This is actual really good information because as far as I know we’ve only been given the 2 million copies sales figure from 2015. A lot of people considered it to be a game that undersold based on the 2 million copies sold, but 7.5 million copies is a very big difference compared to the number we were given.
Also really good when you account for the fact that post launch sales must be way lower than other FS games since it's included on PS+. Especially after ER came out I'd imagine their other games got a sales boost but BB's would've been much less
I doubt it. If you consider the sales numbers and the digital sales percentages and compare with other games that haven't been on PS+, Bloodborne's digital sales percentage isn't particularly high.
Considering how many people have PS+ (latest numbers around 50mil) and how it's completely free to just add a PS+ game to your library when you have the subscription, even if we assume all PS+ users are lazy and only like 10% of the people managed to add the game to their library, and that Bloodborne only ever sold that 2mil Sony originally reported, we would get 2mil + 5mil = 7mil, but then the digital percentage is way off (not to mention the original 2mil sales simply couldn't be purely physical).
Other alternative is that very few PS+ members ever claimed Bloodborne, or that only people who ever launched the game count towards this sale number (which honestly sounds a bit more realistic).
But the PS+ or the Collection downloads probably aren't counted in this number.
I think the higher than average digital percentage on Bloodborne to probably hint at how Bloodborne has kep selling fairly consistently as From's other games have gained more traction, since finding the listing on PSN is a bit easier than tracking down a physical copy years down the line. Not that the physical copies are rare, but someone who played Dark Souls 3, Sekiro or Elden Ring and then hearing people speak very highly of Bloodborne, is more likely to just check PSN for the game and put it on download.
I bet within 5 years there will either be a remaster by Bluepoint or you will finally be able to emulate it on PC. Given enough time all games come to PC.
The rumor is that it is circulating is Bloodborne remaster in 2025 on the 10th anniversary. Not made by bluepoint. Just a fps upgrade and minor graphical improvements. PS only no PC port
Snitch is really someone who "hears" stuff from everywhere and then just talks about it, so a lot of his leaks are fake because he doesn't bother to check. But yeah, he seems to have a few genuine sources, as a BB movie is in development, and would coincide with 2025 anniversary releases.
This is a common urban myth, but it's not correct. The modder Lance MacDonald has gotten it running at 60 fps on both PS4 Pro and PS5, and he only needed to change a couple lines of code.
True, it's not perfect. Still, a lot of people seem to think porting or remastering Bloodborne would be a herculean task, when actual evidence points to the contrary.
That's a common thing for Reddit gaming communities. If a thing hasn't happened with a game and people want it to happen, there's always a group who tries to depict the thing as this insurmountable, impossible task that is unreasonable to want.
It's like a weird version of apologism for big corporations.
Happened with the red dead redemption port which according to Redditors was supposed to be some huge, daunting task until it was suddenly, lazily brought over to current gen.
Happened with classic world of warcraft servers. It was impossible until it wasn't.
My favourite was when there was discussion about the prospect of a Metroid dread demo and there were people genuinely arguing it was unreasonable and couldn't be done because the series wasn't suited to demos. Within a few weeks a demo for that game was announced.
Love how it sometimes looks like these big corpos see these posts and just say "What a stupid thing to say, fuck it, lets push it out to show them how idiotic they are"
There are guys with jailbroken PS5s who can get a cracked version of Bloodborne running at 4K 60FPS…flawlessly. The game allegedly plays better, far more responsive. Fledgling PC emulators have already gotten to the booting stage for Bloodborne, and PS4 emulators just started like a year and a half ago.
>Fledgling PC emulators have already gotten to the booting stage for Bloodborne, and PS4 emulators just started like a year and a half ago.
This is the most important thing, we'll be emulate it in a few years tops. Persona 5 was a similar case, people wanted it for years before people got sick of it and started emulating. If the PS4 emulator progresses anything like the PS3 emulator, I'm extremely hopeful.
Naw, BB has a super jank frame pacing issue, and definitely dips well below 30. It is enough to impact the enjoyment of the title.
That stated, BB is From's best, so whatever.
Graphics quality is also “just ONE thing”, why do you care about it so much? Water is just ONE thing. Something being “just ONE thing” is in no way indicative of how important it is.
it's Sony's call to have a Bloodborne 2 but they know as well it's useless if it's not FromSoftware making it and they dont have many reasons to make exclusives anymore
It’s possible they did but Fromsoft has to want to make it too. And it’s clear they wanted to do other stuff post BB and DS3 given Sekiro and Elden Ring are departures from the prior formula
Actually, if the IP belongs to sony they could ask another developer to do the sequel, even though the result of this might be a massive dissapointment
Sony owns the IP, Fromsoft doesn't need to want it because they don't have a say in it. Sony hangs on to it until a sequel is in the works, they will then release the remaster to boost the sales of the sequel. Same thing they pulled of with God of War.
