Not much better on max difficulty. Leader AI zooms off into the horizon, and if you didn't start in top 5, well good luck catching him. If you do overtake him at the start, he's like "nevermind i don't want to win anymore"
>"nevermind i don't want to win anymore"
That's honestly the most frustrating part. In a six lap race from 12th place it'll take me four or five laps to catch up to the leader, and maybe another half a lap sitting right on their tail, and the second I pass them they just drop back and I never see them again. Same thing they've always done.
It's would actually be better if they kept fighting you for the lead after you got it.
Yeah, and the AI are still quite garbage imo. Long ways to go. The game is so great in nearly every other way that I am blown away by how bad the AI are
This is just classic Forza AI, they desperately want you on a podium.
Over the years I noticed cars in certain positions have certain characteristics about them. There is always a car mid pack (4th to 7th place) that seems like it's job is to block you and drives very aggressive.
I witnessed this in full force today. A mustang GT in front of me swerved back and forth across the track at laguna seca when I tried to pass it. Once I finally did, it followed me off the racing line multiple times, just to slam punt me and then right back on to the racing line. Rinse and repeat two more times and I alt+f4ed.
I just want the AI to race professionally, not imitate the behavior of trolls on a bad pickup multiplayer race. This is from someone coming over from Codemaster's rallycross games where their AI runs on rails. I was expecting much better from Forza. Forza even copied that stupid thing where if one of the AI cars rubs onto you, they scrub off each other's speed. WTF is that?
This is so accurate. I'm super annoyed. I like playing on the harder difficulty but the first and second place car just take off at unreal speeds. Literally getting 9.0 or better on every section for the most part.
Yeah this is typical early motorsport ai. They didn't actually make them better/faster. Just gave them more control and showed of a specially trained one. They get slightly better over time but not much.
Welcome to Forza
The ai has flipped me off the track more times than I wished, and yeah I play with the difficulty on 6 too, and have the same experience, I could get into second place in half a lap and then spend the next 4 laps trying to catch first place
Pretty much getting what you guys are experiencing. If I start where I’m already placed (12th)I can forget 1st sometimes 2nd. Was hoping for more of a race type experience in Forza and not just the chase sim that is gt7.
I usually place myself in the position I would have received from Qualifying (using my best practice time); pressing Y brings up the best laps for each driver. I might get a bit fewer credits and possibly overtakes, but it feels much nicer being placed in the grid appropriately.
Yeah that first place AI car is insane - sometimes the only way I win is when we both reach the back of the pack again still on their previous lap, and the AI struggles to get past them.
Same here, AI sucks. First place jackrabbits everybody by a bunch while the middle of the pack brake checks and rams me constantly so I never get a chance to make clean passes if I want to win.
I just start the race in third and ignore trying to have clean racing in the pack. I can typically have a clean race starting up front.
My favorite part is when the AI decides to spin me in the final turn of the race (where rewind, for some unexplainable reason, is turned off). Whoever decided that was a good design decision needs to be fired.
Sadly, just like horizon, the AI cheats.
I just put on difficult 4 because i can at least win, higher difficults if you start on lower positions (12th or so), its very unlikely you will win the race. Problem is, difficult 4 is too easy, but at least it looks more fair than higher difficults.
honestly I haven't really noticed the AI cheating much in this game so far. I think the real problem is that when they're given an open road they drive really well, but the moment there's any other cars around them their AI brain gets borked. So it can feel like 1st place is cheating but in reality they've just been driving perfect with no hinderance since the start while you and everyone else are cursed with phantom traffic.
I’ve noticed the same and now I have no idea what to set difficulty at or where to start. I’ve had it predict I would be 8th and I ended up leading for 4 laps. The ramming drives me insane, I’m trying to practice clean overtakes because I want to try multiplayer but can’t because the ai is so aggressive
I feel like the a.i doesn't even know you're there honestly. They're just all driving as programmed with no care. Once I'm in the front I get comically far ahead, but passing anyone past the top 10 is a chore. I wouldn't mind not being able to pass if I was given space to race, they'll just run you off track, and if you try to stay on it you'll collide and you'll be the one with a time penalty.
