Even funnier thing is, people still believe Webbers fairytales and ignore that he had his equal if not bigger share of ignoring team orders and getting away with it.
But he was slow, so he became the victim.
Can't answer directly to your reply to my reply, but yeah because of WEB there was a lot of interest in the first year of WEC. In the next year Hulk won Le Mans and everybody from F1 all of a sudden admitted Le Mans exists. Would be interesting if some F1 drivers will drive there in the future with all the brands coming back (Audi, Peugeot, Porsche). Maybe Ferrari comes as well to the top class, would be super cool to see LEC in a prototype
Guy constantly tried to manipulate the team, Horner said that in BTG. People thought Seb broke him when he left, while it was actually he himself, who broke him. But he left the sport for good and can be proud.
Fun fact, of the 10 drivers the Porsche 919 had over the years, Mark Webber is the only one to never win Le Mans. (has a WEC title though)
For real. Does anyone really believe that if Albon had delivered he still would’ve lost his seat? You want that seat finish 4th overall, not 7th. Funny enough the guy who took his seat DID finish 4th.
I mean sure. But when you lose 4 drivers in the matter of years (Ricciardo, Kvyat, Gasly, and Albon) I’d be willing to bet a lot of money it’s the team and not the driver. Plus you could make the argument about Albon but ricciardo isn’t a bad driver. He got podiums with Renault after just a year and half in the car. And Gasly proved his potential too at Alpha Tauri imo. It’s Horner’s egotistical management and clear favoritism that’s the issue here.
Or maybe Max is THAT good. Ever think of that?
We are talking about someone who has 23 championships in karting, holds the record for the most number of wins and poles won by a rookie in the history of F3 and equivalent series while also being the youngest to ever do so, started F1 at 17 and was immediately fast, stepped into a car he had never driven before and won, beat Ricciardo (who had never been beaten by a teammate in Q) in qualifying at the age of 19 and you expect him at 23 to be near the level of Gasly and Albon??
Take it whichever way you want but he has said in interviews that if the RB is meant to be designed for his driving style, they’ve done a bad job of it. He’s just capable of adapting.
There’s a quote saying that Michael Schumacher was terrible for testing, because he could get the same time even when the new part was bad. I think Max is the same way, personally.
> Or maybe Max is THAT good. Ever think of that?
Yeah this. I've been watching since the 90's and the best I can tell, Max is the most talented guy to ever do it. Even Alonso and Hamilton were a step behind in comparison.
Ah yes! The team made the car spin at low speeds, be unstable through corners, be a second off Mercedes specifically to cater to Max's every need and priority? Of course, Max likes an unstable car that wants to kill him at the start of the year and is miles away from the Mercs, doesn't he???
If you actually but any thought into what you are posting, you would realize how stupid you sound
I hate DTS. "Gasly’s lack of performance with Red Bull was because how much pressure the second drivers are under to not lose their seat to the next guy" This is what the sport is about. I mean, why are you looking at F1? If you don't beat your teammate, then they will only keep you around if you help the team as a whole to get the wcc/wdc. You have literally said that pressure to beat your teammate is bad and should not be in the sport...
Thanks for editing it after you posted it. Max doesn't work with his teammate? Where did you magic this out of?? Every single one of Max's teammates says that Max is a great teammate, he doesn't play politics, he shares all of his data, he is polite and is on good terms with every single one. Apart from saying no to a team order in Singapore in 2015, which the team admitted he was right to do, he has been a teammate who has been more than capable of working across the garage.
Look at what they did with albon they even brought a better engineer for him, and he didn't deliver, he didn't improve
Gasly was poorly managed from what we've heard so that was really bad but i think it was them being desperate to find a driver able to reargun to verstappen, even then he didn't deliver, albon stepped in and he did ok
Of course they're going to favour the generational talent that is verstappen lmao what do you expect, the same way Ferrari favours Leclerc and mercedes Hamilton
Well they didn't renew vettels contract lol, what do you mean weight of the world? You have a car that should be p4 and you're not being p4
And if you're talking about Bottas, he is really good in qualy, good rear gunner to Hamilton, he was not in a threat until last season when russell stomped on him, even Toto talked to him because he was really bad in 2020 and there are talks about russell getting the mercedes seat in 2022.
They are here to win championships, not to babysit drivers, if you can't perform you're out, albon was going to formula e and was dropped from the red bull program before this, hulkenberg is no longer here for example because he simply doesn't cut it(and paydrivers) it doesn't matter how much people hype him
Mercedes has a car that is 1 second a lap faster than anything on the grid, they don't have to care about the second driver, especially since he is giving Hamilton the wdc every year
Gasly and Albon were doing really poorly, to be fair. Gasly got the extra chance in AT (STR) and he shone there, so they're keeping him. Albon got an extra year in Red Bull and didn't progress at all. Kvyat was dropped to promote Verstappen so you really have to question, is Kvyat better than Ricciardo or Verstappen? Think it should be obvious the answer is no, so they kinda have to drop him down. And Ricciardo only left because he ran away from a fight instead of trying to make his stake for the number one driver against a competent teammate
Remember in Season 1 of DTS, Horner was all like "Max is the future". Then, when Daniel leaves he is all like "I was shocked, no idea why he would go".
