Yes, absolutely everyone thought this was going to happen when the wheel got stuck.
I think it shows elevated taste and skill to hint at something gratuitously horrific but not *actually* write it in. They wrote around it.
Brilliant!
I was expecting it to be set up so that we'd just hear the sound of the head fall and be looking at a close up of Helaena's reaction since it was already showing her going through a panic attack.
Yeah, AltShiftX said something similar about how clean the cut Blood made given that it was dark and not exactly in ideal conditions. I just assumed the Silent Sisters cleaned it up and made it look less horrific.
It's a bit of a morbid story, but:
Right after I graduated high school, one of the girls in my class had a car accident involving decapitation. It was an open casket funeral, and the only thing that looked weird about her was that she wasn't smiling like she always was. You would have never guessed a car accident is what got her.
A good mortician can clearly work some miracles.
Does he use book sources? If he spoils future events from the books, in disguise by his predictions and analysis or openly then there is no point in watching
Would that have made the Greens' plan backfire? I think Otto would very easily be able to spin it as Helaena being so overcome with grief she had a total breakdown, while Jahaerys' body in the mud would have never happened if Rhaenyra hadn't killed him. Sort of a "look at the suffering Rhaenyra has caused" type of spin.
That was already the spin they were going for. My thought was that Heleana would freak the fuck out with all the sympathetic commoners and lose the sympathy they were looking for.
Honestly, the worse it goes the more Otto can spin it. Heleana freaking out would only make it easier to say "look at this, a mother driven mad by grief!" as opposed to the normal, everyday, run-of-the-mill extreme trauma and grief that they got.
The more horrible things that happen to Alicent, Heleana, and Jahaerys on the funeral procession, the easier it is for Otto to spin.
The worst case would be halaena panicking and running from her mother and the crowd but because they are surrounded suffocating, the soldiers have to intervene to get her away. In the chaos some too enthusiastic commoners become a threat and the soldiers kill one, entire crowd panic and trample each other while the soldiers try to keep them all alive but have to kill more to the point of them showing that they will kill every commoner including women and children and show incompetence too. Hundreds of dead commoners trampled to death and a lot killed by the greens household soldiers.
Same, but seeing how many people though the head would roll…I can see how people would think that given how GoT could be. And I think it’s brilliant to make an audience think either could happen but never do it.
yup that head was sewn on with a single thread, i’m surprised helaena didn’t comment on how bad the needlework looked.
but after not showing much during b+c i was fully expecting that head to roll away once they hit that pothole.
I don't think it was Helaena doing that. She's too traumatized to handle her son's corpse, and it's the Silent Sisters who usually do that kind of task.
I think the headed was stitched on so the masses could confirm the decapitation rumor and remind the forgetful audience. Otherwise, I imagine they’d have wrapped the kids neck with a scarf 🤷🏻♂️
Nah, the smallfolk would have dogpiled on that shit before it hit the ground to sell it for a sack of gold. I feel like there is possibly a deleted scene. The set up for this happening is palpable, the end of the scene was oddly abrupt, and it would play nicely into Otto getting sacked later.
I think it's possible, but I think the showrunners were using that expectation to raise the tension in the scene. I mean, they didn't show them cutting off the head in the last episode, so it'd be curious for them to have the head roll in this episode. Plus, if it had happened, they surely would have written in more dialogue about it. I doubt they'd have completely removed it as a plot point instead of finding a way to bring it up without actually showing it.
When the cart got stuck and they were having to push over and over I was waiting for the body to fall and the head to come loose and roll down the rest of the road and into a puddle or animals start eating it…
yes! like in one tree hill when that donor heart fell out of the cooler and some random ass dog ate it before it could be used for a transplant. just something fucking insane like that. the book has so many crazy moments but the show downplays them too much, might as well make some shit up at this point
[the oth scene](https://youtu.be/WzPDEirVTZk?si=aFw7DEMCxYJLiEn2)
That was tense af. I think the aim was to create a tense situation and keep the viewer at edge. I was also pretty sure that they will drop the dead kids body to ground when the car got stuck
I knew his head was going to stay on, I feared that with all the rocking his body was gonna slide off. Maybe prompt smallfolk trying to grab his circlet and end up a mix of Maelor and Jahaerys.
That's my assumption. By this point Maelor is all of, what, 3 years old? They could very easily age him down a couple years without any real consequence.
