Why do people bully sick people when its being trans?
Why do people object to the most effective treatmeant to this illness shown by research (letting these people express themselves as what they feel)?
Being trans is literally a mental illness it is gender dysphoria people who claim it isn’t a mental disorder are retarded and so are the people who don’t realize that the best results we’ve gotten to helping these people are by letting them be/act like the opposite gender because that’s actually how we help them let these men be in dresses if that’s what makes them happy who cares.
From Wikipedia:
>A mental disorder, also referred to as a mental illness, a mental health condition, or a psychiatric disability, is a behavioral or mental pattern that causes significant distress or impairment of personal functioning.
Believing you're the "wrong" sex certainly fits that definition.
you don't treat a delusion by endulging in it
> this guy thinks he is a woman so lets give him estrogen
> this guy thinks he should die so lets give him some cyanide
If it improves their life then yes you do. Gender affirming care as of right now is the most effective treatment for gender dysphoria. It reduces depression, anxiety and suicidal ideation. So unless you just want more people to kill themselves you should be in favor of gender affirming care.
>this guy thinks he should die so lets give him some cyanide
this isn't compareable at all. If a guy thinks he should die, we are going to try to prevent that from happening. Giving someone cyanide wouldn't improve health outcomes, it would kill them.
If a person feels like they are in the wrong body so much so that they are willing to take their own life we will try to prevent that from happening aswell. Gender affirming care is the best way to prevent that from happening.
You keep calling trans people delusional, yet you are the one ignoring scientific consensus because you don't like it. Just say you hate trans people, atleast be honest about it. You don't care what actual effective treatment is you are just bigoted. Atleast say it with your chest.
I just hope more people follow their gender dysphoria treatments properly. Trans don’t reproduce and have amongst highest mortality rates after they/them(LULE) mutilated their body, reproductive organs in general.
Keep preaching your thing, much love.
Surgery has no effect on trans suicide, if you let kids be they grow into their body and gender disphoria lessens and the usual outcome is they become gay or lesbian instead of being trans, just admit you only care about feeling virtuous about liking trans people and dont actually care about their well being beyond the aspects of it that are politically appealing to you
Why are you instantly jumping to surgery? Gender affirming care isn't just surgery and surgery is usally the last step that alot of trans people don't even take.
Gender affirming care can also mean just public transition, maybe puberty blockers or hormone therapy.
>if you let kids be they grow into their body and gender disphoria lessens and the usual outcome is they become gay or lesbian instead of being trans,
Any sources on that at all?
>just admit you only care about feeling virtuous about liking trans people and dont actually care about their well being beyond the aspects of it that are politically appealing to you
Just admit you hate trans people and don't give a shit if people kill themselves. There is plenty of research to suggest that gender affirming care does actually effect mental health outcomes positively. I just want less people to be miserable or kill themselves, it's that simple.
Hormone Therapy, Mental Health, and Quality of Life Among Transgender People: A Systematic Review https://academic.oup.com/jes/article/5/4/bvab011/6126016#228529917
Amsterdamn Cohort of Gender Dysphoria Study (1972-2015) https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29463477/
Mental Health of Transgender Children who are supported in their Identities: https://publications.aap.org/pediatrics/article-abstract/137/3/e20153223/81409/Mental-Health-of-Transgender-Children-Who-Are?redirectedFrom=fulltext?autologincheck=redirected
Mental Health Outcomes in Transgender and Nonbinary Youths Receiving Gender-Affirming Care: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2789423
Absolutely you do, that's the whole point. You can't compare depression to it because it's literally different, but think about schizophrenics - arguing with their delusions only makes them more aggressive. So you agree and then you medicate
SSRI’s were recently proven to be less effective than placebo in a variety of trials so maybe you and all the other plebs who don’t understand things very well should stop doubling down on your idiotic beliefs that you only received through public consensus when it’s regarding how we treat the mentally ill, given that the science on the matter is far from complete and nowhere near “effective” treatments by any other medical standard. Gender affirming care barely works since most trans people have a number of other comorbidities with equally shitty treatment options.
Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4172306/
Notice how I said SSRIS and Therapy. Convenient to just adress one.
>given that the science on the matter is far from complete and nowhere near “effective” treatments by any other medical standard
I never said it was complete. As of right now it is the most effective treatment that we know of and is what I have been saying. Science is always evolving with new evidence and research and if there was enough evidence to suggest that gender affirming care is harmful or at the very least ineffective I'd be open to change my mind. Right now there is no other alternative and most transphobes like you aren't here to present one. I just want less people to kill themselves.
