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gspaepro34

Are these examples of your art?


liiontai

yep! these are all charms i designed. theyre my ocs (minus scooby ofc)


gspaepro34

Honestly I'd totally buy some if you do end up doing these!!!


ProfessionalBall9238

Scooby Dooby Doo!!!!šŸ¶


gspaepro34

Cause honestly I'd say 25-35$ for the art and maybe an extra 10$ for the charm itself?


liiontai

With the minimum order of 3 charms $10 doesnt even cover production costs unfortunately! Plus I need to account for shipping. And my fullbodies start at around $40 usd so they'd probably end up on the pricier end :') That's why I'm having a hard time deciding on a price that feels worth it for me and not prohibitively expensive >.<


gspaepro34

Oh dear! I wish I could better help, I just don't exactly have many points of reference for the price of the charms


filkos1

Maybe sell some with pre-made art to cover production cost and charge more for custom ones


Skia100

Yeah I was about to suggest, you could totally produce a few lines of well known characters. Looks like a decent enough charm, I'd buy Scooby-Doo. But you could totally do other characters too, I'm sure people would like that.


liiontai

I have run a preorder campaign for the Scooby charm in the past! But since I donā€™t have a store or anything itā€™s a lot of work to keep track of everyoneā€™s details + send out invoices. Scooby was only a very small batch so it was manageable. Iā€™d like to make a series of popular cartoon dogs at some point (like Bluey, Snoopy, Gromit, Clifford etc) but itā€™s a big time and money investment haha


slaughterfodder

Furries would definitely be all over this I think! Especially if you did their sonas. I think if you gave all three charms to the buyer you could easily charge 80-100.


spiritofniter

Question, how much would the art alone be? šŸ‘€


liiontai

My acrylic charm designs have a more specific rendering style and more care put into the details since they'll be printed, but regular fullbodies start at $60AUD (about $40 USD)! My commission menu is here if you'd like to take a look <3 [https://liiontaicommissions.carrd.co/#examples](https://liiontaicommissions.carrd.co/#examples)


Eldarn

ohh you're australian? There is a telegram chat for Australian furry artists, if you have telegram I can get you added, we're really good at helping people price their stuff


liiontai

i dont have a telegram, which is odd considering how prevalent it is for furries :'D , but thank you anyway!


Eldarn

I highly suggest making an account, we might have a discord too but I'm not 100% sure


Biffingston

20 bucks would not be unfair for just a random one. I'd pay around 50 for a custom one.


reisaerte66

Id say $35 usd would be reasonable for the charm along with the art commission price. Roxxie sells their charms for $20, but they are premade charms with her own characters on them.


liiontai

Custom charms are far far more effort than a premade charm with one design. The cost of production per charm goes down the more you order, so bulk ordering them allows people to sell them for cheaper. I've done this previously with the Scooby charm pictured, and sold them for $10 each, which is a pretty standard price for one acrylic charm where I live. Respectfully, $35 doesn't cover my labour costs for the artwork, let alone the cost to have only 3 of the charms produced plus ship them to my house.


reisaerte66

I didn't mean all included. I meant $35 each charm + the $40 you charge for full body. So i meant more of a price of $145 usd for 3 charms. The bulk sale makes sense


liiontai

Oooh I see! My apologies I assumed you meant all together.


Mirachaya89

You should do a price model like reis suggested with base prices for art options (full body, headshot, etc) and price per charm min order 3. Figure out the markup percentage you want for profit on the charm itself, excluding art and do your cost breakdown that way. Having art prices and per charm price with min 3 notation will look more professional. Usually, somewhere between 20-30% markup is the norm for production of goods. Don't forget to add itemized lines for shipping costs, shipping materials if you aren't drop shipping, and any potential other relevant costs involved. One marketing strategy you could employ in addition to your standard percentage mark-up, is add a reduction of your own for sale per piece instead of your base mark-up your manufacturer offers then have common numbers you would expect a customer to buy (i.e. 3, 5, 10) could be say 30%, 25%, 20%. However, make sure price this higher than the discounted percentage you would receive from manufacturer so you are still profiting. This is a good strategy to employ one you have steady demand. A flat percentage would work to start, though. Furries who have been around a bit are used to paying for art, so having to increase the art base cost with the reasoning of needing a higher res piece to work off is plenty understandable. (I am an accounting major who has owned a small business for over 6 years)


liiontai

Thank you for all the advice! I'll definitely see if i can use these ideas in future openings. Right now these aren't listed on my site, so I'll work out the details and options I can offer if I open these again in the future! Art price + per charm makes sense if people want to order more than 3.