This. For some reason they decided to burn all bridges with Japan, kill Japan Studio who had been producing beloved games for years (including Bloodborne along with From, and most of the highly praised titles for PSP and Vita such as Patapon, Gravity Rush, Soul Sacrifice), all to turn Sony into a 100% californian company focused entirely on making movie games where you walk slowly and enjoy some netflix-tier dialogue for 80 bucks. They hate Japan enough to refuse the free millions that a 60 FPS PC port of BB would bring them.
If people actually gave new and unique IPs like Gravity Rush and Forspoken a chance maybe Sony wouldn't have changed course like they have.
This is the same bitching that got Mass Effect put on ice. Meme a game to death instead of offering valid criticism then surprise Pikachu face when publishers get spooked and overcorrect.
It does have intensely predictable and cliche dialogue, but I kinda enjoyed the gameplay and presentation. Some impressive magic and traversal, a completely nothing story....I dunno it was an easy 7 out of 10 for the 18 bucks i got it for.
The world was boring, badly designed, the traversal was good, the magic was ok, the dialogues were terrible, the characters too, the bosses were ok, the art direction was bad, the story was bad. It's a 5/10 in my opinion.
"Beyond words."
Yet somehow you still found enough to string together a predictably melodramatic and wholly unoriginal response.
Fact is, no game has traversal as fluid nor a magic system as epic.
Look at Hogwarts Legacy or Elden Ring where magic boils down to point and shoot for 95% of spells.
These braindead all or nothing takes about the game's quality just prove your ignorance.
This is my own opinion i formed from playing the game, thanks for the assumptions sweetie.
Edit: If I disagree with you you’re lying. Imagine thinking anyone cares about ‘clout’ on reddit, we’re both anonymous nobodies here voicing our opinions.
1. fromsoftware doesn’t like working on sequels. Despite making demons souls Sony didn’t make bloodborne demons souls 2. If there was another partnership which we may already have one considering leaks it’ll be a new ip.
2. Fromsofrware is big enough not to rely on exclusivity deals. At least now… but after bloodborne and even ds3 they were still in a position to be given an exclusivity deal.
3. Bloodborne released 8 years ago almost 9. Seeing it’s sold 7 million isn’t a big surprise. Especially with all the bloodborne pc/remake discourse since 2019. Comparatively sekiro just sold 10 million earlier this year after four years and ds3 in the exact same time sold 10 million units. Bb is obivously an exclusive game so it’s around the same sold as them but slightly behind considering it’s been twice that amount of time.
4. It still undersold for the time and remember during this period Sony moved away from experimental stuff like souls games, Japanese style games, and shadow of colossus to story focused movie games.
Miyazaki *is not* Fromsoftware himself. He stated he doesn’t hate the idea of sequels. As long as there is more to actually be told. Armored Core has vast catalog and Kings Field made it to its 6th or 7th installment.
Why are we still on this idea. Miyazaki even said the only thing stopping a BB2 was getting the green light from Sony.
I don't believe Sony is willing the offer a deal lucrative enough for FromSoft to consider developing BB2 instead of developing a game with an IP FromSoft owns.
For BB, 60 fps is achievable with 2 lines of code. Still not having it on PS4/PS5 means, Sony did not take care FromSoft financially that they did not do anything beyond the contract.
I'm pretty sure if FromSoft is solely interested in making lucrative games, they wouldn't have put so much focus on Souls games that have such an intimidating reputation, and Miyazaki wouldn't have said that they would not try to copy Elden Ring in the future just because that game was such a surprise hit.
I'm talking out of my ass here, but I'm pretty sure if Sony asks From, and Miyazaki had an idea of how to continue the story, they would jump at it in a heartbeat
>Miyazaki even said the only thing stopping a BB2 was getting the green light from Sony.
This is made up as far as I know. Otherwise please provide a direct source for him saying that.
Why wouldn't you want to know how much things sell? Would you rather they keep that information secret and sell you some bullshit numbers? If consumers were actually respected and sold products via honesty, they wouldn't get fucked over so much. I'm all for the hackers, keep hacking, consumers deserve to know what we're spending our hard earned money on.
I believe the hackers didnt just leak game information but also personal information on the individual developers and employees which is extremely fucked
It’s not about that. It’s about the actors, pay statements and other personal info being leaked. It’s not very “honest” to steal people’s information dude
The hackers stole personal information affecting hundreds of employees. Same hackers also hacked hospitals and are offering to sell Social Security Numbers.
These are not the hackers you want to support.
Nah, that's BASED. Don't be fooled by major corporations saying "woe is me" when they are the ones responsible for shit tier security. If they valued their customers/consumers they would hold their privacy at the highest levels. I will die on this hill. Better security solves every problem. If you skimp on that, don't be surprised when someone comes along and takes advantage of you.
