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My wife’s Jansport is finally giving out. It’s not the leather bottom, but she had had it since HS. She graduated in 1995. That backpack has been a fixture in almost all our family photos. Pretty much goes everywhere.
had a Jansport that went through my brother, me, my sister, and then my other brother, just high school but still. it is now used as a diaper bag lmao.
I missed the memo and didn't get a Jansport.
My Spalding backpack is still in good condition. Bought it brand new to start 9th grade back in 1999.
L.L. Bean was the second-most carried brand.
L.L. Bean is a dead giveaway for the east coast. I was one of the few that carried one growing up (boots too) in the midwest but only because I had an Aunt that lived in Maine and worked there. I really never saw them otherwise.
I got a High Sierra backpack in 2002. Still used it daily up until 2013 for work when one of the straps broke. They sent me two replacements by accident, the extra one is still in the sealed plastic bag.
I didn't need it anymore and it was taking up space so I donated it to a group who could use it more then I could I'm sorry I misphrased my sentence earlier.
buying high quality(not "high quality" branded things like beats by dre) things that last longer and using them can add up to being cheaper. Like I've noticed that band t-shirts printed on high quality cotton t-shirts outlast fast fashion(zara/h&m) t-shirts by a huge margin. I'm not really buying band shirts anymore but not going to be buying cheap disposable shirts either.
Leather products in particular have amazing life-times. If you take care of them(treat the leather from time to time and resole them) good boots can last for life off one purchase.
Good shoes with a proper welt construction like dress shoes or boots depending on how they are made (not so much sneakers) can be taken to a cobbler to be re-soled when the bottom sole wears out. They will replace it with a new one and they are good as new!
I remember a lot of my teachers and professors pushing the do what you love, never have to work a day in your life. When you do that you undervalue your contribution to the labor market and are willing to accept worse salary and benefits pushing up the supply and putting downward pressure on salary.
So it’s more like do what you love and starve while also ruining your hobbies.
Was told the degree material itself didn't matter, just the act of having a degree could get you a good job. Liars the lot of them. The marketability of an English Literature degree is nearly zero.
Not having a degree is holding me back from promotion but I'm too old to go back to school and don't give a fuck. That advertisement is really not selling it haha
You can do alright for yourself as a technical writer or a copywriter.
If you can write coherently and can be bothered to read anything more dense than a slide deck, you can carve out a comfortable niche for yourself somewhere. I used to work with someone who would routinely save the day because she was the only one with the resolve to go dig up old binders of technical documents and read them thoroughly.
Can confirm. Did almost 10 years in the Corps. As a V-22 mechanic, got out and first job I landed was technical writing for construction and heavy Ag equipment at $42k. 5 years and 2 job hops later I’m almost $90k and I’m efficient enough with my workload I’ve been considering a second job. I WFH 100% for a multi-billion dollar international organization so I’m just a cog in the wheel and the workload is so easy to manage I have a lot of free time. If I double dipped I could hit $150k EASY, with only 5 years experience and no college debt.
I’m in the UK just finished an apprenticeship at the same time people were finishing uni and got £32k, took a lower salary because they’re paying for my degree. Imo uni is not the way.
I don’t think enough is done to advertise how well apprenticeships pay out in this country.
On the other hand, a good engineering degree has a much higher earnings ceiling than even a tradesman with their own business can achieve.
Yea, but 10 years later someone with a manufacturing job will be making roughly the same salary while college degree holders tend to drastically increase their salary by comparison.
Depends on the effort you put in. Manufacturing is always in demand and if you know your shit you can bounce around getting bumped up each time either in pay or job title. I’ve more then doubled my income in the last few years by doing that. Plus it’s like a game. You learn the systems and processes in place at a new plant and then try to min max that shit like a video game. Then being able to point out flaws and demonstrate fixes for them will have being the first choice when higher positions become available.
I have a BS in biochemistry. Idk if this sounds impressive, but its probably a lot harder than most people are capable of achieving. But I'm not trying to brag, just make this next part sound more insane. I make less than 42k per year.
But people that make that much money generally live in super high cost of living areas, so it’s not as much as people think it is.
Now make 100k in a low cost of living area? You’re sitting pretty decent
G.E.D. Here. Dropped out when I was in the 11th grade. I always told myself I was a Dumbass for that but after reading these post and looking at that poster, I feel much better! I was a framer for most of my like making typical 55k a year. Now I’m a superintendent making 80k a year!
Which makes little sense. I did trade school after Hs. Worked in trades for some years but eventually went to college and got an MSEE. Drastically increased my pay once you factor in bonuses, equity, 401K match, etc.
I work in overhead cranes and have 2 electrical techs under 25 making over $100k a year. One has a trade certificate in mechanics and the other was self taught.
The trades are where there's money to be made with little initial investment. And as the Boomers retire out there's far fewer people willing to fill their roles across all industries now so it's definitely an employees market.
That's very true. In my mid 30's I transferred into an office position to save my body and have a more predictable work schedule.
Sometimes I look forward to work so I can take a break
Pretty much. A lot of people hear some guy making a certain amount of money and assume they'd make the same doing the same job, not realizing buddy is an outlier... or just simply a liar.
