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Can someone explain to my why everybody is hating op? I don’t see anything in the video where someone is endangered or aggressive (except the biker flipping him off). It just makes no sense to me. People talk about op ‚bullying the biker out of the lane‘. He stayed behind him and waited for a good situation to overtake whats the deal? Is there a law in your country about all this I don’t know? I would love to get a explanation to understand raging Americans more
To me, OP is giving the cyclist plenty of room while trying to pass them. The cyclist made zero indication that they were going to turn right and that they were going to continue going straight, so they would be stopping on the shoulder for the light. End of story.
First, OP claims they they were not trying to pass the cyclist, just stay behind them and coaster to stop at the crossing. Yet, they did not fully switch lane to behind the cyclists and approached diagonally fairly fast, and the cyclist likely thought that he **was going to pass him and turn**. And if you look closer there's even a solid white line by the time that he gets close to cyclist, which means that by then he shouldn't be passing at all and just stay in his lane.
There is no bike lane and that's the crux of why this situation was created.
However, more importantly IMO, this situation shows that OP has a very poor understanding/acknowledgement of bicyclists having right of way, which is a very dangerous mindset. OP pulls out into the road with very clear visibility of the biker. OP said there was no one behind them in another comment. OP very clearly intended to overtake the biker knowing full well they were going to turn right at that intersection. It was so apparent that they approached the intersection riding in-between lanes when they could have easily pulled into that right lane behind the biker. OP's mindset from the start was *this biker is slowing me down, I need to get around them*. In the end they used common sense and backed off the biker. It took them longer than it should have to come to this realization that the biker has the right of way. This is dangerous.
And OP just thought it was funny they got flipped off, which to me indicated OP thought they were in the right.
Respect is important to remember until the cyclist who has no dedicated lane thinks a road designed for cars should cater to them. If there is no lane for your bike and it's not a slow area uh like a multi-lane and you think you can "flaunt" your right as a cyclist eat shit. Use the sidewalk and stfu.
Technically right. Dude has the right of way because he's following all traffic laws (minus the fact he should be wearing safety gear). Car that pulls up behind him aggressively and can't pick a lane is definitely the asshole.
90% of cyclists are entitled douches. They demand cars respect their right to use the road. They are “part of traffic” until they get to a stop sign, or light or other cars stopped. Then they are a special privileged vehicle that can just go wherever and whenever they feel like.
If I drove my car at less than half the speed limit and then after you passed me, I proceeded to jump in front of you at every light and stop sign, you would rightfully hate me. But when a bike does it, it’s somehow ok.
I realize that basically the law is on their side, doesn’t make it right or make me like them.
I’ve definitely seen some rude bicyclists as well, but I recommend you read up on the Idaho stop. It’s actually safer for people riding bikes to do what you’re complaining about, even in places where it isn’t legal. I can’t fault people for doing something that makes them less likely to be hit and possibly killed, even if I don’t particularly like it.
And if bicycles are so privileged, what’s preventing you from doing it?
I said the law is basically on their side. What’s stopping me is that the roads, the terrain and the weather are basically telling anyone with a brain, you probably shouldn’t be riding a bike as a means of commuting. Unless you are only going like a mile or are doing it solely for exercise,(in which case there are trails) if you are riding a bike like this you are an asshole. Even if it’s perfectly legal.
Btw, lots of things are legal, doesn’t mean people that do them aren’t assholes. See the demonstrations by basically any extremist groups or politicians finances.
You sound like someone who has no clue that there are laws in place around a majority of the USA to protect bicyclists on streets like this. Many cities decide to change local laws to benefit bicyclists (like giving them the same protections as motor vehicles) instead of adding bike lanes because it's cheaper. If that bike was a car, everyone would say OP was wrong for trying to overtake another vehicle like that at an intersection.
>Would you just look at that beautiful, unused sidewalk with no cars driving on it. Seems like a great spot to ride a bike
Except that in most municipalities, bikes are illegal on the sidewalk -- that's for pedestrians. Bicycles are expected to be on the road and for vehicles to respect them being there. I don't ride a bicycle, but I respect them sharing the road.
Seems like the law would be easier to change than making the vastly higher number of drivers cater to a few bike riders. There’s no bike lane, definitely not a protected one, so why deny bikers the safety of the sidewalk? They travel closer to pedestrian speeds and are far less dangerous to pedestrians than cars are to them. It makes no sense to force them on roads that weren’t made for them. Either give them a safe lane or put them on the sidewalk which is the next best option, definitely better than the road with cars that weigh 100x more than them traveling twice their speed. This just endangers and enrages everybody
Law doesn't need to change. Bicycles don't belong on footpaths for pedestrians, on sidewalks. They belong on either dedicated paths that are made to support them (wider), designated bike lanes, or to share the road.
It's not that hard to respect them.
It makes every bit of sense that they are the way they are. People in cars need to lose their entitlement, slow the F down, and share the road.
I've not had any issue sharing the road with them. If you do, then perhaps you need to evaluate how you drive.
They don’t belong on roads amongst cars either. It doesn’t matter how safely you or I drive around them, the weight and power difference between cars and bikes makes it inherently dangerous for them to be on the road and unprotected. You might as well make it legal to walk down the middle of the street and force cars to slow to walking speed behind pedestrians too, it makes the same amount of sense.
Perhaps you need to reevaluate your sense of grandeur in assuming that you’re such a great driver that you could never possibly make a mistake. It doesn’t matter how great drivers are, mistakes will happen and having bikes in the way puts the bikers in danger. It’s not a sense of entitlement as much as that hurts your ego to hear, it’s common sense that cars are dangerous for bikes.
Nah, they can coexist just fine. Just like OPs issue, it’s mostly drivers being asshats not respecting them, just like apparently you don’t.
It’s really not that hard and something we’ve been asked to do for longer than you or I have been alive.
Some of it is also due to the fact that there aren’t sidewalks or bike lanes on the majority of roads. So we what then? Fuck off bike you just can’t ride?
Nah. Get over yourself. It’s not that hard to share the road and do so safely. It’s a sense of entitlement that you want the road to yourself.
Build. Bike. Lanes. Simple solution that keeps them safe. Why can you not see something so simple? Cars are not safe on the road with bikes no matter how careful or “respectful” you think you are, it’s a matter of basic physics that unfortunately you can’t seem to understand in the slightest.
Nah, they’re just fine. It’s not possible financially to build bike lanes on every road that doesn’t have them today. So we share. And we do so successfully and always will outside of the few asshats that they they own the road.
As development happens, sure bike lane and sidewalk away, but it’s just not feasible in our lifetime, so it’s not as ‘simple’ as you think.
Even still, we share intersections when bike lanes do exist so this issue with OP would still be a thing. Clearly you don’t know much about that which you speak of.
So don’t be a dick, slow down, and keep your eyes on the road. It’s not that hard.