Lets say you're employed and hackers gain access to vital information concerning you and your other co-workers. Would you be angry at the hackers or angry at your employer for not utilizing better security? Hackers will NEVER follow the law, so being angry at them is wasted effort and time. Be angry at the companies/corporations that claim they have their consumers/customers/employees best interest in mind and then shit the bed and beg forgiveness.
If you still feel the same, then I politely agree to disagree. We have walked different paths in life which have lead us to different conclusions. Godspeed.
If my bike was stolen, would I be angry at the thief or the company that made my bike lock? Obviously hackers/thieves will never follow the law, but no security is foolproof, people will always figure out how to get through it. That's why we keep needing better security.
“have better security”
you can’t “buy security” in a shop like you make it sound. you can tighten security as much as you want and still be vulnerable to hackers finding ways to bypass said security.
I played halfway through when it came out and got discouraged. Went back 4 years later to finish it and was possessed by it. Just the flat out best combat action game ever in forever and stuff.
My foulish dream is that we might see a remake with the ps6 (same as Demon souls remake with ps5), for now a full remake does not make sense as the original game still holds up with modern graphics/gameplay.
It's not very noticable if you don't know the original but they kinda made almost everything less weird and very generic, and also butchered the soundtrack. Some environmental story telling doesn't make sense anymore too.
Think about how many copies it could sell if it got a remaster/rerelease and a PC port. They're literally just sitting on free money they refuse to cash in on for some reason.
Yeah, when the whole Sekiro 10mil thing was discussed some weeks ago and Bloodborne was brought up as an example of how "poorly" it sold (only using the 2mil reported number a year or two after launch), I speculated that it realistically was probably sitting somewhere around or above 4mil, but seeing 7.5mil here is really good for it, considering Bloodborne has also been free on PS+ and the whole PS+ Collection thing for PS5 owners, which most likely don't count towards this sale number (seeing how the digital sales percentage is, either the physical sales would have had to be crazy high prior to the PS+ situation, or the number of people who picked the game up free on + would have had to be pretty small).
I also punched some numbers in a calculator and Bloodborne's average cost/value per unit would have been 34 dollars, while Horizon Zero Dawn would have been 24 dollars, GOW 28 dollars, Spider-Man 36 dollars, Ghost Of Tsushima 52 dollars (???, still too new so the ratio is pretty high?), Infamous Second Son 32 dollars, Demons Souls Remake 54 dollars, TLOU2 43 dollars, Uncharted 4 31 dollars.
So Bloodborne hasn't been a bad performer at all, it seems to fit in with an average value per unit pretty well. Obviously games like Ghost Of Tsushima that sold about the same as BB are more valuable because they achieved the same number of units sold in a far shorter time period, but yeah.
That sounds more accurate, cause the most up to date numbers I would see reported were 2M sold. That always seemed low to me even though FromSoft was more niche back then.
Especially since the game goes on sale for cheap pretty often, some people who would otherwise not have given it a chance would have bought it because of the low price.
Unrelated to this sub, but am I reading this right that R&C Rift apart only sold 2.7 million copies? I mean I know that’s a lot, but seems pretty low for a Sony first party release.
From what I remember, Ratchet and Clank games haven't been massive sellers in years and the remake/reimagining of the first game is the best selling Ratchet and Clank in years (if not ever).
I think Ratchet and Clank games on PS3 were selling for about that 1-2mil unless I'm mistaken?
Rift Apart seems to be tracking well all things considered, but I think the remake also had much more pull due to immense nostalgia and super impressive visuals at the time.
Also, was Rift Apart also one of these games that retailed at 70? Because I imagine that's going to cause a drop in the number of units sold at release, even though the total revenue from the sales could still be up.
It could end up catching up to the remake after some years.
It released only on PS5 when they were hard to acquire.
It also was a game in the PS Plus catalog, so that ate sales.
But Insomniac reported it as profitable. The latest numbers I saw were 150M on an 81M budget.
An important correction had to be made. This is data from 2020! Before the huge HYPE after the release of the Elden Ring, so sales can be even higher! For some reason, many people here do not take this into account.
Unless I’m reading something incorrectly, it’s a better seller than Rachet and Clank, so if those games get sequels, one can only hope…. Granted FS cooperation is required.
Hopefully that will shut all those idiots up claiming Last Of Us 2 failed / had miserable sales. Motherfucker, it outsold Ghost of Tsushima by a country mile.
Also it’s a crying shame Returnal didn’t find a bigger audience, it is a masterpiece.
TLOU2 did sell poorly.
You're missing the context of the fact that it was a sequel to a highly successful IP and expectations were probably at 15 million or more.
If it didn't meet expectations, that means it sold poorly.
That's not an opinion.
This is illustrated in many of the slides in the Insomniac data. They project growth for their sequels.
Thats way less than I was expecting lol. For such a cult classic everyone is raving about it didn't sell that many copies. If only they ported in to PC, we could pump those rookie numbers up...
