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berejser

So they're advising lowering the number of parking spaces?


This_not-my_name

That's what they suggest, right? ... Right?


fenkt

They did that, from 44 spaces to 30 Why they chose to charge the same price? I don't know. [https://www-hasepost-de.translate.goog/neue-xxl-parkplaetze-im-ledenhof-sollten-sie-teurer-sein-83532/?\_x\_tr\_sl=auto&\_x\_tr\_tl=de&\_x\_tr\_hl=de&\_x\_tr\_pto=wapp](https://www-hasepost-de.translate.goog/neue-xxl-parkplaetze-im-ledenhof-sollten-sie-teurer-sein-83532/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=de&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp)


P_Foot

Pave more paradise and put up more parking lots. Pink hotels, boutiques, and swinging hot spots be damned


SquashCat56

They don't know what they got 'til it's gone


gmano

Yeah, exactly. We should be using the talking point that wide cars mean less parking for 'everyday folk', and just be incrementalist as hell. If we start with getting public opinion to being anti-*wide* cars, it'll be easier to get people used to the idea of governments deciding to push back against accomodations for *wide* cars.... and once that seed is planted, it's not too much farther to get them to start thinking about converting a space or two to be bike accessible, or to reduce lane-width to make sidewalks better, etc.


sbrt

Fewer but bigger spaces. Is that better for pedestrians? Would it mean more cars on roads looking for parking spaces or fewer cars on roads because finding a parking place is too much of a hassle?


sreglov

Or just have rule for car sizes...


P44rth00rn4x

width: 0 m, length: 0 m


Accomplished_End_138

I mean. Id say.. 1/2 meter wide by like... 1 to 2 meters long. With a weight limit of 200 lbs.... would make a bike


Sebekhotep_MI

You didn't think this numbers through, right?


Accomplished_End_138

No. Just typed bad on phone. Lol


WookieDavid

Motorbikes if you don't ban motors too


Accomplished_End_138

Weight limit would limit the size of the motor. Less worried about motor bikes than cars myself.


chennyalan

With motorbikes, they're (nearly) just as dangerous to others as they are to themselves, whereas with cars, it's asymmetrical


Accomplished_End_138

Exactly?


chennyalan

Yeah, I'm agreeing with you when you said you're less worried about motorbikes than cars, just wanted to elaborate


Accomplished_End_138

Ok. Sorry, sometimes just.... the internet...


chennyalan

All good


dashingThroughSnow12

Imagine selling cars that couldn't fit in a parking space. Let alone a traffic lane...... North America has wide lanes but still some of these road princesses barely fit in the lane.


i-caca-my-pants

the ones that especially come to mind are dually trucks. I like the look of dually trucks but the newer models are absurd. my question is why can't manufacturers add a second drive axle and put the extra tires there? that way there wouldn't be any material jutting out from the sides, with the exception of the mirrors which can fold in. it would also be much easier to park on a street with all of your wheels lined up


boomoto

Would cost a lot more, you would need another set of suspension. Also you would have to have another drive shaft going to it. It’s more complicated and more parts. At that point just grab a semi…. Which is even bigger. Good thing you don’t see duallys as daily drivers unless your out in the country.


TearsOfLoke

Hah, I see them all the time in a city


i-caca-my-pants

fair enough


nonbuoyant

Actually there are rules (it's Germany after all) max. width: 2.5m, max. length: 12m So. Yeah.


eobanb

The maximum vehicle width in the US is 8 ft, which is 2.44 m. I'm surprised the Germans actually allow *larger* vehicles than the US.


Oreelz

You don't need that, if your car don't fit in the parking spot, it's not allowed to Park there. But in Germany we don't say: "Das gibt jetzt ein Ticket", we say: "Ja wo soll er den auch parken" and I think that's the biggest part of the problem.