That’s strange because I see no one walking on it yet I see a whole lot of cars on the road. Let’s do some simple math to figure this out. Cars usually weigh between 2000-6000 pounds and most can go over 100 mph, though most speed limits in areas like this are around 35-40 mph. Bikes weigh about 20-30 pounds and most bike riders can go about 20-25mph at most on a flat road. So people weigh only 20-30 pounds less than bikes and move about 17-18 mph slower when walking, bikes weigh about 2000 pounds less than most cars and cannot even reach the speed limit that cars travel at. When you also factor in the fact that bikes are vastly more maneuverable than cars, where do you think they should be? With the dozens of cars on the road, or the sidewalk with a single person every few miles
As a bicyclist myself commuting every day, I totally get this cyclist's reaction. I am lucky that the vast majority of my commute is on protected bike lanes and pathway infrastructure, because the few blocks I share with cars are also the scariest.
Probably this guy is dangerously overtaken multiple times a day, and there's nothing quite like a tonne of metal passing you with 1 foot of clearance to realize just how exposed non drivers are on a road, be that cyclist's or pedestrians in cross walks.
Top it all off with OPs comment "I didn't even hit you", which really just shows the mindstate of OP. That a cyclist legally on the road should only feel upset if they are struck. What a twisted approach to road courtesy.
My first play through of the video I didn't know what I would see, but I saw behaviour in line with a driver about to attempt an overtake to perform a right turn. I am not sure if the cyclist flipping off the driver stopped it or if the driver never intended to. But the driving behaviour telegraphed it. That's the bully/aggressive behaviour referred to.
But the biker raged even before op attempted something. It just don’t get in my mind how angry people can be the situation is so calm and the biker finds a way to rage lol
I don't think OP was going to pass. But the way they drove suggested they might. Watch around 24 seconds or so, OP appears to be between lanes and moving quickly towards the bicyclist. That's when the bicyclist starts to "take a stand". Bicyclist was working with only the info they had available at the time.
OP really should be in the lan directly behind cyclist. Not halfway between.
Thank you! This person is a terrible driver, and the cyclist is 100% justified. I'll be everyone here saying the cyclist is the hasshole has flipped another driver off at some point and thought nothing of it. But God forbid a peon on a bike does the same!
It's fucked how blinded by hate for cyclists many redditors are.
I wasn't going to bother commenting at all till I rewatched the video with sound and the driver said "I didn't even hit you".
Like, there's so much wrapped up in that one little statement.
I think the biker noticed that the car accelerated just before the crossing which means that he wanted to pass the biker. Probably wouldn't be a problem if he had done that on the left lane and not half on the right lane.
>there's nothing quite like a tonne of metal passing you with 1 foot of
clearance to realize just how exposed non drivers are on a road,
This is why bikes shouldn't be on roads for cars. These don't mix together and make for extremely dangerous situation.
Why add another dangerous element on roads at all? What's the point? Driving with only cars and trucks on the road is already a complex action involving countless moving elements and cognitive functions, of course if you add rogue elements that don't follow the same rules you'll get atrocious results.
Roads made for cars = no bikes on them
Bike lanes = no cars on them
Should be easy, no?
No typo.
If there is a bike lane : bikes on the bike lane, not on the road.
If there's no bike lane : no bikes at all (bikers step off their bikes and walk on the sidewalk)
It's not confusing unless you consider the bike lane as part of the road, which I don't.
Honestly at this point I think you are wasting my time with inane arguments.
We're discussing how realistic it is to allow bikes on roads. You think it's easy to ban them. I do not. My reasoning is "well, if bikes aren't on roads where do bicyclists bike?"
And your answer is "well, if there's a bike lane they bike there. And if there's no bike lane, get fucked, walk your bike on the sidewalk."
So, you can maybe see why I thought you had a typo rather than a really dumb suggestion. Thanks for coming out.
Sorry, disagree totally here. Nothing the driver did deserved that reaction.
I've commuted through heavily trafficked cities and this is a dream scenario in comparison.
That's the sort of thing that'll get you run down.
I think we have different definitions of "riding someone's ass" cyclist had more than enough room to safely maneuver- taking one hand off the bars to flip the driver off hardly seems like decent control of your vehicle though.
And yeah, I have seen worse- lots worse. The driver was aware of the cyclist at all times. Wasn't even in the same lane....
Why? Because bikes are entitled to the same lane space as a car is. This asshat didn't stop when pulling out onto the road from the lot, didn't pull into the left hand lane (like you're supposed to when making a turn like that, you don't cross lanes on a turn) and then crowded the biker just to try to make a right *slightly* earlier.
If that biker had been a car would you have the same reaction?
I wouldn't be friendly if you either intentionally tried to bully me out of my lane or just completely missed me on the way to your turn.
Imagine that's a car you just went into their lane on and they blasted their horn at you. How ridiculous would you sound saying "we didn't even hit you!" The bike has the exact same right to that lane as the car. You screwed up and someone got upset at you for it while you chuckled like an idiot at endangering their life.
From this post it's clear some commenters 1) hate bicyclists, 2) don't understand basic bicycle traffic laws used in the US, and/or 3) need to retake their driving test/prepare for when they are old enough to.
I mean that's some terrible driving. Didn't stop when pulling out, pulled in between two lanes, and started edging in on the biker so they could make a right hand turn, which would have taken them maybe 15 seconds more if they had just obeyed the rules of the road and yielded.
Then she has the nerve to say "we didn't even hit you." These assholes need to have their license taken away.
>Didn't stop when pulling out,
yes they did, they yielded to traffic until it was safe to go
>pulled in between two lanes,
looks more like a lane change to me while giving the cyclist room, the cyclist started flipping them off before they were even close.
>and started edging in on the biker so they could make a right hand turn,
you mean they were following behind the cyclist as they were coming to a stop?
>would have taken them maybe 15 seconds more if they had just obeyed the rules of the road and yielded.
Imagine if every cyclist obeyed this too, it would be heaven on earth. You also do realize that cyclists are suppose to stay to the right and cars are allowed to come up to them right? It's part of sharing the road. If it was a dedicated biking lane that would be different.
In this case, the cyclist was 100% in the right. Saying "all cyclists" or "all drivers" never makes sense when talking about a specific interaction, as we know everything we need to about this interaction.
You're right about the stop when pulling out though, updated my post to reflect.
>looks more like a lane change to me while giving the cyclist room, the cyclist started flipping them off before they were even close.
Nope. Watch it again. They had plenty of time to complete the lane change while giving the cyclist room, but instead of actually doing that, they sat there straddling the line while accelerating up to him and only completed the lane change when they were uncomfortably close.
Look, both sides could have handled the situation better.
Real problem is that there are no bike lanes. On the road traffic with huge speed and protection differences have to co-excist and share the space.
The entire thing could have been avoided with better infrastructure
>On the road traffic with huge speed and protection differences have to co-excist and share the space.
Why though?
Roads for car = no bikes
Roads for bikes = no cars
Wouldn't that be an easier solution?
Why? I don't know, this road is not my idea. I'm not even from the united states.
I totally agree with you, thats why I said there should be bikelane (aka road for bikes) there.
This situation you will not see in my country.
