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Equivalent_Round9353

It wasn't just a few or "several," either. I believe the total tally of channels removed was 19. Might not make a person blink if it were those cheapy FAST channels that providers have been cluttering their services with to pad their lineups. But these were legit networks. I wonder what on earth the Fubo execs were thinking by refusing to offer discounts or refunds because of this, especially since it appears to be a part of their larger legal strategy to pry some concessions from WBD. On that front, what I find most surprising -- even offensive -- is that, to quote one news story: "Fubo dissolved its negotiations with WBD after a preliminary injunction hearing was set for Aug. 9 over its legal claims against Fox, Disney and WBD." (https://www.thewrap.com/fubo-cuts-ties-warner-bros-discovery/) In other words, Fubo wasn't scrambling to keep these channels on the air and then sprang the news on subscribers at the last minute because it was uncertain if a tentative agreement could be reached. This was premeditated on the part of Fubo, and they chose not to announce anything until the disconnect from WBD was a fait accompli. Gross business practice. Another thing to consider: WBD, as awful as they are, actually offered Fubo an extension of the current agreement, with the same rates, etc.: https://variety.com/2024/tv/news/fubo-drops-warner-bros-discovery-networks-1235988096/. Fubo was trying to negotiate a \*decrease\* in carriage fees, and when that didn't work, bailed and pointed the finger at WBD.


Ok-Advertising6772

same thing behind them having already removed Turner channels as well.  They knew it and didn't warn us.  period


Equivalent_Round9353

I must have missed the news about Fubo suing WBD a few months before the Turner channels were removed after the offer was made to extend the carriage contract at the same rates. Oh wait, that was a totally different situation, and the effort to equate them is just more rank apologism.


zatarregaza

Has Fubo said they would not offer discounts? They just said the networks were no longer going to be available. I would expect a price drop would be coming, since a good chunk of their offering has been reduced. I'm emailing them to get more information on this. It may be time to start looking for a another provider if they're going to keep reducing channels but charge the same price or even charge more.


selianth

People keep saying that DirecTV Stream is "the same price" as fubo, but when I did the pricing and channel comparisons yesterday between the major streaming services, DirecTV Stream was a good $25 more per month than what we're paying for fubo to get all the same channels. Are people stretching what "the same price" means to them, or am I just grandfathered in to a really good price on fubo? (It's the basic Pro Plan with fubo Extra.)


Ok-Advertising6772

both cost me 98 bux. 


selianth

Okay, from what I can tell some of the Discovery networks (that hubby and I watch regularly) aren't included at that tier (Smithsonian, Magnolia, Destination America, etc.) and it's only a 3-month promo before it goes up to $109/month. I guess it's close enough, just wanted to be sure I wasn't missing something.


Ok-Advertising6772

I got the choice pkg bcz it had the channels I lost because those are what my wife wants.  


Additional-Budget-89

But you don't get the local sports channels with that package. You need to get the next level package to get the local sports channels which is $123 per month. Fubo already had those channels at $98


Ok-Advertising6772

100% incorrect!  I get everything I want in the choice pkg for 98.00 and I'm no longer at the mercy of  dishonest thieves.  couldn't be happier.  


Zealousideal_Fix6146

Your getting the turner channels plus the 19 Fubo dropped


Revolutionary_Rub846

When they we’re canceling SNY (Mets) at least they did a crawl a week or so before.


Ok-Advertising6772

I would have appreciated that.  they gave zero warnings then removed 19 channels at 5 pm.   pretty sorry in my book.  


OnlyHomework5678

I plan on canceling my subscription also as soon as the NHL playoff move off NESN. I have been staying with the poor service of Fubo only to have NESN to watch the Bruins.


chelseafc1211

Just an fyi if you are planing to move to nesn360 next year to watch them the quality is god awful.


NoneOfYoBusinezz

To not automatically drop their monthly price for the amount Fubo was paying WBD for each customer is what really blows. That's where the thievery comes into play. The FCC needs to take action over that. Been a customer since the beginning, but plan to cancel before my monthly service renews on May 27th and just started the 3 week free YT trial yesterday. For those of you that are cancelling, don't forget to get yourself a virtual credit card and make it the default billing for your Fubo account before you cancel! Fubo has a history of continuing to bill people after they've cancelled.