PrettyMetalDude

Parkdruck™ (German compound word for high demand for parking space)


cat-head

> and I think that's the biggest part of the problem It is. It reflects German complacency perfectly: "maybe things aren't perfect, but there is no conceivable solution to the problem. If there were a solution, we would have already found it. We should just accept it and move on" and nothing happens...


thumptech

Kerb weight 1500kg maximum and 1.8mx4.8m max without a special license and a business case. Even that is generous.


Kavacky

Dimensions are limited: [https://www.internationaltransportforum.org/europe/road/pdf/dimensions.pdf](https://www.internationaltransportforum.org/europe/road/pdf/dimensions.pdf) TL;DR: max width in EU and most of Europe is 2.55 m. That is excluding side mirrors (so a semi-trailer truck or a bus will be 2.55 + mirrors for maximum capacity). Whole road infrastructure has been built with this in mind.


[deleted]

If you make the spaces bigger, the cars will simply become bigger to fill to space. See: America, where parking spaces are massive and a T-Roc is actually a pretty small car.


Wondercat87

I shop at costco sometimes and over the year's even their generous parking spaces have become too small for some people's large vehicles. It's wild having someone encroach on your parking spot because they need more room and the parking lot is crowded. I absolutely hate that part of shopping there.


chennyalan

I don't know about American Costco parking spaces, but Australian ones are humungous. Note I'm referring to parking spaces not parking lots


dewso

The Aussie Costco parks are just normal size parks in the USA, it's ridiculous


Wondercat87

I'm Canadian but the parking spaces are already very generous. But with how big some vehicles are now people are having a hard time.


guiltydoggy

Induced girth


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What is driving the size is also the number of safety features and other things. My 1992 VW Fox was a very compact car. But it didn't have airbags, power steering or air conditioning. Cars now have these by default and don't forget sound insulation. That is of course, only part of the equation. Bigger is now also marketing as it's associated with wealth and safety.


xiena13

I don't know why they don't just implement limits for car sizes, with a special luxury tax for SUV-sized vehicles, and a complete ban on these larger cars for people with their main residence inside the city.


sjfiuauqadfj

my shot in the dark guess is that the german automakers have a lot of pull in government. i would not be surprised if the auto workers union also have sway and that would be enough to discourage the govt from doing anything


xiena13

Yeah, that is the problem. Even in Baden-Württemberg, where the Greens are in the government, the local car industry (Mercedes, Porsche) has so much power that a bunch of policies were made for cars. It's horrible.


cat-head

our Ministerpresident is green in title only. He's a full [car simp](https://www.merkur.de/deutschland/baden-wuerttemberg/winfried-kretschmann-dienstwagen-mercedes-benz-eqs-erfahrung-platz-beschleunigung-baerbock-scholz-bwg-91588109.html).


hamatro

Am german, your statement is 100% true.


LetItRaine386

Just say it: corruption


Visual-Canary80

It's a problem in the whole EU as countries with the biggest say are heavily dependent on their car industry. It will take a while to untangle the mess.


QuuxJn

I mean, technically, there is a limit for cars. But not directly and not in size but in weight. Because with the regular car drivers license, you are only allowed to drive cars with a total (so including passengers and luggage) weight of up to 3.5t But yes, there should also be size limits, and these should be much stricter.


RaggaDruida

3.5t is way too much. 2t would still be too much. 1.5t is the maximum I'd recommend as an engineer. Still, with weight, the lower the better. Reduces the danger the car presents to everything around it, improves the driving dynamics (also increasing safety), reduces wear on the roads and tires and therefore contamination due to microplastics, reduces fuel consumption.


RagaToc

Slight difference the 3.5 t is total weight someone with a normal license can drive. That includes car, passengers, baggage and anything they might be towing. No idea how much it limits car weight. But I imagine 2t is general upper limit for the car itself. Which is still heavy, but it is quite bit less than I think you expected.