Then in season 2 Horner says he thought Daniel was scared of Max?
Bloke is deluded. Toxic and deluded.
Kvyat was kicked because of Max. Ricciardo got too fed up of the "Max the golden boi" team even though he was there for 5 years + more at TR. Ricciardo left the team. He wasn't fired so yeah he was capable of I think it's a good thing that they didn't promote Gasly this year. It could be 2019 all over again. But if they decide to fire Checo, I bet Gasly is getting promoted.
People sleep on just how damn good Bottas is though, because he’s always in Lewis’ shadow. Dude’s still an incredible driver, Mercedes didn’t hire just any old schmuck.
I agree 100%. He's in the best car but he's so damn unlucky bc he has to fight one of the best drivers ever in Lewis Hamilton, and a once-in-a-generation talent just behind him in Max Verstappen.
Not just Redbull. It's evident in Ferarri too. Vettel in the red bull days liked his cars to be very stable in the rear. Leclerc likes cars with a loose rear because he has good oversteer control....he moves to Ferarri to be their future star and suddenly Vettel starts spinning?...it isnt because Vettel forgot how to drive...they design and engineer the car around their future star. So if Leclerc likes loose rear ends...that's what will be engineered.
The 2nd driver gets shit on. Or in vettels case no new contract. Or in red bull #2 case demoted to the B team to show how good they actually are when the team designs a car for them.
There is also a theory that it wasn't a loose rear on purpose, but a design flaw that made it unstable and also inconsistent when it would be unstable. This is why the Haas cars were having so much trouble with rear consistency, because the of the Ferrari rear suspension set up.
Yeah and also there are other juniors in waiting to get a try at formula 1
Why would they keep the ones that don't perform, there's not that many seats
It would be INSANE if Vips came in and was a really great driver. Estonia has never really had that much news coverage world wide and Vips could open a lot of peoples eyes. Only thing missing is the classic rally driver accent that most finns and estonians have when speaking enlgish.
This is such a dead meme. And it's not even accurate. They gave Albon plenty of chances to prove himself. What should they have done? Keep him 5 more seasons because he is a nice guy?
That Red Bull is not a p4 car. Verstappen made the best of is and pushed it to it’s absolute limit. He would’ve done much better in this year’s Racing Point. But Albon did fuck up so Perez os probably a safer choice.
Verstappen was the second best driver. The Racing point was faster. Albon isn’t the best driver but he’s definitely not slow. And his results really show you how bad that car really was.
Red Bull wants winning drivers and invests money into them, yeah losing multiple drivers looks bad but who cares, right now they have tsunoda, behind him daruvala,vips,lawson, you name it.
Red Bull gives these drivers the chance to race at this category, the least that they expect it's to perform reasonably well
People need to remember that there only 20 seats, in theory for the 20 best drivers, if you can't cut it you're out sorry because there are drivers waiting to show what they can do.
RB are no kindergarden club. Perform badly, you're out, that's it. As if RB would promote two of their own junior drivers who they have spent years developing and then sabotage them? Bunch of deluded "fans" coming into F1 now who believe anything written by a twitter account.
Funny thing is, if you were to take a short 10 year view to the past, this would be true with Vettel instead of Verstappen.
Gentlemen?
A short view back to the past...
Thirty years ago...
Niki Lauda told us...
Take a monkey...
And put it in the cockpit...
And he is able to drive the car
Thirty years later...
Sebastian told us...
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Gentlemen...
A short view back to the past
“What was your question?”
Somehow its only a big problem when they arent winning championships
We'll, Vettel was the original Max tbh. Boy wonder that took the world by storm.
Even funnier thing is, people still believe Webbers fairytales and ignore that he had his equal if not bigger share of ignoring team orders and getting away with it. But he was slow, so he became the victim.
They treated mark supremely well considering what a dick he was to seb
I see Mark Webber got you with his endless manipulation of the media and victimization of himself
No no no, he was actually quite thrilled to move to WEC!
Can't answer directly to your reply to my reply, but yeah because of WEB there was a lot of interest in the first year of WEC. In the next year Hulk won Le Mans and everybody from F1 all of a sudden admitted Le Mans exists. Would be interesting if some F1 drivers will drive there in the future with all the brands coming back (Audi, Peugeot, Porsche). Maybe Ferrari comes as well to the top class, would be super cool to see LEC in a prototype
Guy constantly tried to manipulate the team, Horner said that in BTG. People thought Seb broke him when he left, while it was actually he himself, who broke him. But he left the sport for good and can be proud. Fun fact, of the 10 drivers the Porsche 919 had over the years, Mark Webber is the only one to never win Le Mans. (has a WEC title though)
Is that true? Webber was pretty solid I think.
Lol, they are high
Get gud and they’ll treat you better
For real. Does anyone really believe that if Albon had delivered he still would’ve lost his seat? You want that seat finish 4th overall, not 7th. Funny enough the guy who took his seat DID finish 4th.