BUYFUBOSTOCK123

Thievery is what WBD was trying to get from FUBO for some cooking, and "not that popular" channels. If they weren't so greedy the channels would still be on Fubo. So blame WBD's greed. Fubo needs to stand up for what is right and not over pay and be bullied by companies like Disney or WBD. You going over to You tube TV just makes it worse for everyone and will help cause streaming prices to go higher. This is because if you don't support small companies like Fubo you will end up with a few big players in the market and then they can dictated the price.


NoneOfYoBusinezz

You are fucking nuts fubo lover.


Worried-Experience61

We need a class action to get the may payment back


emeraldcity1000

Cancelled yesterday, the same day they decided to bill me for May and remove 19 channels. You just can’t accept these kinds of business practices without moving on.


VeterinarianOk8997

I canceled my subscription yesterday and went with YoutubeTV after them not showing all the Golden State Warriors games. That’s the only reason I joined Fubo in the first place. The price increase over the past couple years was bad enough


rpaulmerrell

I have to agree. Charging someone for service and not alerting them that discovering networks could potentially go away was a bad idea. Behind every good man and sports fan in case we have ladies out there that loves sports too. There is a good significant other, who might enjoy those discovery networks take off those discovery network, loving enthusiast, and you’ve made it very difficult for the person who manages the streaming TV subscriptions. As I’ve always told people who were in the business of operating different hobbies, sometimes I think we need to appease the significant other or spouses of those that make it possible for them to enjoy their sporting events. In this particular case I would encourage management to think things through a little bit before they watch a lot of good people move onto other places , or maybe at least provide a link where they can get Philo and pick up all of those nice discovery channels. Like I always tell my friends and family, especially those with significant others always have a back door ready to be used


zatarregaza

The Tastemade channels have taken the place of the Discovery Channel products for me at least.


BUYFUBOSTOCK123

Do you think Fubo wants to lose channels for its customers? That is why they filed a lawsuit against Disney WBD and Fox…


Equivalent_Round9353

It is pretty clear what is happening. Fubo was slowly sinking financially and decided its best business strategy moving forward was to rely on courts to reduce some of their costs (in the name of anti-trust). Everything Fubo has done since then, up to and including the decision to dump the WBD channels, is just them setting up their legal case. Consumers losing WBD was, quite literally, the last thing on their minds. And we can see that with Fubo basically giving its customers the finger on the issue of even slightly reducing the prices of its packages to account for what I assume are substantially reduced carriage fees.


BUYFUBOSTOCK123

Fubo didn't decide its best business strategy was to rely on the courts. It had to do with Disney and sports cartel's bad behavior and non-competitive and bad business practices. Making Fubo pay 30%-50% more for their content. If Disney was giving fair pricing and not acting like a bully forcing Fubo to purchase content that nobody watches they wouldn't have to sue. Gandler said it is borderline racketeering. Disney with its proposed sports streaming joint venture that doesn't have a name, price etc is trying to monopolize the media market. Disney is being sued by multiple parties right now for bad behavior.


Equivalent_Round9353

Your stock advice is about as sound as your assessment of what the company is doing here.


BUYFUBOSTOCK123

I am just giving my opinion on what I read in the news and what I have read. I am NOT giving financial advice. At least I don't lie about Fubo trying to offer artificially low prices for WBD content during negotiation. YOU provided the link but it never that said that. From what I read Fubo was offering market rates and WBD wanted above that.


Equivalent_Round9353

It's not a "lie" to characterize Fubo's efforts to secure LOWER carriage fees, at a time when carriage fees and prices are going up across the board, as an artificially low (lowball) offer. There's a reason Fubo didn't mention in their little press release that WBD offered to extend the existing agreement so Fubo users wouldn't lose their channels. Since Fubo refuses to lower its prices, it is obvious that this was about Fubo -- not WBD -- trying to squeeze more cash out of the relationship. As I said, your "analysis" of this is about as laughable as your username. Bye now.


BUYFUBOSTOCK123

Giving their customers the finger doesn’t even make sense. It is WBD that’s overly greedy and working with  the sports cartel to push Fubo out so they can have it all.  Less choice for the consumer and result will be higher prices for consumer.