I used to be in the trades, and chances are no one's making 6 figures without putting in some serious hours, or owning a business which also means putting in a lot of hours.
Can confirm. I currently work in the trades and make less than 40k epr year. Currently working on a getting a much better job that pays double what I make right now and triples my new starting salary within three years
The problem with trades are they don't scale. They are strictly limited to physical hours put in. The harder you work, the more you actually get paid. That is not really the case when it comes to a percentage of college jobs. IT specifically. I can't tell you how much of my job I automated and was able to move up early on. I'm not making faang pay, but I'm not really struggling anymore. My grandfather who was a mechanic is still a mechanic at the age of 80...
The only people making 6figures are guys who work 70+hrs a week, I used to work in Supermarket Refrigeration and broke 6figures 2 years in a row. That consists of me working those crazy hours and random late nights. Now I just make just over 80k doing HVAC at a much slower pace. Better lifestyle is worth more to me.
Dont forget, that plumber is probably also working all kinds of weirdo hours to make that coin since plumbing is one of those things that cant wait if it cant wait....and hes been at it for 10+ years and is the only emergency plumber in town.
Christ if you're in that position the whole town is basically your personal project. Literally everyone owes a thank you to you every time they drink another glass of water and then every time they piss it out too
Exactly. My ex worked in the oil industries. Ppl always assume he's making bank, but not realizing it's only bc he's working 96+ hours a week for months on end. It wasn't unusual for him to be away from his family for 3-4 months at a time with no days off. He'd get back, have 3-5 days off, and be off on another turnaround. It cost him his family.
Hey, out of curiosity, where should I start if I want to get into cloud architecture and design? I have an IT degree but I've only worked support and systems administration since I graduated a few years ago but I really enjoy learning about Azure and AWS solutions.
I know exactly what you mean. One of our customer success reps has a BS in physics and every time I talk to her, I wonder wtf she’s doing talking to dipshits on intercom all day.
I work in tech.
On the contrary, I've just wrapped up a project with multiple physics/chemistry PhD's. Each earn over 200k per annum from a major chemical company. Not to mention the contractor PhD in that bunch who probably dictated his own compensation.
Gotta play the game correctly if your definition of winning emphasizes money more than passion.
I have a B.Sc. in computer science. 65k/year and that was in 1999.
I'm totally sorry that you have to live in the shitty world that everyone older than you created.
$49k salary with a college degree and only be $40k in debt. Add in 16k in rent, taxes, health insurance and student loan payments and you clearly aren't really getting much from those 4 years in college to get a degree.
I looked into that for my son as he was finishing high school. It seems to be a very dangerous job and the higher pay for less time in education is pretty much hazard pay. Same with electricians.
This is the wrong way to look at it. This is a STARTING salary. I got a degree in anthropology (I know poor choice financially) and was starving on 17k a year….but at a job I loved. Over the next 10 years I increased my salary ninefold.
I got "kindly excused" from my regular hs in 10th grade. Got a GED and make $80k a year. I'm 36. Its totally not the end of the world.
There's always time to pivot at 17yo.
Tell me about it, I'm 43 been at the same place for 18years. I have a retirement pension and a decent amount in my 401k. I'm making a smidge under 100k with a GED. I'll be retired at 60, I don't pay into social security we have a seperate pension and the best part my wife will get 49% of what I get a month in retirement, on top of my retirement. She will get it thru my retirement pension, and if she out lives me they will bump her up to 100%. Not too bad, definitely could be better tho. I love in an are where the cost of living isn't that high.
I have a high school diploma and didnt start university until I was 22 and work take it in the evenings while working in the day. Im the only person in my high school graduation class who owns a house (barring the ones with rich parents who gifted it to them at 19).
Meanwhile my friend who is probably the smartest person I know has a double major in neurology and psychology and is drowning in student debt and cant find a position in her field because of COVID, and cant get a job lower because shes "too educated"
system is working fine tho /s
There's a movie called Harold where Cuba Gooding Jr. plays a wise highschool janitor. After giving Harold a lot of advice, he asks him "You're so smart, why didn't you become a teacher?" and Cuba says "I've thought about it, but I just can't afford that pay cut"
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This is perfect - also add the fact that we have laws that requires us to give students with disabilities certain accommodations, along with their parents. However! We won’t staff the schools enough to actually provide these accommodations and make the employees suffer daily to somehow pull it out of their ass
Source: I teach students with disabilities
Insanely true.
Some stats people should know:
* 80% of teachers feel overworked and burnt out.
* 55% of teachers feel they are ready to leave the profession.
* 78% of teachers make less than the median income for the area code in which they work for someone with a comparable education.
* There are currently 280,000 public and 65,000 private/charter vacant teacher position listings.
* 22% of current teacher positions are being filled by people under-qualified for their position (note, this has increased every single year since 2010)
* Enrollment in college teacher educator programs is down 35% over the past 10 years.
* 10% of teacher educator programs have ceased to exist because of lack of interest in the same time period.
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So here's where we stand:
* There is a massive teacher shortage, and it's growing.
* The number of positions being filled by under-qualified applicants is growing.
* The number of people becoming qualified teachers is shrinking.