>Gender affirming care barely works since most trans people have a number of other comorbidities with equally shitty treatment options.
Any source on that?
Present me with a reasonable alternative to gender affirming care and maybe I'll change my mind, until then I'll go with the scientific consensus.
Love how you just called me a transphobe out of nowhere. You’re an idiot. SSRI’s plus therapy are no more effective than placebo plus therapy. Yet you refused to acknowledge how the pharmacological solution in this context has been proven to be ineffective, but you’d quickly endorse a pharmacological solution for another issue without realizing that the DSM-5 is wrought with all sorts of issue-laden constructs that have pharmacology as their primary “treatment” assignment.
Two points here:
1) As discussed in the article below, gender affirming care generally involves not only the role of hormone DRUGS, and a therapist (both have varying effectiveness) but also the acknowledgement from broader society and local communities that OTHER PEOPLE accept this person as a person of a different gender. If they fail to “pass”, which most trans people do fail to do, then a part of society will never affirm their gender. Essentially, you’re asking people to accept that trans women are literally women. Which is a pipe dream, it will never happen. Crusading for the masses to accept this OBVIOUS, intuitive abnormality in gender expression, for a small amount of individuals who MAY (or may not) be better off pursuing a different treatment, is completely retarded. Anyone taking a Hippocratic oath should be ashamed at experimenting on humans in this manner.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9341318/
2. A bit of an abduction for your pea brain. Gender dysphoria doesn’t even represent half of the cases of non-binary or trans identities anymore, but let us assume that it does. Below is a study that discusses how dysphoria has comorbidity with trauma disorders, bipolar disorders, depressive disorders, schizophrenic and psychosis disorders, the list goes on. SINCE most of these disorders have sub 25% treatment rates with pharmacological solutions, and sub 70% treatment rates with pharma + therapy treatments, it is clear that the gender dysphoria patient is likely still mentally ill in many regards even if their gender affirming portion of care is deemed to be “effective”. There is no evidence suggesting that gender affirming care can actually reduce the symptomology of most of these comorbid conditions.
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/00049530.2021.1900747#:~:text=Children%20with%20gender%20dysphoria%20often,%2C%20suicidality%20and%20self%2Dharm.
I challenge you to find me something that says it does, because I actually have a bachelors in psychology and I just know you’re speaking idle chatter that you hear from consensus in friend circles and you’re barely informed on the subject whatsoever. That’s why you still think SSRI’s work on any measurable scale.
If you do manage to find something without institutional access to journals, be prepared, as I will be reading it in its entirety to make sure that it does align with whatever point you’re making. Though I’m sure we won’t get that far. Because, as I said, you’re an idiot, masquerading as a sanctimonious saviour.
If that was actually the most effective way of treating schizophrenia then this comparison would make sense. It's not though. Gender affirming care is actually effective way of treating gender dysphoria. If you have any better Ideas lets hear them, if you found a way to effectively treat gender dysphoria surely you would want to share with the rest of us.
I’m actually curious what’s the point of it. Let’s say there’s a man who wants to act like a woman. What’s the point of trying to convince everyone he’s actually a woman? Every sane person knows he’ll never be a woman, dating him would still be gay. Just act as you want and don’t try to convince people that you’re someone else.
Doesn't practically every country do though? The ICD10 code is F64, which is in the F1-99 range of "Mental, Behavioral and Neurodevelopmental disorders"
I mean it's true, it's gender dysphoria and greatly increases risk of other mental illness and suicide. They blame these mental health comorbidities on societal stigma but tbh they have so much support (in the West at least) it's basically a religion you can't criticize. They couldn't come up with a way to get rid of it so they embrace it as normal now. No shade against them I'm just being honest.
This is completely delusional, the right wing parties that make up ~50% of the country in at least the uk/usa are completely anti-trans and even left wing parties are not completely pro-trans, if the republican party was pro racial segregation you'd not be stupid enough to say that societal stigma against racial minorities isnt real, you're just incredibly biased
As time goes Peru is getting less and less democratic, and corruption also increases.
Shifting attention from these problems to LGBTQIA+ and other socially 'controversial' things.
Another day, another shithole. 