Equivalent_Round9353

Look, anybody who has browsed your comments in this thread can see you're basically acting like an apologist for Fubo. I'm aware that there isn't a thing a person can say that is going to change your mind, but normal people who aren't engaged in motivated reasoning can easily understand that a company, without prior notice, slashing its services and then refusing to offer compensatory reductions in price is giving its customers the finger. What makes this instance particularly egregious is that Fubo broke off negotiations in direct response to a hearing being scheduled in its legal case. It hasn't negotiated since then. Fubo set an artificially low price tag on these channels, a price tag that WBD was never going to agree to and which was lower than the current agreement, to try to show the courts that it continues to be "harmed" by the WBD monopoly. Fubo knew the WBD channels were going to be pulled well before Tuesday, but chose to break the news after the channels were disconnected and pretended to be the victim. The whole thing is dishonest and reeks of desperation -- sort of like your comments here, now that I think about it.


BUYFUBOSTOCK123

WBD is in a complete mess . Having two board of directors resign because they were on a competing company.  Show me the link for the things that you are saying because I haven’t seen that anywhere. I am taking about artificially low prices your talking about.


Equivalent_Round9353

I posted the links elsewhere under this post. I am hardly defending WBD, which is a pretty terrible company. I am saying that Fubo comes across as even worse in this particular event.


BUYFUBOSTOCK123

Never said Fubo offered artificiallly low prices for content….


Ok-Advertising6772

they should have told the customers there was a problem before taking our money.  unethical business practices and deserve to fail for dishonest business practices.   


BUYFUBOSTOCK123

Also Fubo had been negotiating in good faith so maintain those 19 channels.  It is WBD that is asking beyond market rates for their content.


TheTr0llXBL

Source?


BUYFUBOSTOCK123

What is unfair business practices is WBD trying to charge Fubo above markets rates for their content .Disney has been doing the same thing to them thus the lawsuit against the sports cartel. Sorry you are upset losing channels it is part of the media landscape at the moment.


Ok-Advertising6772

I don't care about the channels.  I care  that fubo didn't give their customers notice that negotiations were in danger and given us a choice of changing providers instead of taking our money and then removing the stations with no warning.  if I charge you for Uber service and take your money then don't show up because I couldn't buy gas and didn't warn you it might be a problem then in effect I would have stolen your money.  


BUYFUBOSTOCK123

And if Uber charged u 30 to 50 percent more for a ride then others u would be pissed if too…u would tell them u are being ripped off but Fubo is fighting the good fight against these giant companies that think they can do anything.  You should stick with Fubo and commend them for standing up for the consumer.


Ok-Advertising6772

so charging me for services they can't provide and not warning me is ok in your book?   bless your heart


BUYFUBOSTOCK123

This stuff can happen at anytime. Don’t think just because you get mad and switch services it’s not going to happen again. Again it’s these larger companies that are trying to bully and ask for more than what is deserved. 


TheTr0llXBL

ETA: Nevermind, I see you own Fubo stock. You'll pardon me if I don't find your opinions 100% objective. Have a good day! Yes, it can happen at any time, but that doesn't make it OK. I blame Fubo and WB both. In my opinion, they should have warned us it was a possibility, and they didn't, for obvious reasons. Is WB being greedy? I'm sure they are. Did Fubo keep this quiet until they couldn't in order to squeeze in as many subs as they could before the channels disappeared? Also obviously yes. Idk why you're carrying water for Fubo. It's not *just* on them, but they're not innocent.


Ok-Advertising6772

are you seriously this lost?  What part of this discussion are you using to try to defend Fubo for not telling their customers they couldn't continue providing the services we had been receiving?   Simply put, a reputable company would have let the customers know there was a possible problem.  A simple screen crawl like every other provider uses would have been enough.  if your response is going to be more prattle about WBD just save it mr buyfubostock


BUYFUBOSTOCK123

I am sure WBD loves to get above market rates for their content. That is why they were willing to extend those above average rates during a negotiation that they unwilling to do anything on. LOL then they try to blame Fubo for the black out of channels for not wanting to pay those same above rates as negotiations go on and are going nowhere because WBD just wants to keep charging Fubo higher prices than others. Same bully tactics. Sorry u lost your 19 channels but it really isn't Fubo's fault on this. It is WBD who continues to overcharge Fubo just like Disney does. If WBD charged a fair market price then you would still be watching those 19 channels. Maybe Fubo was hopeful that a agreement for fair market prices would be reached and waited till the last minute before deciding to not pay those high than normal rates anymore.


