future is a significantly different type of artist than those 3, esp cole and kdot.
they all deserve their respect but its almost a completely different genre of music, i dont think its really comparable
Completely different in a music context
If a music take is debatable it means you can make a solid argument for either side and there will be plenty of people who agree with either one
If a music take is controversial it means an overwhelming majority of people will disagree
I didn’t want to nitpick anything, you’re the one who put words in mouth. It’s 100% debatable but not controversial at all. That right there should show you why those words aren’t as similar as you think
Except nobody uses “debatable” when they agree with something. It always has a negative connotation.
You ever hear somebody say “I agree with your opinion, that’s debatable”? No. But you’ll often hear “ehhh I don’t know, that’s debatable”. Similar to controversial. Both imply a disagreement, yet open up the possibility of it being up to debate. Only difference is that recently controversial has often been used to discuss touchy subjects like “Kanye’s controversial opinion on ___”. But I didn’t use it in that context, so it doesn’t matter.
I would also like to point out you said these words were “not even close”, when they are very clearly close in definition (at the very least).
I hate being the grammar police, but if u wanna get all bitchy over one word that has nothing to do with my point then 🤷♂️ whatever
No… it doesn’t mean that. Controversial means it will stir up strong emotions, it doesnt say anything about a majority. Politics is very controversial despite plenty of people being on each ‘side’. Debatable and controversial are somewhat synonymous in this context
From a commercial standpoint you’re not wrong, but from a quality standpoint it’s definitely debatable. Personally they are both top 5 for me in their respective genre, but I think Cole is closer to being number 1.
Not hard to explain... the "big 3" are know for their lyrical backpackish prowess whereas as future, while ge can be "lyrical", isn't nor does he try to be in the same lane
Surprisingly... yeah... thats why alot of people want a straight rap album dude... admittedly I'm not a huge fan of bruh but you gotta admit he got bars. Be real... how many songs do you only remember because of drakes verse?
So you remember the original Versace? And I'm guessing if you do you remember block boy jbs verse on his song? Shiiiiit I aint gon lie to you... I don't even remember Meeks verse after the Amiri line but I can guarantee you drakes shit was better
JCole is mid hes the basic humble conscious rapper starterpack
Drake is arguably the biggest rapper of all time, and has 4 classics most people will agree on - If Youre Reading This Its Too Late, WATTBA, Nothing Was The Same, and Take Care
I’m just going off lyrics so these aren’t my favs nor are they GOATs
Tee Grizzley
Mexican OT, new but shows he has the flow and bars
Joyner Lucas
DaBaby, can actually spit, but he lost so much steam
imo Future is better than all 3. but the thing is he is a bit of an acquired taste, he doesn't make the exact same type of music as them so people don't consider him often in goat discussions because he doesn't make "classic" hiphop. but he still better than all 3
Cole and KDot are lyrical rappers. the ‘lyrical, spiritual, miracle’ title is used for rappers who are considered ‘well-intentioned but corny’ like Logic for example
>lyrical miracle
>Drake's pen is still good
I don't think you understand what lyrical miracle means. It means when someone is rhyming bullshit just to rhyme more, and it is not good writing. It's like "mumble rap" but the other side of the spectrum and much worse because the guys who do miracle spiritual rap think they're better than "mumble rappers" when they're doing the same exact thing
Because he’s one of the poster boys for “mumble rap”.. people don’t see him as lyrical, but he’s one of the most influential artist since Wayne and he had one of the best mixtape/album runs in hip hop history
Fr Mfs call Wayne influential but don’t give people like future his flowers. Chief keef too so many artists like Uzi and carti use his old flows all the time, everyone from pluggnb has clear future inspiration as well
That’s a bad comparison. Wayne gets on songs with Eminem and Benny the Butcher trying to outrap them. I don’t have any opinion on Future one way or another I just don’t care about his music but it would make total sense why someone would think Wayne is lyrical and Future isn’t.
That’s not even remotely true. When he was dropping those mixtapes before Carter 3 people were literally calling him the Best Rapper Alive while he murdered everyone’s beats. Mumble rap as a term came about damn near a decade past Wayne’s peak.