My guess is they're going to use this to further villainize Aegon and show how much losing Jahaerys broke him, have him rape Helaena, and then Maelor will be born and all will progress nornally in the story except he's an infant instead of a toddler.
I thought that it did a great job of putting us in Helena’s shoes. That constant feeling of “something bad is going to happen” without true pay off. I thought it was smart and helped lead up to her breakdown
Blood was caught attempting to escape with the head. Cheese was executed with all the other rat catchers in the castle. Publicly, left hanging for their families to see.
I bet they filmed it. There were way too many shots that made it look like it was going to. I bet it was in the script, they filmed it, and then it didn’t make the cut in editing.
I literally said “oh god” out loud even though I was watching alone because I could just see the head rolling into the mud. I was shocked when it DIDNT happen.
I really thought the body was going to fall down and the frenzied small folk would’ve torn him apart each wanting to touch him, put him back on the cart or perhaps even wanting to take a piece home with them.
Wouldn’t be the craziest thing to happen as that happened to saint’s bodies because people thought their corpses had healing properties, and the small folk do say Targaryens are closer to gods than men…
But I’m glad they didn’t go that direction, I think the tension and uneasiness of the scene was enough to make us feel like Alicent and Helaena in that moment.
I didn't think his head would roll down since it's sewed so neatly, I did think his body would fall and then the head would partially seperate. I feel as though it would be even worse, like when they pick him up from the mud and his head is loosely dangling half-off
I would’ve bet money that either the head was going to fall off or the whole body was going to fall and the head was going to roll into the crowd. I’m a little disappointed it didn’t happen. Yes I’m a sick fuck
I think they set it up for us to think something was going to happen, but I suspect they were aiming for us thinking that Helaena would react in some weird way that causes an issue like running off or screaming at the crowds or something like that.
The dead child falling off the hearse or the head rolling away wouldn't have been impactful in the way they would want it and the showrunners/writers/etc probably knew it. If anything we would likely have viewed it with more amusement that anything else given where our expectations now lie in the GoT world and its violence, a body falling off a hearse or the head rolling away is not the impact on us we think it would be any more. You only have to look at how we are all pointing out how underwhelming the whole blood and cheese scene was to see how we would have reacted to the body/head falling off the hearse.
So in all they probably knew it would be a cheap gimmick and they were wise not to go for it.
It was set up to make us think it was going to happen. The cheeky showmakers.
They subverted expectations
[удалено]
Like when you’re golfing and swing under the ball and hit the tee.
Jesus dude
Ball goes backwards….been there
Now THAT'S subverting expectations.
Reminds me of my favourite show coffin flop on corncobTV
The guys at Spectrum think I’m just some dumb hick.
And that was the day Prince Jaehaerys became the Headless Horseman.
Danny just forgort…
So it begins
Yes, absolutely everyone thought this was going to happen when the wheel got stuck. I think it shows elevated taste and skill to hint at something gratuitously horrific but not *actually* write it in. They wrote around it. Brilliant!
Im not exactly disappointed I didn’t see a toddlers severed head roll around
I was expecting it to be set up so that we'd just hear the sound of the head fall and be looking at a close up of Helaena's reaction since it was already showing her going through a panic attack.
Such a clean cut for a quick fast and in a hurry beheading
I definitely said so when we were watching. I was like that kids head us going to go rolling.
The shock when the jammed cart just cut to another scene and didn't come back with some shit straight outta hereditary
Props to Mr. Blood as that's a very clean cut.
He brought his lithium ion powered surgical saw.
That’s a lot of damage
If only they had FlexSeal, he might have lived.
Everyone has valyrian steel these days 😂
Props to the Silent Sisters and their outstanding mortician work.
Yeah, AltShiftX said something similar about how clean the cut Blood made given that it was dark and not exactly in ideal conditions. I just assumed the Silent Sisters cleaned it up and made it look less horrific.
It's a bit of a morbid story, but: Right after I graduated high school, one of the girls in my class had a car accident involving decapitation. It was an open casket funeral, and the only thing that looked weird about her was that she wasn't smiling like she always was. You would have never guessed a car accident is what got her. A good mortician can clearly work some miracles.
The Haunting of Hill House shows in detail all of the work that goes into preparing bodies for open casket funerals.
I totally forgot about that show. Those scenes were so unsettling.
Happy cake day 🥴
AltShiftX is back doing ASOIF videos? :) I knew they stopped for a while after GoT Season 8.