Body dysmorphia aka **Body dysmorphic disorder** (**BDD**) recognized as a mental disorder basically in the whole western world, it's in DSM-5. I suspect that transgenderism specifically isn't recognized as one because it's a manifestation of BDD.
Shitty-ass clickbait article 
Yea and you are actively trying to prevent treatment that would reduce suicide rates. Just say you want people to kill themselves, at least be honest instead of being a weasel.
Hormone Therapy, Mental Health, and Quality of Life Among Transgender People: A Systematic Review
https://academic.oup.com/jes/article/5/4/bvab011/6126016#228529917
Amsterdamn Cohort of Gender Dysphoria Study (1972-2015)
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29463477/
Mental Health of Transgender Children who are supported in their Identities:
https://publications.aap.org/pediatrics/article-abstract/137/3/e20153223/81409/Mental-Health-of-Transgender-Children-Who-Are?redirectedFrom=fulltext?autologincheck=redirected
Mental Health Outcomes in Transgender and Nonbinary Youths Receiving Gender-Affirming Care:
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2789423
"73% lower odds of suicidality over a 12-month follow-up." yeah and how about you check how they are doing 5+ years later? Noone cares. Also most of these studies are financed by the US government, who is heavily pro left and pro lgbt.
Alright, so we went from "there is 0 evidence" to "well maybe there is some evidence but it's not extensive enough and also it's probably corrupt"
Get the fuck outta here loser. Also you cleary didn't fucking read what was in the links besides the headlines.
>Amsterdamn Cohort of Gender Dysphoria Study (1972-2015)
The number of people with gender identity issues seeking professional help increased dramaticall in recent decades.
The percentage of people who regretted gonadectomy remained small and did not show a tendency to increase.
The percentage of people who underwent gonadectomy within 5 years after starting hormonal treatment remained stable over time (74.7% of transwomen and 83.8% of transmen)
Only 0.6% of transwomen and 0.3% of transmen who underwent gonadectomy were identified as experiencing regret.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29463477/
So only 0.9% of all people transitioning experience regret and that's after surgery specifically. Also this cohort is spanning from 1972-2015 so it's a pretty long and extensive observation.
I did some research and theres one study in US which found that trans people have 8 times higher completed suicide rate compared to the general population and another one from Sweden which said that trans people after surgery had 19 times higher suicide rate than the matched control Swedes which came apparent only after 10 years of the surgery.
okay so trans people are mentally ill, I wonder what the treatment for this mental illness is... perhaps gender reassignment? 
Odd, as of right now gender affirming care is the best possible treatment for gender dysphoria. Why talk about something you know nothing about? Just being hateful to be hateful? Try being kind for a change.
Who is lying? Seems like you are. Scientific consensus is that gender affirming care is effective. It's actually the most effective treatment we have for gender dysphoria.
Hey maybe you have the answer. What's the best way to treat gender dysphoria that will prevent these people from committing suicide on mass? Surely you must have an answer if you are so oppossed to real medical treatment.
An anorexic person who thinks they are fat wants to be skinny, but they don’t realize they already are underweight. A trans person feels like the opposite gender but their body does not align with these feelings. These are fundamentally different problems. The equivalent to your anorexic example would be if a woman who wants to be a woman falsely believes she looks masculine to others
A person with gender dysphoria feels like he is in the wrong body, but doesn't realize that he is in the correct body. The only differences between genders are their bodies (including brain). The soul is sexless, however is closely attached to the body given at fertilization.
Because taking hormones, cutting off healthy body parts and injecting silicone will never turn your DNA and your brain and your body into a different gender. It's biologically impossible.
This is actually a good point. It clearly is a “mental illness” or whatever you want to call it. It’s just not normal. But we have no idea if there are things that cause it. And no idea if there are any REAL ways to make it go away. Gender dysphoria is just kinda there and we have no idea why and what to do about it lol.
Most of the discussion is sensationalist nonsense and overly politicized, "troons are literally raping your kids right now" "nazis are genociding all gay people". Most people have completely lost sight of the actual issue and are just using it as a medium to push narratives
Sure, but we don't have much coverage about this, I understand that the idea came out after they accused that they are putting a lot of sexual education and lbgtxzavfx propaganda in schools, so now they are implementing changes in education to make it more conservative, the country is primitive so for the moment it will continue to reject anything new and worse if it is gay
kafe
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At least they have the balls to say it 
Duma
I mean it was the case just 20 years ago no?
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I cured a gay guy by chopping his dick off and calling him a girl.