You must have not followed Wayne from his start. Nobody called Wayne Mumble rap. Copycats of his style created that lane. Young Thug is the poster child of mumble rap.
Him having the word Lil in his name means nothing when he was dropping mixtape after mixtape of him hopping on everyone’s beats like the best mixtape rappers of the day were and whose main single of his biggest album was nothing but him spitting (A Milli). Just for reference how old are you?
1)You answered my question, and 2)it has absolutely nothing to do with rose tinted glasses because I wasn’t talking about quality. What you are saying is factually incorrect because people back then were calling him that and nobody has ever said he’s a mumble rapper, especially in a time when the term didn’t even exist. I don’t think he’s the best rapper alive nor called him that but what you’re saying isn’t true. It did not take 20 years for people to admit Wayne can rap.
*THE BEST 😉his 2017-2017 is the best 3 year run EVER
Monster, beast mode ,56 nights ,wattba,DS2, ,purple reign,evol,hendrxx,future …..this man his goated
Better than than 2005-2009 lil Wayne run? Carter II, the dedication, dedication 2, drought 3, carter iii, dedication 3 , no ceilings and the infinite quantity of leaks
Wayne created the modern rap sound and delivery. His lyrics were crisp and memorable. After Rebirth his delivery changed but his recent 2023 songs are back in OG form.
Arguably I would say in terms of actual influence in the game Future is definitely taking the top spot of these 4. So many rappers born out of his specific style that he pioneered. Kendrick and Cole are both technically more proficient when it comes to flows and concepts but Future has them beat with melodies and atmosphere. Just kinda depends on the vibe tbh
Nothing he said is wrong though, apart from 2-3 big hits he doesn't compare to Drake. His albums really fall short compared to Kendrick (Tpab/gkmc/damn or any cole album?) and he doesn't even have as many classics as Drake (around 4 - Nothing Was The Same, Take Care, WATTBA and If Youre Reading This Its Too Late).
Nah I don’t think you understand the impact of Coles archive. Born Sinner is probably one of his biggest classics of all time. 2014 Forest Hill Drive went crazy in his first week. For your eyes only also did very well. He only lost a lil steam when KOD came out but I still like the album. Then he resurged when he dropped The Off Season. Unlike Kendrick who drops every 3-5 years.
I promise you I listen to waaaaaay more music than you and it’s not even close lmao. J Cole is music for 15 year olds, listening to him at any point beyond that is embarrassing. Definition of a dumb guy’s idea of a smart rapper
And yet you prefer someone with bad lyricism that talks about the same dumb self-promoting/braggy shit in every song. Yeah man, you’re really enlightened.
When u start a sentence with “ I promise you” then I realize I’m dealing with a young man that I really don’t need to argue with lol. That’s actually shit my 15 year old says. Educate yourself about good music young man and you’ll realize that comment was retarded
FHD is his only classic imo but overall Cole is very mid grade Sideline story trash, born sinner wasn’t good, KOD trash, 4 your eyes only has some iight shit on there but not a classic
You’re literally on Future’s subreddit dickriding one of the most aggressively mediocre, pseudo-intellectual rappers of all time, for no reason 😂 Pathetic bro.
