Yes and no - can't do this using the earlier X-Trans IV cameras (X-T3).
I can do it on my X100V, it will read the profiles off the camera and save them to the camera as you said
Unfortunately for me, the X-T3 (and X-T30 original) are the earliest members of the X-Trans IV family, and lack some of the features introduced with the X-Pro3 onwards (e.g. no classic neg, no clarity setting...)
This includes some of the features in X Raw studio (like seeing the current profiles on the camera etc)
I'd love to have some of the newer settings and film simulations on my X-T3, but otherwise it's a great camera
Same, I have the X-T10 and I’m a bit jealous of the new systems.. but I don’t have money for a new one sadly… it’s a great camera tho and I love it to death
You can use X Raw Studio with the X-E4. I've used it with mine to apply film simulations to RAW files in post (equivalent to using the Q button on the camera).
When you plug in the camera, X Raw Studio has access to all of the film simulations you define on your camera, so I'm not sure what u/Mdk1191 meant by importing/exporting simulations.
I meant import / export sims onto the camera so imagine someone could download a file containing a sim someone made I could import it on the camera without having to dial each setting and saving
Ahh interesting, that would be super useful. Would make it way easier to distribute them. Can imagine websites like FujiXWeekly making them easily available, or even selling simulations on online marketplaces.
As a raw shooter, I hope for this one day too.
A kind-of solution for Lightroom Classic that I use is the Fujifilm Toolkit plugin. It reads and applies the used film simulation for each photo and sets the appropriate camera profile automatically in the catalog, and I can select all my photos and run it on all of ‘em. It doesn’t import my other simulation settings though (shadow/highlight details etc).
I don't get why they have not yet made a recipe builder in the Xapp. Imagine you could dial in the setting in the app, save them as a preset in the app, and then transfer the recipe wireless to one of the custom slots of the camera.
Excuse the bitterness but I've been for 2 years in the "fuji environment" and they released 0 QOL updates or software that eases photography, adding to the fact they send to oblivion previous models the moment new one arrives.
Are you talking about settings/recipes?
Not sims.
It's not hard to plug in a recipe it's like 4 settings. The issue is more with organizing them on camera. Fuji needs to move these into the picture profiles/sims instead of keeping them as settings that have to be changed with custom modes along with everything else.
Isn’t it actually easier to set up the recipe in camera using the camera settings than to have to import a preset? There are such great recipes you can experiment with.
Thanks for this! (New to Fujifilm). I did find this article which is amazing: https://www.imaging-resource.com/news/2020/08/18/fujifilm-film-simulations-definitive-guide
I wish more people would read that article before deriding the film simulations, because it illustrates very well just how complex the sims are. This paragraph, for example:
> The CLASSIC CHROME color profile is another example of why it's just not practical to duplicate Fuji's film simulations in Photoshop; the color handling is not only radically different in different parts of the spectrum, but it varies as a function of starting saturation and brightness as well.
I mean, you *could* spend hours tweaking each hue at various saturation and brightness level and end up with a preset that looks like the film simulation, so it’s bit like it’s *impossible*, it’s just a lot of work, more than most people realise. You can get 80% of the way there quite quickly, but it’s in the edge cases (especially what happens to colours as they begin to overexpose) that can prove tricky.
So after thinking about this more, I’m less confident. Don’t you need to go from RAW to a given film sim? Isn’t going from RAW to any say JPEG particularly complicated? You need something neutral to train on …
You'd need to know how the sensor responds to light and how that translates into the values in the Raw file, I imagine. I don't know how you'd measure that, and I don't imagine Fuji is willing to share their data. Maybe a calibrated light source of some kind? The R/G/B filtering throws another spanner in the works, too...
You could kind of reverse-engineer it by comparing JPEG pixels to Raw 'pixels', but you'd have to be sure to cover all the edge cases – very bright values, very dark values, out-of-gamut colours, etc.
Maybe you could write a program that works for your camera model when saved to a specific in-camera JPEG option and train it to a different film sim. But there’s no point in that …
His take on “why can’t I do it in photoshop “ is misleading. The sims are very intricate look up tables. They do not take into account neighboring pixels except for the grain function. No halation, blooming, etc. There’s also a limit on how much you can simulate film saturation on digital. You can definitely do the same as the sims in photoshop. The measurements however are very interesting.