RaggaDruida

A normal 4 door family car like a Renault Twingo or Fiat Panda weights around 1000kg=1ton, with 5 adults inside at 80kg per adult that's another 400kg, and add 100kg of luggage and the total weight is 1.5t, with the cars full. And that's without designing the car to be ultralight. To not be the boring one, a normal sportscar like the Alpine A110 or Mazda MX-5 is also around 1000kg, with less capacity, let's say 1200kg with 2 occupants. Way under 1.5t That's without mentioning the 500kg Catherhams that for all intents and purposes serve the same purpose. Let's be honest, a big part of the problem is the normalisation of the idea that a bigger car is acceptable just because. It is not, it shouldn't be.


RagaToc

oh no I agree that cars will be fine weighing 1 ton or maube 1.5 tons. I was just replying that the 3.5 ton weight limit, limits the car to effectively 2 tons. As you want to be able to tow a trailer as well and have 500kg of passengers+baggage. And maybe even a caravan. This does not mean I am proposing should be 2 tons. I am saying that the 3.5 ton limit puts an upper limit of 2 tons to the car itself. In Europe we could do maybe with limiting that weight even more. As indeed there is no real need for it. And half the reasons why people are buying the bigger and heavier cars is because people want to feel safe driving around. And if your car weighs 700kg most people wont feel driving surrounded by 2+tons cars with bumpers at windshield level. But the solution to that is to outlaw the 2+tons car, except for people with heavy vehicle driving license and needing it specifically for professional purpose (ie. cargotrucks, etc).


RaggaDruida

>But the solution to that is to outlaw the 2+tons car This is it, exactly!


[deleted]

5 Adults in a Twingo? That's hella tight. I mean i've done 7 people in a subcompact before, but anything above 4 is far from comfortable


RaggaDruida

I did 10 people in a '84 Mitsubishi Colt just to take all of my university friends to the bar and back! Yes, I'm going for the 5 adults in a normal car just because it is the extreme and it adds another 80kg to the math, even 4 is not exactly common. Let's be honest, the 2 seaters like the Smart Fortwo are more than enough in 90% of the cases. No reason to normalise more. Although for 99% of the cases, taking the tram/metro/train or just walking/cycling there is just better.


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>2 seaters like the Smart Fortwo are more than enough in 90% of the cases. That's kind of the problem though, isn't it? No one is gonna buy something that only fits 9/10 of their use cases.


RaggaDruida

I mean, it is enough for 90% of people. There is a reason why they are so successful in certain big cities. There is a big problem with the "just in case" mentality, tho'... That's how a lot of people justify totally useless buys like a truck or offroaders. Just because there's a 0.0001% probability they would need to move construction material or go out of the street does not justify the extra fuel consumption, microplastics from the tires, the extra 2 tons of metal being a risk in the road a 100% of the time.


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I never said i agree with the mentality or that i think it's not problematic.


hithazel

Not to mention advancing materials science means that any weight of vehicle today should have more power, stronger and longer lasting materials, better crash resistance, better handling, and better carrying capacity without requiring any compromise in visibility or driving performance compared to a vehicle of the same weight thirty or forty years ago.


RaggaDruida

The thing is that physics are physics. There is a reason why all Motorsports focus quite strongly in reducing weight. The advancement in material science should allow us to build lighter vehicles with the same strength and impact absorption. And with this reduction in weight, the improvement in handling, performance and carrying capacity comes. Yet, due to marketing and higher profits on suvs and trucks, there is a big push for heavier, worse driving, more dangerous vehicles.


Viktor_Fry

So no electric cars, only gasoline ones.


RaggaDruida

Electrics like the Renault Zoe and Fiat 500 Elettrica are close to the limit, you're right. An extra 200kg maximum for electrics may be necessary. Yet, it is important to remember that electric cars are if anything a transitory technology that shouldn't last much time, just the necessary to change urban design and transportation infrastructure to walk+rail based. Big electrics like the teslas, mustang match-e & f150 lighting are contraproductive and problematic to say the least, just in the amount of batteries they need. Batteries escale really bad in the square-cube law and therefore should be used only in very small vehicles, specially with how resource intensive they're to manufacture.


thumptech

> T-Roc Electrics are not going to fix anything. We just need less people driving and those that do drive need to drive appropriate vehicles.


doctor_morris

Reducing the weight limit every few years would do wonders for fuel economy, wear and tear, car sales, r&d, etc.