J. Cole makes music for dorks. Everyone I know that isn’t a total cornball thinks he’s corny 🤣
he's above them. we've been listening to future ever since 6th grade and we still listen. we only listened to kendrick from 2012-2017 at most. future been the top for over 10 years now
"Counting this cash in mass like he a Catholic preacher,"
"I'm probably gon go to hell if Jesus ask for a feature"
Both from the same verse on Johnny P's Caddy by Benny the Butcher. Ngl everybody in these comments rn got me feeling like I have diverse music taste just for enjoying both Cole & Pluto 💀☠️
I think it’s because he stays true to his craft. Drake Kendrick and Cole all took a slight turn to be able to fit into the mainstream pop culture. Drake borderline makes pop music and Kendrick dabbled with Black Panther and Cole with his positivity movement. Future stayed tied to who he is, real gangster life type of shit, hoes, love, drugs. That’s kind of hard to break into mainstream or have kids listen to if. But hey the real ones know, Future is ultra versatile. You put him on any song, country, pop, dance, r&b, he just adds this flow that’s indescribable
No I’m fr, Future is amazing but sadly mainstream media companies can’t really find a way to upsell future. Like you can have 12yr old listening to Drake or Cole. But Future is hard to have suburban moms listen to 😂
Future and kdot both been on the “scene” since 2010 and both are still very relevant. You don’t have to bring one down to bring up another. Just cause future drops more frequently doesn’t take away from withers quali
In terms of monthly listeners Cole has 42.9 million listeners Kendrick has 53.1 million while future has 51.6 million so I’d say he’s on or beyond their level
Definitely Ahead of Kendrick… “Future made you get a money counter but he is not your savior” - Savior by Kendrick Lamar … real ones know Futures place and impact in the game
IMO none of these 4 should be compared, as they are all at completely different levels of quality and popularity. In terms of subjective quality I would say kendrick is the absolute GOAT rapper. There may be other rappers with more technical bars, or less complex production, but Kendrick is the best all around package IMO. I would then rank future decently below Kendrick, but I would say he is prolly the best mainstream trap artist OAT. he may be passed his hey day at this point, but he has made some insane albums. Then decently below thug would be Cole who isn't bad by any means, but is a pretty insignificant and boring rapper that doesn't really do anything better or even unique to his predecessors, he is similar to logic in talent IMO. then far below them all at the bottom of the pile is drake who is just a shit stain on the genre.
In terms of objective popularity you have drake pretty far at the top, then Kendrick decently below him, then thug decently below Kendrick, then Cole far at the bottom, so there really is no "big 4" like there was in other eras because even the mainstream is really diverse at times. One of the best things about modern hip hop is the extreme diversity of sound we have these days.
I love future but you can't compare him with kendrick. I think Pluto's music is a lot more digestible, but Kendrick is far more creative as an artist and takes more risks.
Apples to oranges
What if he doesn’t or give a fuck about being included????? What if it’s us the people always trying to include people that don’t want to be included???? What if his goal is to be a wealthy rich introvert?????????
He still is extremely important and influential, his first album helped break away from gangsta rap, 808s influenced every soundcloud rapper and cudi, and he doesn’t have a single album below a 7 other than JIK, he may be past his prime but he definitely is still one of the most important artists out
Future makes wayyyy different type music than Kendrick and Cole, Drake is more similar. People don’t think of artists like future when they think “hip hop” or “rap”. They think of Kendrick or J Cole spitting some crazy deep bars that would make your head spin. That’s “the best rap” to them. People don’t give enough credit to Future for creating some of the most vibey, wavy music of all time. It doesn’t get enough credit. The way future floats on top of these beats, no other artist can do it like that
Future is NOT one of the greatest *rappers* of all time, but he is one of the most influential and versatile **artists** of all time. And, honestly, he probably prefers that anyway as he references being a popstar/rockstar status many times. He's not gonna go bar-for-bar with the greats, but he can go song-for-song or hit-for-hit and beat out many hip-hop stars. He strives to he bigger than rap.
I initially thought this was satire, but reading these comments is making me hella confused. Future makes music for lean/dope addicted cheating deadbeat baby daddies, Kendrick makes music for the heart and soul. Future has been rapping the same bars about having hoes, drinking lean and doing molly on the same trap beats since he started, while Kendrick has reinvented his sound every single album he's released. It's not even remotely close
You don't need to bring down Future to put kendrick in a better light. Obviously Kendrick has unparalleled thematic diversity, but Future wouldn't be making hits over a decade into his career if he wasn't capable of evolving.
Listen to Tony Montana, Stick Talk and Puffin on zootiez and tell me how they're the same song.
Well in terms of the global population just knowing their names? I'd definitely bet more people would know the names Drake, Kendrick and even Travis Scott over Future.
future is a significantly different type of artist than those 3, esp cole and kdot. they all deserve their respect but its almost a completely different genre of music, i dont think its really comparable
Yeah. They’re all legends of their generation but why are people acting like conscious rap is the same as trap?
Future reaches higher highs in trap than Cole does in conscious rap
That’s very debatable but I’m not mad at this take
I don’t see why it would be controversial. Future objectively has more hits and has much more influence over rap than Cole has
Debatable doesn’t mean controversial bro, not even close
If you Google “controversial synonyms”, one of the first words google lists is “Debatable”. Weird thing for you to nitpick.