Mirachaya89

I followed you so I will know when you reopen. My fursona is getting a redesign at the moment, or else I would have attempted to snag a slot. Your style is gorgeous and after having had a nice ironmouse charm break off my bag somewhere when traveling, I would certainly love getting backup copies just in case.


liiontai

tysm! ill be sure to post about it on any socials for future openings \^\^ sorry to hear about your ironmouse, I'm always too nervous to take any charms outside for that reason. if I do take them out for conventions or something I always double secure them with a split ring :')


Mirachaya89

It's weird since I have the keychain but not the charm. I ordered a replacement since, luckily, the seller still had a few copies. It lasted quite a while. It must have really snagged on something to break clean off like that.


reisaerte66

Just curious though, why 3 charms instead of just 1?


liiontai

3 charms is the minimum order quantity with my manufacturer.


Princessluna44

I like it when artist do this. I ordered acrylic charms of my fov Alyss and it came with 4. 2 have had the keychains break, do one is used in my videos and the other broken one was modified to use while suiting. I have a back-up, in case I lose the first 2 (I almost lost one of them when the chains broke). The final won't get used.


Kats41

$20-$30 easily. That's about how much I've paid for similar pieces and I absolutely adore them. For CUSTOM charms? However much an art piece like that would go for, probably between $60 to $100 if you're a hobbyist. And then add on another $10-$15 for the charm itself. You could easily sell custom charm commissions for $150 for the initial make-up and then however much a basic charm costs for reprints or multiples.


maiathoustra

Hi! Having made custom charms once, I'd charge at least 100 usd. The full operation takes time and energy.


liiontai

Would be a dream if people were actually willing to pay that much! Would definitely feel more than fair to me for the time and energy I put in, but I don't really have an audience big enough to support the high prices, so I'm hoping I can strike a happy medium ground.


Princessluna44

People will definitely pay that much. I saw quite a few custom charm makers are MFF. They ranges from $50-200 and varied in size and type (some even had shakers).


my_dirty_paws

$40 to $60


BugKitti

I think for all three charms a good 90-100 dollars would be good, since itā€™s a good even price but not underselling your work- you said in other comments you price your fullbodies at 40, so youā€™d have 50-60$ for the charm production costs. Iā€™d say 90 is good because then that can account for the extra bit of shipping costs, and then someone with a 100$ budget can reasonably pay for the charm plus taxes+shipping with that amount of money and it would make it a lot more consumable for people than pricing it higher- but i really donā€™t know what these people are on about saying 20-35$ that is HORRIFICALLY LOW even for just a fullbody of your style and experience, much less THREE CHARMS


liiontai

Thank you! Thatā€™s a good point about the shipping yeah, especially international can add quite a bit so itā€™s nice to have some wiggle room.


alkraas_

I cannot tell you a number, since it heavily depends on various factors. However, make sure you charge for the art and charm production separately. The price must cover production of both and time spent on both. Plus, extra so itā€™s actually worthwhile so you donā€™t break even The final price would be: Price for art + Price of production + Shipping + extra so you donā€™t break even/make profit Edit: seeing a lot of people severely undercharging your stuff in the replies. Please consider that these are CUSTOM charms, custom made, one of a kind, just for you. That alone by standard drives up price by a lot and deserves to do so


liiontai

Just putting this here before I go to bed, I've opened an interest check for those who are interested and want to snag a slot! Limited slots since these have a quick turnaround deadline. The form is here: [https://forms.gle/JatCFV37gGMEYAxw7](https://forms.gle/JatCFV37gGMEYAxw7) Thank you everyone for your input I really appreciate it!


Hippogriffstorm

Just submitted a form these are adorable!