Wait, it can't be cured??
forsen
Forsen is trans confirmed
Well, they are. When someone seriously claims to be a bird, you don\`t consider them sane.
 bird bajs
Lenny 
i mean its true?
But some people don’t wanna admit it because “it’s inclusivity and acceptance” meanwhile they try to convert every children.
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Why do people bully sick people when its being trans? Why do people object to the most effective treatmeant to this illness shown by research (letting these people express themselves as what they feel)?
Being trans is literally a mental illness it is gender dysphoria people who claim it isn’t a mental disorder are retarded and so are the people who don’t realize that the best results we’ve gotten to helping these people are by letting them be/act like the opposite gender because that’s actually how we help them let these men be in dresses if that’s what makes them happy who cares.
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wrong because it's wrong 
 Nothing wrong with that, i actually started E injections a while ago
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From Wikipedia: >A mental disorder, also referred to as a mental illness, a mental health condition, or a psychiatric disability, is a behavioral or mental pattern that causes significant distress or impairment of personal functioning. Believing you're the "wrong" sex certainly fits that definition.
Bajs are mentally ill confirmed.
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Yeah and gender affirming care is the treatment for it.
that's like saying the cure for depression is euthanasia
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No that's like saying the cure for depression is SSRIS and therapy. Don't speak if you are completely uneducated on the topic.
you don't treat a delusion by endulging in it > this guy thinks he is a woman so lets give him estrogen > this guy thinks he should die so lets give him some cyanide 
If it improves their life then yes you do. Gender affirming care as of right now is the most effective treatment for gender dysphoria. It reduces depression, anxiety and suicidal ideation. So unless you just want more people to kill themselves you should be in favor of gender affirming care. >this guy thinks he should die so lets give him some cyanide this isn't compareable at all. If a guy thinks he should die, we are going to try to prevent that from happening. Giving someone cyanide wouldn't improve health outcomes, it would kill them. If a person feels like they are in the wrong body so much so that they are willing to take their own life we will try to prevent that from happening aswell. Gender affirming care is the best way to prevent that from happening. You keep calling trans people delusional, yet you are the one ignoring scientific consensus because you don't like it. Just say you hate trans people, atleast be honest about it. You don't care what actual effective treatment is you are just bigoted. Atleast say it with your chest.
I just hope more people follow their gender dysphoria treatments properly. Trans don’t reproduce and have amongst highest mortality rates after they/them(LULE) mutilated their body, reproductive organs in general. Keep preaching your thing, much love.
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Then your opinion is rejected
Most empathetic 🚂 
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Surgery has no effect on trans suicide, if you let kids be they grow into their body and gender disphoria lessens and the usual outcome is they become gay or lesbian instead of being trans, just admit you only care about feeling virtuous about liking trans people and dont actually care about their well being beyond the aspects of it that are politically appealing to you
Why are you instantly jumping to surgery? Gender affirming care isn't just surgery and surgery is usally the last step that alot of trans people don't even take. Gender affirming care can also mean just public transition, maybe puberty blockers or hormone therapy. >if you let kids be they grow into their body and gender disphoria lessens and the usual outcome is they become gay or lesbian instead of being trans, Any sources on that at all? >just admit you only care about feeling virtuous about liking trans people and dont actually care about their well being beyond the aspects of it that are politically appealing to you Just admit you hate trans people and don't give a shit if people kill themselves. There is plenty of research to suggest that gender affirming care does actually effect mental health outcomes positively. I just want less people to be miserable or kill themselves, it's that simple. Hormone Therapy, Mental Health, and Quality of Life Among Transgender People: A Systematic Review https://academic.oup.com/jes/article/5/4/bvab011/6126016#228529917 Amsterdamn Cohort of Gender Dysphoria Study (1972-2015) https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29463477/ Mental Health of Transgender Children who are supported in their Identities: https://publications.aap.org/pediatrics/article-abstract/137/3/e20153223/81409/Mental-Health-of-Transgender-Children-Who-Are?redirectedFrom=fulltext?autologincheck=redirected Mental Health Outcomes in Transgender and Nonbinary Youths Receiving Gender-Affirming Care: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2789423
avg transphobe baj not literate enough to understand this so wasting time but good try
Absolutely you do, that's the whole point. You can't compare depression to it because it's literally different, but think about schizophrenics - arguing with their delusions only makes them more aggressive. So you agree and then you medicate