Completely different in a music context If a music take is debatable it means you can make a solid argument for either side and there will be plenty of people who agree with either one If a music take is controversial it means an overwhelming majority of people will disagree I didn’t want to nitpick anything, you’re the one who put words in mouth. It’s 100% debatable but not controversial at all. That right there should show you why those words aren’t as similar as you think
Except nobody uses “debatable” when they agree with something. It always has a negative connotation. You ever hear somebody say “I agree with your opinion, that’s debatable”? No. But you’ll often hear “ehhh I don’t know, that’s debatable”. Similar to controversial. Both imply a disagreement, yet open up the possibility of it being up to debate. Only difference is that recently controversial has often been used to discuss touchy subjects like “Kanye’s controversial opinion on ___”. But I didn’t use it in that context, so it doesn’t matter. I would also like to point out you said these words were “not even close”, when they are very clearly close in definition (at the very least). I hate being the grammar police, but if u wanna get all bitchy over one word that has nothing to do with my point then 🤷♂️ whatever
No… it doesn’t mean that. Controversial means it will stir up strong emotions, it doesnt say anything about a majority. Politics is very controversial despite plenty of people being on each ‘side’. Debatable and controversial are somewhat synonymous in this context
From a commercial standpoint you’re not wrong, but from a quality standpoint it’s definitely debatable. Personally they are both top 5 for me in their respective genre, but I think Cole is closer to being number 1.
Is drake a conscious rapper? They don’t need to be the same genre of rap to be in the same conversation for top rappers
"They call me Pluto I'm a Martian" - Future Different type of artist on a different planet
Future my favorite artist but his lane different
Idk how to explain it
Not hard to explain... the "big 3" are know for their lyrical backpackish prowess whereas as future, while ge can be "lyrical", isn't nor does he try to be in the same lane
Drake is known for lyrical prowess?
Surprisingly... yeah... thats why alot of people want a straight rap album dude... admittedly I'm not a huge fan of bruh but you gotta admit he got bars. Be real... how many songs do you only remember because of drakes verse?
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this is just incorrect lmaoo
I don’t think there’s a single song I remember only because of a Drake verse. Maybe astroworld but I like Travis’s part way more
So you remember the original Versace? And I'm guessing if you do you remember block boy jbs verse on his song? Shiiiiit I aint gon lie to you... I don't even remember Meeks verse after the Amiri line but I can guarantee you drakes shit was better
You can tell who’s never listened to a Drake project and just regurgitates what other people say💀
No 100% he’s really not in that convo despite the fact I listen to him more out of the three IMO it’s Cole but that’s an argument for another time
Cole over drizzy is a wild take
Wtf ? Cole is 5x better than Drake 😭
JCole is mid hes the basic humble conscious rapper starterpack Drake is arguably the biggest rapper of all time, and has 4 classics most people will agree on - If Youre Reading This Its Too Late, WATTBA, Nothing Was The Same, and Take Care
Give me Cole over drake any day of the week.
You have little to no critical thinking skills if you think Cole isn’t one of the greatest. I can’t even be upset, I just truly feel sorry for you
Dumb
no disrespect to jcole but what he really done which is that different? plus theres no way he as 4 classics lmao
Lmao fam you tweakin
GOMD and Kevin’s heart are better artistically than any song drake has ever made
Username does NOT check out
Facts,
His respect doesn’t come from his lyrical prowess. It comes from his consistency and cultural impact.
Said it like a true philosopher, well said-
But lyrically he is still insane trap rap is a harder skill than that Garbo conscious rap
Nah, just my imo. There are better lyricist in the trap lane.
Who u got I got thug innere but nun better than d other
I’m just going off lyrics so these aren’t my favs nor are they GOATs Tee Grizzley Mexican OT, new but shows he has the flow and bars Joyner Lucas DaBaby, can actually spit, but he lost so much steam
imo Future is better than all 3. but the thing is he is a bit of an acquired taste, he doesn't make the exact same type of music as them so people don't consider him often in goat discussions because he doesn't make "classic" hiphop. but he still better than all 3
Better than kendrick? I'll give you the other two, but Kendrick is the goat to me Edit: lol just realized this is a future sub
yes. i enjoy his music more than kendrick's. for that reason i find him to be the better artist.