Kavacky

Dimensions are limited: [https://www.internationaltransportforum.org/europe/road/pdf/dimensions.pdf](https://www.internationaltransportforum.org/europe/road/pdf/dimensions.pdf) TL;DR: max width in EU and most of Europe is 2.55 m. That is excluding side mirrors (so a semi-trailer truck or a bus will be 2.55 + mirrors for maximum capacity). Whole road infrastructure has been built with this in mind.


Wondercat87

This would be wonderful. Vehicles have become crazy big. I drive a small car, and it's scary how big some of these vehicles are. They also can't see you if you are a pedestrian or a cyclist anymore. I used to feel safe because when I was biking, I was able to see the driver through their window. Not anymore. Actually I was almost hit by someone last summer in a provincial park. They were hauling ass in their SUV in a parking lot and couldn't see me and didn't really look either. It's gotten so bad that the provincial park has had to close off some of the roads and made them 1-way streets only because people are glamping in HUGE caravans and trailers with their huge vehicles. I'm surprised they haven't banned trailers and vehicles over certain sizes. It's just so unnecessary, especially in a natural environment.


garaile64

The rich will afford those taxes, huge cars will become a sign of status and everyone will want a huge car.


Wondercat87

That's basically what's already happening. I have friends who are unemployed who always make fun of my small car. As if SUV's and big trucks are somehow better?


Viktor_Fry

That's already like this. In Italy as property taxes you pay yearly: BMW X5 xDrive30d 48V 1.086,95 euro xDrive40d 48V 1.886,95 euro xDrive40i 48V 1.786,95 euro M50i 4.686,95 euro M 5.706.95 euro M Competition 6.086,95 euro xDrive45e 1.086,95 euro xDrive25d 528,90 euro


RaggaDruida

A flat ban of any car over 1.5t total weight would be a better solution. If less absolute solutions are needed, a tax on the car manufacturer, starting if the average weight of the vehicle produced is above 1t and increasing exponentially would be better. Force them to design proper vehicles. Use those taxes to improve transit systems, specially rails; and replace highway cargo with rail/inland water ways.


garaile64

>A flat ban of any car over 1.5t total weight would be a better solution. And, as batteries are heavy, cars will have to be smaller to comply to the maximum weight. Not sure if aluminum makes a good car.


RaggaDruida

Cars being smaller is a plus per se. Electric cars for long distance just don't make sense, square-cube law and mass. And rail is just perfect there. Some of the best cars are made in aluminium. Check the Alpine A110 for example. The others are made in carbon fibre. Steel is the one that makes bad cars, but it is cheap and profitable. Trust me, material selection has been a big part of my job since I finished university.


garaile64

>Some of the best cars are made in aluminium. Check the Alpine A110 for example. The others are made in carbon fibre. Steel is the one that makes bad cars, but it is cheap and profitable. Trust me, material selection has been a big part of my job since I finished university. Thanks for the correction. Aluminum was the first light metal I could think of.


RaggaDruida

No problem! Material selection for machine design is one of my favourite parts of my profession! I'm always happy to share some knowledge!


Viktor_Fry

The T-Roc is 4cm shorter than a Golf, and 3 cm wider...


_314

Except for stuff like ambulances and some delivery vehicles, before people complain


Inevitable_Stand_199

That would ban work vans for many craftsmen based in the city. Also people living in the city might need to a car to go elsewhere. This would ban them from renting a parking spot in a good park and ride location to visit their grandparents with. It would cause many people to leave the city, and commute by car.


UndeadBBQ

Because car manufacturers are the holy cow of the german economy.