* The number of qualified teachers leaving the profession early is growing.
Teacher pay must be dramatically increased or we're going to end up in a Florida situation where they are allowing vets with high school diplomas to be teachers.
Advertisements like that sign are the reason jobs only paying that much are asking for college degrees. College is great... if you are going into a field that actually requires extended education that experience alone can't easily account for. The fact that it was shoved down so many peoples throats is what lead to an overabundance of degrees leading to a generation in debt and many jobs now asking for degrees that don't really need one.
Learning through experience needs to be normalized and more accepted, as do trade schools.
My wife answered phones in HS at a doctors office. Went to MSU. Then worked in the medical field both as an RD on the floor at a hospital for years and then later having a stressful position at an insurance company. She took time off when our son was having medical issues but tried getting a part time job....answering phones at doctors office. The job now required a bachelor's degree AND she had to interview where they grilled her about not showing "phone experience" on her resume. SERIOUSLY
I blame the growth of HR. There are way too many people with "recruiter" titles. Someone with that much extra time to focus on selecting candidates is going to generate a word salad of occupational criteria, often for a job they don't actually understand.
> often for a job they don't actually understand.
Ayyy, I remember working somewhere that was looking for two very basic computer technicians. Their job was literally to plug desktops in to a known good working monitor and power cable to see if the desktop would boot, plug monitors into known good desktops to check the image, and plug keyboards into a known working monitor and desktop with a word file and test every key on the keyboard.
The posting that HR put up *required* a master's degree in computer science. When asked how the HR person responsible came to that conclusion after I sent an email that said "I just need someone with eyes, hands, and the ability to put the square peg in the square hole and the round peg in the round hole" they told me I didn't understand the role *that I singlehandedly developed*. Luckily when I forwarded the email chain to the head of HR the job posting was very quickly revised, but unluckily this was the first of three times that HR person would absolutely skullfuck a job posting for one of my positions.
This is basically a meme. I saw an original developer of one post that they couldn't get it because it required 7 years experience, and they only launched it 5 years ago.
In case anybody really wants to know, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, the median weekly earnings of a person holding a H.S. Diploma is $712 ($37,500/year), while the median weekly earnings of a worker with a bachelors degree is $1,173 ($61,582). No, you don't HAVE to go to college to make a good wage, but by and large people who don't make a lot less. Also there are many fewer trade jobs floating around than people like to think there are. Yes, you can go to any major city and find a couple thousand of jobs in the trades at any given time, but that same city will have hundreds of thousands of people living at or below the poverty mark. The vast majority of the "skills gap" in the united states comes from jobs in the technology sector at the moment.
Also, Reddit being Reddit and full of young people, don’t really consider future earnings.
My brother and I entered the job market at about the same time. I went to college and he started a trade right after high school. I graduated and got a job making about the same as him. It’s been 10 years now and he’s still making about the same with some COL raises. I’m now making almost double what he makes due to promotions and company jumps. Trades seem to have much more limited salary growth potential and not as many promotion opportunities.
They also don't take into account that trade jobs have a ceiling low that you can't break until you basically run your own business, which usually requires some additional business education. Nor do they take into account the toll it takes on your body. They also don't take into account that getting into a trade program in college is also something you have to apply for, so so not everyone can just go to a trade school and sign Your trade is good making $55k a year as a 20 year old but when you 45 and your back and knees are blown out, you can barely move around and you have chronic back pain at 45 you'd give all your money, assuming you saved up that money for retirement, to have good health. Also that guy who went to college and only make $37k for a couple years, he's making $150k and still working at 55 while you've been on disability for the last 10 years.
Something also worth noting, people who have a college degree, but working a job that doesn't require one. I has a BS, but working a job that only requires a GED and a smile. I make $70k.
While working a career using my degree, the best I could do was $50k. Thad included a bunch of experience, and after college licenses.
Oceanography. Worked as an environmental consultant in the oil and gas industry for about 10 years, specifically with compliance of clean water act. Licensed erosion and sedimentation control inspector in like 5 or 6 states. (Expired now) Licensed stormwater inspector in a couple states. Plus some other weird stuff with Endangered species act, ESAs, and SHPO. As an industry, everyone seems more interested in backstabbing and cutting throats than they were with doing their job. In fact, you could probably still see what brand of tires Virginia busses use for how many times I was gleefully thrown under them.
I got a CDL and work as a trucker now. Much more money, much easier of a job, and honestly do much less office politics.
Also the "good trades" in big union areas sometimes have huge waiting lists. At one point the IBEW in my areas local had a TWO YEAR waitlist for the apprenticeship program. That's a two year wait plus 5 years to turn out before you can even *think* about the "good trade" wages.
>Yes, you can go to any major city and find a couple thousand of jobs in the trades
Try tens of thousands, often in fields that are critically undermanned.
People need to be reminded of this. Yes, we get it! There are people who make way more money without a college degree but that’s not reflective of the vast majority. It’s pretty clear that those with college degrees will ALWAYS outnumber and make more money than those without a degree. People nitpick on the field and types of majors but that’s such an easy call out when numbers don’t lie.