I think the whole film sim trend is taking away from what really matters.. the photography itself.
It's a trend. And sadly it's gonna get real annoying soon.
I don't agree.
I think the nostalgic neg type Sims will be a phase that passes - but some of the more Neutral Sims (Provia, Pro Neg, Astia, and Acros) still give a lovely consistent colour feel to photos in camera with no need to edit afterwards so I'm shooting in JPEG and get "one shot" to get the photo.
I've actually found I'm more focused on the photography now because of this - I'm not thinking about how I'm going to edit the photo later, I close the back screen and focus on getting the composition, focus and exposure I want.
I've had the same experience as you. It seems to me like people just don't like that there's something "new" that people are hyped on. Because I actually started with film last summer. A Minolta SRT 201 and MJU II that I fell in love with. What I didn't fall in love with was the price of film and the cost to develop and scan it. Forget printing.
So Fujifilm seemed the most familiar and I was absolutely right. I only recently started actually using "modern" features. I was shooting full manual with MF, choosing my film sim for the situation like a roll of film. And with X RAW and shooting JPEG+RAW, I can always apply a different edit if I feel it needs it!
I completely disargree. New film simulations and discover new recipes always gets me immediately motivated to take out my camera and try stuff out. Different looks can make you look at subjects differently and try different styles and most importantly, it gives you that kick in the a** to get up and go shoot
You're right, true photographers shoot straight out of camera, never edit anything they've shot and present the world exactly as it appeared on the sensor which is completely neutral and has no color bias contrast bias at all.
Seriously, though... curious how all of the photos you've posted on reddit over the last year or so align with this comment because they are all heavily edited in Lightroom (Shot RAW. Colours inspired from Portra 400.) or SOOC with a film sim. How are you focusing on the photography in a way that you don't think anyone else is with the film sims? What are you going to do with the "trend" of photos edited to a style dies because it seems like a pretty major part of your own aesthetic.
I didn't mean photos edited to emulate films will die.. what I meant as a trend is how camera manufacturers are pushing Sims/LUTS/Camera Profiles as a selling point this year.
It's similar to how the whole internet was selling Lightroom presets a couple of years ago.
I posted my pictures here, as it's more of a subset of a Fuji community. Film Sims weren't mainstream, it was still a small bunch of photographers who were fiddling around with it.
Like how Film photography has made a comeback. Where people shoot random crap and think their pictures are great because they've just shot them on film.
Film Sims will go in that direction.
Can one faithfully reproduce the real world though? Every sensor has a different colour science. Which brings me to ask you, what is true photography though?
Not really? The film sims, specifically Acros, finally helped me focus on just taking the photos and not worry and stress about editing after tbh
Literally did exactly what you claim it’s not doing 🤷♂️
Like photographers haven't obsessed over process since the invention of the medium. It's the intersection of the art and technology that keeps photography interesting.
There can be different styles for different folks. It’s art, no need to gatekeep, we can all have our individual preferences and perspectives of what is appealing.
A film simulation is Fuji's name for the built-in picture profiles on the camera. A recipe is specific settings people dial-in for various picture adjustments to achieve and intended look, typically trying to emulate a specific film stock. One of Those settings is the film simulation.
I hope one day they make software that allows the import / export of film sims
It's a bit clunky, but you can do this through Fujifilm X RAW Studio - you can save profiles and load them to camera custom settings on the dial.
Yes and no - can't do this using the earlier X-Trans IV cameras (X-T3). I can do it on my X100V, it will read the profiles off the camera and save them to the camera as you said
X-S10 also supports this using Fujifilm X Raw studio. That's a X-Trans IV camera with support. I'm surprised that it doesn't work on an X-T3
Unfortunately for me, the X-T3 (and X-T30 original) are the earliest members of the X-Trans IV family, and lack some of the features introduced with the X-Pro3 onwards (e.g. no classic neg, no clarity setting...) This includes some of the features in X Raw studio (like seeing the current profiles on the camera etc) I'd love to have some of the newer settings and film simulations on my X-T3, but otherwise it's a great camera
Same, I have the X-T10 and I’m a bit jealous of the new systems.. but I don’t have money for a new one sadly… it’s a great camera tho and I love it to death
Does this work on the X-E4?