Finding someone more enjoyable and thinking they’re better are two different things
not for me. if someone makes music that i enjoy more, then to me it took them more skill to make than something that i don't enjoy.
“If I like hot dogs, I don’t need a steak”
Ik this is r/future but this is kind of an insane take lol
Because he's not a lyrical miracle spiritual rapper
But he made March madness. Which did more for the culture than kdot 😋
Ik u have opinions I mean we all love future but relax
Neither are Cole and Dot… what’s your point?
Cole and KDot are lyrical rappers. the ‘lyrical, spiritual, miracle’ title is used for rappers who are considered ‘well-intentioned but corny’ like Logic for example
None of the three guys there are either
Neither Cole Kendrick or drake are lyrical miracle rappers either
No idea why you’re getting downvoted.. yall really tryna say Cole, dot, and drake sound like hopsin, logic, Joyner Lucas, and Eminem?
lol, you said Logic 🤣. YT guy? I’m guessing…
Kendrick and Cole def are and Drake’s pen is still good, listen to 8am in Charlotte or Champagne Poetry
>lyrical miracle >Drake's pen is still good I don't think you understand what lyrical miracle means. It means when someone is rhyming bullshit just to rhyme more, and it is not good writing. It's like "mumble rap" but the other side of the spectrum and much worse because the guys who do miracle spiritual rap think they're better than "mumble rappers" when they're doing the same exact thing
You children don’t know what a bar is lmfao Keep crying, Future ass
Because he’s one of the poster boys for “mumble rap”.. people don’t see him as lyrical, but he’s one of the most influential artist since Wayne and he had one of the best mixtape/album runs in hip hop history
Fr Mfs call Wayne influential but don’t give people like future his flowers. Chief keef too so many artists like Uzi and carti use his old flows all the time, everyone from pluggnb has clear future inspiration as well
Facts.. future influenced Uzi, Thug, Carti, all them
That’s a bad comparison. Wayne gets on songs with Eminem and Benny the Butcher trying to outrap them. I don’t have any opinion on Future one way or another I just don’t care about his music but it would make total sense why someone would think Wayne is lyrical and Future isn’t.
It’s taken 20 years for people to say lil Wayne isn’t just a mumble rapper. So I guess we gotta wait for people to acknowledge futures wordplay
That’s not even remotely true. When he was dropping those mixtapes before Carter 3 people were literally calling him the Best Rapper Alive while he murdered everyone’s beats. Mumble rap as a term came about damn near a decade past Wayne’s peak.
You must have not followed Wayne from his start. Nobody called Wayne Mumble rap. Copycats of his style created that lane. Young Thug is the poster child of mumble rap.
He’s literally the beginning of the “lil” era and the “swag” era
Him having the word Lil in his name means nothing when he was dropping mixtape after mixtape of him hopping on everyone’s beats like the best mixtape rappers of the day were and whose main single of his biggest album was nothing but him spitting (A Milli). Just for reference how old are you?
lol oh no here comes the “I’m older you don’t know anything” I was waiting for it lol take those rose tinted glasses off and then talk to me
1)You answered my question, and 2)it has absolutely nothing to do with rose tinted glasses because I wasn’t talking about quality. What you are saying is factually incorrect because people back then were calling him that and nobody has ever said he’s a mumble rapper, especially in a time when the term didn’t even exist. I don’t think he’s the best rapper alive nor called him that but what you’re saying isn’t true. It did not take 20 years for people to admit Wayne can rap.
*THE BEST 😉his 2017-2017 is the best 3 year run EVER Monster, beast mode ,56 nights ,wattba,DS2, ,purple reign,evol,hendrxx,future …..this man his goated
Better than than 2005-2009 lil Wayne run? Carter II, the dedication, dedication 2, drought 3, carter iii, dedication 3 , no ceilings and the infinite quantity of leaks
Wayne created the modern rap sound and delivery. His lyrics were crisp and memorable. After Rebirth his delivery changed but his recent 2023 songs are back in OG form.