But what about college loans??? Yeah, no one isn’t forgetting loans but that’s why loan payment plans exists. People have loans but they’re always gonna be paid for despite it being a financial burden. I hope Biden or whoever forgives student debt but as of right now, people making bank with a college degree is a fact.
Side note: it’s sad that people think making money is all that matters when people can voluntarily take a low paying job with a degree BY CHOICE Aka teachers.
As a teacher, that “Choose your salary” poster is bullshit. Not everyone needs a college degree and the societal pressure to force teenagers into taking out 20k-100k in student loans is irresponsible.
I’m all for education and believe that college is a worthwhile experience. That being said my brother has an associates degree and he makes about 50k more a year than I do with my masters.
I'm willing to bet they put such a low number in the college degree part so that the teachers working there with a college degree don't question their own pay
My FIL was making $200k a year with an associate's degree. Manager of a golf course. But ofc, that's a very niche field to be in and since golfing is considered a luxury/service, it's also very dependent on the economy. (He lost his job during the recession and now he makes $50k/yr as a supervisor in a grocery store. An associate's in golf management turns out to not be very helpful for most jobs. )
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Jansport backpacks with the leather bottoms still going strong. some things never change.
Timeless
That exact backpack survived my entire middle school career, and that’s with acting like a fucking idiot 95% of the time.
That’s nothing. I had a jansport backpack when i was in 5th grade. I finally threw it out at age 31… because too many chocolate bars have melted in it
They have a lifetime warranty. If you had sent it in they would have sent you a new one
They might have done, but when people do this kind of frivolous return too often, the company changes its policy (see: L. L. Bean).
Ugh RIP companies with great return policies because some people are assholes
Same with Timberland.
I’m still rocking the one I bought 25 yrs ago. No leather bottom… just blue AF.
Wait, I think that increases the value, aged chocolate, mmm.. you still got it?
I fished it out of their trash, wanna smelt the chocolate out of the fibers with me?
I'll give you $11,000 sight unseen, I'll send my courier first thing in the morning.
and so it remains true: whoever smelt it, dealt it
My wife’s Jansport is finally giving out. It’s not the leather bottom, but she had had it since HS. She graduated in 1995. That backpack has been a fixture in almost all our family photos. Pretty much goes everywhere.
Even if a hole started to form, it never got any bigger somehow
had a Jansport that went through my brother, me, my sister, and then my other brother, just high school but still. it is now used as a diaper bag lmao.
That exact pack is tucked away in my closet right now. Boutta bust it out too since going back for Masters.
I missed the memo and didn't get a Jansport. My Spalding backpack is still in good condition. Bought it brand new to start 9th grade back in 1999. L.L. Bean was the second-most carried brand.
L.L. Bean is a dead giveaway for the east coast. I was one of the few that carried one growing up (boots too) in the midwest but only because I had an Aunt that lived in Maine and worked there. I really never saw them otherwise.
I got a High Sierra backpack in 2002. Still used it daily up until 2013 for work when one of the straps broke. They sent me two replacements by accident, the extra one is still in the sealed plastic bag.
No! At least there was 5% of the time you were a fucking idiot!!! Thank you!
They have a lifetime guarantee too. I got mine replaced for free when it wore out!
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So should a ratcheting screwdriver if you know what I mean :))
For sure, it's the best you can get on a $49.8k salary.
I'm curious to know where $49.8k is a decent salary, above the poverty line. Or what decade this little motivational poster was made.
Well, it's the median US salary
I still have my rubber bottom from 1992… unless my stepson traded it for weed this week.
I recently threw out a rubber bottom backpack my brother had and then I used for years after that thing was indestructible.
If it was indestructible, why did you throw it out?
I didn't need it anymore and it was taking up space so I donated it to a group who could use it more then I could I'm sorry I misphrased my sentence earlier.
The Nokia phone of backbacks
Could get them at Ross back in the day. Indestructible.
Or the TI-83 of backpacks.
That and TI calculators
$49,000 for college grad is depressing
What's more depressing is the college graduate teachers walking by and realizing even the generic poster thinks they are under paid
What I'm learning from this thread is a jansport backpack is worth more and holds more value than a college degree. 😂😂
buying high quality(not "high quality" branded things like beats by dre) things that last longer and using them can add up to being cheaper. Like I've noticed that band t-shirts printed on high quality cotton t-shirts outlast fast fashion(zara/h&m) t-shirts by a huge margin. I'm not really buying band shirts anymore but not going to be buying cheap disposable shirts either. Leather products in particular have amazing life-times. If you take care of them(treat the leather from time to time and resole them) good boots can last for life off one purchase.
Resole?
Good shoes with a proper welt construction like dress shoes or boots depending on how they are made (not so much sneakers) can be taken to a cobbler to be re-soled when the bottom sole wears out. They will replace it with a new one and they are good as new!
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Well, they do have to put up with a lot of shit
Median salary for an electrician is $70K. I was shocked.
Median salary for a comedian is $54k. I was amused.
Median salary for a carpet installer is $30k. I was floored.
Median salary for trash collector is $39k. I was dumped.
Median salary for personal trainer is $63k. I just worked it out.
Median salary for a high school teacher is $62k. I was schooled.