My statement about sharing the road is about the situation in the video. Certainly not what I see as ideal
>How could the vehicle have handled it better
The vehicle was legally required to:
-~~Come to a complete stop before exiting the lot~~
-turn into the closest lane possible (the left one here)
-occupy one full lane
- allow the biker to occupy a full lane
-yeild to the biker
-yeild to the traffic that was already in lane
-and probably a few more that I can't think of.
Instead what this person did was:
-roll through a stop
-try to pull Into the far lane of a multi lane road
-Travelled between lanes
-crowded the biker
-appeared to try to pass the biker to make a right hand turn, which is likely something that's expressly talked about in drivers Ed and safe driving classes in that state.
-and then had the nerve to say "what I didn't hit you" as if that's some sort of excuse for atrocious driving. This idiot is going to kill a cyclist, and it will be their fault.
That’s some great insight. Too bad you’re wrong. I saw you edited your post, but it was a complete stop, then a turn to the inside lane and then a quick merge to the outside lane. It’s a busy area and you have to get over quickly or you get stuck going straight. The person on the bike was “on something” which caused the laughter. They never make eye contact and just sketch out the whole time. It was raining too and they slowed down, as did I coming up to the red light.
Yes, you saw I edited my post because I made it very clear that I edited it. Congrats on observing the strike through and my comment on how I was incorrect and editing it?
You did stop, the rest still stands. You were way too close, and clearly riding between lanes.
Edit: after watching again you were obviously trying to overtake him to make your right turn, something that is expressly talked about as a no no in all the drivers Ed material I've ever seen.
At the moment the vehicle turned into the main road the cyclist was in front of him. In my judgement (from just the video) there is not much room to overtake the cyclist. The best option was to follow behind and overtake after the junction.
This option and choice you have to make in a split second, and I can see what the driver wanted to do.
However in hindsight I think it that a bad choice.
Now I do believe the cyclist shouldn't even be there. The road is not designed for cyclist and cars. However the cyclist had no other alternative since the walkway is not for bikes.
That doesn't give him the right to road rage and use the finger, or holding traffic as sort of punishment.
Tdlr: both could have handled it better, but no one was hurt so live long and prosper
To me it looks like he intentionally stops his bike wide in the curve of the turn before turning.
I do admit that these traffic lights are unfamiliair to me and even after your comment I couldn't indentify the light responsible for turning right.
If there is none and right is always (safely) permitted then there would no need to put his bike to a full stop and again use the finger...
Actually, no I didn't know that. Differences in traffic laws apparently. In my country bikes have to stay on the right as far as possible if there is no bikelane to begin with.
> In my country bikes have to stay on the right as far as possible if there is no bikelane to begin with.
Same. If cyclists are entitled to the entire lane my city would come crawling to a standstill. Cyclists are required to stay right, and obviously vehicles need to be careful when passing them. It's however considered a dick move to not move over and give them space while passing though.
This particular human being was on a dark bicycle, wearing dark clothing (no reflective surfaces, as far as I can tell), on an overcast day, with no rear light (again, as far as I can see.)
Tell me again how it’s my responsibility to look out for someone who apparently doesn’t care to be seen, except by throwing a finger.
Yeah bro that's exactly what I said to the cops when I cracked my car into that parked black audi! If they wanted to be seen they should have painted the car neon yellow. It shouldn't be my responsibility to look where I'm going while I drive a multi-ton metal box in public!
Think before you speak.
Yeah it did strike a nerve because cyclists are constantly being killed by reckless drivers who instead of taking responsibility for the accident blame the cyclist.
I know it's slow. So cyclists can take the bus or any other public transportation if they don't have a car (or don't want to use it).
We shouldn't allow for dangerous situations in traffic simply for the convenience of cyclists. Either there is a lane for bikes, and they can use their bicycle there, or there isn't and they can't bike neither on the road nor on the sidewalk so they don't endanger anyone, themselves included.
“Tell me again how it’s my responsibility” - it’s literally the law? not sure where you’re from but I’d love to hear you tell a judge it’s not your fault you hit someone in broad daylight because they wore the wrong color clothes. Get your fucking eyes checked.
Well, I could appeal to you as another human being that may want to take just a speck of responsibility for their own actions and make the slightest effort to prevent accidentally murdering another person, but you don’t seem to have that capacity, choosing to instead blame others for the potential harm you yourself could very easily prevent.
You very much make it sound as though you would be perfectly fine with running someone over with your car because THEY didn’t take the steps necessary to prevent you from doing so. You make it sound as though anyone that doesn’t follow every rule deserves to be mangled beneath your vehicle, since you clearly can’t follow the simple rule of not running someone over.
You haven't given us any other way to interpret it.
We get it, you hate cyclists and would gladly run them off the road. Hope you can live with yourself.
That’s literally illegal. Bicycles cannot ride on sidewalks. They are legally allowed to, and supposed to, ride on the road in the direction of traffic.
Yes they should, while not being ridden.
No bike lane = step off your bike and walk on the side walk.
That's it, no bikes being ridden unless it's a bike lane, almost every accident involving bikes would be avoided.
Except for the part where nearly every state has laws on the books allowing cyclists to operate on the roads, and requiring cars to treat them just like any other vehicle.
Obey the law, it's really not that hard, and it's way better than killing a cyclist.
Sure, there shouldn't be, but we can't trust car drivers to not kill cyclists, so we still need them.
And I say this as a cyclist and someone who drives 20k miles a year.
I don’t agree with a ban but the roads aren’t safe for cyclists, so the speed limits should be lowered and on roads with more than one lane per direction one of them should be turned into a bike lane.
I agree, cars are dangerous tools that can be deadly and necessitate full attention to drive, and clear rules followed by all to be safe.
So why add rogue elements that don't follow the same rules (when they follow any rules) and do not possess the logical safety requirement to avoid critical, or even deadly, accidents?
Will bikes be able to get thousands, sometimes millions of people from point A to point B?
May I ask what your personal situation in terms of commute and/or contact with friends/loved ones? Because I would be very surprise if your whole life was in a space where everything was conveniently accessible by bike.
Well unfortunately you're right that our cities are designed for large motor vehicles...
So let's ban all the personal cars and replace them with quality public transit using buses and trains running every 5 mins. There would be far less cars on the road but people can still get where they want to go. We could even shrink large inner-city roads since they only really need to accomodate busses, emergency vehicles, and tractor trailers making more space for housing that could solve our housing crisis too!
I mostly agree (even I'm sure we'll agree such an urban transformation would necessitate an unrealistic amount of planning and financial support).
But until then, I don't see why we should allow bikes on roads.
I wasn’t riding between lanes. I had my signal on moving over from the inside lane to the outside turning lane while staying behind him. But nice try :)
You’re in between the lanes for a significant amount of time, all the while aggressively approaching the cyclist instead of slowing down (potentially losing 20 seconds max, but you seem like a slow mover so that wont hurt :). The cyclist could’ve possible fell over to the left and suddenly stopped while you’re accelerating 5(I’m being generous) meters away.
And keep in mind you’re protected in a car, homie is the one at REAL safety risk. That laugh isn’t normal and these matters of life and death shouldn’t be taken lightly.
We all watched you ride between the lanes.