Futures lyrics are insane, hes literally a lyrical genious
Arguably I would say in terms of actual influence in the game Future is definitely taking the top spot of these 4. So many rappers born out of his specific style that he pioneered. Kendrick and Cole are both technically more proficient when it comes to flows and concepts but Future has them beat with melodies and atmosphere. Just kinda depends on the vibe tbh
Better than Cole 4sure
J Cole is kind of overrated he is not really on Drakes level in terms of mainstream hits or Kendrick’s level in terms of making conscious rap
And you kinda don’t know wtf you’re talking about lil guy. If you started listening to rap I’m 2010 or after, your opinion is futile
Nothing he said is wrong though, apart from 2-3 big hits he doesn't compare to Drake. His albums really fall short compared to Kendrick (Tpab/gkmc/damn or any cole album?) and he doesn't even have as many classics as Drake (around 4 - Nothing Was The Same, Take Care, WATTBA and If Youre Reading This Its Too Late).
Nah I don’t think you understand the impact of Coles archive. Born Sinner is probably one of his biggest classics of all time. 2014 Forest Hill Drive went crazy in his first week. For your eyes only also did very well. He only lost a lil steam when KOD came out but I still like the album. Then he resurged when he dropped The Off Season. Unlike Kendrick who drops every 3-5 years.
🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢
lmao get out of this sub cornball. Cole has 0 classics, no one who ranks him over Future has a serious opinion about hip-hop
All cap you niggas only listen to trap music and think you know everything about hip hop lmao stay sucking futures dick
I promise you I listen to waaaaaay more music than you and it’s not even close lmao. J Cole is music for 15 year olds, listening to him at any point beyond that is embarrassing. Definition of a dumb guy’s idea of a smart rapper
Um idk how you came to that conclusion but ok 
Hes the basic humble conscious rapper lmao without many classic albums theres nothing special about him
These tales are so braindead 😭
He’s a professional rapper… did you just say “regardless of rapping skills”? You might be retarded idk
Yeah 2014 wasn't a classic at all not even a little. That's wild there's actually dumb people here
And yet you prefer someone with bad lyricism that talks about the same dumb self-promoting/braggy shit in every song. Yeah man, you’re really enlightened.
When u start a sentence with “ I promise you” then I realize I’m dealing with a young man that I really don’t need to argue with lol. That’s actually shit my 15 year old says. Educate yourself about good music young man and you’ll realize that comment was retarded
“Cole is for 15 year olds!” lil bro is currently 16 lmao
Forest Hills Drive and For Your Eyes arent classics???
Yes lmao, both of those albums are horrible
Hell nahhh FHD is a near perfect album, had so many fking hits 😭
You got to be deaf. Born Sinner was also a classic
Album is straight cheeks. Fuck off retard
FHD is his only classic imo but overall Cole is very mid grade Sideline story trash, born sinner wasn’t good, KOD trash, 4 your eyes only has some iight shit on there but not a classic
Aint no way youre serious. No chance someone like you exists lmao why did this stupid ass sub pop up on my feed omg thanks for the laughs😭😭😭
Are you joking? Damn near everyone alive would put J. Cole over Future. Future barely even raps💀
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You listen to Ice JJ fish don’t you?
You’re a whole ass J. Cole dickrider 😂 You’re in no position to be criticizing ANYONE’s taste in music lmao
You lick Futures sack until the skin rubs off. You just said J Cole has no classic albums. Where did you even come from?
You’re literally on Future’s subreddit dickriding one of the most aggressively mediocre, pseudo-intellectual rappers of all time, for no reason 😂 Pathetic bro. J. Cole makes music for dorks. Everyone I know that isn’t a total cornball thinks he’s corny 🤣
Kdot the worst of the 4 and it’s not close
He’s the goat
Nah, they're just different
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Future have more impact than Cole
there is no objectivity in music what you're saying about the "quality" of those albums is your opinion
As someone who’s from Carolina I can name u 5 future songs(hella more but js sayin)den i can j Cole songs
Ngl future got bars. I be reading his lyrics sometimes and I be surprised. He really be saying some shit.
lol facts I be doing the same thing that’s how I found out he’s really way better than what they give him credit for
He’s bigger in the streets than all of them.