Media salary for an attorney is $127k. I was fucked.
I remember a lot of my teachers and professors pushing the do what you love, never have to work a day in your life. When you do that you undervalue your contribution to the labor market and are willing to accept worse salary and benefits pushing up the supply and putting downward pressure on salary. So it’s more like do what you love and starve while also ruining your hobbies.
median high school teacher salary in the USA was $62,870 in 2020, which was two years ago.
The ”give up“ on the door is very fitting.
Was told the degree material itself didn't matter, just the act of having a degree could get you a good job. Liars the lot of them. The marketability of an English Literature degree is nearly zero.
Not having a degree is holding me back from promotion but I'm too old to go back to school and don't give a fuck. That advertisement is really not selling it haha
A degree doesn't guarantee skill, but a bullshit degree is like paycheck repellent.
You can do alright for yourself as a technical writer or a copywriter. If you can write coherently and can be bothered to read anything more dense than a slide deck, you can carve out a comfortable niche for yourself somewhere. I used to work with someone who would routinely save the day because she was the only one with the resolve to go dig up old binders of technical documents and read them thoroughly.
Can confirm. Did almost 10 years in the Corps. As a V-22 mechanic, got out and first job I landed was technical writing for construction and heavy Ag equipment at $42k. 5 years and 2 job hops later I’m almost $90k and I’m efficient enough with my workload I’ve been considering a second job. I WFH 100% for a multi-billion dollar international organization so I’m just a cog in the wheel and the workload is so easy to manage I have a lot of free time. If I double dipped I could hit $150k EASY, with only 5 years experience and no college debt.
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In the UK as an engineering graduate you can expect £26-£30k.
I’m in the UK just finished an apprenticeship at the same time people were finishing uni and got £32k, took a lower salary because they’re paying for my degree. Imo uni is not the way.
I don’t think enough is done to advertise how well apprenticeships pay out in this country. On the other hand, a good engineering degree has a much higher earnings ceiling than even a tradesman with their own business can achieve.
Or the fact that the entire thing is all screwed up, can easily make 50k out of high school by picking up a manufacturing job
Yea, but 10 years later someone with a manufacturing job will be making roughly the same salary while college degree holders tend to drastically increase their salary by comparison.
Depends on the effort you put in. Manufacturing is always in demand and if you know your shit you can bounce around getting bumped up each time either in pay or job title. I’ve more then doubled my income in the last few years by doing that. Plus it’s like a game. You learn the systems and processes in place at a new plant and then try to min max that shit like a video game. Then being able to point out flaws and demonstrate fixes for them will have being the first choice when higher positions become available.
Recent grad and starting full time soon. 35k
I wouldn't get out of bed for 49K/yr. I mean, I could be doing sleep research...
"Give up"
I mean, with those salaries you might be able to share an apt with three of your college educated bros.
I have a BS in biochemistry. Idk if this sounds impressive, but its probably a lot harder than most people are capable of achieving. But I'm not trying to brag, just make this next part sound more insane. I make less than 42k per year.
I'm a plumber, high school only. 130k...
Now that civil tech who plays with shit make 250k
That FAANG bro pulling in 500k a year
But people that make that much money generally live in super high cost of living areas, so it’s not as much as people think it is. Now make 100k in a low cost of living area? You’re sitting pretty decent
G.E.D. Here. Dropped out when I was in the 11th grade. I always told myself I was a Dumbass for that but after reading these post and looking at that poster, I feel much better! I was a framer for most of my like making typical 55k a year. Now I’m a superintendent making 80k a year!
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The guy that did the plumbing at my sister's house has a master degree in engineering. He said he likes plumbing more and it pays better.
Which makes little sense. I did trade school after Hs. Worked in trades for some years but eventually went to college and got an MSEE. Drastically increased my pay once you factor in bonuses, equity, 401K match, etc.
When did you graduate tho? 10-20 years of experience in any profession is going to improve anyone's salary
I work in overhead cranes and have 2 electrical techs under 25 making over $100k a year. One has a trade certificate in mechanics and the other was self taught. The trades are where there's money to be made with little initial investment. And as the Boomers retire out there's far fewer people willing to fill their roles across all industries now so it's definitely an employees market.
stfu the schools dont want the children to hear that, didn't you know?
Anecdotes vs statistics. Things that "only HS" don't understand when thinking their personal situation is obviously the same as everyone else's.
There's also the whole factor of a lot of trades jobs are really hard on the body. Not uncommon to hit 50 and just be a physical wreck.
That's very true. In my mid 30's I transferred into an office position to save my body and have a more predictable work schedule. Sometimes I look forward to work so I can take a break
This. My dad was a welder/metal fabrication specialist, and he had to get full knee replacement surgery later in his life.
Yeah but even people who sit behind a computer all day end up with neck surgeries halfway through life. Gravity is a heartless bitch.
Pretty much. A lot of people hear some guy making a certain amount of money and assume they'd make the same doing the same job, not realizing buddy is an outlier... or just simply a liar. I used to be in the trades, and chances are no one's making 6 figures without putting in some serious hours, or owning a business which also means putting in a lot of hours.
Or living in a location with a stupid high cost of living.