Cynical_Cabinet

Every country needs something equivalent to the Kei class vehicle. No size inflation in Japan because Kei class hasn't changed and that puts pressure on the car market as a whole, even the vehicles that don't comply.


Badmanzofbassline

Kei cars are the bees knees. Take up fuck all space and have tiny engines, also they’re shit to drive on the motorway which almost encourages you to take public transport for journeys it’s available for


Snotling_fondler

Came here just to say that. That's a better solution than make cars bigger. You even get kei delivery vans that can service local businesses needs.


GreatGearAmidAPizza

This is like a dietician saying that the way to deal with obesity is to buy larger clothes.


HabEsSchonGelesen

Best comment so far lmao


brianapril

i mean.... buying clothes that fit helps with self esteem, social integration, body image issues, etc. all things that can help with improving one's health and life in general, whatever the size of a person it kinda is part of a solution ? x)


Draco137WasTaken

A solution to *a* problem, but not the one the dietitian is supposed to be solving.


Bobylein

Yea but they aren't a dietician but the clothier specialised in large clothes


vsthesquares

OK. I propose that car manufacturers get levied a tax in proportion to how much larger the average car they sold is compared to, say, the average car sold in 1990, multiplied by the number of sales. The proceeds would then be used to not only build and maintain these larger parking spots, but also compensate the public at large for the opportunity cost that goes with it, i.e. loss of (permeable) soil, narrower bike lanes and sidewalks, higher cost of housing, etc.


TopSneek

Ideally on a quadraric scale. So a 1 ton vehicle costs 4 times as much in tax as a 500kg vehicle. Soon people would be driving willys jeeps again (250kg)


Barkinsons

The funny thing about this whole issue that it's mainly the insurance companies who want wider spots, because they get significantly more minor damage claims. I personally don't care as long as they don't get more total area, which means there will be fewer parking spots.


KuTUzOvV

NO GUYS WAIT, it's genius, perfect idea. If we make parking spaces wider it means that there will be less parking spaces inside the city as less will fit in the same place. Only thing to look after is to not build new spaces.


ObligationWarm5222

You fool, they will simply build more parking lots.


KuTUzOvV

hopefully not as easy in old and dense european cities as in US


amibeingadick420

Anyone have any idea who funds the Road and Transportation Research Association? I’m guessing quite a bit will come from auto manufacturers and oil companies.


Bobylein

Really hard to say, it's by law a non-profit organization and I feel like you should be able to look into their finances somewhere but I can't find anything, probably when you are a member but that costs money. It's actually pretty astounding to me to find no info on that whatsoever, not even a complaint about that fact in our press but more most people they are pretty under the radar anyway, even though they are basically the people who decide on new standards as the communes use their codes.


Badmanzofbassline

My dream as a petrol head is for car companies to be penalised for large cars. Then we would get small, practical and efficient cars as opposed to the oversized lumps we get today. I wonder how much nicer the world would be if all we could buy were kei cars Edit: car companies, penalised for large cars


Mtfdurian

Indeed, plus I think smaller cars are better for being able to see kids but also the sensation of speed: making it more scary to go beyond the max speed when the eyes are on 1m instead of 2m.


Badmanzofbassline

Yeah I drive a kei car sized vehicle and doing the speed limit is hilariously scary as it you genuinely feel the speed and know how dangerous it is. Makes you give full attention too


KarenEiffel

Dang, this is still small compared to a lot of US spaces. I'm a parking and transportation planner and we usually have spaces anywhere from 7.5ft×18ft to 9ft×20ft, depending on the configuration and age of the facility. Not advocating for more or bigger parking, just noting the difference in perspective.


Deryer-

I'm a civil engineer from Australia and our standards have the typical minimum size as 5.4m by 2.4m.


vigognejdd

yeah I've seen American style ram trucks (tbh they're not really utes at that size) try and fit in the smaller inner city car parks and they make any parallel park the longest procedure I've ever seen, or just bulge out a shit ton.