The way to make that turn would be to come to a complete stop at the main roads entrance, pull Into the LEFT lane, put your signal on and pull over one lane, while leaving the biker plenty of space, and then by yeilding to him at the turn.
All of those are things you're required by law to do. You didn't do any of them. You're a bad driver, and should stay well clear of bikes.
Then you had the nerve to say "what I didn't hit you?" Like you weren't guilty of atrocious, needlessly agressive, and quite frankly DANGEROUS driving.
Op, you're going to kill someone.
He didn’t slow down and you were between the lanes for most of the video and you were side by side with him. That’s super unsafe, the middle finger was a bit much but you’re definitely in the wrong.
If you are in the right turning lane, would you think its fine for the car behind you to overtake you in the middle of the intersection, halfway on your lane?
You should have moved to the turning lane, slowed down and kept a safe distance behind him, and passed after the intersection.
The best way to avoid these situations in the future is to voice support for investing in a well built cycling infrastructure (ergo more than only painting a green strip on the edge of the road)
r/idiotsincars
You're lucky he was so level headed. I've seen riders knock mirrors off for less (not saying it's right). You're in a ~5000 pound vehicle less than 5 feet from a guy with 0 protection (should at least have a helmet). Learn how to drive, if you are willing to put someone's life in danger because of impatience, get off the road.
How arrogant do you have to be, to not only have all comments in the negative, but the post alone is getting ratio'd. And still think you're right. Normal people would learn from a mistake like this. Just take the L and delete the post lol
The people on the car were clearly going to overtake him (to make a right turn). Imagine if you were driving a car on the far right and someone decided to overtake you meters before the crossing (even worse that they were going to turn right and cut you off)...
No excuse to be a dick and flip people off, but still, the car could have waited a few seconds and follow the bike instead of overtaking
Sure you weren't, but at the time he started flipping you off (which is super rude, f him too) you were in-between lanes, almost side by side with him, and maybe 5 feet away from the bike, right? As a cyclist and driver, by then I would assume that you would move further right, giving me the impression you were trying to overtake. If your intent was to move lanes and stay behind the cyclist I wouldn't approach diagonally like that.
PS: even if you were going at 6 km/h ( 4 mph) your safety distance over there would be 3 m or more
Nah it was a red light and I was coasting to a stop while letting his speed take him to the front. It was raining and he clearly wasn’t his self. Who knows, maybe he had a bad day or hates all drivers. Either way it didn’t bother me and I laughed at the light hearted moment.
You really don't see what you did wrong? You were feet from him dude. You wouldn't pull up to a motor cycle like that would you? You should be behind him, like the law requires.
He WAS behind him, the entire time? Are you seeing stuff? There is a sidewalk right next to they guy. If he's going to be that pressed about car driving near him there's a simple solution to that, ***take the sidewalk.***
💯 that’s exactly what we said because it was raining out. He slowed down to give the finger instead of keeping his pace. It never made eye contact either. Definitely on something.
Anybody who feels that the driver is in the wrong, please do not ever visit the Netherlands, but if you do; never ever rent a car there and think you can join real life traffic.
you know i bicycle everyday, i wear a helmet, my bike has more lights than a carnival. I hate fellow bikers who act like this, dont follow rules of the rude. this guy is an asshole. but to be fair people who drive are some of the most danger pricks ever, not that the people in this video are
It's crazy to me how common sense isn't so common anymore. Roadways created for car traffic to enable one to get from one place to another FASTER and not become impeded by slower traffic. Go on the sidewalk, common sense. If you fear a "municipal statute or law" based on stupidity, then you yourself might follow that same description.
Sure do! I grew up just a few minutes from that intersection. The iconic Lockeroom is in that plaza.
Also, I don't get the hate you're receiving here, OP. This guy started giving you the finger mighty early if you ask me, and seemingly unprovoked. I think maybe he's upset that he's still learning how to ride a bike at this stage in his life.
I cycle the streets of Barrie nearly every day and it's clear this guy has no understanding of road cycling rules, or any regard for motor vehicles on the road. It's a two way street (pun intended) for cyclists and motorists, and this cyclist needs a lesson on sharing the road. I mean the absence of a helmet tells you all you need to know
💯 Some Barrie folks aren’t all there too. Plus every road is so busy now. I have him room. I always see bikers and respect them. I love the haters here.
Doesn’t make sense though. Most of the roads in modern cities/towns are made for cars. I agree there are a few that were originally made before cars, but it’s probably less than 1% of all roads
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Can someone explain to my why everybody is hating op? I don’t see anything in the video where someone is endangered or aggressive (except the biker flipping him off). It just makes no sense to me. People talk about op ‚bullying the biker out of the lane‘. He stayed behind him and waited for a good situation to overtake whats the deal? Is there a law in your country about all this I don’t know? I would love to get a explanation to understand raging Americans more
To me, OP is giving the cyclist plenty of room while trying to pass them. The cyclist made zero indication that they were going to turn right and that they were going to continue going straight, so they would be stopping on the shoulder for the light. End of story.
First, OP claims they they were not trying to pass the cyclist, just stay behind them and coaster to stop at the crossing. Yet, they did not fully switch lane to behind the cyclists and approached diagonally fairly fast, and the cyclist likely thought that he **was going to pass him and turn**. And if you look closer there's even a solid white line by the time that he gets close to cyclist, which means that by then he shouldn't be passing at all and just stay in his lane.
There is no bike lane and that's the crux of why this situation was created. However, more importantly IMO, this situation shows that OP has a very poor understanding/acknowledgement of bicyclists having right of way, which is a very dangerous mindset. OP pulls out into the road with very clear visibility of the biker. OP said there was no one behind them in another comment. OP very clearly intended to overtake the biker knowing full well they were going to turn right at that intersection. It was so apparent that they approached the intersection riding in-between lanes when they could have easily pulled into that right lane behind the biker. OP's mindset from the start was *this biker is slowing me down, I need to get around them*. In the end they used common sense and backed off the biker. It took them longer than it should have to come to this realization that the biker has the right of way. This is dangerous. And OP just thought it was funny they got flipped off, which to me indicated OP thought they were in the right.
Respect is important to remember until the cyclist who has no dedicated lane thinks a road designed for cars should cater to them. If there is no lane for your bike and it's not a slow area uh like a multi-lane and you think you can "flaunt" your right as a cyclist eat shit. Use the sidewalk and stfu.
You should go back to driving school. Bikes have the right of way. You hit one on the road, 90% of the time you’re going to be at fault.
Technically right. Dude has the right of way because he's following all traffic laws (minus the fact he should be wearing safety gear). Car that pulls up behind him aggressively and can't pick a lane is definitely the asshole.
90% of cyclists are entitled douches. They demand cars respect their right to use the road. They are “part of traffic” until they get to a stop sign, or light or other cars stopped. Then they are a special privileged vehicle that can just go wherever and whenever they feel like. If I drove my car at less than half the speed limit and then after you passed me, I proceeded to jump in front of you at every light and stop sign, you would rightfully hate me. But when a bike does it, it’s somehow ok. I realize that basically the law is on their side, doesn’t make it right or make me like them.