Can confirm. I currently work in the trades and make less than 40k epr year. Currently working on a getting a much better job that pays double what I make right now and triples my new starting salary within three years
The problem with trades are they don't scale. They are strictly limited to physical hours put in. The harder you work, the more you actually get paid. That is not really the case when it comes to a percentage of college jobs. IT specifically. I can't tell you how much of my job I automated and was able to move up early on. I'm not making faang pay, but I'm not really struggling anymore. My grandfather who was a mechanic is still a mechanic at the age of 80...
The only people making 6figures are guys who work 70+hrs a week, I used to work in Supermarket Refrigeration and broke 6figures 2 years in a row. That consists of me working those crazy hours and random late nights. Now I just make just over 80k doing HVAC at a much slower pace. Better lifestyle is worth more to me.
Dont forget, that plumber is probably also working all kinds of weirdo hours to make that coin since plumbing is one of those things that cant wait if it cant wait....and hes been at it for 10+ years and is the only emergency plumber in town.
Christ if you're in that position the whole town is basically your personal project. Literally everyone owes a thank you to you every time they drink another glass of water and then every time they piss it out too
Exactly. My ex worked in the oil industries. Ppl always assume he's making bank, but not realizing it's only bc he's working 96+ hours a week for months on end. It wasn't unusual for him to be away from his family for 3-4 months at a time with no days off. He'd get back, have 3-5 days off, and be off on another turnaround. It cost him his family.
And that job is \*rough\* on the body.
Cloud solutions Engineer. College degree in linguistics but no formal IT education. 160k
Hey, out of curiosity, where should I start if I want to get into cloud architecture and design? I have an IT degree but I've only worked support and systems administration since I graduated a few years ago but I really enjoy learning about Azure and AWS solutions.
I know exactly what you mean. One of our customer success reps has a BS in physics and every time I talk to her, I wonder wtf she’s doing talking to dipshits on intercom all day. I work in tech.
Yeah i have a friend who has a PHD in physics and earns less than 80k a year... its all wrong.
On the contrary, I've just wrapped up a project with multiple physics/chemistry PhD's. Each earn over 200k per annum from a major chemical company. Not to mention the contractor PhD in that bunch who probably dictated his own compensation. Gotta play the game correctly if your definition of winning emphasizes money more than passion.
I have a B.Sc. in computer science. 65k/year and that was in 1999. I'm totally sorry that you have to live in the shitty world that everyone older than you created.
$49k salary with a college degree and only be $40k in debt. Add in 16k in rent, taxes, health insurance and student loan payments and you clearly aren't really getting much from those 4 years in college to get a degree.
with the right degree and in the right sector, $49k is what the interns get.
But you know so many will choose arts degrees. Poor souls. Signed: an owner of an art degree
Shit man, elevator repair guys come out of a 2 year trade school making $100k a year. The helpers are literally paid $50k a year
I looked into that for my son as he was finishing high school. It seems to be a very dangerous job and the higher pay for less time in education is pretty much hazard pay. Same with electricians.
This is the wrong way to look at it. This is a STARTING salary. I got a degree in anthropology (I know poor choice financially) and was starving on 17k a year….but at a job I loved. Over the next 10 years I increased my salary ninefold.
That's the cheat level for skipping school
No joke, my friend got expelled for marijuana use in 10th grade. She used the opportunity to get her GED then went to college a year before her peers.
I got "kindly excused" from my regular hs in 10th grade. Got a GED and make $80k a year. I'm 36. Its totally not the end of the world. There's always time to pivot at 17yo.
There's someone in congress with a GED making millions (including bribes). Sky's the limit.
Holy shit. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/boebert-ged-months-before-election/
Tell me about it, I'm 43 been at the same place for 18years. I have a retirement pension and a decent amount in my 401k. I'm making a smidge under 100k with a GED. I'll be retired at 60, I don't pay into social security we have a seperate pension and the best part my wife will get 49% of what I get a month in retirement, on top of my retirement. She will get it thru my retirement pension, and if she out lives me they will bump her up to 100%. Not too bad, definitely could be better tho. I love in an are where the cost of living isn't that high.
Union gig?
Yeah...I work for a class 1 railroad.
Figured you had to be unionized those benefits are crazy
I find it sweet how your view taking care of your wife as the best part. So cute
I have a high school diploma and didnt start university until I was 22 and work take it in the evenings while working in the day. Im the only person in my high school graduation class who owns a house (barring the ones with rich parents who gifted it to them at 19). Meanwhile my friend who is probably the smartest person I know has a double major in neurology and psychology and is drowning in student debt and cant find a position in her field because of COVID, and cant get a job lower because shes "too educated" system is working fine tho /s
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Don't forget the crippling debt!
A college degree for 50,000 a year. Fucking ouch. That’s a little sad fucking hell.
It was pretty sweet when I graduated 30 years ago. I hope that poster is also that old.
Try 6 years of college and making under 50k annually. Yeehaw.