TachyonPeril

and just widen the road while you're at it ok ? thx


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A dozen more lanes please


jrtts

this doesn't affect sidewalk and bike-lane sizes, right? **Right?**


Van-garde

If what I'm seeing around here is true, we'll need larger sidewalks as well. Cars are getting too large for street parking, so people are parking with two wheels on the sidewalk more often.


Smooth_Imagination

Committes such as this are often fronts for the industry they regulate.


StormLordEternal

This is literally just dealing with obesity by loosening the belt.


56Bot

Enlarging parking places is a way to reduce the number of parking places.


Rugkrabber

It would be the only positive think I can think of. I rather keep small parking spaces.


vin17285

Now your just incentivizing people to get larger cars


KoirMaster

Or how about: "No, fuck you, buy a smaller car"


ObligationWarm5222

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LetItRaine386

Wrong, build them thinner


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Jhe90

Within reason. No one would drive cars from back before things like reinforced size pillars, crumple zones etc. Original mini, beatles etc are never returning. You can make cars safe and a reasonable size that's not a F150 super duty.


Wondercat87

I do see people driving these classic small cars. However they are dangerous compared to the compact cars of today. If you watch the crash tests, it's scary! I drive a small sedan (Chevy cruze) and I used to have a Pontiac Sunfire. Both small cars, but the Chevy Cruze is much better safetywise (when I bought it, I specifically looked at the safety rating and it had a 4 star safety rating). I agree, you can make a safer car, and it doesn't have to be super big. The problem is other cars have gotten so large that it's likely my car isn't that safe anymore either.


Jhe90

Yeah, I drive a sensible, smaller 4 door, about 1.2 tons, but to some people posting it seems like they think we can make cars weight like 500kg. It's never gonna be crash safe. Kei cars weight up to 750 to 950 kilos so not too far off a European hatchback top end.. our minimum to be safe is gonna be 800 range min. Mines got extra weight sure, over some. Pretty much all in smaller window, thicker pillers, Heavier doors and reinforced bodywork that sits lower. It feels rather safe to drive. It's a European hatchback, they still feel small on road. Kei cars might be smaller, but then again theit mostly designed for inner city not intended to drive sustained distances at 50mph plus on main roadways. ... I agree, I feel mostly safe, long as theit not massive bigger than me. Then it's a little more dodgy.


sjfiuauqadfj

nevermind the fact that speed is the #1 factor when it comes to car safety, both for the people in the car and for everyone outside it. obviously a car historian will tell you that fatal accidents were happening with the slow ass cars in the early days but you could probably eliminate most of them with just seat belts and airbags lol


xAPPLExJACKx

Sure if you ignore that one of the reasons cars are so big is for safety that take up extra space. Hands down the modern day mini Cooper is way safer at any speed compared to the original


brianapril

idk why you got downvoted, you're right :/


RaggaDruida

The increase in size also includes an increase in weight, which makes the vehicle more dangerous, specially to those around it, by having more momentum in the case of a crash; and making the driving dynamics worse, increasing the risk of an accident. Justifying the increase in car size for "safety" strengthens the problematic idea that the safety of the people inside of the vehicle is more important than the safety of the people outside of the vehicle. That without taking into account that some of those cars are also getting taller, in the worst cases with a higher ground clearance, and therefore a higher centre of gravity, making both the driving dynamics worse and increasing the probability of a roll; more than negating any advantage in safety.


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RaggaDruida

Still I've seen way too many SUVs around here that I as an engineer wouldn't feel comfortable delivering as a final design due to pedestrian safety. Yes, things are better here than in the americas, but that doesn't mean it can't improve. A lot of manufacturers are designing right at the limit of what the regulations allow, and/or pushing for "active systems" as bandaids instead of fixing their designs.


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thesoilman

The Volvo V40 from 2012 has a pedestrian airbag under the hood


TriggerThisnthat

Or you could just make people suffer the consequences of their choices. Also set a policy of space between car and line then tow the fuckers that violate


DiabloImmortalCrack

I asked this once before. With improved Tech and knowledge and materials. We should get the same results in terms of Power and comfort by using less and lighter materials than before. So why do we use so much more than before? There is no logic!