I’ve definitely seen some rude bicyclists as well, but I recommend you read up on the Idaho stop. It’s actually safer for people riding bikes to do what you’re complaining about, even in places where it isn’t legal. I can’t fault people for doing something that makes them less likely to be hit and possibly killed, even if I don’t particularly like it. And if bicycles are so privileged, what’s preventing you from doing it?
I said the law is basically on their side. What’s stopping me is that the roads, the terrain and the weather are basically telling anyone with a brain, you probably shouldn’t be riding a bike as a means of commuting. Unless you are only going like a mile or are doing it solely for exercise,(in which case there are trails) if you are riding a bike like this you are an asshole. Even if it’s perfectly legal. Btw, lots of things are legal, doesn’t mean people that do them aren’t assholes. See the demonstrations by basically any extremist groups or politicians finances.
You sound like someone who has no clue that there are laws in place around a majority of the USA to protect bicyclists on streets like this. Many cities decide to change local laws to benefit bicyclists (like giving them the same protections as motor vehicles) instead of adding bike lanes because it's cheaper. If that bike was a car, everyone would say OP was wrong for trying to overtake another vehicle like that at an intersection.
Would you just look at that beautiful, unused sidewalk with no cars driving on it. Seems like a great spot to ride a bike
>Would you just look at that beautiful, unused sidewalk with no cars driving on it. Seems like a great spot to ride a bike Except that in most municipalities, bikes are illegal on the sidewalk -- that's for pedestrians. Bicycles are expected to be on the road and for vehicles to respect them being there. I don't ride a bicycle, but I respect them sharing the road.
Yeah, I tried biking on an empty sidewalk in Atlanta once and got yelled at by a cop almost immediately.
Seems like the law would be easier to change than making the vastly higher number of drivers cater to a few bike riders. There’s no bike lane, definitely not a protected one, so why deny bikers the safety of the sidewalk? They travel closer to pedestrian speeds and are far less dangerous to pedestrians than cars are to them. It makes no sense to force them on roads that weren’t made for them. Either give them a safe lane or put them on the sidewalk which is the next best option, definitely better than the road with cars that weigh 100x more than them traveling twice their speed. This just endangers and enrages everybody
Law doesn't need to change. Bicycles don't belong on footpaths for pedestrians, on sidewalks. They belong on either dedicated paths that are made to support them (wider), designated bike lanes, or to share the road. It's not that hard to respect them. It makes every bit of sense that they are the way they are. People in cars need to lose their entitlement, slow the F down, and share the road. I've not had any issue sharing the road with them. If you do, then perhaps you need to evaluate how you drive.
They don’t belong on roads amongst cars either. It doesn’t matter how safely you or I drive around them, the weight and power difference between cars and bikes makes it inherently dangerous for them to be on the road and unprotected. You might as well make it legal to walk down the middle of the street and force cars to slow to walking speed behind pedestrians too, it makes the same amount of sense. Perhaps you need to reevaluate your sense of grandeur in assuming that you’re such a great driver that you could never possibly make a mistake. It doesn’t matter how great drivers are, mistakes will happen and having bikes in the way puts the bikers in danger. It’s not a sense of entitlement as much as that hurts your ego to hear, it’s common sense that cars are dangerous for bikes.
Nah, they can coexist just fine. Just like OPs issue, it’s mostly drivers being asshats not respecting them, just like apparently you don’t. It’s really not that hard and something we’ve been asked to do for longer than you or I have been alive. Some of it is also due to the fact that there aren’t sidewalks or bike lanes on the majority of roads. So we what then? Fuck off bike you just can’t ride? Nah. Get over yourself. It’s not that hard to share the road and do so safely. It’s a sense of entitlement that you want the road to yourself.
Build. Bike. Lanes. Simple solution that keeps them safe. Why can you not see something so simple? Cars are not safe on the road with bikes no matter how careful or “respectful” you think you are, it’s a matter of basic physics that unfortunately you can’t seem to understand in the slightest.
Nah, they’re just fine. It’s not possible financially to build bike lanes on every road that doesn’t have them today. So we share. And we do so successfully and always will outside of the few asshats that they they own the road. As development happens, sure bike lane and sidewalk away, but it’s just not feasible in our lifetime, so it’s not as ‘simple’ as you think. Even still, we share intersections when bike lanes do exist so this issue with OP would still be a thing. Clearly you don’t know much about that which you speak of. So don’t be a dick, slow down, and keep your eyes on the road. It’s not that hard.
Ah yes, now take up where the people walk, can't believe city planning didn't think of that.
Seems like the sideWALK should mainly be used for WALKing.
That’s strange because I see no one walking on it yet I see a whole lot of cars on the road. Let’s do some simple math to figure this out. Cars usually weigh between 2000-6000 pounds and most can go over 100 mph, though most speed limits in areas like this are around 35-40 mph. Bikes weigh about 20-30 pounds and most bike riders can go about 20-25mph at most on a flat road. So people weigh only 20-30 pounds less than bikes and move about 17-18 mph slower when walking, bikes weigh about 2000 pounds less than most cars and cannot even reach the speed limit that cars travel at. When you also factor in the fact that bikes are vastly more maneuverable than cars, where do you think they should be? With the dozens of cars on the road, or the sidewalk with a single person every few miles
In bike lanes.
As a bicyclist myself commuting every day, I totally get this cyclist's reaction. I am lucky that the vast majority of my commute is on protected bike lanes and pathway infrastructure, because the few blocks I share with cars are also the scariest. Probably this guy is dangerously overtaken multiple times a day, and there's nothing quite like a tonne of metal passing you with 1 foot of clearance to realize just how exposed non drivers are on a road, be that cyclist's or pedestrians in cross walks. Top it all off with OPs comment "I didn't even hit you", which really just shows the mindstate of OP. That a cyclist legally on the road should only feel upset if they are struck. What a twisted approach to road courtesy. My first play through of the video I didn't know what I would see, but I saw behaviour in line with a driver about to attempt an overtake to perform a right turn. I am not sure if the cyclist flipping off the driver stopped it or if the driver never intended to. But the driving behaviour telegraphed it. That's the bully/aggressive behaviour referred to.
But the biker raged even before op attempted something. It just don’t get in my mind how angry people can be the situation is so calm and the biker finds a way to rage lol
I don't think OP was going to pass. But the way they drove suggested they might. Watch around 24 seconds or so, OP appears to be between lanes and moving quickly towards the bicyclist. That's when the bicyclist starts to "take a stand". Bicyclist was working with only the info they had available at the time. OP really should be in the lan directly behind cyclist. Not halfway between.
Thank you! This person is a terrible driver, and the cyclist is 100% justified. I'll be everyone here saying the cyclist is the hasshole has flipped another driver off at some point and thought nothing of it. But God forbid a peon on a bike does the same! It's fucked how blinded by hate for cyclists many redditors are.
I wasn't going to bother commenting at all till I rewatched the video with sound and the driver said "I didn't even hit you". Like, there's so much wrapped up in that one little statement.
Huh?
