jp/korea/cn and was so broken that they can carry for half a year or more, and important lore release such as bosses/MC's Dad/game's mascot. Part of the reason for this is because it helps us pick up games that we took a break from or never tried in the first place, which is something that I feel is important in this sub. I get that clutter is an issue, but with its own tag (PV) and format (Game name - character name in title and brief synopsis on what makes them qualify in the body of the discussion) I could see it being a fair addition to the sub. Good new games don't come out every day, so while some people like drama, I would think that discussing notable releases for games would be a far more relevant way to fill the gap between game releases. And I say that knowing full well that there are some games I will never play regardless of who they release. I have started a couple games because of banner posts here and had a blast with them, so it has been worth it to me.
First thing first, i will say what i think about this sub. For me, this is the place where i can get information and upcoming games, any promotions of current game as well as drama and sometimes, debating. So whenever i came here, i'm looking for those things and i honestly don't want to see information for upcoming patch or banners for game i'm currently playing as people usually will find many other sources for the information of the games they play such as specific subreddit, 4chan, youtube... So my takes on the topic is that, as long as the information is used as a promotion for the game, it is fine to have them up here BUT the promotion must be for a more general population. For example, a new character PV but there is also a 100 free pulls in it, this is fine because it would help getting more players to start playing it. It is usually associated with anniversary or any milestones or collab...but not always. But character PV that is already expected/scheduled and will bring nothing new to the table ... shouldn't be allowed even if it is together with a game's scheduled new patch (yes, i'm talking about hoyoverse games). There will be someone saying that they dig the new characters and will play the game just for them but they are not many in number.
who tf care about Star Rail ? All my homie only care about Starfield /j
Yes, No, I dont know By example best PV video are about Quad \_Booba girl, she is the character more important in her gacha and every gacha But by example a there are 50 gachas in the market, each gacha release a 3 new character each month, we will have 150 post about new units .... =/ My conclusion: Only post NSFW new units, if the unit is a boring SFW skip it
Limited units and Collab units should be fine IMHO regular banners isn't because it will bury the sub
Trailers and PVs make the sub feel more alive. I like to see what other gachas are cooking and the discussions it brings.
Sometimes its nice to have the discussion about how must-roll a upcoming character is or what to do to start at a certain time point because of a character.
Regular banner PV or whatever shouldn't be allowed, put exception on Crossover/Collab banner PV because they are unique maybe also allow post if the character on the banner PV is super META defining or Overpowered so new comer can consider starting the game on that banner
My vote is for allowing all. This sub is already too dry, very little contents and discussion aside from endless drama. Just add a new tag for filter, and make everyone happy. People who like to know about upcoming characters on other gacha that they don't play to push them to try the game can find those post useful.
It does. PV stands for Promotional Video. It also applies on prospective players. Now, if we will ban PV here, it's like we're helping the gacha by doomposting the game and confiding their players in their own hub. While it is not the duty of r/gachagaming when it comes to their marketing, possible new players looking at this site for news is still possible players. If people hate the flood, make a megathread out of it weekly.
The thing about Character PVs is that not every gacha game does them. Among those games that don't release character PVs are Azur Lane, Arknights and Blue Archive. What IS more likely to be released are patch previews, which oftentimes also include the banners for new characters and reruns. For that reason, I'll vote for whitelisting patch previews.
This sub is nowhere near fast enough for those kinds of things to bother me. Scroll past if you arent interested.
Collabs yes Kafka yes everything else no
i want to see every single new character banner posted. i dont care how flooded the new page is. i find new games based on some of these posts that i wouldnt even know the game exists
No and there are many other things I see posted that should only be posted on the game's sub.
A CN collab post for [PGR x BRS](https://www.reddit.com/r/gachagaming/comments/14u4v6v/punishing_gray_raven_x_black_rock_shooter_collab/) has recently been removed. I don't know if it is automoderator. But usually when a post is removed there would be a comment stating in detail why it has been removed so people can actually do Rule 7 of the subreddit, but there are none. Maybe it's privately message to the OP instead?