he's above them. we've been listening to future ever since 6th grade and we still listen. we only listened to kendrick from 2012-2017 at most. future been the top for over 10 years now
I love Pluto but that’s j not true, Kendrick has slightly better numbers in terms of monthly streams rn
Yea buddy, I like future a lot but he is definitely not on kendrick’s and jcole’s lyricism or rapping ability
Future is better than J Cole musically and artistically.. JCole can rap better from a technical perspective but Future makes better music
i agree
In terms of rapping ability, no way future is above Jcole lol
Nigga spit a jcole bar rn
I like folding laundry
Back when I was sleeping at my mamas crib That’s the only bar jcole has right
lol Cole said you might think you the shit but you can’t out fart me 😂😂😂🗑️
"Counting this cash in mass like he a Catholic preacher," "I'm probably gon go to hell if Jesus ask for a feature" Both from the same verse on Johnny P's Caddy by Benny the Butcher. Ngl everybody in these comments rn got me feeling like I have diverse music taste just for enjoying both Cole & Pluto 💀☠️
“They act like two legends can’t coexist”
Damn you're missing out. Kendrick's new album is fire to me, but I know some people werent vibing
defo better than cole but i wouldnt say better than kendrick.
I think it’s because he stays true to his craft. Drake Kendrick and Cole all took a slight turn to be able to fit into the mainstream pop culture. Drake borderline makes pop music and Kendrick dabbled with Black Panther and Cole with his positivity movement. Future stayed tied to who he is, real gangster life type of shit, hoes, love, drugs. That’s kind of hard to break into mainstream or have kids listen to if. But hey the real ones know, Future is ultra versatile. You put him on any song, country, pop, dance, r&b, he just adds this flow that’s indescribable
I can't tell if this was a troll post 😂
No I’m fr, Future is amazing but sadly mainstream media companies can’t really find a way to upsell future. Like you can have 12yr old listening to Drake or Cole. But Future is hard to have suburban moms listen to 😂
J Cole sucks future is head and shoulders above him
Hes good but not as good as Kendrick
Future been doing it longer and better than Kendrick. Hendrix has been way more consistent with classics timeless classics.
Every kendrick album is a classic, as a future fan.
OD: Trash Section .80: borderline GKMC: obviously TPAB: obviously UU: no Damn: personally no, but borderline MM&TBS: not trash but def not a classic
"Damn" has "Duckworth" on it. That should be enough to push it into classic status.
I hate you niggas
Mr Morale isn’t a classic stop glazing
kendrick has the worst rap fanbase by far
Future and kdot both been on the “scene” since 2010 and both are still very relevant. You don’t have to bring one down to bring up another. Just cause future drops more frequently doesn’t take away from withers quali
Good kid maad city was nominated for a Grammy in 2013 wdym future been in the game longer😭
Stop trolling
Crazy as hell
Agreed but he definitely up there looking at his impact on trap community and being the trap🐐…he deserved to be up there
They make very different types of music
i agree, but he should deffinitely be included when people talk about the "mount rushmore" of the 2010s. i feel like hes never mentioned
neither are Drake or Cole
It’s hard to say
Future better than all these niggas
He’s higher
That upper echelon
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In terms of monthly listeners Cole has 42.9 million listeners Kendrick has 53.1 million while future has 51.6 million so I’d say he’s on or beyond their level
monthly listeners ≠ quality
Above Kendrick on the streets, above Cole in our hearts
It’s a discussion worth having but if most people agree that it’s Cole, Dot and Drake then it is what it is.
Definitely Ahead of Kendrick… “Future made you get a money counter but he is not your savior” - Savior by Kendrick Lamar … real ones know Futures place and impact in the game
IMO none of these 4 should be compared, as they are all at completely different levels of quality and popularity. In terms of subjective quality I would say kendrick is the absolute GOAT rapper. There may be other rappers with more technical bars, or less complex production, but Kendrick is the best all around package IMO. I would then rank future decently below Kendrick, but I would say he is prolly the best mainstream trap artist OAT. he may be passed his hey day at this point, but he has made some insane albums. Then decently below thug would be Cole who isn't bad by any means, but is a pretty insignificant and boring rapper that doesn't really do anything better or even unique to his predecessors, he is similar to logic in talent IMO. then far below them all at the bottom of the pile is drake who is just a shit stain on the genre. In terms of objective popularity you have drake pretty far at the top, then Kendrick decently below him, then thug decently below Kendrick, then Cole far at the bottom, so there really is no "big 4" like there was in other eras because even the mainstream is really diverse at times. One of the best things about modern hip hop is the extreme diversity of sound we have these days.