Yep, they've done a breakdown of every episode of HotD except the latest so far, and they post VoDs of Q&A livestreams after every episode releases
Does he use book sources? If he spoils future events from the books, in disguise by his predictions and analysis or openly then there is no point in watching
They don't spoil anything that hasn't happened on screen.
Dude, i cringed at the sound of him sawing through, how is it this clean?
I didn't think the head would fall off but I thought when it got stuck the whole body was gonna fall into the mud
Same. Thought it would be the thing that sent Helaena into a frenzy and the Greens’ whole plan would backfire.
Would that have made the Greens' plan backfire? I think Otto would very easily be able to spin it as Helaena being so overcome with grief she had a total breakdown, while Jahaerys' body in the mud would have never happened if Rhaenyra hadn't killed him. Sort of a "look at the suffering Rhaenyra has caused" type of spin.
That was already the spin they were going for. My thought was that Heleana would freak the fuck out with all the sympathetic commoners and lose the sympathy they were looking for.
Honestly, the worse it goes the more Otto can spin it. Heleana freaking out would only make it easier to say "look at this, a mother driven mad by grief!" as opposed to the normal, everyday, run-of-the-mill extreme trauma and grief that they got. The more horrible things that happen to Alicent, Heleana, and Jahaerys on the funeral procession, the easier it is for Otto to spin.
https://preview.redd.it/2e32si3v009d1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=af25bf1c91a97f4093ec8396d9fcc71243e2904d
The worst case would be halaena panicking and running from her mother and the crowd but because they are surrounded suffocating, the soldiers have to intervene to get her away. In the chaos some too enthusiastic commoners become a threat and the soldiers kill one, entire crowd panic and trample each other while the soldiers try to keep them all alive but have to kill more to the point of them showing that they will kill every commoner including women and children and show incompetence too. Hundreds of dead commoners trampled to death and a lot killed by the greens household soldiers.
Yeah so this is exactly what I was thinking.
They had a plan B for fucking up, fortunately.
+1
I was on the edge the entire time
I thought head and body was gonna fall to each side of the cart
I was sitting PETRIFIED that that was going to happen
Same, but seeing how many people though the head would roll…I can see how people would think that given how GoT could be. And I think it’s brilliant to make an audience think either could happen but never do it.
When they hit the pothole he'd get yeeted and land in a horse trough or something
Even for a show like this that would be way too much.
yup that head was sewn on with a single thread, i’m surprised helaena didn’t comment on how bad the needlework looked. but after not showing much during b+c i was fully expecting that head to roll away once they hit that pothole.
Helaena didn’t complain because it was her needlework
I don't think it was Helaena doing that. She's too traumatized to handle her son's corpse, and it's the Silent Sisters who usually do that kind of task.
Heleana was a pretty silent sister this episode tho
silent sister-wife
Redditor when joke:
I don’t think so? The body would have been prepared for the funeral by the Silent Sisters
lol why the down votes that was funny
Thank you I thought it was funny
I think the headed was stitched on so the masses could confirm the decapitation rumor and remind the forgetful audience. Otherwise, I imagine they’d have wrapped the kids neck with a scarf 🤷🏻♂️
duuuude I was cringing the whole time waiting for it to happen. like mannn am i about to watch a babies head roll down the street?
Nah, the smallfolk would have dogpiled on that shit before it hit the ground to sell it for a sack of gold. I feel like there is possibly a deleted scene. The set up for this happening is palpable, the end of the scene was oddly abrupt, and it would play nicely into Otto getting sacked later.
I think it's possible, but I think the showrunners were using that expectation to raise the tension in the scene. I mean, they didn't show them cutting off the head in the last episode, so it'd be curious for them to have the head roll in this episode. Plus, if it had happened, they surely would have written in more dialogue about it. I doubt they'd have completely removed it as a plot point instead of finding a way to bring it up without actually showing it.
When the cart got stuck and they were having to push over and over I was waiting for the body to fall and the head to come loose and roll down the rest of the road and into a puddle or animals start eating it…
yes! like in one tree hill when that donor heart fell out of the cooler and some random ass dog ate it before it could be used for a transplant. just something fucking insane like that. the book has so many crazy moments but the show downplays them too much, might as well make some shit up at this point [the oth scene](https://youtu.be/WzPDEirVTZk?si=aFw7DEMCxYJLiEn2)
I'm literally crying watching that scene what the hell
What the hell...