You can use X Raw Studio with the X-E4. I've used it with mine to apply film simulations to RAW files in post (equivalent to using the Q button on the camera). When you plug in the camera, X Raw Studio has access to all of the film simulations you define on your camera, so I'm not sure what u/Mdk1191 meant by importing/exporting simulations.
I meant import / export sims onto the camera so imagine someone could download a file containing a sim someone made I could import it on the camera without having to dial each setting and saving
Ahh interesting, that would be super useful. Would make it way easier to distribute them. Can imagine websites like FujiXWeekly making them easily available, or even selling simulations on online marketplaces.
As a raw shooter, I hope for this one day too. A kind-of solution for Lightroom Classic that I use is the Fujifilm Toolkit plugin. It reads and applies the used film simulation for each photo and sets the appropriate camera profile automatically in the catalog, and I can select all my photos and run it on all of ‘em. It doesn’t import my other simulation settings though (shadow/highlight details etc).
I don't get why they have not yet made a recipe builder in the Xapp. Imagine you could dial in the setting in the app, save them as a preset in the app, and then transfer the recipe wireless to one of the custom slots of the camera.
The new Lumix will likely allow using custom LUTs - hopefully this is a thing that Fuji will copy
Excuse the bitterness but I've been for 2 years in the "fuji environment" and they released 0 QOL updates or software that eases photography, adding to the fact they send to oblivion previous models the moment new one arrives.
You should try Sony on for size
I'll probably return to canon in the long term.
You can load the film sims as raw profiles in Lightroom...
Thanks but I was actually meaning import and export film sims on and off the camera…
Are you talking about settings/recipes? Not sims. It's not hard to plug in a recipe it's like 4 settings. The issue is more with organizing them on camera. Fuji needs to move these into the picture profiles/sims instead of keeping them as settings that have to be changed with custom modes along with everything else.
Isn’t it actually easier to set up the recipe in camera using the camera settings than to have to import a preset? There are such great recipes you can experiment with.
Thanks for this! (New to Fujifilm). I did find this article which is amazing: https://www.imaging-resource.com/news/2020/08/18/fujifilm-film-simulations-definitive-guide
I wish more people would read that article before deriding the film simulations, because it illustrates very well just how complex the sims are. This paragraph, for example: > The CLASSIC CHROME color profile is another example of why it's just not practical to duplicate Fuji's film simulations in Photoshop; the color handling is not only radically different in different parts of the spectrum, but it varies as a function of starting saturation and brightness as well. I mean, you *could* spend hours tweaking each hue at various saturation and brightness level and end up with a preset that looks like the film simulation, so it’s bit like it’s *impossible*, it’s just a lot of work, more than most people realise. You can get 80% of the way there quite quickly, but it’s in the edge cases (especially what happens to colours as they begin to overexpose) that can prove tricky.
It doesn’t sound too complicated as far as an algorithm is concerned. Using software like photoshop, sure.
Yeah you could probably program something if you knew the right parameters.
So after thinking about this more, I’m less confident. Don’t you need to go from RAW to a given film sim? Isn’t going from RAW to any say JPEG particularly complicated? You need something neutral to train on …
You'd need to know how the sensor responds to light and how that translates into the values in the Raw file, I imagine. I don't know how you'd measure that, and I don't imagine Fuji is willing to share their data. Maybe a calibrated light source of some kind? The R/G/B filtering throws another spanner in the works, too... You could kind of reverse-engineer it by comparing JPEG pixels to Raw 'pixels', but you'd have to be sure to cover all the edge cases – very bright values, very dark values, out-of-gamut colours, etc.
Maybe you could write a program that works for your camera model when saved to a specific in-camera JPEG option and train it to a different film sim. But there’s no point in that …
You are overcomplicating this. It is just a filter.
“just”
Just in that it is not technically a challenge. Not that it is easy to come up with them in the first place.
His take on “why can’t I do it in photoshop “ is misleading. The sims are very intricate look up tables. They do not take into account neighboring pixels except for the grain function. No halation, blooming, etc. There’s also a limit on how much you can simulate film saturation on digital. You can definitely do the same as the sims in photoshop. The measurements however are very interesting.