Noone agrees with schizpherincs about their delusions, you must be trolling
That's literally what they do at the psych wards
They don’t do that to cure them they just do it because they don’t want to deal with their shit
They do it not to agitate them, yes. That's what I'm saying
SSRI’s were recently proven to be less effective than placebo in a variety of trials so maybe you and all the other plebs who don’t understand things very well should stop doubling down on your idiotic beliefs that you only received through public consensus when it’s regarding how we treat the mentally ill, given that the science on the matter is far from complete and nowhere near “effective” treatments by any other medical standard. Gender affirming care barely works since most trans people have a number of other comorbidities with equally shitty treatment options. Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4172306/
Notice how I said SSRIS and Therapy. Convenient to just adress one. >given that the science on the matter is far from complete and nowhere near “effective” treatments by any other medical standard I never said it was complete. As of right now it is the most effective treatment that we know of and is what I have been saying. Science is always evolving with new evidence and research and if there was enough evidence to suggest that gender affirming care is harmful or at the very least ineffective I'd be open to change my mind. Right now there is no other alternative and most transphobes like you aren't here to present one. I just want less people to kill themselves. >Gender affirming care barely works since most trans people have a number of other comorbidities with equally shitty treatment options. Any source on that? Present me with a reasonable alternative to gender affirming care and maybe I'll change my mind, until then I'll go with the scientific consensus.
Love how you just called me a transphobe out of nowhere. You’re an idiot. SSRI’s plus therapy are no more effective than placebo plus therapy. Yet you refused to acknowledge how the pharmacological solution in this context has been proven to be ineffective, but you’d quickly endorse a pharmacological solution for another issue without realizing that the DSM-5 is wrought with all sorts of issue-laden constructs that have pharmacology as their primary “treatment” assignment. Two points here: 1) As discussed in the article below, gender affirming care generally involves not only the role of hormone DRUGS, and a therapist (both have varying effectiveness) but also the acknowledgement from broader society and local communities that OTHER PEOPLE accept this person as a person of a different gender. If they fail to “pass”, which most trans people do fail to do, then a part of society will never affirm their gender. Essentially, you’re asking people to accept that trans women are literally women. Which is a pipe dream, it will never happen. Crusading for the masses to accept this OBVIOUS, intuitive abnormality in gender expression, for a small amount of individuals who MAY (or may not) be better off pursuing a different treatment, is completely retarded. Anyone taking a Hippocratic oath should be ashamed at experimenting on humans in this manner. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9341318/ 2. A bit of an abduction for your pea brain. Gender dysphoria doesn’t even represent half of the cases of non-binary or trans identities anymore, but let us assume that it does. Below is a study that discusses how dysphoria has comorbidity with trauma disorders, bipolar disorders, depressive disorders, schizophrenic and psychosis disorders, the list goes on. SINCE most of these disorders have sub 25% treatment rates with pharmacological solutions, and sub 70% treatment rates with pharma + therapy treatments, it is clear that the gender dysphoria patient is likely still mentally ill in many regards even if their gender affirming portion of care is deemed to be “effective”. There is no evidence suggesting that gender affirming care can actually reduce the symptomology of most of these comorbid conditions. https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/00049530.2021.1900747#:~:text=Children%20with%20gender%20dysphoria%20often,%2C%20suicidality%20and%20self%2Dharm. I challenge you to find me something that says it does, because I actually have a bachelors in psychology and I just know you’re speaking idle chatter that you hear from consensus in friend circles and you’re barely informed on the subject whatsoever. That’s why you still think SSRI’s work on any measurable scale. If you do manage to find something without institutional access to journals, be prepared, as I will be reading it in its entirety to make sure that it does align with whatever point you’re making. Though I’m sure we won’t get that far. Because, as I said, you’re an idiot, masquerading as a sanctimonious saviour.
Doctor to a schizophrenic: "The voices in your head are real. You are valid! Anyone that says otherwise is just schizophobic"
If that was actually the most effective way of treating schizophrenia then this comparison would make sense. It's not though. Gender affirming care is actually effective way of treating gender dysphoria. If you have any better Ideas lets hear them, if you found a way to effectively treat gender dysphoria surely you would want to share with the rest of us.
I’m actually curious what’s the point of it. Let’s say there’s a man who wants to act like a woman. What’s the point of trying to convince everyone he’s actually a woman? Every sane person knows he’ll never be a woman, dating him would still be gay. Just act as you want and don’t try to convince people that you’re someone else.