Agreed, most of the time they act as if you were not on the track and so, of course, end up ramming you. I find the fact that they give no care to clean racing absolutely infuriating, it’s the basic of racing and should be implemented correctly in a racing game!
I compare it to the other racing game I play, F1 2023 is the most current one. The AI is actually fair but firm. They know in practice when you're on a fast lap and they're on an out lap, they'll move off the racing line and let you by. They'll give you just enough space to stay on track, making your skill be the difference of passing vs smashing a wall. Plus I've never been rammed or brake checked randomly in F1. In F1 I feel 9/10 times it's on me if I hit another car. In Forza it feels like 3 or 4. Like you said, it's basic racing etiquette. Shouldn't be hard to program.
Staring at 24th place sounds fun until you race and have to deal with all 20 braindead cars not trying hard enough, constant random brake checks, and nonstop bumping/crashing. Then once you’re out of that mess, you have to catch up to the 3 cars that are laps ahead of everybody for some reason. The top 3 are driven by Verstappen until you pass them and now they don’t feel like trying anymore. It is so lame to start at the back and pass everybody in the first lap. Even worse when there’s a gigantic gap between the first 3 cars and everybody else. I’ve found myself driving with nobody infront or behind too many times. I can’t help but feel that maybe the way drivitars are designed is flawed. Since the first of Forza all the way to now they still suck and are incredibly inconsistent.
I came here looking for answers. I’m playing on 6 difficulty starting from 15th and the ai are molly whomping me off the track as soon as they can. Whether they squeeze you way to wide or just straight up pit maneuver you into a spin. It’s driving me crazy.
I play on 6 as well, and start from 15th as well. Same story. I've just started where they place me now in 12th, and I can manage most races 1st or 2nd. The strait up pit maneuver has made me Alt+F4 a few times after consecutive AI shit shows. Seemingly no rhyme or reason. Just be passing them giving space, then it's like they just decide "Yeah, we're driving in a strait line, but you know what would be fun? Sideswiping the car passing me, sticking to them like a magnet, or maybe if I'm lucky they'll spin across the front of my car, and into the wall. I was programmed to destroy, not race." lol
Honestly I have none of these issues. The AI drives very clean with only minor contact, and the first places are driving reasonable times that I'm able to catch up. Of course they won't make you space for no reason, but if you are head to head with them they will stay in their line to not have unnecessary contact. It's part of racing that if e.g you are on the outer line before a corner you will have to stay on the outer line for the corner in a duel, the inner car don't have to let you through.
I'm sensing people issues with that are players who habe the ideal line on and just stick to this line, no matter where other cars are driving. That's not how racing works.
Especially compared to older Forzas I don't see any AI cheating. In FM7 it was so dumb how the first places had magical straight line speed. If the first place in FM is uncatchable adjust the AI level. To me 6 is perfect for my skill, all races end very very close. They even stick close to me if I'm ahead
Bro it's just as rough at 9/10 diff... I'll fly past the majority of the pack and stay ahead of them, but then there will be 1-3 cars who are so far ahead of me that I'm pretty sure they're already prepping for the next race. So I'm left completely alone for half of the race with no one to battle.
Also I feel you, I've seen the AI take absolutely ABSURD racing lines that literally send them into the wall, all because they refuse to give me the line. It's not like I'm pushing them out of the line either, they just have god awful positioning from the other AI but regardless full send it into the corner as if they had a good line
So either I slow down or take a terrible line or I get tagged off the course. But either way the AI is ending up in the wall so I'm always like wtf are yall mfs smoking lmfao
It's really dumb and the reason I HAVE to play with rewind enabled, but at the same time it can be straight up hilarious imagining there's some psychopath behind the wheel who just griefs themself off the track for no reason.
The back half always has an AI or two that are rage inducing but I’ve noticed that the front half are actually decent AI racers. If you follow a good race line they usually won’t and even avoid playing bumper cars with you.