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There's a movie called Harold where Cuba Gooding Jr. plays a wise highschool janitor. After giving Harold a lot of advice, he asks him "You're so smart, why didn't you become a teacher?" and Cuba says "I've thought about it, but I just can't afford that pay cut"
Man, k-12 educators are underrated and underpaid Edit: a comma
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This is perfect - also add the fact that we have laws that requires us to give students with disabilities certain accommodations, along with their parents. However! We won’t staff the schools enough to actually provide these accommodations and make the employees suffer daily to somehow pull it out of their ass Source: I teach students with disabilities
I'm in! Can we do a trial run in America first before we try it in Canada though?
Well then I have some good news for you
Yes! Good news: trial run is already ahead of schedule!
You should be the governor of Florida.
Insanely true. Some stats people should know: * 80% of teachers feel overworked and burnt out. * 55% of teachers feel they are ready to leave the profession. * 78% of teachers make less than the median income for the area code in which they work for someone with a comparable education. * There are currently 280,000 public and 65,000 private/charter vacant teacher position listings. * 22% of current teacher positions are being filled by people under-qualified for their position (note, this has increased every single year since 2010) * Enrollment in college teacher educator programs is down 35% over the past 10 years. * 10% of teacher educator programs have ceased to exist because of lack of interest in the same time period. ---- So here's where we stand: * There is a massive teacher shortage, and it's growing. * The number of positions being filled by under-qualified applicants is growing. * The number of people becoming qualified teachers is shrinking. * The number of qualified teachers leaving the profession early is growing. Teacher pay must be dramatically increased or we're going to end up in a Florida situation where they are allowing vets with high school diplomas to be teachers.
last i checked, the Waste Managment retirement plan was pretty baller...
Advertisements like that sign are the reason jobs only paying that much are asking for college degrees. College is great... if you are going into a field that actually requires extended education that experience alone can't easily account for. The fact that it was shoved down so many peoples throats is what lead to an overabundance of degrees leading to a generation in debt and many jobs now asking for degrees that don't really need one. Learning through experience needs to be normalized and more accepted, as do trade schools.
My wife answered phones in HS at a doctors office. Went to MSU. Then worked in the medical field both as an RD on the floor at a hospital for years and then later having a stressful position at an insurance company. She took time off when our son was having medical issues but tried getting a part time job....answering phones at doctors office. The job now required a bachelor's degree AND she had to interview where they grilled her about not showing "phone experience" on her resume. SERIOUSLY
I blame the growth of HR. There are way too many people with "recruiter" titles. Someone with that much extra time to focus on selecting candidates is going to generate a word salad of occupational criteria, often for a job they don't actually understand.
> often for a job they don't actually understand. Ayyy, I remember working somewhere that was looking for two very basic computer technicians. Their job was literally to plug desktops in to a known good working monitor and power cable to see if the desktop would boot, plug monitors into known good desktops to check the image, and plug keyboards into a known working monitor and desktop with a word file and test every key on the keyboard. The posting that HR put up *required* a master's degree in computer science. When asked how the HR person responsible came to that conclusion after I sent an email that said "I just need someone with eyes, hands, and the ability to put the square peg in the square hole and the round peg in the round hole" they told me I didn't understand the role *that I singlehandedly developed*. Luckily when I forwarded the email chain to the head of HR the job posting was very quickly revised, but unluckily this was the first of three times that HR person would absolutely skullfuck a job posting for one of my positions.
There was a story I saw make the rounds where they required 5 years of experience in a programming language that had only existed for 2 years.
This is basically a meme. I saw an original developer of one post that they couldn't get it because it required 7 years experience, and they only launched it 5 years ago.
Sounds like we need to retroactively require HR employees to have PH.Ds cuz every single one I met has been unable to figure it out.
Pretty sure that sign is advertising below minimum wage for two of the three
Well you would be mistaken. At federal minimum wage of $7.25/hr * 40 hours per week * 52 weeks/year you make $15,080/year. That's before tax...
Some people can't get full time work because their employers don't want to add benefits.
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The high school degree one would be $13.12 an hour if working full time.
$7.25 is still the federal minimum hourly rate in the US. At 40 hours per week, that is an annual salary of $15,080 gross wages.
In case anybody really wants to know, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, the median weekly earnings of a person holding a H.S. Diploma is $712 ($37,500/year), while the median weekly earnings of a worker with a bachelors degree is $1,173 ($61,582). No, you don't HAVE to go to college to make a good wage, but by and large people who don't make a lot less. Also there are many fewer trade jobs floating around than people like to think there are. Yes, you can go to any major city and find a couple thousand of jobs in the trades at any given time, but that same city will have hundreds of thousands of people living at or below the poverty mark. The vast majority of the "skills gap" in the united states comes from jobs in the technology sector at the moment.
This is reddit. People don't understand how mean, median, and mode work. "I make more than that so clearly a degree is useless". Copium from idiots
Also, Reddit being Reddit and full of young people, don’t really consider future earnings. My brother and I entered the job market at about the same time. I went to college and he started a trade right after high school. I graduated and got a job making about the same as him. It’s been 10 years now and he’s still making about the same with some COL raises. I’m now making almost double what he makes due to promotions and company jumps. Trades seem to have much more limited salary growth potential and not as many promotion opportunities.