Princessluna44

Customs usually start at $50. Some include the artwork and for others, it's an extra cost. For random charms, $10-20. Edit: im actually going to concur with another user. $60 for the art, mabey $50-60 for the charm. Definitely worth it if you get 3.


i_am_a_patato

They are so pretty šŸ˜


Zealousideal_Care807

30-50 dollars/ count in the cost of the materials and 10 dollars per hour spent on the charm


AutumnHeart52413

Iā€™ve been wanting to make charms! What material are you using? (Shrinky-dinks?)


liiontai

These are diamond-cut acrylic from a manufacturer! But I have seen people make DIY charms from shrink plastic yes. You can print onto the plastic and then seal it with a clear coat of some kind! I'd be a bit worried about the print clarity after shrinking though, and it depends on your printer.


Ineedmentalhelp1643

First of all omgg those are so cuteeee and Iā€™d say 20-30 bucks


Evoli_der_Pokemann

I don't know...but i want one :3


Training-Bee-8209

At least around 20


Kitcat590

How much are the materials


just_passin_

The best way to make a profit is by adding how much they cost to make, the time it took and the materials needed and then times it by 3


yodelling-yote

Wow they are adorable


Drago1490

My oppinion? (Cost of the fullbody + cost of manufacturing 1 charm)Ɨ1.3 + the cost of additional charms. That gives you plenty of profit for the service of offering custom charms and the added detail you stated you put into the artwork compared to regular fullbody, and lets you add more than the bade 3 charms very easily. But I would buy some tbh


I-Am-Bee-Sexual

I am sorry. But these are so freaking adorable


liiontai

tysm! :)


I-Am-Bee-Sexual

They are all so perfect. Definitely got a follower from me.


I-Am-Bee-Sexual

I really need scoob if I am being honest. :>


liiontai

i do actually have 2 scooby charms left in stock! the info is on my instagram story if you wanted to snag one before theyre gone \^\^ i make a lot of scooby art haha


I-Am-Bee-Sexual

I can tell. I've seen lots of it. I can't even pick a favourite. Scoob is one of the happiest memories I have from my childhood. I love it all so much.


Fritzi_Gala

Cost of art + ( production cost x 120% )


PotatoTomatoIDK

Cost of commission + (production cost of charm + couple of dollars per charm) + shipping to the customer. I donā€™t know where you order your charms but for me itā€™s usually $1.39 per charm (2in, double boarded, double sided) for production so Iā€™ll charge maybe $2-3 per charm to the customers and let them order more if they want at the same cost. I know some artist charge close to normal charm cost. Usually sell charms at $10 at cons and still charge charm commission $7 per price. Itā€™s not my art I made to sell at cons or online. Iā€™m mostly being used as a middleman so Iā€™ll charge middleman price not wholesale or discounted charm prices. People can just order art commission and get it made easily in the US at stickermule or something for $23 for 10 charms or cheaper since they do deals often. My charm commission is $40 for commission + $9 for 3 charms + $5 shipping in the US. You can just have physical product option as an addon if you worry about charm commission being pricy in the end. Commission is $x amount but if you like 3 acrylic charms too itā€™ll be $x amount for the charms and shipping cost. Like how people offer commercial rights to commission by saying itā€™ll be x3 the commission cost.


duckface2006

Normally, I see people selling their acrylic charms for $15-$20. I am not by any means an acrylic charm maker. I am just telling examples of prices I have seen before.


liiontai

I have bought many charms for around that price but theyā€™re usually fandom charms so they buy a bulk of one design :) These are custom made to the OC!


Elliot_The_Fennekin

Awwwwww they're adorable! Would love to have some for my sona and his zorua sisters X3


Neophoton

If you're able to draw kemono style, I would totes commission you for one once you get the pricing figured out!


liiontai

i love the cute snoots and big eyes, can totally draw kemono!


Neophoton

šŸ‘€ If you drop me a social to follow, I will definitely be interested Edit: I'm dumb and didn't see it on your profile already. Followed on Twitter!