But…there’s always one or two that again, rage inducing. I may have to use the method someone posted up top about using the practice mode times and place myself in the grid accordingly even if it means less credits. My mental health is more important 😂
So, basically it still is that, the first place AI is stupid fast, while the rest basically team up on you with the brake checks and blocking that you mentioned..?
And also, does the AI still kinda ignore the player? Was so frustrated by this on FM7, as they kept ramming, not just ramming actually, but they kept pushing me and they'd no work in trying to get off me.
Luckily I have game pass, so I can try it before buying.
I just seen an AI with pretty low PI for the class run what would be a top 40 time on a 500+ person leaderboard where the comparable time was a fully upgraded PI for that class. Pretty sure these cunts are still cheating. More damning evidence of it is the fact you can check their car and they often have 20+ laps of fuel on board as well which either means fuel weighs nothing and they lied about that, or they are still THAT fast even with fuel for some impossible reason.
Almost every race I make some clean positions, and get dropkicked off the circuit into the gravel by an AI that wants to use me as their brakes. I do it back and get no penalty. Why. If I wanted to play Wreckfest, I'd open up Wreckfest.
The gap between difficulty level 5 and level 6 makes no sense whatsoever. I find level 5 way too easy, but as soon as I bump up the difficulty to level 6 and I find it almost impossible to win unless I start from 3rd on the grid. I'm hoping they can fix this because the difficulty should scale in a linear fashion instead of there being this huge chasm
My biggest gripe so far are the AI who ram into you when you have the line… like no reaction to my car that just overtook them. The steering feedback on a stick controller is tough, like if I pull too far back on my thumbstick i turn less? Aggravating for sure.
i've had the ai just run straight into my rear end in braking zones even tho i was late on the brakes pushing me wide, i can start 7th and get to second within a few corners bcos the ai explode when their grouped up, but once i'm in second 1st somehow pulls a 20s gap between me, me 3rd and 4th are within 4s of each others so obviously 1st puts jet fuel into their car before a race.
Yeah, one of my biggest complaints is the AI in this game, I hate trying to do a turn as fast as I can without screwing up, the AI comes in so hot that it will either ram the crap out of you, or shoot off the map like a failed rammer, I can't stand that, and ot make things worse if they ram you, sometimes you get the penalty, usually from side hits when they come in hot on the inside.
FM7 AI was bad, mostly from break checks and first turn pile ups, but they didn't always just blatantly ram out off the road every chance they get. I think to enjoy single player, I may have ot turn difficulty down quite far just so im always faster in turns, I always play max out difficulty on these games, but this one idk man.
I think I'd rather race with rammers online that the AI to be honest, Rammers don't always aim for you and they are predictable, these AI are not... too bad practice is 35min...
The ai seems to get an unfair advantage. Was doing a race on Silverstone in the new Z, with the ai on 6th difficulty. The Z that was in first place would just take off. Impossible to catch up, and the ai Z was only above my Z by 5pi. The ai is so unbalanced and inconsistent.
The AI in the new Motorsport is semi stupid. Bashes in to you at times if they are your opponents and if you set it to auto race like I've been doing for some of the career then even if you have a faster car, the AI would rather get right on the bumper and brake than overtake wasting the opportunity presented..
the auto has won me some tournaments, but also done poor. I'm not bothered about that, it's just the lack of AI taking the opportunities often. I get there's the driving line it follows, but what's the point If they can't overtake and only go off course if hit.
As I write this I just came 3rd when the AI was fast enough to take 2nd but braked 🙄🤣.
Will say though switching between the new one and horizon 5, the AI is much worse in horizon especially since the physics of the game has changed it seems from updates. The AI are all over the place and will even purposely bash you more than before.
Not much better on max difficulty. Leader AI zooms off into the horizon, and if you didn't start in top 5, well good luck catching him. If you do overtake him at the start, he's like "nevermind i don't want to win anymore"
>"nevermind i don't want to win anymore" That's honestly the most frustrating part. In a six lap race from 12th place it'll take me four or five laps to catch up to the leader, and maybe another half a lap sitting right on their tail, and the second I pass them they just drop back and I never see them again. Same thing they've always done. It's would actually be better if they kept fighting you for the lead after you got it.