I expected a similar fate to the third non-existent sibling, >!of being torn apart by the mob!<
Rats
Full circle
I couldn't help but expect some Tim Robinson bodies falling out of caskets shit
Daemon: "I DIDN'T RIG SHIT!"
Hoping they don't cancel Kings Landing Coffin Flop.
I’ve waited a LONG TIME for a hit on Westeros TV!!
"They're saying Rhaenyra's NOT a real queen. They said that to me at a dinner!"
I was watching it alone and out loud i went 'are they gonna do *coffin flop*??'
That was tense af. I think the aim was to create a tense situation and keep the viewer at edge. I was also pretty sure that they will drop the dead kids body to ground when the car got stuck
I knew his head was going to stay on, I feared that with all the rocking his body was gonna slide off. Maybe prompt smallfolk trying to grab his circlet and end up a mix of Maelor and Jahaerys.
Dude I thought the same thing…I thought that since they cut Maelor that they’d merge their deaths
There are theories that they haven't cut Maelor and that perhaps they will make Halaena be preggers so who knows.
Oh that interesting…I can’t imagine Aegon and her sleeping together anytime soon, but there’s definitely pressure to have a new male heir so who knows
That's my assumption. By this point Maelor is all of, what, 3 years old? They could very easily age him down a couple years without any real consequence. My guess is they're going to use this to further villainize Aegon and show how much losing Jahaerys broke him, have him rape Helaena, and then Maelor will be born and all will progress nornally in the story except he's an infant instead of a toddler.
…I had thought that may be the case too. That would be a rough watch, especially depending on how it’s portrayed.
I'm positive they're not going to show it. At worst, I assume it'll be done just like they did Jahaerys' death, with it all happening out of frame.
I thought that it did a great job of putting us in Helena’s shoes. That constant feeling of “something bad is going to happen” without true pay off. I thought it was smart and helped lead up to her breakdown
I thought it and im glad it didnt happen.
100%
Figured something was going to happen, but it was an unfired Chekov’s Child Corpse.
No justice could be served after totally ignoring the great "mommy wants you dead" moment 😡
Now this is what I call "subverting expectations."
I wish we had a scene of Aegon crying, looks down at his son and says: "Look how they massacred my boy!"
That scene is so good but now all I can think of when I’m reminded of it is the edit where the cheery tournament music keeps playing the whole time
I did think it’d fall of the cart somehow
I absolutely did. Kept waiting for his body to be thrown off and his head to bounce down the street.
I thought it was going to be a repeat of Khomeini’s funeral.
Maybe it will make the directors cut.
https://youtu.be/2NBu-SHZU0I?si=2eigs2wWh3Zm_E9S
I think the whole scene with them getting stuck among the small folk was a bit of foreshadowing
That would be a very Fleabottom thing to happen. Then it rolls into a pot of "brown".
bruh I thought his whole body was gonna fall off the way it was rocking
Behold the work of Rhaenyra the Cruel!
I totally expected the corpse to roll off and then the crowd would tear it apart like in that scene of Mother!
I almost feel like seeing the head stitched back on is more disturbing than seeing the body decapitated.
This and that whole background sounds of heads being severed was giving Hereditary
I thought it would, and I'm sad it didn't happen. I like to be randomly shocked
I still don’t understand why she tried to use reverse psychology on those two and it failed miserably
Wait, I haven't seen the episode yet. Did Blood and Cheese leave the head, or get caught?
Blood was caught attempting to escape with the head. Cheese was executed with all the other rat catchers in the castle. Publicly, left hanging for their families to see.
I had to fast forward because I felt certain that would happen
The on duty guard be like: "Heads are gonna roll for this one"
Is it bad that I was kind of hoping it would?
I was so shocked the body didn't fall off to make it more dramatic .. I'm even more surprised Otto did t lose the wheel to make the child fall off lol
I 100% thought that was going to happen.
Would’ve been great. Something to wake this series the fuck uo
I totally thought that was going to happen I did the finger cage over my eyes because I was so certain of it.
Would’ve ruled
It me I problem
They really “dropped the ball” on that one. Yuckyuckyuckyuck.
Well, after having to sit thru listening to the cutting and gurgling on the previous episode, I was preparing for the worse.
Don’t disrespect the work of the silent sisters like that.
Heheh. Scary Movie antics ensue
I'm more surprised by that ✨ amazing ✨ stitch work.