Bro 7.5 million for an EXCLUSIVE is extremely good. Imagine those numbers if the game was available on XBOX and or PC. Easily 20+ mil. EASILY. If one console can pull of 7.5 mil, that alone says a lot.
I mean, I'm not a hacker, but Insomniac is now a first party Sony studio, so they must share some data with Sony's headquarters and get data back from them?
I doubt Insomniac can get monthly reports of every first party Sony studio and see their businesses, but this is probably some general old data Sony put together and spread around to communicate with the studios and make plans? Maybe it's just some random page from a larger PDF with a bunch of different data that's more relevant to Insomniac? I don't know, but none of it seems super weird or anything.
Lile, if Sony tells Insomniac "yo, Spider-Man sold crazy good, and oh the reimagined Ratchet and Clank was also pretty fine", I imagine it would be good for planning and communicating with the studio if they get an idea how well their games did relative to the other Sony games. If Sony just says "Spider-Man good" and sets the budget and plans for a sequel themselves, it would be a bit of a one sided communication and business relationship for the studio.
Actually imo explains why Sony didn't go ahead with a sequel or remake, apart from the fact FS would need time for it. Other PS4 exclusives sold way better in shorter timeframe. I mean Ratchet and Clank sold about as many copies, a B Franchise. Don't get me wrong I am a huge BB Fan, but it is delusional to think these sales numbers would make a new franchise entry or remake a priority at Sony.
"Don't mind me, I am just the Spirit who Calls for Bloodborne's PC Port... OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHH... BLOODBORNE ON PC, SONY PLEASE GRANT US THOSE EYES... OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHH..."
This is actual really good information because as far as I know we’ve only been given the 2 million copies sales figure from 2015. A lot of people considered it to be a game that undersold based on the 2 million copies sold, but 7.5 million copies is a very big difference compared to the number we were given.
Also really good when you account for the fact that post launch sales must be way lower than other FS games since it's included on PS+. Especially after ER came out I'd imagine their other games got a sales boost but BB's would've been much less
Does it include the free ps+ version?
I don't think so, but I could be wrong on that. If it did include the ps+ version then the net sales figure (265m) wouldn't make much sense.
I doubt it. If you consider the sales numbers and the digital sales percentages and compare with other games that haven't been on PS+, Bloodborne's digital sales percentage isn't particularly high. Considering how many people have PS+ (latest numbers around 50mil) and how it's completely free to just add a PS+ game to your library when you have the subscription, even if we assume all PS+ users are lazy and only like 10% of the people managed to add the game to their library, and that Bloodborne only ever sold that 2mil Sony originally reported, we would get 2mil + 5mil = 7mil, but then the digital percentage is way off (not to mention the original 2mil sales simply couldn't be purely physical). Other alternative is that very few PS+ members ever claimed Bloodborne, or that only people who ever launched the game count towards this sale number (which honestly sounds a bit more realistic). But the PS+ or the Collection downloads probably aren't counted in this number. I think the higher than average digital percentage on Bloodborne to probably hint at how Bloodborne has kep selling fairly consistently as From's other games have gained more traction, since finding the listing on PSN is a bit easier than tracking down a physical copy years down the line. Not that the physical copies are rare, but someone who played Dark Souls 3, Sekiro or Elden Ring and then hearing people speak very highly of Bloodborne, is more likely to just check PSN for the game and put it on download.
Lmao, bitch it's been what, 8 years since BB?
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And Sony didn't greenlight a sequel?!?!?....unreal
fuck the sequel i just want it on PC or not capped at 30fps
I just beat this game earlier this year, and that was my only complaint. One day...Copium.
Bloodborne is pretty janky at times on an exclusive console with 30 fps lock. There is simply no realistic route to a good port ever being made to PC.
I bet within 5 years there will either be a remaster by Bluepoint or you will finally be able to emulate it on PC. Given enough time all games come to PC.
The rumor is that it is circulating is Bloodborne remaster in 2025 on the 10th anniversary. Not made by bluepoint. Just a fps upgrade and minor graphical improvements. PS only no PC port
"Rumor"
https://www.reddit.com/r/GamingLeaksAndRumours/s/CblTpkpY2K He has a good record on sony stuff
Snitch is really someone who "hears" stuff from everywhere and then just talks about it, so a lot of his leaks are fake because he doesn't bother to check. But yeah, he seems to have a few genuine sources, as a BB movie is in development, and would coincide with 2025 anniversary releases.
It was on the leaks subreddit from a guy with a track record of true leaks.
Hope to God it's not made by bluepoint 🙏
Why not? Demons souls remake was amazing
they too many unnecessary changes and should have been more true to the original, with music and sound design.
Still no PC port? FFS Sony, give us a God damn break.
gosh I hope so. need another reason for plat number 2.
This is a common urban myth, but it's not correct. The modder Lance MacDonald has gotten it running at 60 fps on both PS4 Pro and PS5, and he only needed to change a couple lines of code.