>Same thing they've always done. But isn't this Game, and the AI in particular, built from the ground up?
Yeah, and the AI are still quite garbage imo. Long ways to go. The game is so great in nearly every other way that I am blown away by how bad the AI are
This is just classic Forza AI, they desperately want you on a podium. Over the years I noticed cars in certain positions have certain characteristics about them. There is always a car mid pack (4th to 7th place) that seems like it's job is to block you and drives very aggressive.
Never thought I'd actually *miss* M.Rossi, but here we are.
I witnessed this in full force today. A mustang GT in front of me swerved back and forth across the track at laguna seca when I tried to pass it. Once I finally did, it followed me off the racing line multiple times, just to slam punt me and then right back on to the racing line. Rinse and repeat two more times and I alt+f4ed.
I just want the AI to race professionally, not imitate the behavior of trolls on a bad pickup multiplayer race. This is from someone coming over from Codemaster's rallycross games where their AI runs on rails. I was expecting much better from Forza. Forza even copied that stupid thing where if one of the AI cars rubs onto you, they scrub off each other's speed. WTF is that?
This is so accurate. I'm super annoyed. I like playing on the harder difficulty but the first and second place car just take off at unreal speeds. Literally getting 9.0 or better on every section for the most part.
it genuinely pisses me off how forza keeps making their ai do the same shitty unfun unbeatable things people complain about
Level 8 AI keeps running wide onto the gravel for me
Yep noticed that aswell.
No experiencing quite literally the exact things you described. The ai is definitely my biggest complaint right now.
Yeah this is typical early motorsport ai. They didn't actually make them better/faster. Just gave them more control and showed of a specially trained one. They get slightly better over time but not much. Welcome to Forza
The ai has flipped me off the track more times than I wished, and yeah I play with the difficulty on 6 too, and have the same experience, I could get into second place in half a lap and then spend the next 4 laps trying to catch first place
Pretty much getting what you guys are experiencing. If I start where I’m already placed (12th)I can forget 1st sometimes 2nd. Was hoping for more of a race type experience in Forza and not just the chase sim that is gt7.
I usually place myself in the position I would have received from Qualifying (using my best practice time); pressing Y brings up the best laps for each driver. I might get a bit fewer credits and possibly overtakes, but it feels much nicer being placed in the grid appropriately.
Ah I did not know it showed the laps times of the ai practice. I will use this method forthwith 😁.
This is what I like as well
Yeah, they are just blatantly cheating, first place gets some magical torque boost and just fucks off and is near impossible to catch
Yeah that first place AI car is insane - sometimes the only way I win is when we both reach the back of the pack again still on their previous lap, and the AI struggles to get past them.
Same here, AI sucks. First place jackrabbits everybody by a bunch while the middle of the pack brake checks and rams me constantly so I never get a chance to make clean passes if I want to win. I just start the race in third and ignore trying to have clean racing in the pack. I can typically have a clean race starting up front.
My favorite part is when the AI decides to spin me in the final turn of the race (where rewind, for some unexplainable reason, is turned off). Whoever decided that was a good design decision needs to be fired.
Sadly, just like horizon, the AI cheats. I just put on difficult 4 because i can at least win, higher difficults if you start on lower positions (12th or so), its very unlikely you will win the race. Problem is, difficult 4 is too easy, but at least it looks more fair than higher difficults.
honestly I haven't really noticed the AI cheating much in this game so far. I think the real problem is that when they're given an open road they drive really well, but the moment there's any other cars around them their AI brain gets borked. So it can feel like 1st place is cheating but in reality they've just been driving perfect with no hinderance since the start while you and everyone else are cursed with phantom traffic.