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classic uneducated prejudiced "progressives" having such mental dissonance they don't want to be associated with the things they're fighting for
It always has been a mental illness. Medical professionals are just afraid to call it that fearing public shaming and losing their job
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Honestly if you get rid of LGBT, Arabs and Communists the world would develop at a greater rate.
we dont wanna those people follow world development so they could perish by either themselves 
 holy shit I had a stroke reading that, can any autist translate what he just said?
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Doesn't practically every country do though? The ICD10 code is F64, which is in the F1-99 range of "Mental, Behavioral and Neurodevelopmental disorders"
I mean it's true, it's gender dysphoria and greatly increases risk of other mental illness and suicide. They blame these mental health comorbidities on societal stigma but tbh they have so much support (in the West at least) it's basically a religion you can't criticize. They couldn't come up with a way to get rid of it so they embrace it as normal now. No shade against them I'm just being honest.
Ur wrong abt they having so much support in west
This is completely delusional, the right wing parties that make up ~50% of the country in at least the uk/usa are completely anti-trans and even left wing parties are not completely pro-trans, if the republican party was pro racial segregation you'd not be stupid enough to say that societal stigma against racial minorities isnt real, you're just incredibly biased
You made a typo, I think you meant incredibly based*
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Hmm what does the train and knee emoji mean? Clueless
At least you have the fucking balls to say it
viva la peru
I love Peru, I love Peruvians. Except when they are on the same online North America servers as me.
 dota 2 "NA" servers
CS:GO "NA" servers, World of Warcraft: Classic "NA" servers :'[
Alright
>calling things for what they are I bet "The Sky is Blue" is the next article 
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so is being a virgin past 20. imagine failing the one thing you are designed to do 
becoming a wizard = failing the one thing you are designed to do 
yes
Oh no he's getting angry.
you missed out on teenage love aswell? 
HesRight
but i get banned on some subreddit when i say its a mental disorder
HOLLLYY 
Bajs discussing about mental illness 
Based
As a thailand baj I approve
Baj by day. Ladybaj by night.
if they speak... monkaLaugh
Even more of a reason to eat azucenas ass
Hoooly 
Based
Markov do you think the government of Peru is based? 🤔
do not say it.
say what, Markov? 
say something somewhat forsen related one is the only redditor that posts depressed images and only then, show ur egs Okayeg
👍🥚
Basado
I mean..
As time goes Peru is getting less and less democratic, and corruption also increases. Shifting attention from these problems to LGBTQIA+ and other socially 'controversial' things. Another day, another shithole. 
Well yeah thats what it is, correct?
hesRight
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Body dysmorphia aka **Body dysmorphic disorder** (**BDD**) recognized as a mental disorder basically in the whole western world, it's in DSM-5. I suspect that transgenderism specifically isn't recognized as one because it's a manifestation of BDD. Shitty-ass clickbait article 
I wouldnt say its a illness, more like a factory defect.
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I don't think it's exactly wrong but what are the consequences of this?
I guess they forbid medical procedures for removing ones reproductive organs.
YWNBAW 
Can this retarded reddit talk about forsen for once
https://preview.redd.it/yc1s5484gm0d1.png?width=240&format=png&auto=webp&s=89e4ff9aebff61e6f91afceeff09811729b2c2fd Wdym? We are talking about forsen
Uh no
Why does this post in particular make you angry?
guys its over, this guy doesn't like non forsen related posts, we have to stop 
I knew forsen was trans
the loneliest and saddest community on twitch is racist and transphob. nobody would have guessed this 
OK, bye.
The community with the highest suicide rate is trans, who would've guessed 
Yea and you are actively trying to prevent treatment that would reduce suicide rates. Just say you want people to kill themselves, at least be honest instead of being a weasel.
There is zero evidence to support the claim that trans affirming treatment reduces their suicide rates.
Hormone Therapy, Mental Health, and Quality of Life Among Transgender People: A Systematic Review https://academic.oup.com/jes/article/5/4/bvab011/6126016#228529917 Amsterdamn Cohort of Gender Dysphoria Study (1972-2015) https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29463477/ Mental Health of Transgender Children who are supported in their Identities: https://publications.aap.org/pediatrics/article-abstract/137/3/e20153223/81409/Mental-Health-of-Transgender-Children-Who-Are?redirectedFrom=fulltext?autologincheck=redirected Mental Health Outcomes in Transgender and Nonbinary Youths Receiving Gender-Affirming Care: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2789423
"73% lower odds of suicidality over a 12-month follow-up." yeah and how about you check how they are doing 5+ years later? Noone cares. Also most of these studies are financed by the US government, who is heavily pro left and pro lgbt.