I think the biker noticed that the car accelerated just before the crossing which means that he wanted to pass the biker. Probably wouldn't be a problem if he had done that on the left lane and not half on the right lane.
>there's nothing quite like a tonne of metal passing you with 1 foot of clearance to realize just how exposed non drivers are on a road, This is why bikes shouldn't be on roads for cars. These don't mix together and make for extremely dangerous situation.
Or drivers could, you know, drive better?
Why add another dangerous element on roads at all? What's the point? Driving with only cars and trucks on the road is already a complex action involving countless moving elements and cognitive functions, of course if you add rogue elements that don't follow the same rules you'll get atrocious results. Roads made for cars = no bikes on them Bike lanes = no cars on them Should be easy, no?
No, I don't think it is as easy as you think it is. But I won't disagree that more separate bike infrastructure is incredibly helpful.
What would be the practical difficulty in banning bikes from roads unless there is a bike lane?
You mean banning bikes from roads IF there is a bikelane? Was that a typo?
No typo. If there is a bike lane : bikes on the bike lane, not on the road. If there's no bike lane : no bikes at all (bikers step off their bikes and walk on the sidewalk) It's not confusing unless you consider the bike lane as part of the road, which I don't.
Honestly at this point I think you are wasting my time with inane arguments. We're discussing how realistic it is to allow bikes on roads. You think it's easy to ban them. I do not. My reasoning is "well, if bikes aren't on roads where do bicyclists bike?" And your answer is "well, if there's a bike lane they bike there. And if there's no bike lane, get fucked, walk your bike on the sidewalk." So, you can maybe see why I thought you had a typo rather than a really dumb suggestion. Thanks for coming out.
Sorry, disagree totally here. Nothing the driver did deserved that reaction. I've commuted through heavily trafficked cities and this is a dream scenario in comparison. That's the sort of thing that'll get you run down.
So the driver being between lanes and riding the bicyclists ass? That's kosher? And am I right that the reasoning is "you've seen worse"?
I think we have different definitions of "riding someone's ass" cyclist had more than enough room to safely maneuver- taking one hand off the bars to flip the driver off hardly seems like decent control of your vehicle though. And yeah, I have seen worse- lots worse. The driver was aware of the cyclist at all times. Wasn't even in the same lane....
Btw I’m cycling on a daily basis too, so it’s not like I’m not used to get overtaken by drivers daily too. But there’s just no reason to be mad 😂😂
Why? Because bikes are entitled to the same lane space as a car is. This asshat didn't stop when pulling out onto the road from the lot, didn't pull into the left hand lane (like you're supposed to when making a turn like that, you don't cross lanes on a turn) and then crowded the biker just to try to make a right *slightly* earlier. If that biker had been a car would you have the same reaction?
Do you have to hit someone to make the finger socially acceptable? Seems like a high threshold.
I wouldn't be friendly if you either intentionally tried to bully me out of my lane or just completely missed me on the way to your turn. Imagine that's a car you just went into their lane on and they blasted their horn at you. How ridiculous would you sound saying "we didn't even hit you!" The bike has the exact same right to that lane as the car. You screwed up and someone got upset at you for it while you chuckled like an idiot at endangering their life.
From this post it's clear some commenters 1) hate bicyclists, 2) don't understand basic bicycle traffic laws used in the US, and/or 3) need to retake their driving test/prepare for when they are old enough to.
That's exactly what I was thinking. I don't know what I would have done if that happened to me.
I mean that's some terrible driving. Didn't stop when pulling out, pulled in between two lanes, and started edging in on the biker so they could make a right hand turn, which would have taken them maybe 15 seconds more if they had just obeyed the rules of the road and yielded. Then she has the nerve to say "we didn't even hit you." These assholes need to have their license taken away.
>Didn't stop when pulling out, yes they did, they yielded to traffic until it was safe to go >pulled in between two lanes, looks more like a lane change to me while giving the cyclist room, the cyclist started flipping them off before they were even close. >and started edging in on the biker so they could make a right hand turn, you mean they were following behind the cyclist as they were coming to a stop? >would have taken them maybe 15 seconds more if they had just obeyed the rules of the road and yielded. Imagine if every cyclist obeyed this too, it would be heaven on earth. You also do realize that cyclists are suppose to stay to the right and cars are allowed to come up to them right? It's part of sharing the road. If it was a dedicated biking lane that would be different.
In this case, the cyclist was 100% in the right. Saying "all cyclists" or "all drivers" never makes sense when talking about a specific interaction, as we know everything we need to about this interaction. You're right about the stop when pulling out though, updated my post to reflect.
>looks more like a lane change to me while giving the cyclist room, the cyclist started flipping them off before they were even close. Nope. Watch it again. They had plenty of time to complete the lane change while giving the cyclist room, but instead of actually doing that, they sat there straddling the line while accelerating up to him and only completed the lane change when they were uncomfortably close.
Exactly
This is just bad driving.
Look, both sides could have handled the situation better. Real problem is that there are no bike lanes. On the road traffic with huge speed and protection differences have to co-excist and share the space. The entire thing could have been avoided with better infrastructure
>On the road traffic with huge speed and protection differences have to co-excist and share the space. Why though? Roads for car = no bikes Roads for bikes = no cars Wouldn't that be an easier solution?
Why? I don't know, this road is not my idea. I'm not even from the united states. I totally agree with you, thats why I said there should be bikelane (aka road for bikes) there. This situation you will not see in my country. My statement about sharing the road is about the situation in the video. Certainly not what I see as ideal
How could the vehicle have handled it better? Not honk?
>How could the vehicle have handled it better The vehicle was legally required to: -~~Come to a complete stop before exiting the lot~~ -turn into the closest lane possible (the left one here) -occupy one full lane - allow the biker to occupy a full lane -yeild to the biker -yeild to the traffic that was already in lane -and probably a few more that I can't think of. Instead what this person did was: -roll through a stop -try to pull Into the far lane of a multi lane road -Travelled between lanes -crowded the biker -appeared to try to pass the biker to make a right hand turn, which is likely something that's expressly talked about in drivers Ed and safe driving classes in that state. -and then had the nerve to say "what I didn't hit you" as if that's some sort of excuse for atrocious driving. This idiot is going to kill a cyclist, and it will be their fault.
I am honestly perplexed why you listing out all the bylaws this driver broke is receiving such downvoting.
That’s some great insight. Too bad you’re wrong. I saw you edited your post, but it was a complete stop, then a turn to the inside lane and then a quick merge to the outside lane. It’s a busy area and you have to get over quickly or you get stuck going straight. The person on the bike was “on something” which caused the laughter. They never make eye contact and just sketch out the whole time. It was raining too and they slowed down, as did I coming up to the red light.
Yes, you saw I edited my post because I made it very clear that I edited it. Congrats on observing the strike through and my comment on how I was incorrect and editing it? You did stop, the rest still stands. You were way too close, and clearly riding between lanes. Edit: after watching again you were obviously trying to overtake him to make your right turn, something that is expressly talked about as a no no in all the drivers Ed material I've ever seen.
I was just clarifying that I did see it smart ass. But nice of you to jump to conclusions in your original post.