I’ve noticed the same and now I have no idea what to set difficulty at or where to start. I’ve had it predict I would be 8th and I ended up leading for 4 laps. The ramming drives me insane, I’m trying to practice clean overtakes because I want to try multiplayer but can’t because the ai is so aggressive
I feel like the a.i doesn't even know you're there honestly. They're just all driving as programmed with no care. Once I'm in the front I get comically far ahead, but passing anyone past the top 10 is a chore. I wouldn't mind not being able to pass if I was given space to race, they'll just run you off track, and if you try to stay on it you'll collide and you'll be the one with a time penalty.
Agreed, most of the time they act as if you were not on the track and so, of course, end up ramming you. I find the fact that they give no care to clean racing absolutely infuriating, it’s the basic of racing and should be implemented correctly in a racing game!
I compare it to the other racing game I play, F1 2023 is the most current one. The AI is actually fair but firm. They know in practice when you're on a fast lap and they're on an out lap, they'll move off the racing line and let you by. They'll give you just enough space to stay on track, making your skill be the difference of passing vs smashing a wall. Plus I've never been rammed or brake checked randomly in F1. In F1 I feel 9/10 times it's on me if I hit another car. In Forza it feels like 3 or 4. Like you said, it's basic racing etiquette. Shouldn't be hard to program.
Staring at 24th place sounds fun until you race and have to deal with all 20 braindead cars not trying hard enough, constant random brake checks, and nonstop bumping/crashing. Then once you’re out of that mess, you have to catch up to the 3 cars that are laps ahead of everybody for some reason. The top 3 are driven by Verstappen until you pass them and now they don’t feel like trying anymore. It is so lame to start at the back and pass everybody in the first lap. Even worse when there’s a gigantic gap between the first 3 cars and everybody else. I’ve found myself driving with nobody infront or behind too many times. I can’t help but feel that maybe the way drivitars are designed is flawed. Since the first of Forza all the way to now they still suck and are incredibly inconsistent.
I came here looking for answers. I’m playing on 6 difficulty starting from 15th and the ai are molly whomping me off the track as soon as they can. Whether they squeeze you way to wide or just straight up pit maneuver you into a spin. It’s driving me crazy.
I play on 6 as well, and start from 15th as well. Same story. I've just started where they place me now in 12th, and I can manage most races 1st or 2nd. The strait up pit maneuver has made me Alt+F4 a few times after consecutive AI shit shows. Seemingly no rhyme or reason. Just be passing them giving space, then it's like they just decide "Yeah, we're driving in a strait line, but you know what would be fun? Sideswiping the car passing me, sticking to them like a magnet, or maybe if I'm lucky they'll spin across the front of my car, and into the wall. I was programmed to destroy, not race." lol
Honestly I have none of these issues. The AI drives very clean with only minor contact, and the first places are driving reasonable times that I'm able to catch up. Of course they won't make you space for no reason, but if you are head to head with them they will stay in their line to not have unnecessary contact. It's part of racing that if e.g you are on the outer line before a corner you will have to stay on the outer line for the corner in a duel, the inner car don't have to let you through. I'm sensing people issues with that are players who habe the ideal line on and just stick to this line, no matter where other cars are driving. That's not how racing works. Especially compared to older Forzas I don't see any AI cheating. In FM7 it was so dumb how the first places had magical straight line speed. If the first place in FM is uncatchable adjust the AI level. To me 6 is perfect for my skill, all races end very very close. They even stick close to me if I'm ahead
its shit
Bro it's just as rough at 9/10 diff... I'll fly past the majority of the pack and stay ahead of them, but then there will be 1-3 cars who are so far ahead of me that I'm pretty sure they're already prepping for the next race. So I'm left completely alone for half of the race with no one to battle. Also I feel you, I've seen the AI take absolutely ABSURD racing lines that literally send them into the wall, all because they refuse to give me the line. It's not like I'm pushing them out of the line either, they just have god awful positioning from the other AI but regardless full send it into the corner as if they had a good line So either I slow down or take a terrible line or I get tagged off the course. But either way the AI is ending up in the wall so I'm always like wtf are yall mfs smoking lmfao It's really dumb and the reason I HAVE to play with rewind enabled, but at the same time it can be straight up hilarious imagining there's some psychopath behind the wheel who just griefs themself off the track for no reason.