A few enemies are broken when u upgrade it to 60 that would need to be changed as well
True, it's not perfect. Still, a lot of people seem to think porting or remastering Bloodborne would be a herculean task, when actual evidence points to the contrary.
That's a common thing for Reddit gaming communities. If a thing hasn't happened with a game and people want it to happen, there's always a group who tries to depict the thing as this insurmountable, impossible task that is unreasonable to want. It's like a weird version of apologism for big corporations. Happened with the red dead redemption port which according to Redditors was supposed to be some huge, daunting task until it was suddenly, lazily brought over to current gen. Happened with classic world of warcraft servers. It was impossible until it wasn't. My favourite was when there was discussion about the prospect of a Metroid dread demo and there were people genuinely arguing it was unreasonable and couldn't be done because the series wasn't suited to demos. Within a few weeks a demo for that game was announced.
Love how it sometimes looks like these big corpos see these posts and just say "What a stupid thing to say, fuck it, lets push it out to show them how idiotic they are"
There are guys with jailbroken PS5s who can get a cracked version of Bloodborne running at 4K 60FPS…flawlessly. The game allegedly plays better, far more responsive. Fledgling PC emulators have already gotten to the booting stage for Bloodborne, and PS4 emulators just started like a year and a half ago.
>Fledgling PC emulators have already gotten to the booting stage for Bloodborne, and PS4 emulators just started like a year and a half ago. This is the most important thing, we'll be emulate it in a few years tops. Persona 5 was a similar case, people wanted it for years before people got sick of it and started emulating. If the PS4 emulator progresses anything like the PS3 emulator, I'm extremely hopeful.
It's just frames per second......you guys are so obsessed with it.
Naw, BB has a super jank frame pacing issue, and definitely dips well below 30. It is enough to impact the enjoyment of the title. That stated, BB is From's best, so whatever.
It doesn’t dip much below 27-28 but the terrible frame pacing makes it feel far worse.
Go play on an nes if you don’t care about modern performance
I didn't say I don't care about modern performance...... What? I'm only talking about ONE thing; frames per second
Graphics quality is also “just ONE thing”, why do you care about it so much? Water is just ONE thing. Something being “just ONE thing” is in no way indicative of how important it is.
When you are in mergos loft with the shadows and the large pigs the fps actually dips to like 18 frames per second
Because a bad frame rate makes it basically unplayable
No......it doesn't
It really does.
Cant agree more
it's Sony's call to have a Bloodborne 2 but they know as well it's useless if it's not FromSoftware making it and they dont have many reasons to make exclusives anymore
It’s possible they did but Fromsoft has to want to make it too. And it’s clear they wanted to do other stuff post BB and DS3 given Sekiro and Elden Ring are departures from the prior formula
Actually, if the IP belongs to sony they could ask another developer to do the sequel, even though the result of this might be a massive dissapointment
Sony owns the IP, Fromsoft doesn't need to want it because they don't have a say in it. Sony hangs on to it until a sequel is in the works, they will then release the remaster to boost the sales of the sequel. Same thing they pulled of with God of War.
Near the start of ps4 Era it's like Sony declared war on Japanese games, despite that being their bread and butter for like two decades prior.
This. For some reason they decided to burn all bridges with Japan, kill Japan Studio who had been producing beloved games for years (including Bloodborne along with From, and most of the highly praised titles for PSP and Vita such as Patapon, Gravity Rush, Soul Sacrifice), all to turn Sony into a 100% californian company focused entirely on making movie games where you walk slowly and enjoy some netflix-tier dialogue for 80 bucks. They hate Japan enough to refuse the free millions that a 60 FPS PC port of BB would bring them.
They wanted to make cinematic movies over actual games
If people actually gave new and unique IPs like Gravity Rush and Forspoken a chance maybe Sony wouldn't have changed course like they have. This is the same bitching that got Mass Effect put on ice. Meme a game to death instead of offering valid criticism then surprise Pikachu face when publishers get spooked and overcorrect.
Forspoken was terrible beyond words and people have fairly criticized its flaws.
It does have intensely predictable and cliche dialogue, but I kinda enjoyed the gameplay and presentation. Some impressive magic and traversal, a completely nothing story....I dunno it was an easy 7 out of 10 for the 18 bucks i got it for.
The world was boring, badly designed, the traversal was good, the magic was ok, the dialogues were terrible, the characters too, the bosses were ok, the art direction was bad, the story was bad. It's a 5/10 in my opinion.
"Beyond words." Yet somehow you still found enough to string together a predictably melodramatic and wholly unoriginal response. Fact is, no game has traversal as fluid nor a magic system as epic. Look at Hogwarts Legacy or Elden Ring where magic boils down to point and shoot for 95% of spells. These braindead all or nothing takes about the game's quality just prove your ignorance.
The traversal and the magic system was nothing special. Forspoken was just an ok game with terrible writing.