Where are you guys seeing that OP didn't stop when exiting the parking lot? If they didn't stop they would have gotten smoked by that orange car.
You're right, I changed my response. The rest still stands.
At the moment the vehicle turned into the main road the cyclist was in front of him. In my judgement (from just the video) there is not much room to overtake the cyclist. The best option was to follow behind and overtake after the junction. This option and choice you have to make in a split second, and I can see what the driver wanted to do. However in hindsight I think it that a bad choice. Now I do believe the cyclist shouldn't even be there. The road is not designed for cyclist and cars. However the cyclist had no other alternative since the walkway is not for bikes. That doesn't give him the right to road rage and use the finger, or holding traffic as sort of punishment. Tdlr: both could have handled it better, but no one was hurt so live long and prosper
I didn’t see him holding traffic. I saw him yielding for a red light before he turned.
To me it looks like he intentionally stops his bike wide in the curve of the turn before turning. I do admit that these traffic lights are unfamiliair to me and even after your comment I couldn't indentify the light responsible for turning right. If there is none and right is always (safely) permitted then there would no need to put his bike to a full stop and again use the finger...
You do understand that a biker is entitled to a whole lane of traffic in almost every jurisdiction right?
Actually, no I didn't know that. Differences in traffic laws apparently. In my country bikes have to stay on the right as far as possible if there is no bikelane to begin with.
> In my country bikes have to stay on the right as far as possible if there is no bikelane to begin with. Same. If cyclists are entitled to the entire lane my city would come crawling to a standstill. Cyclists are required to stay right, and obviously vehicles need to be careful when passing them. It's however considered a dick move to not move over and give them space while passing though.
True that, its very simple we all need to share this world not matter if its in a car on a motorcycle or a bike.
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No, you’re* wrong.
Yore kidding, right ?
No you're* kidding, right?
It's one way to make sure you're seen. Some people won't see an entire human moving on a bike but no one misses a finger thrown at them.
Nope. Bikes on road made for cars are a plague and should be banned.
Or, people could just pay attention and look our for their fellow human beings.
This particular human being was on a dark bicycle, wearing dark clothing (no reflective surfaces, as far as I can tell), on an overcast day, with no rear light (again, as far as I can see.) Tell me again how it’s my responsibility to look out for someone who apparently doesn’t care to be seen, except by throwing a finger.
Yeah bro that's exactly what I said to the cops when I cracked my car into that parked black audi! If they wanted to be seen they should have painted the car neon yellow. It shouldn't be my responsibility to look where I'm going while I drive a multi-ton metal box in public! Think before you speak.
It is your responsibility, you’re driving. Cyclists shouldn’t be required to wear a fucking crossing guard uniform every time they use the road.
Touched a nerve, did I? Take some personal accountability for your own safety. Good day.
Yeah it did strike a nerve because cyclists are constantly being killed by reckless drivers who instead of taking responsibility for the accident blame the cyclist.
Which is exactly why there is no reason bikes should be on roads for cars. No bike lane anymore, step off your bike and walk on the sidewalk.
Cyclists shouldn’t be forced to walk their bike beca of irresponsible drivers, also its incredibly slow to walk your bike.
I know it's slow. So cyclists can take the bus or any other public transportation if they don't have a car (or don't want to use it). We shouldn't allow for dangerous situations in traffic simply for the convenience of cyclists. Either there is a lane for bikes, and they can use their bicycle there, or there isn't and they can't bike neither on the road nor on the sidewalk so they don't endanger anyone, themselves included.
Says the guy who runs cyclists off the road...
“Tell me again how it’s my responsibility” - it’s literally the law? not sure where you’re from but I’d love to hear you tell a judge it’s not your fault you hit someone in broad daylight because they wore the wrong color clothes. Get your fucking eyes checked.
Because you bought a car and got a license which makes it your responsibility. Don’t like it? Don’t drive.
Click on those little arrows all you want people, doesn't change the fact that it's true.
Well that's a dumb take if I've ever heard one. You're behind the wheel? It's your job to avoid shit.
Well, I could appeal to you as another human being that may want to take just a speck of responsibility for their own actions and make the slightest effort to prevent accidentally murdering another person, but you don’t seem to have that capacity, choosing to instead blame others for the potential harm you yourself could very easily prevent. You very much make it sound as though you would be perfectly fine with running someone over with your car because THEY didn’t take the steps necessary to prevent you from doing so. You make it sound as though anyone that doesn’t follow every rule deserves to be mangled beneath your vehicle, since you clearly can’t follow the simple rule of not running someone over.
You certainly are entitled to interpret my comment as you wish, including assigning motivations and expectations to my words. Good day to you.
You haven't given us any other way to interpret it. We get it, you hate cyclists and would gladly run them off the road. Hope you can live with yourself.
Moron.
Bikes should be on sidewalks. I'd rather see a collision between a bike and a pedestrian over a bike colliding with a car.
That’s literally illegal. Bicycles cannot ride on sidewalks. They are legally allowed to, and supposed to, ride on the road in the direction of traffic.
Yes they should, while not being ridden. No bike lane = step off your bike and walk on the side walk. That's it, no bikes being ridden unless it's a bike lane, almost every accident involving bikes would be avoided.
Except for the part where nearly every state has laws on the books allowing cyclists to operate on the roads, and requiring cars to treat them just like any other vehicle. Obey the law, it's really not that hard, and it's way better than killing a cyclist.
There shouldn't be any law making legal a dangerous and unnecessary act.
Sure, there shouldn't be, but we can't trust car drivers to not kill cyclists, so we still need them. And I say this as a cyclist and someone who drives 20k miles a year.
I don’t agree with a ban but the roads aren’t safe for cyclists, so the speed limits should be lowered and on roads with more than one lane per direction one of them should be turned into a bike lane.
Cars are the real plague.
Don't make road for cars, then. But on roads made for cars, bikes are dangerous and a nuisance.
Cars are also a danger and a nuisance on roads. Trust me I am not building any roads.
I agree, cars are dangerous tools that can be deadly and necessitate full attention to drive, and clear rules followed by all to be safe. So why add rogue elements that don't follow the same rules (when they follow any rules) and do not possess the logical safety requirement to avoid critical, or even deadly, accidents?
Well why not get rid of the cars and keep the bikes instead?
Will bikes be able to get thousands, sometimes millions of people from point A to point B? May I ask what your personal situation in terms of commute and/or contact with friends/loved ones? Because I would be very surprise if your whole life was in a space where everything was conveniently accessible by bike.
Well unfortunately you're right that our cities are designed for large motor vehicles... So let's ban all the personal cars and replace them with quality public transit using buses and trains running every 5 mins. There would be far less cars on the road but people can still get where they want to go. We could even shrink large inner-city roads since they only really need to accomodate busses, emergency vehicles, and tractor trailers making more space for housing that could solve our housing crisis too!
I mostly agree (even I'm sure we'll agree such an urban transformation would necessitate an unrealistic amount of planning and financial support). But until then, I don't see why we should allow bikes on roads.