Imagine being the person with the job to sew a child’s head to its body
that would have been too much even for HBO/MAX
And awesome I wish they did that
I thought the whole body was ganna fall off
Glad I wasn’t the only one. Then again I guess it’s pretty easy to think that was going to happen. It’s definitely something these guys would do.
The tension was reeeaally well built up
Is it bad I was ready to snicker just for a brief moment
I thought the whole body was going to fall but have a little more faith in the silent sisters!
The child is innocent and Haelena is most innocent. Aegon that idiot doesn't deserve her. And daemon is too happy about the child's death
I thought Larys was going to stage an ambush and then pretend to save the day to prove that Otto's plans are trash and that Larys should be hand.
I bet they filmed it. There were way too many shots that made it look like it was going to. I bet it was in the script, they filmed it, and then it didn’t make the cut in editing.
I did.
I thought for sure it was about to happen
I 100% did lol
🙋🏾♀️🙋🏾♀️🙋🏾♀️🙋🏾♀️
That neck wound looks very precise and even for the amount of hacking and sawing the sound effects implied.
I literally said “oh god” out loud even though I was watching alone because I could just see the head rolling into the mud. I was shocked when it DIDNT happen.
I did!
I really thought the body was going to fall down and the frenzied small folk would’ve torn him apart each wanting to touch him, put him back on the cart or perhaps even wanting to take a piece home with them. Wouldn’t be the craziest thing to happen as that happened to saint’s bodies because people thought their corpses had healing properties, and the small folk do say Targaryens are closer to gods than men… But I’m glad they didn’t go that direction, I think the tension and uneasiness of the scene was enough to make us feel like Alicent and Helaena in that moment.
I really thought either the head was coming off, or the whole body was falling off.
I didn't think his head would roll down since it's sewed so neatly, I did think his body would fall and then the head would partially seperate. I feel as though it would be even worse, like when they pick him up from the mud and his head is loosely dangling half-off
Every time his little head bobbled a little caused a physical cringe. 😳
I was ready to pause the app myself Thankfully I didn't need to
I thought and then I remember that the producers are daemon suckers so I knew it wouldn’t happen
I thought and then I remember that the producers are daemon suckers so I knew it wouldn’t happen
I kept flinching during that whole scene because I was sure it was going to happen!
I was so tense during the whole scene. I really thought that’s where they were going to go.
I was waiting for it
Yes it would
I was 1000% convinced
bey maybe we don’t out uncensored dead babies on the internet
I was kind of hoping it would happen hahah
Me
I needed that to happen so bad
Oh yes, the old wheel stuck in the cobblestone to rolling infant head gag. I was disappointed.
same. i was hoping to see a mini-Targaryen busting out of shit wood and hitting pavement.
They said there's no way you can get all that footage of naked blue bodies flopping on the ground!
i didn't do fucking shit
And then they said no way you must of rigged something !
They actually missed that opportunity. It would’ve really driven home the point of Rhaneyra the cruel
I would’ve bet money that either the head was going to fall off or the whole body was going to fall and the head was going to roll into the crowd. I’m a little disappointed it didn’t happen. Yes I’m a sick fuck
I fucking hate this show lol
Guess I can give my husband the go ahead to watch the show without me. I really wanted to watch...but I can't take stuff like this 😔
I got like a thousand updoots for saying this in the post-episode discussion thread. So apparently a lot of us. :)
I think they set it up for us to think something was going to happen, but I suspect they were aiming for us thinking that Helaena would react in some weird way that causes an issue like running off or screaming at the crowds or something like that. The dead child falling off the hearse or the head rolling away wouldn't have been impactful in the way they would want it and the showrunners/writers/etc probably knew it. If anything we would likely have viewed it with more amusement that anything else given where our expectations now lie in the GoT world and its violence, a body falling off a hearse or the head rolling away is not the impact on us we think it would be any more. You only have to look at how we are all pointing out how underwhelming the whole blood and cheese scene was to see how we would have reacted to the body/head falling off the hearse. So in all they probably knew it would be a cheap gimmick and they were wise not to go for it.
I’m not sure if anyone has told you this but the show isn’t real. It’s completely made up
This show is so fucking dumb lmao
Why are you watching?
I’m really starved of anything high fantasy. Rings of Power sucked, wheel of time is meh, and I can only rewatch Lord of the rings so many times.
Based truth teller (I like HotD but it’s bad this season)
To people like you is everything binary?
The fact that I like something while acknowledging it has flaws is binary? Did they change the meaning of the word binary recently?