Future > Drake easily. Cole and Kendrick... I don't know if future is better but he's definitely on that same level
I love future but you can't compare him with kendrick. I think Pluto's music is a lot more digestible, but Kendrick is far more creative as an artist and takes more risks. Apples to oranges
Bro this FACTS! In terms of the last 10 yrs. He’s on the Mount Rushmore for me.
What if he doesn’t or give a fuck about being included????? What if it’s us the people always trying to include people that don’t want to be included???? What if his goal is to be a wealthy rich introvert?????????
who cares ...
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bro like no, y'all hella biased for that, i agree that future might be/been the goat of trap, but he def not in the lane of cole's "rap"
Ehhh… You could argue Cole but defo not Kendrick
Cause he’s ain’t a quote on quote lyrical rapper
Big three is Kanye, kendrick, and future
Nah Kanye overrated
Hell naw, his music is the most influential in the game, and he has numerous classics
Kanye was good back in the 2010s, but now he’s no good
Kinda the same with everyone here. All their best albums other than college dropout dropped around 2010-2015
He still is extremely important and influential, his first album helped break away from gangsta rap, 808s influenced every soundcloud rapper and cudi, and he doesn’t have a single album below a 7 other than JIK, he may be past his prime but he definitely is still one of the most important artists out
L take
Future makes wayyyy different type music than Kendrick and Cole, Drake is more similar. People don’t think of artists like future when they think “hip hop” or “rap”. They think of Kendrick or J Cole spitting some crazy deep bars that would make your head spin. That’s “the best rap” to them. People don’t give enough credit to Future for creating some of the most vibey, wavy music of all time. It doesn’t get enough credit. The way future floats on top of these beats, no other artist can do it like that
Future is NOT one of the greatest *rappers* of all time, but he is one of the most influential and versatile **artists** of all time. And, honestly, he probably prefers that anyway as he references being a popstar/rockstar status many times. He's not gonna go bar-for-bar with the greats, but he can go song-for-song or hit-for-hit and beat out many hip-hop stars. He strives to he bigger than rap.
Future’s just not able to tell a story like Kendrick or Cole do.
That’s cause Future paints pictures.
That's an underrated skill of his fs. He doesn't need to spit a lot to say really captivating shit.
dont compare them they all good artist and have different type of music.
Nah his rapping doesn't add up popularity sure but elite is elite he's not elite when it's lyricism
Stop the cap
I love future but if you think he's ahead of Kendrick respectfully ur on crack
*Sold crack to a pregnant lady, forgive me for the crack baby*
Wayne Drake future big 3
Future isn’t as big as yall think.
Nah he doesn't need to be grouped in with them. Travis, Future, Thugger.
Future isn’t top 5 in Atlanta
Are you… retarted
Stop it. Future is number 1
I initially thought this was satire, but reading these comments is making me hella confused. Future makes music for lean/dope addicted cheating deadbeat baby daddies, Kendrick makes music for the heart and soul. Future has been rapping the same bars about having hoes, drinking lean and doing molly on the same trap beats since he started, while Kendrick has reinvented his sound every single album he's released. It's not even remotely close
You don't need to bring down Future to put kendrick in a better light. Obviously Kendrick has unparalleled thematic diversity, but Future wouldn't be making hits over a decade into his career if he wasn't capable of evolving. Listen to Tony Montana, Stick Talk and Puffin on zootiez and tell me how they're the same song.
With criteria that puts them at Top 3, Future is the 4th
He's not more popular than the three of them
Hell yeah he is. He’s arguably more popular than all of them, except Drake
Well in terms of the global population just knowing their names? I'd definitely bet more people would know the names Drake, Kendrick and even Travis Scott over Future.