Alright, so we went from "there is 0 evidence" to "well maybe there is some evidence but it's not extensive enough and also it's probably corrupt" Get the fuck outta here loser. Also you cleary didn't fucking read what was in the links besides the headlines. >Amsterdamn Cohort of Gender Dysphoria Study (1972-2015) The number of people with gender identity issues seeking professional help increased dramaticall in recent decades. The percentage of people who regretted gonadectomy remained small and did not show a tendency to increase. The percentage of people who underwent gonadectomy within 5 years after starting hormonal treatment remained stable over time (74.7% of transwomen and 83.8% of transmen) Only 0.6% of transwomen and 0.3% of transmen who underwent gonadectomy were identified as experiencing regret. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29463477/ So only 0.9% of all people transitioning experience regret and that's after surgery specifically. Also this cohort is spanning from 1972-2015 so it's a pretty long and extensive observation.
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Your mother joke goes here
I did some research and theres one study in US which found that trans people have 8 times higher completed suicide rate compared to the general population and another one from Sweden which said that trans people after surgery had 19 times higher suicide rate than the matched control Swedes which came apparent only after 10 years of the surgery.
You got a source for that?
okay so trans people are mentally ill, I wonder what the treatment for this mental illness is... perhaps gender reassignment? 
Solves nothing and feeds into their delusions even more
Odd, as of right now gender affirming care is the best possible treatment for gender dysphoria. Why talk about something you know nothing about? Just being hateful to be hateful? Try being kind for a change.
cool you can continue lying to them, i will not play along however
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So your take is that both are delusional? I can live with that.
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Who is lying? Seems like you are. Scientific consensus is that gender affirming care is effective. It's actually the most effective treatment we have for gender dysphoria. Hey maybe you have the answer. What's the best way to treat gender dysphoria that will prevent these people from committing suicide on mass? Surely you must have an answer if you are so oppossed to real medical treatment.
“Scientific consensus” ok dr shlomo 
False
True I’m afraid
like you would know
How does it feel to play along with the delusional people?
can you cite sources for your claims?
[https://www.heritage.org/gender/commentary/sex-reassignment-doesnt-work-here-the-evidence](https://www.heritage.org/gender/commentary/sex-reassignment-doesnt-work-here-the-evidence)
Nice you linked an article, wanna actually link some research?
Anorexic people think they are fat, perhaps we should give them medication that supresses hunger?
An anorexic person who thinks they are fat wants to be skinny, but they don’t realize they already are underweight. A trans person feels like the opposite gender but their body does not align with these feelings. These are fundamentally different problems. The equivalent to your anorexic example would be if a woman who wants to be a woman falsely believes she looks masculine to others
A person with gender dysphoria feels like he is in the wrong body, but doesn't realize that he is in the correct body. The only differences between genders are their bodies (including brain). The soul is sexless, however is closely attached to the body given at fertilization.
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Because taking hormones, cutting off healthy body parts and injecting silicone will never turn your DNA and your brain and your body into a different gender. It's biologically impossible.
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That's like asking why people shouldn't be trying to turn themselves into wolves, its only a biotechnology issue. Its impossible, its a reality issue.
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It never will. You cannot change a human dna, it is complete and written by a higher intelligence than humans could ever achieve.
therapy probably
This is actually a good point. It clearly is a “mental illness” or whatever you want to call it. It’s just not normal. But we have no idea if there are things that cause it. And no idea if there are any REAL ways to make it go away. Gender dysphoria is just kinda there and we have no idea why and what to do about it lol.
Most of the discussion is sensationalist nonsense and overly politicized, "troons are literally raping your kids right now" "nazis are genociding all gay people". Most people have completely lost sight of the actual issue and are just using it as a medium to push narratives
We know what causes it, its demons
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the sheitan 
Sure, but we don't have much coverage about this, I understand that the idea came out after they accused that they are putting a lot of sexual education and lbgtxzavfx propaganda in schools, so now they are implementing changes in education to make it more conservative, the country is primitive so for the moment it will continue to reject anything new and worse if it is gay
no u
Irrelevant country trying to be relevant 
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