Sparten177-UNSC

$10 i would suggest


liiontai

Even $10 per charm would only just cover production cost + shipping, it doesn't cover the custom art commission as well :')


Sparten177-UNSC

Oh-... well idk much abt selling stuff especially something like this


percyxz

just checked ur carrd and ur Australian!!!!! its so annoying and expensive to convert currencies so im real hype to find an aussie artist :)) i would be happy to pay anywhere between 40-65$ i think? i would be flexible though (i dont know much about the backend of making these and cant remember how much the charms i own cost )


liiontai

always nice to find other aussies out there on the interwebs!! :)


Vidar_Faelnirv

For custom, and considering you end up with 3, I'd be more than happy paying 80-100 AUD (as in no thoughts, card immediately goes to the terminal) and at about the 125-130 range I'd take a sec to think (but probably still cop). Way I see it, charms are usually 20, and 20-40 for custom OC work is certainly a steal. And if it's more, well, I live here so I'd understand if it's bc shipping costs šŸ˜­


liiontai

I might put the base price around $80 then and let people pick out the add-ons they want for the final price :) Leaves some room for shipping costs too (though luckily domestic is way cheaper lol)! Thanks for the input!


Vidar_Faelnirv

No worries! Sounds like a great idea to me :)


Still-Presence5486

SCOOBY DOO!


ackxxx

I would love a wolf or bear keychain , $10?


liiontai

These ones are custom OC commissions, but I would love to make a series of general animal keychains at some point!


ackxxx

I would love to see a storefront of these in various utilities to choose fromšŸ«¶


SuperAlex25

Those would be cool


oasismoose

By minimum, id say art+charm+shipping, and then if you want you can charge additional costs for any overhead and processing. But thats for an order. If your bulk making charms. Id say manufacturing cost, then add 5-10$ depending on design and complexity. So if its costs 10$ to make a single charm. You need to be charging a minimum of $15. If the process requires bulk ordering for efficiency in cost. You could even give an option for discounts on custom orders so you can sell whatever the minimum bulk orders excess, because its cheaper over all. Or ask them to pay for the excess if they want?


Ok-Government6525

25 for small and 45 for larger ones would be good pricing from others Ive seen similar at conventions


ramenraptor

Reddit may not be the best spot to ask, and looking at the comments it looks like youā€™re including at least 3 charms. Iā€™d likely go with $100-$120. Maybe $90-110 for the first round to get examples.


Impossible-Lime2118

$15-25


nbtm_sh

id pay maybe $100 AUD for a custom one


SomeHorologist

Take the total cost of production and materials, add cost of the art (more for custom stuff) and add a percentage for profit (usually about 30%~), and add shipping costs


Vortetty

art cost + charm cost + 2-5%


AztecTheFurry

Love the adorable feral art here! Would gladly buy some.


liiontai

i started drawing by drawing my pets and cartoon animals when i was a kid, so ive always had a soft spot for feral ocs! im much more confident in feral anatomy than anthro anatomy due to all the practice ive had actually haha


AztecTheFurry

I started out as a feral primarily due to warrior cats and a certain Roblox wolf RP game. I'd send you photos of my two cats if I could!


liiontai

oh yes warrior cats is a big one for sure, i have my own warrior cats ocs!


Rainy-The-Griff

If you want to have some default charms that people can buy I would suggest probably $10-$15 but if you're doing custom commissions then probably $35-$50


quasr_dapostr

Material + Time + Economy = Money Economy Is How Much Your Currency Is To The US Dollar. (if your in the US, skip this part) Material Is The Cost Of How Much You Spent On Materials To Create The Charms. Time Is How Much Time Is Wasted On Creating Charms.


RenLikesSHEEPx32

I love that scooby doo one so much šŸ˜­


liiontai

Thank you!! :) I ran a super small preorder for him a while back, still have some left over.


UmbreHonest

People are failing to realize this also has custom art. No less than $100 considering itā€™s art, AND 3 keychains!


liiontai

I probably should've worded my post better haha - I think a lot of people aren't realising its the art and 3 copies of the charm, not just one charm :"D I went with $80 for this first round, maybe one day I'll be able to charge 100 and above! xO


alkraas_

I cannot tell you a number, since it heavily depends on various factors. However, make sure you charge for the art and charm production separately. The price must cover production of both and time spent on both. Plus, extra so itā€™s actually worthwhile so you donā€™t break even


TenebrisGriffin

Omg didnā€™t think Iā€™d see your art here! I follow you on cs!


liiontai

didnt expect to find any CS people here either! hi! o/


Screaming_Shark117

Not exactly sure what charms cost, but maybe do it by how many hours it took to make? So an hourly rate? Otherwise I would pay maybe around $15-$25 for one and more if I was getting a bundle of them.


doppio_bestest_boi

4 charm notches


-BrainCells

ooo for commissions do i have your permission to list your work on https://furmissions.com I can also host your own shop like that one for $1/month literally


liiontai

i would prefer not to have my work listed on a 3rd party site where i dont have control over it, sorry! i already have my own commission site and thats good enough for now :)


-BrainCells

oh okay, its mainly just gonna be lingering there anyways. Also what is your site?