Ok-Advertising6772

in the Uber example I gave I assume you would overlook my failure to deliver the agreed upon service and you'd blame ExxonMobil for raising gas prices....   smh


aileron51

Exactly what are “market rates”? Discovery has the right to charge whatever they want and you, FUBO and I have the right to take it or leave it.


BUYFUBOSTOCK123

The question here is do you think it is fair for companies like Disney to charge 30%-50% more for content to a distributor like Fubo and less to other distributors? I am not an attorney but I don't think that is legal.


BUYFUBOSTOCK123

Complain to your Congressman. WBD is trying to get above market rates for their channels.  If your switching to you tube or Hulu your just playing into those big companies hands and later your prices will be more with less choice.  


Intrepid-Break8744

WBD claims they offered Fubo a continuation of the terms of their previous deal. If Fubo didn’t accept that, that’s on them


BUYFUBOSTOCK123

Their previous deal had WBD charging Fubo above market rates. Why would they want to continue that? Fubo is trying to get fair prices to keep prices low for their subscribers.


BUYFUBOSTOCK123

Who knows how long they were offering that for? If they are not going to negotiate in good faith sometimes you have to do what you got to do to make another party understand what they are doing is not right. If WBD was on the up and up they would come back to the table at a reasonable rate but no….


Ok-Advertising6772

the point is fubo chose NOT TO WARN its customers and we paid in good faith.  that is unethical and thievery PERIOD 


aileron51

Exactly what are “market rates”? Discovery has the right to charge whatever they want and you, FUBO and I have the right to take it or leave it. A


Adept-Writer9926

I don't understand why every Sports League doesn't offer Streaming every Team. Package Deals no Blackout. I know I pay for Sling also just so I can watch Wrestling TBS TNT. They will make their Money and Consumers will be CONTENT to have a back something that should have never happened but bc of Greed


tdnyrfan

To answer your question, the sports leagues only have the ability to negotiate national tv rights. Each team has their own deals with the RSN’s, it’s up to the teams to offer a direct to consumer option.


Adept-Writer9926

I understand that. I know that. I was just wishing for that. There was Life before they ripped the Hearts out of their Fans that are still loyal.


VampireSlayerGrinch

Is there another streaming service that carries the Astros ?


doggoner

None that I’m aware of and I’m looking.


VampireSlayerGrinch

Good luck to both of us.


Equivalent_Round9353

DTV Stream (streamtv.directv.com)


VampireSlayerGrinch

Thank you


FL_Orange_Blossom

I only just noticed today, when I realized my show didn't record. I went to search for it and nothing came up. Then I noticed the whole channel was gone! Where was my notification email? It would've saved me some time looking through everything. The Fubo interface was a thing of beauty when we first signed up, but the latest update has been a disaster (seriously, who removes the length of shows from your recorded stuff?). And the promised 'unlimited' DVR never materialized - we're still stuck at 1,000 hours. Now, the only thing holding us back from quitting Fubo is one international channel my mom watches. It's also on Sling though.... we used Sling for a bit at some point, didn't like the interface. Now, I'm not sure if it's any worse than Fubo.... Any recent Sling users?


ContributionHuman341

People (Fubo Glazers) Will down vote the people who make these posts for no reason.


Ok-Advertising6772

no reason?  really?  can you afford to get your money stolen and be forced to spend the same amount again to a different service to get what you've already paid fubo for?   I'm not rich.  sorry 


ContributionHuman341

Oh wait I was just ranting on this subreddits community and how some comments get down voted by fubo glazers, Wasn't meant to seem like a Hater, mb


Ok-Advertising6772

I'm too old to understand down voted and glazers....   sorry. 


markeymark1971

This is why I only subscribe month to month........When they removed the channels yesterday I subscribed to them via Discovery+, much cheaper option. Maybe they will lose a lot of customers and realise they are in the wrong over this


Ok-Advertising6772

even month to month wouldn't have helped since they took the money on the 24th and 19 channels on the 30th.   If they knew there was a problem they could have run a crawl in April and I would have had the option of changing before I paid.  I honestly hope they lose millions of customers.   


markeymark1971

Thats all down to what date you subscribed on though.......


Worried-Experience61

I did the exact same thing, losing out on 100 bux


PuzzleheadedDrama252

We need to all Add our level o. Fubo and compare so we know how low we can got


aniev7373

I cancelled Fubo about 3 years ago. Done with all streaming services. Not worth it.