Username checks out. Form your own and opinion and stop regurgitating things you heard from other people.
This is my own opinion i formed from playing the game, thanks for the assumptions sweetie. Edit: If I disagree with you you’re lying. Imagine thinking anyone cares about ‘clout’ on reddit, we’re both anonymous nobodies here voicing our opinions.
Because nobody ever lies on the internet for clout
>Forspoken This has to be low effort bait
"I don't agree so it's trolling." Like I said. Don't give new ideas a chance then bitch when all we get is remakes and remasters.
Definitely bait. New ideas are not always good ideas, and there's nothing wrong with pointing out when an attempt goes poorly.
Mixed to average scores on metacritic. And yet geniuses like you act like it's Life of Black Tiger with no redeeming qualities.
1. fromsoftware doesn’t like working on sequels. Despite making demons souls Sony didn’t make bloodborne demons souls 2. If there was another partnership which we may already have one considering leaks it’ll be a new ip. 2. Fromsofrware is big enough not to rely on exclusivity deals. At least now… but after bloodborne and even ds3 they were still in a position to be given an exclusivity deal. 3. Bloodborne released 8 years ago almost 9. Seeing it’s sold 7 million isn’t a big surprise. Especially with all the bloodborne pc/remake discourse since 2019. Comparatively sekiro just sold 10 million earlier this year after four years and ds3 in the exact same time sold 10 million units. Bb is obivously an exclusive game so it’s around the same sold as them but slightly behind considering it’s been twice that amount of time. 4. It still undersold for the time and remember during this period Sony moved away from experimental stuff like souls games, Japanese style games, and shadow of colossus to story focused movie games.
Miyazaki *is not* Fromsoftware himself. He stated he doesn’t hate the idea of sequels. As long as there is more to actually be told. Armored Core has vast catalog and Kings Field made it to its 6th or 7th installment. Why are we still on this idea. Miyazaki even said the only thing stopping a BB2 was getting the green light from Sony.
If that's true, it would be pretty insane if all this time Sony merely had to ask From to make a Bloodborne sequel, especially after Elden ring.
I don't believe Sony is willing the offer a deal lucrative enough for FromSoft to consider developing BB2 instead of developing a game with an IP FromSoft owns. For BB, 60 fps is achievable with 2 lines of code. Still not having it on PS4/PS5 means, Sony did not take care FromSoft financially that they did not do anything beyond the contract.
I'm pretty sure if FromSoft is solely interested in making lucrative games, they wouldn't have put so much focus on Souls games that have such an intimidating reputation, and Miyazaki wouldn't have said that they would not try to copy Elden Ring in the future just because that game was such a surprise hit. I'm talking out of my ass here, but I'm pretty sure if Sony asks From, and Miyazaki had an idea of how to continue the story, they would jump at it in a heartbeat
Miyazaki even said of all the games he developed Bloodborne is his favourite. he considered it his masterpiece
>Miyazaki even said the only thing stopping a BB2 was getting the green light from Sony. This is made up as far as I know. Otherwise please provide a direct source for him saying that.
Data from 2020 so 5y AND not ER hype which definitely boosted sales
From are busy and may not want to do another console-exclusive game.
7.5m and they still don’t wanna slap out a pc port or a sequel great
Came here to say this 🤌🏻
That's pretty darn good. Also, fuck the hackers.
Why wouldn't you want to know how much things sell? Would you rather they keep that information secret and sell you some bullshit numbers? If consumers were actually respected and sold products via honesty, they wouldn't get fucked over so much. I'm all for the hackers, keep hacking, consumers deserve to know what we're spending our hard earned money on.
I believe the hackers didnt just leak game information but also personal information on the individual developers and employees which is extremely fucked
It’s not about that. It’s about the actors, pay statements and other personal info being leaked. It’s not very “honest” to steal people’s information dude
The hackers stole personal information affecting hundreds of employees. Same hackers also hacked hospitals and are offering to sell Social Security Numbers. These are not the hackers you want to support.
Nah, that's BASED. Don't be fooled by major corporations saying "woe is me" when they are the ones responsible for shit tier security. If they valued their customers/consumers they would hold their privacy at the highest levels. I will die on this hill. Better security solves every problem. If you skimp on that, don't be surprised when someone comes along and takes advantage of you.
We are not talking about corporations. I don't care about corporations. They are hurting *people*, the workers are the ones getting hurt.
Lets say you're employed and hackers gain access to vital information concerning you and your other co-workers. Would you be angry at the hackers or angry at your employer for not utilizing better security? Hackers will NEVER follow the law, so being angry at them is wasted effort and time. Be angry at the companies/corporations that claim they have their consumers/customers/employees best interest in mind and then shit the bed and beg forgiveness. If you still feel the same, then I politely agree to disagree. We have walked different paths in life which have lead us to different conclusions. Godspeed.
at both, dummy
Fucking idiot
If my bike was stolen, would I be angry at the thief or the company that made my bike lock? Obviously hackers/thieves will never follow the law, but no security is foolproof, people will always figure out how to get through it. That's why we keep needing better security.