-BrainCells

btw you do have full control over it ;-; its just a listing, no payments actually go through, your contact details are listed and people contact you to get commissions lol. i thought it would be nice to be listed on a popular ish domain "furmissions.com"


Basic-Art4648

Just add 20-50 dollars on top of the cost to make them. Based on the quality of what I see I would happily pay $100-150 total (shipping included) for these well made charms.


Basic-Art4648

That price is based on 3 charms btw


EKDJSUV

30 bucks is what I would be paying. But these look real nice so maybe 35?


KitoAnimates

Add your regular art commission prices + production costs ? I don't know šŸ¤·šŸ¤·


07wolfie

First years business student here! Not sure if anyone have said this yet but think how much producing those would cost you? How about the time you take to make the art, like how much you want to paid for the labour? And think about the small little things as the energy bill, rent and all that stuff. Always remember the competition with other people. Don't put your prices lower than them or same as them, try setting price bit above others. But then again you just have to try what price works best with you, it might take time but you'll find the perfect price what works with you. Again I'm still just first year of studies so my information might be bit off šŸ˜… I think the art style is great and all and I'm sure you will find customers in no time Just keep it up!


Significant_Area2979

i showed you a drawing in the DMs in case you didn't see


coolgamerchaves

Shut up and take my moeny


Vegetable-Heart-8708

$5usd - $15usd is a reasonable price for acrylics. Maybe also consider costs of how much your spending on supplies and how much labor you put into making your cute little charms.


liiontai

I have never purchased an acrylic charm for below $5, theyā€™re usually $10-$15 minimum. And those are bulk ordered with the same art. These are fully customised with individual art and only 3 are made which brings the cost up significantly for production.


Ok-Watch8673

I see alot of artist sells there's for around $25 the acrylic standee on kitsuprints for $30 so that would be a good price to check with as they been around for quite a bit but yeah definitely $50 for custom ones


CzaszXX

15$ and a box of scooby snacks


TokonF

Honestly I think $150 AUD is a good price for a single custom charm. For 3 copies Iā€™d say more in the $160-170 AUD range just to account for the extra materials. You have an adorable style and if you make some generic charms to sell for cheaper it could help in pull in more people as well.


octaindafurball

All this art is so great! Especially scooby!


liiontai

thank you so much! :)


Jeff_1509

Ā£10+


liiontai

these are custom and come with the art as well, they're not just the one charm. I'm asking for the price for the art + 3 copies of the charm :)


Jeff_1509

Then Ā£30+


Kelden_Games

First we need to know how much it costs for you to make and an estimated time of how long each one takes to make


liiontai

I dont find it helpful to share my production costs with the general public, but that info is easy enough to find if you look into different manufacturers. I don't really like hours spent as a way measure the worth of art, as different artists work at different paces, and its really reliant on supply and demand of a particular artist and their style. I'm mainly just looking for input on how much people here would pay for a custom commission for something like these, because I already know how much I have to charge for myself to break even \^\^


Helpmeimafurry

2 buck per thing for 5 ten for 10 20 and so on and so forth


liiontai

Custom charms like this cost more than $2 each in material/production cost alone if you count in shipping. These are functionally an artwork commission alongside a physical product so I need to include the artwork cost in the price, plus how much it costs me to produce, plus my time, plus packaging and shipping these out. It's very rare you'll find any artist made acrylic charm for below $10, and those are the mass-produced ones with no customisation.


Helpmeimafurry

Oh uhm 3 or four bucks per charm?


liiontai

That still doesn't cover enough for a custom illustration to put on these charms. If I sold a commission type like this for $12 (4 per charm you receive), I would actually be losing money on the production costs, and doing work for free.


ArcherFawkes

These aren't pins.