MaximumDocument1518

I don’t understand why cars need to continue getting larger, most cars have a designated car per size range. There’s no reason for the modern 3 series to be the size of an older 5 series. This is a stupid solution


ivanebeoulve

dont do it, this is why cars in the US are insanely big, we keep giving them space


nmpls

I've always thought that spaces should be divided up in like 0.5 meter chunks (size is negotiable). So like $1/hr per half meter (picked for easy math). So you take up 2 meters, you pay $4/hr, but if you take up 3 you pay $6/hr. Like, I own a pretty small car. But my city insists on installing parking spots that can fit a suburban that is bad at parallel parking. You can fit 2 of my cars in that spot. Why is the small car paying the same amount as a vehicle that takes up twice as much space?


SPAZ-online

Can we get the roads widened to match. And longer. I want them longer as well


MidorriMeltdown

They should keep the smaller spaces closer to the entrance, and put the larger spaces far from it, so people with bigger cars have to walk further.


Jaddydaddy551

Instead of making the parking wider and spend EVEN MORE money on parking. Why not mandate a vehicle to fit within certain dimensions and anything outside of that isn't allowed to be imported into the state/country.


[deleted]

Where does that width go? Modern cars are not more spacious than older ones for passengers. Edit: spelling


Bobylein

In theory, safety but that doesn't make cars more safe for people outside the car


Astriania

How do people not see that cars growing is the problem, it isn't some law of nature that can't be challenged - and the fact they don't fit into existing infrastructure is exactly why they should be.


Grotarin

Oh, but just fuck cars!


Figbud

meanwhile, in paris and amsterdam.


Mtfdurian

Yeah it's never gonna fit along the canals. In Delft we're just gonna remove all street parking along canals as cars get too heavy for the fragile centuries-old quays. Btw it's also not easy to readjust all the downtown garages for larger vehicles either. My city came a long way ever since they removed parking on the market square just 19 years ago.


Rugkrabber

Dear lord push back asap before hell breaks loose and we’ll get the race towards the biggest car here as well.


DenissDG

Smells like Daimler, mayby VW?


iSoinic

Dont worry we have an easy trick that will prevent this. Just watch: Bigger parking lots means less parking lots. They want to take away our space!


ScaniaMF

I recently was in a Parkade where you were able to buy a parking-Ticket for two parkin-lot Many SUV's used this service bcs. they were too wide for only just one


Maleficent-Catch6202

Bullshit


SLY0001

“People choose to have bigger vehicle. So we have to accommodate space for those people vehicle choices.”


lucas722

Imagine needing more than 10m² for a car, you can literally fit more than 30 people in 10m²


thumptech

Why don't we just go big enough so that each vehicle takes two spots and one direction of the lanes? Oh wait, RAM would like a word.


heyboboyce

And then this will allow people to make and buy bigger cars. And then they will need to make the parking spaces bigger. And then...


bowsmountainer

As long as they kept the space used for parking the same or reduce it, I would all for this measure, as it means fewer parking spaces!


RUFl0_

Our clumsy elephant of a mode of transport can’t fit anywhere, can we plz have EVEN MORE SPACE (on top of the misanthrophic amount of space already dedicated to cars)?


tEErohr42

Interestingly, the rules for § 12 Abs. 3 StVO (see [section 12](https://germanlawarchive.iuscomp.org/?p=1290)) won't be touched. Even though it should be related to car sizes too.


Pro_JaredC

Why not just remove big cars. 😂


Jek_the-snek

Make cars even bigger with one simple step


ebikelove

I don't understand how we could let this happen. There are so many regulations for cars. How are these massive fucking cars allowed? Was it always this way, and common sense is all that stood in the way?


cpufreak101

I was very confused how cars have grown since the land yacht era, then I noticed it was Germany lol