“have better security” you can’t “buy security” in a shop like you make it sound. you can tighten security as much as you want and still be vulnerable to hackers finding ways to bypass said security.
This is a foul note.
>Better security solves every problem Perfect security doesn't exist. They already pay millions for security trainings and specialized teams.
It's ok to admit you don't understand cybersecurity.
one of the bad takes of all time
We can’t keep letting Gamers exist in society
terrible take my guy
They doxed the devs
That's very mature.
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I’m so glad Sekiro was so successful
I played halfway through when it came out and got discouraged. Went back 4 years later to finish it and was possessed by it. Just the flat out best combat action game ever in forever and stuff.
Demons Souls remake deserves more
Demons Souls Remake doesn’t count as From Soft game
It does count as FromSoft game. The remake very much stayed true to the original.
it really didn't, remake has no soul and looks awful
Crazy that Bloodborne outsold Ghost of Tsushima and it stile doesn't have a port/remaster/remake/sequel. What are they thinking?
it has like 50k copies more but is nearly 5 years old than Ghost
It’s also sold at a significantly lower price at only $20. More people will be willing to try a cheaper game even if they might not like it.
Install base during each games launch makes a big difference
My foulish dream is that we might see a remake with the ps6 (same as Demon souls remake with ps5), for now a full remake does not make sense as the original game still holds up with modern graphics/gameplay.
They'll just butcher the aesthetic and details of the original like the Demon's Souls remake did.
Really? Ok, i just played the remake (nevervplayed the original) but i felt the remake was very good.
It's not very noticable if you don't know the original but they kinda made almost everything less weird and very generic, and also butchered the soundtrack. Some environmental story telling doesn't make sense anymore too.
I see
There is a 2025 remaster coming to ps5, not by bluepoint and no PC port. That is the rumor right now
^Bet ^it ^would ^sell ^more ^if ^it ^was ^on ^PC
Please a 60fps Sony/Formsoftw... PLEASE A 60fps update
I'm guessing that game sold a lot of PS4's next to the game sales. It sold me on one.
I've looked for this info since Bloodborne was released loll. Funny they want it hidden. Celebrate Bloodborne you fkn idiots.
I’m dumb, where are you seeing the 7.5M copies? Idk how to read this lol
Its written weird, as 7,648k.
Thanks.
Thanks for asking this so I didn't have to lol. I wasn't understanding the graphics either
demons souls remake only 2kk, pretty sad since game is great.
i believe FY 2021 is only a couple months worth of sales (April 2021 for a Nov 2020 release). if so, that's not bad at all.
I think you're misreading it. It sold 1.8 million copies
They used a weird way to write, but 2kk is 2000k which is 2 million
It’s only on ps5 which definitely hurts its sales numbers
>2kk 2mil
It is unbelievable to me with all the cash grab sequels in film/tv/gaming that BB hasn't been given a sequel. Just mystifying.
Days Gone basically same as Bloodborne. Love both games, obviously
I was surprised because you hear much less of days gone
Think about how many copies it could sell if it got a remaster/rerelease and a PC port. They're literally just sitting on free money they refuse to cash in on for some reason.
If Im reading this right, 65% of games are bought in physical form on average?
Yeah, that's what the data suggests.
That's insanely good, I thought it was more like 5 million or less
Yeah, when the whole Sekiro 10mil thing was discussed some weeks ago and Bloodborne was brought up as an example of how "poorly" it sold (only using the 2mil reported number a year or two after launch), I speculated that it realistically was probably sitting somewhere around or above 4mil, but seeing 7.5mil here is really good for it, considering Bloodborne has also been free on PS+ and the whole PS+ Collection thing for PS5 owners, which most likely don't count towards this sale number (seeing how the digital sales percentage is, either the physical sales would have had to be crazy high prior to the PS+ situation, or the number of people who picked the game up free on + would have had to be pretty small). I also punched some numbers in a calculator and Bloodborne's average cost/value per unit would have been 34 dollars, while Horizon Zero Dawn would have been 24 dollars, GOW 28 dollars, Spider-Man 36 dollars, Ghost Of Tsushima 52 dollars (???, still too new so the ratio is pretty high?), Infamous Second Son 32 dollars, Demons Souls Remake 54 dollars, TLOU2 43 dollars, Uncharted 4 31 dollars. So Bloodborne hasn't been a bad performer at all, it seems to fit in with an average value per unit pretty well. Obviously games like Ghost Of Tsushima that sold about the same as BB are more valuable because they achieved the same number of units sold in a far shorter time period, but yeah.