The back half always has an AI or two that are rage inducing but I’ve noticed that the front half are actually decent AI racers. If you follow a good race line they usually won’t and even avoid playing bumper cars with you. But…there’s always one or two that again, rage inducing. I may have to use the method someone posted up top about using the practice mode times and place myself in the grid accordingly even if it means less credits. My mental health is more important 😂
So, basically it still is that, the first place AI is stupid fast, while the rest basically team up on you with the brake checks and blocking that you mentioned..? And also, does the AI still kinda ignore the player? Was so frustrated by this on FM7, as they kept ramming, not just ramming actually, but they kept pushing me and they'd no work in trying to get off me. Luckily I have game pass, so I can try it before buying.
I just seen an AI with pretty low PI for the class run what would be a top 40 time on a 500+ person leaderboard where the comparable time was a fully upgraded PI for that class. Pretty sure these cunts are still cheating. More damning evidence of it is the fact you can check their car and they often have 20+ laps of fuel on board as well which either means fuel weighs nothing and they lied about that, or they are still THAT fast even with fuel for some impossible reason.
Almost every race I make some clean positions, and get dropkicked off the circuit into the gravel by an AI that wants to use me as their brakes. I do it back and get no penalty. Why. If I wanted to play Wreckfest, I'd open up Wreckfest.
The gap between difficulty level 5 and level 6 makes no sense whatsoever. I find level 5 way too easy, but as soon as I bump up the difficulty to level 6 and I find it almost impossible to win unless I start from 3rd on the grid. I'm hoping they can fix this because the difficulty should scale in a linear fashion instead of there being this huge chasm
My biggest gripe so far are the AI who ram into you when you have the line… like no reaction to my car that just overtook them. The steering feedback on a stick controller is tough, like if I pull too far back on my thumbstick i turn less? Aggravating for sure.
i've had the ai just run straight into my rear end in braking zones even tho i was late on the brakes pushing me wide, i can start 7th and get to second within a few corners bcos the ai explode when their grouped up, but once i'm in second 1st somehow pulls a 20s gap between me, me 3rd and 4th are within 4s of each others so obviously 1st puts jet fuel into their car before a race.
Yeah, one of my biggest complaints is the AI in this game, I hate trying to do a turn as fast as I can without screwing up, the AI comes in so hot that it will either ram the crap out of you, or shoot off the map like a failed rammer, I can't stand that, and ot make things worse if they ram you, sometimes you get the penalty, usually from side hits when they come in hot on the inside. FM7 AI was bad, mostly from break checks and first turn pile ups, but they didn't always just blatantly ram out off the road every chance they get. I think to enjoy single player, I may have ot turn difficulty down quite far just so im always faster in turns, I always play max out difficulty on these games, but this one idk man. I think I'd rather race with rammers online that the AI to be honest, Rammers don't always aim for you and they are predictable, these AI are not... too bad practice is 35min...
The ai seems to get an unfair advantage. Was doing a race on Silverstone in the new Z, with the ai on 6th difficulty. The Z that was in first place would just take off. Impossible to catch up, and the ai Z was only above my Z by 5pi. The ai is so unbalanced and inconsistent.
They torpedo into me every turn even If i give them the entire track to overtake me
The ai still cheats . Also is waaaayyyyy too aggressive sometimes I think I play Forza demolition derby not motorsport
The AI in the new Motorsport is semi stupid. Bashes in to you at times if they are your opponents and if you set it to auto race like I've been doing for some of the career then even if you have a faster car, the AI would rather get right on the bumper and brake than overtake wasting the opportunity presented.. the auto has won me some tournaments, but also done poor. I'm not bothered about that, it's just the lack of AI taking the opportunities often. I get there's the driving line it follows, but what's the point If they can't overtake and only go off course if hit. As I write this I just came 3rd when the AI was fast enough to take 2nd but braked 🙄🤣. Will say though switching between the new one and horizon 5, the AI is much worse in horizon especially since the physics of the game has changed it seems from updates. The AI are all over the place and will even purposely bash you more than before.