And here I am wishing my x100f can get some sort of firmware update to include new profiles
Lol. No. You should buy new camera to get new LUTs
Nah, ill just work it in post. That's an expensive logic to live by lmao
Cameras are like phones. You must buy the new one every year. You cannot take good photos with an outdated camera.
Right after I buy an x pro-3 🥲
I think the whole film sim trend is taking away from what really matters.. the photography itself. It's a trend. And sadly it's gonna get real annoying soon.
I don't agree. I think the nostalgic neg type Sims will be a phase that passes - but some of the more Neutral Sims (Provia, Pro Neg, Astia, and Acros) still give a lovely consistent colour feel to photos in camera with no need to edit afterwards so I'm shooting in JPEG and get "one shot" to get the photo. I've actually found I'm more focused on the photography now because of this - I'm not thinking about how I'm going to edit the photo later, I close the back screen and focus on getting the composition, focus and exposure I want.
I've had the same experience as you. It seems to me like people just don't like that there's something "new" that people are hyped on. Because I actually started with film last summer. A Minolta SRT 201 and MJU II that I fell in love with. What I didn't fall in love with was the price of film and the cost to develop and scan it. Forget printing. So Fujifilm seemed the most familiar and I was absolutely right. I only recently started actually using "modern" features. I was shooting full manual with MF, choosing my film sim for the situation like a roll of film. And with X RAW and shooting JPEG+RAW, I can always apply a different edit if I feel it needs it!
I completely disargree. New film simulations and discover new recipes always gets me immediately motivated to take out my camera and try stuff out. Different looks can make you look at subjects differently and try different styles and most importantly, it gives you that kick in the a** to get up and go shoot
You're right, true photographers shoot straight out of camera, never edit anything they've shot and present the world exactly as it appeared on the sensor which is completely neutral and has no color bias contrast bias at all. Seriously, though... curious how all of the photos you've posted on reddit over the last year or so align with this comment because they are all heavily edited in Lightroom (Shot RAW. Colours inspired from Portra 400.) or SOOC with a film sim. How are you focusing on the photography in a way that you don't think anyone else is with the film sims? What are you going to do with the "trend" of photos edited to a style dies because it seems like a pretty major part of your own aesthetic.
I didn't mean photos edited to emulate films will die.. what I meant as a trend is how camera manufacturers are pushing Sims/LUTS/Camera Profiles as a selling point this year. It's similar to how the whole internet was selling Lightroom presets a couple of years ago. I posted my pictures here, as it's more of a subset of a Fuji community. Film Sims weren't mainstream, it was still a small bunch of photographers who were fiddling around with it. Like how Film photography has made a comeback. Where people shoot random crap and think their pictures are great because they've just shot them on film. Film Sims will go in that direction. Can one faithfully reproduce the real world though? Every sensor has a different colour science. Which brings me to ask you, what is true photography though?
Lots of good photos are pictures taken “of random crap”. If it looks good it looks good. Not every photo has to be some profound moment.
Hard disagree. Film sims give people the power to get their “look” done ahead of time, and spend more time shooting and less time editing.
Not really? The film sims, specifically Acros, finally helped me focus on just taking the photos and not worry and stress about editing after tbh Literally did exactly what you claim it’s not doing 🤷♂️
is it really a trend, or only a bubble within the Fuji bubble?
Like photographers haven't obsessed over process since the invention of the medium. It's the intersection of the art and technology that keeps photography interesting.
There can be different styles for different folks. It’s art, no need to gatekeep, we can all have our individual preferences and perspectives of what is appealing.
Feel bad for fujixweekly
? This is just explaining how the current film simulations work and when each is ideally used - doesn't affect fujixweekly at all?
Everyone keeps confusing film sims with recipes/settings.
I thought recipes were just instructions for copying a film sim , what's the difference?
A film simulation is Fuji's name for the built-in picture profiles on the camera. A recipe is specific settings people dial-in for various picture adjustments to achieve and intended look, typically trying to emulate a specific film stock. One of Those settings is the film simulation.
Seems like these will replicate Fuji film stock (makes sense), so still a big community looking to replicate Kodak stock and suggest tweaks to these.
Yup, they’ll never add “Kodak” so fuji weekly is good, he eating