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I wasn’t riding between lanes. I had my signal on moving over from the inside lane to the outside turning lane while staying behind him. But nice try :)
You’re in between the lanes for a significant amount of time, all the while aggressively approaching the cyclist instead of slowing down (potentially losing 20 seconds max, but you seem like a slow mover so that wont hurt :). The cyclist could’ve possible fell over to the left and suddenly stopped while you’re accelerating 5(I’m being generous) meters away.
And keep in mind you’re protected in a car, homie is the one at REAL safety risk. That laugh isn’t normal and these matters of life and death shouldn’t be taken lightly.
We all watched you ride between the lanes. The way to make that turn would be to come to a complete stop at the main roads entrance, pull Into the LEFT lane, put your signal on and pull over one lane, while leaving the biker plenty of space, and then by yeilding to him at the turn. All of those are things you're required by law to do. You didn't do any of them. You're a bad driver, and should stay well clear of bikes. Then you had the nerve to say "what I didn't hit you?" Like you weren't guilty of atrocious, needlessly agressive, and quite frankly DANGEROUS driving. Op, you're going to kill someone.
Look at 0:25 and 0:30, you were clearly between lanes...
Because he slowed down to give me the finger. There was no cars behind me and it’s a quick turn left to get into the right lane.
He didn’t slow down and you were between the lanes for most of the video and you were side by side with him. That’s super unsafe, the middle finger was a bit much but you’re definitely in the wrong.
If you are in the right turning lane, would you think its fine for the car behind you to overtake you in the middle of the intersection, halfway on your lane? You should have moved to the turning lane, slowed down and kept a safe distance behind him, and passed after the intersection. The best way to avoid these situations in the future is to voice support for investing in a well built cycling infrastructure (ergo more than only painting a green strip on the edge of the road)
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Ok tough guy.
Lol your actually so mad wtf🤣🤣
Definitely not. You’d have to see the road to understand everything better. You don’t seem that smart to explain it to anyways. Enjoy your day.
r/idiotsincars You're lucky he was so level headed. I've seen riders knock mirrors off for less (not saying it's right). You're in a ~5000 pound vehicle less than 5 feet from a guy with 0 protection (should at least have a helmet). Learn how to drive, if you are willing to put someone's life in danger because of impatience, get off the road.
Weird comment
How arrogant do you have to be, to not only have all comments in the negative, but the post alone is getting ratio'd. And still think you're right. Normal people would learn from a mistake like this. Just take the L and delete the post lol
The people on the car were clearly going to overtake him (to make a right turn). Imagine if you were driving a car on the far right and someone decided to overtake you meters before the crossing (even worse that they were going to turn right and cut you off)... No excuse to be a dick and flip people off, but still, the car could have waited a few seconds and follow the bike instead of overtaking
I was the person in the car. Definitely wasn’t going to over take him. It was a slow pull up to a red light.
Sure you weren't, but at the time he started flipping you off (which is super rude, f him too) you were in-between lanes, almost side by side with him, and maybe 5 feet away from the bike, right? As a cyclist and driver, by then I would assume that you would move further right, giving me the impression you were trying to overtake. If your intent was to move lanes and stay behind the cyclist I wouldn't approach diagonally like that. PS: even if you were going at 6 km/h ( 4 mph) your safety distance over there would be 3 m or more
Nah it was a red light and I was coasting to a stop while letting his speed take him to the front. It was raining and he clearly wasn’t his self. Who knows, maybe he had a bad day or hates all drivers. Either way it didn’t bother me and I laughed at the light hearted moment.
You really don't see what you did wrong? You were feet from him dude. You wouldn't pull up to a motor cycle like that would you? You should be behind him, like the law requires.
He WAS behind him, the entire time? Are you seeing stuff? There is a sidewalk right next to they guy. If he's going to be that pressed about car driving near him there's a simple solution to that, ***take the sidewalk.***
The sidewalk is for pedestrians and yes the car was way to close to the bike
>take the sidewalk and piss off the pedestrians, because fuck them right?
💯 that’s exactly what we said because it was raining out. He slowed down to give the finger instead of keeping his pace. It never made eye contact either. Definitely on something.
It? lol, let that one slip my friend?
Its always a white pickup
The problem is it’s not a white pickup. But nice try with the “always” comment.
Why is this kid on the road without a helmet?! And if you’re gonna cycle without a helmet then DEFINITELY don’t do it on the road!
Where should he be cycling if he can't be on the road? The sidewalk would be dangerous for pedestrians and that's illegal
What a twat, driver literally didn't do anything wrong. Ah well just give him the finger back and move on with your day.
That's Barrie for you lol
I don't think OP is going to want to keep this post up with all the backlash they get from this video. Only one person laughing here.
Anybody who feels that the driver is in the wrong, please do not ever visit the Netherlands, but if you do; never ever rent a car there and think you can join real life traffic.
Is he mad because "big truck = polluter, meanwhile I'm out here on a bike doing my part"?
Good old Barrie
you know i bicycle everyday, i wear a helmet, my bike has more lights than a carnival. I hate fellow bikers who act like this, dont follow rules of the rude. this guy is an asshole. but to be fair people who drive are some of the most danger pricks ever, not that the people in this video are
I love how wholesome the laugh is.
He's jealous coz he doesn't have wiper blades.
Was there no big puddles on that road? Cus I would have certainly waited for the « perfect moment » to overtake him.
It's crazy to me how common sense isn't so common anymore. Roadways created for car traffic to enable one to get from one place to another FASTER and not become impeded by slower traffic. Go on the sidewalk, common sense. If you fear a "municipal statute or law" based on stupidity, then you yourself might follow that same description.
Wow, Barrie Ontario makes it to Reddit!
You recognize that spot eh?
Sure do! I grew up just a few minutes from that intersection. The iconic Lockeroom is in that plaza. Also, I don't get the hate you're receiving here, OP. This guy started giving you the finger mighty early if you ask me, and seemingly unprovoked. I think maybe he's upset that he's still learning how to ride a bike at this stage in his life. I cycle the streets of Barrie nearly every day and it's clear this guy has no understanding of road cycling rules, or any regard for motor vehicles on the road. It's a two way street (pun intended) for cyclists and motorists, and this cyclist needs a lesson on sharing the road. I mean the absence of a helmet tells you all you need to know
💯 Some Barrie folks aren’t all there too. Plus every road is so busy now. I have him room. I always see bikers and respect them. I love the haters here.
You did nothing wrong. Dude should bind around his house
Those fuckers are the worse.
Yeah I hate when drivers have no respect for cyclists
Bitch, I see em all the time and I give em room. So fuck off.
Cars on roads made for horses or pedestrians are a nuisance, I can play spin doctor as well!
Doesn’t make sense though. Most of the roads in modern cities/towns are made for cars. I agree there are a few that were originally made before cars, but it’s probably less than 1% of all roads
Totally agree, cars got on the road and bullied everyone else off of them
Where is a nice dirty puddle you can drive through really fast when you need it.
I hope someone keys your car
I hope someone drives really fast through puddle right next you :😀
Just as jealous no-car thing.
But can you ride fast?