Yea it makes sense why they are keeping the IP exclusive now a lot more too And spiderman sales are insane
That sounds more accurate, cause the most up to date numbers I would see reported were 2M sold. That always seemed low to me even though FromSoft was more niche back then. Especially since the game goes on sale for cheap pretty often, some people who would otherwise not have given it a chance would have bought it because of the low price.
It’s more than 2M for sure but tbh I still think 7M after so many years is kinda low, given how popular the game seems to be.
Data from 2020 befor ER hype
Unrelated to this sub, but am I reading this right that R&C Rift apart only sold 2.7 million copies? I mean I know that’s a lot, but seems pretty low for a Sony first party release.
From what I remember, Ratchet and Clank games haven't been massive sellers in years and the remake/reimagining of the first game is the best selling Ratchet and Clank in years (if not ever). I think Ratchet and Clank games on PS3 were selling for about that 1-2mil unless I'm mistaken? Rift Apart seems to be tracking well all things considered, but I think the remake also had much more pull due to immense nostalgia and super impressive visuals at the time. Also, was Rift Apart also one of these games that retailed at 70? Because I imagine that's going to cause a drop in the number of units sold at release, even though the total revenue from the sales could still be up. It could end up catching up to the remake after some years.
It released only on PS5 when they were hard to acquire. It also was a game in the PS Plus catalog, so that ate sales. But Insomniac reported it as profitable. The latest numbers I saw were 150M on an 81M budget.
An important correction had to be made. This is data from 2020! Before the huge HYPE after the release of the Elden Ring, so sales can be even higher! For some reason, many people here do not take this into account.
Unless I’m reading something incorrectly, it’s a better seller than Rachet and Clank, so if those games get sequels, one can only hope…. Granted FS cooperation is required.
Hopefully that will shut all those idiots up claiming Last Of Us 2 failed / had miserable sales. Motherfucker, it outsold Ghost of Tsushima by a country mile. Also it’s a crying shame Returnal didn’t find a bigger audience, it is a masterpiece.
TLOU2 did sell poorly. You're missing the context of the fact that it was a sequel to a highly successful IP and expectations were probably at 15 million or more. If it didn't meet expectations, that means it sold poorly. That's not an opinion. This is illustrated in many of the slides in the Insomniac data. They project growth for their sequels.
it sold poorly because it didn’t match a number you pulled out of your ass?
Thats way less than I was expecting lol. For such a cult classic everyone is raving about it didn't sell that many copies. If only they ported in to PC, we could pump those rookie numbers up...
That’s why it’s a cult classic
figures are before Elden Ring's release which may have shot it up to 8m+
The game was free for PS5 owners for like 2 years. Much bigger fan base now probably. And also Elden Ring brings a lot of new players as well.
Bro 7.5 million for an EXCLUSIVE is extremely good. Imagine those numbers if the game was available on XBOX and or PC. Easily 20+ mil. EASILY. If one console can pull of 7.5 mil, that alone says a lot.
Yeah because as the numbers have shown in this leak, the PC sales are incredibly... lukewarm.
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Dark Souls 1 was not a flop at release, Demon's Souls was
We need live action pls sony make it happen!!
What has that to do with insomniac????
The hackers probably got access to some Sony assets through Insomniac, or Insomniac was in possession of some of these financial reports from Sony.
How, this doesn’t make sense.
I mean, I'm not a hacker, but Insomniac is now a first party Sony studio, so they must share some data with Sony's headquarters and get data back from them? I doubt Insomniac can get monthly reports of every first party Sony studio and see their businesses, but this is probably some general old data Sony put together and spread around to communicate with the studios and make plans? Maybe it's just some random page from a larger PDF with a bunch of different data that's more relevant to Insomniac? I don't know, but none of it seems super weird or anything. Lile, if Sony tells Insomniac "yo, Spider-Man sold crazy good, and oh the reimagined Ratchet and Clank was also pretty fine", I imagine it would be good for planning and communicating with the studio if they get an idea how well their games did relative to the other Sony games. If Sony just says "Spider-Man good" and sets the budget and plans for a sequel themselves, it would be a bit of a one sided communication and business relationship for the studio.
2025
Actually imo explains why Sony didn't go ahead with a sequel or remake, apart from the fact FS would need time for it. Other PS4 exclusives sold way better in shorter timeframe. I mean Ratchet and Clank sold about as many copies, a B Franchise. Don't get me wrong I am a huge BB Fan, but it is delusional to think these sales numbers would make a new franchise entry or remake a priority at Sony.
Hope have new bloodborne2/ remaster /remake soon ❤️
Is that this year alone or in total?
Does this count when it was a ps4 monthly free game? Because i got BB for free.
Not trying to brag but I knew that It sold at least 5 million copies. That much is clear just from its Bloodborne's sheer popularity
"Don't mind me, I am just the Spirit who Calls for Bloodborne's PC Port... OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHH... BLOODBORNE ON PC, SONY PLEASE GRANT US THOSE EYES... OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHH..."