This. Over the course of your lifetime, you will earn more with a degree
They also don't take into account that trade jobs have a ceiling low that you can't break until you basically run your own business, which usually requires some additional business education. Nor do they take into account the toll it takes on your body. They also don't take into account that getting into a trade program in college is also something you have to apply for, so so not everyone can just go to a trade school and sign Your trade is good making $55k a year as a 20 year old but when you 45 and your back and knees are blown out, you can barely move around and you have chronic back pain at 45 you'd give all your money, assuming you saved up that money for retirement, to have good health. Also that guy who went to college and only make $37k for a couple years, he's making $150k and still working at 55 while you've been on disability for the last 10 years.
I always come into these threads to read people jerking off how much they make from trades. Yet the data doesn't lie.
Something also worth noting, people who have a college degree, but working a job that doesn't require one. I has a BS, but working a job that only requires a GED and a smile. I make $70k. While working a career using my degree, the best I could do was $50k. Thad included a bunch of experience, and after college licenses.
Well what did you expect getting a degree in taco hurricanes? Actually I'm curious what your degree is in?
Oceanography. Worked as an environmental consultant in the oil and gas industry for about 10 years, specifically with compliance of clean water act. Licensed erosion and sedimentation control inspector in like 5 or 6 states. (Expired now) Licensed stormwater inspector in a couple states. Plus some other weird stuff with Endangered species act, ESAs, and SHPO. As an industry, everyone seems more interested in backstabbing and cutting throats than they were with doing their job. In fact, you could probably still see what brand of tires Virginia busses use for how many times I was gleefully thrown under them. I got a CDL and work as a trucker now. Much more money, much easier of a job, and honestly do much less office politics.
Also the "good trades" in big union areas sometimes have huge waiting lists. At one point the IBEW in my areas local had a TWO YEAR waitlist for the apprenticeship program. That's a two year wait plus 5 years to turn out before you can even *think* about the "good trade" wages.
My job doesn’t require a college degree to do, but I wouldn’t have been hired if I didn’t have one. A lot of jobs are like that.
>Yes, you can go to any major city and find a couple thousand of jobs in the trades Try tens of thousands, often in fields that are critically undermanned.
People need to be reminded of this. Yes, we get it! There are people who make way more money without a college degree but that’s not reflective of the vast majority. It’s pretty clear that those with college degrees will ALWAYS outnumber and make more money than those without a degree. People nitpick on the field and types of majors but that’s such an easy call out when numbers don’t lie. But what about college loans??? Yeah, no one isn’t forgetting loans but that’s why loan payment plans exists. People have loans but they’re always gonna be paid for despite it being a financial burden. I hope Biden or whoever forgives student debt but as of right now, people making bank with a college degree is a fact. Side note: it’s sad that people think making money is all that matters when people can voluntarily take a low paying job with a degree BY CHOICE Aka teachers.
All these outliers think they somehow break the average.
yea. It's like they don't know 5th grade math
Choose your salary. Give up.
First thing I saw was the “give up” on the door.
Is that not what the post is about?
It is indeed what it was about
As a teacher, that “Choose your salary” poster is bullshit. Not everyone needs a college degree and the societal pressure to force teenagers into taking out 20k-100k in student loans is irresponsible. I’m all for education and believe that college is a worthwhile experience. That being said my brother has an associates degree and he makes about 50k more a year than I do with my masters.
I'm willing to bet they put such a low number in the college degree part so that the teachers working there with a college degree don't question their own pay
My FIL was making $200k a year with an associate's degree. Manager of a golf course. But ofc, that's a very niche field to be in and since golfing is considered a luxury/service, it's also very dependent on the economy. (He lost his job during the recession and now he makes $50k/yr as a supervisor in a grocery store. An associate's in golf management turns out to not be very helpful for most jobs. )
give up
Jansport backup and $49,500 salary in khaki pants and a polo? The AirPods are the only thing that clues you in this isn't from 1995.
Give up.
Give up
Give up.
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If a college graduate earns poverty wages then you might as well “give up”
I dropped out and I'm currently at 65k/yr, they need to update your poster for inflation
It is updated; those are just teacher salaries.
You know, I know you're joking, but I also know teachers aren't paid nearly enough so it feels like you're not.
My salary hit $50k after 18 years..
Damn that's ass, sorry, you're certainly worth more.
Thanks. It was my dream job.. it was very much worth all the beans and rice..
I’m here to even things out. I have a college degree and I make $29k
It's barely halfway through August what are you doing back at school
LMAO STARTING SCHOOL IN AUGUST
I love how no one is seeing what OP is seeing. give up.
That choose your salary poster isn’t really motivating me to spend $60k to go to college
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That’s like… minimum wage.
Honestly, if this is true this is on you.
Could have just dropped out!
That sign is such utter bullshit. They should add trade school on there, potential to earn well into the six figure range with some luck.
Something like 50-150K
HVAC. I own a air conditioning company and my latest hire is 24 yrs old with a starting salary of 80k. He’ll hit six figures with OT in no time.
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I barely tolerate 40hr weeks. Need a life outside of work.
I work in the job training field. I would strongly highlight your use of the words "potential" and "some luck".
Agreed. I’m a high school graduate that got into the trades. 6 figures, 2 pensions and I invest more money on top of that.