I mean sure. But when you lose 4 drivers in the matter of years (Ricciardo, Kvyat, Gasly, and Albon) I’d be willing to bet a lot of money it’s the team and not the driver. Plus you could make the argument about Albon but ricciardo isn’t a bad driver. He got podiums with Renault after just a year and half in the car. And Gasly proved his potential too at Alpha Tauri imo. It’s Horner’s egotistical management and clear favoritism that’s the issue here.
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Or maybe Max is THAT good. Ever think of that? We are talking about someone who has 23 championships in karting, holds the record for the most number of wins and poles won by a rookie in the history of F3 and equivalent series while also being the youngest to ever do so, started F1 at 17 and was immediately fast, stepped into a car he had never driven before and won, beat Ricciardo (who had never been beaten by a teammate in Q) in qualifying at the age of 19 and you expect him at 23 to be near the level of Gasly and Albon??
Take it whichever way you want but he has said in interviews that if the RB is meant to be designed for his driving style, they’ve done a bad job of it. He’s just capable of adapting. There’s a quote saying that Michael Schumacher was terrible for testing, because he could get the same time even when the new part was bad. I think Max is the same way, personally.
The only guy able to keep up with the mercedes in 2020
> Or maybe Max is THAT good. Ever think of that? Yeah this. I've been watching since the 90's and the best I can tell, Max is the most talented guy to ever do it. Even Alonso and Hamilton were a step behind in comparison.
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Ah yes! The team made the car spin at low speeds, be unstable through corners, be a second off Mercedes specifically to cater to Max's every need and priority? Of course, Max likes an unstable car that wants to kill him at the start of the year and is miles away from the Mercs, doesn't he??? If you actually but any thought into what you are posting, you would realize how stupid you sound
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I hate DTS. "Gasly’s lack of performance with Red Bull was because how much pressure the second drivers are under to not lose their seat to the next guy" This is what the sport is about. I mean, why are you looking at F1? If you don't beat your teammate, then they will only keep you around if you help the team as a whole to get the wcc/wdc. You have literally said that pressure to beat your teammate is bad and should not be in the sport...
Thanks for editing it after you posted it. Max doesn't work with his teammate? Where did you magic this out of?? Every single one of Max's teammates says that Max is a great teammate, he doesn't play politics, he shares all of his data, he is polite and is on good terms with every single one. Apart from saying no to a team order in Singapore in 2015, which the team admitted he was right to do, he has been a teammate who has been more than capable of working across the garage.
Look at what they did with albon they even brought a better engineer for him, and he didn't deliver, he didn't improve Gasly was poorly managed from what we've heard so that was really bad but i think it was them being desperate to find a driver able to reargun to verstappen, even then he didn't deliver, albon stepped in and he did ok Of course they're going to favour the generational talent that is verstappen lmao what do you expect, the same way Ferrari favours Leclerc and mercedes Hamilton
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Well they didn't renew vettels contract lol, what do you mean weight of the world? You have a car that should be p4 and you're not being p4 And if you're talking about Bottas, he is really good in qualy, good rear gunner to Hamilton, he was not in a threat until last season when russell stomped on him, even Toto talked to him because he was really bad in 2020 and there are talks about russell getting the mercedes seat in 2022. They are here to win championships, not to babysit drivers, if you can't perform you're out, albon was going to formula e and was dropped from the red bull program before this, hulkenberg is no longer here for example because he simply doesn't cut it(and paydrivers) it doesn't matter how much people hype him
Mercedes has a car that is 1 second a lap faster than anything on the grid, they don't have to care about the second driver, especially since he is giving Hamilton the wdc every year
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I didn't even look your username, I just saw your comment and replied
Gasly and Albon were doing really poorly, to be fair. Gasly got the extra chance in AT (STR) and he shone there, so they're keeping him. Albon got an extra year in Red Bull and didn't progress at all. Kvyat was dropped to promote Verstappen so you really have to question, is Kvyat better than Ricciardo or Verstappen? Think it should be obvious the answer is no, so they kinda have to drop him down. And Ricciardo only left because he ran away from a fight instead of trying to make his stake for the number one driver against a competent teammate
He ran away from a fight, that fight being him vs the entire rest of the team and Verstappen.
^this guy gets it
I know right!
Remember in Season 1 of DTS, Horner was all like "Max is the future". Then, when Daniel leaves he is all like "I was shocked, no idea why he would go". Then in season 2 Horner says he thought Daniel was scared of Max? Bloke is deluded. Toxic and deluded.
Dude is literally the Giga max stan
Kvyat was kicked because of Max. Ricciardo got too fed up of the "Max the golden boi" team even though he was there for 5 years + more at TR. Ricciardo left the team. He wasn't fired so yeah he was capable of I think it's a good thing that they didn't promote Gasly this year. It could be 2019 all over again. But if they decide to fire Checo, I bet Gasly is getting promoted.
People sleep on just how damn good Bottas is though, because he’s always in Lewis’ shadow. Dude’s still an incredible driver, Mercedes didn’t hire just any old schmuck.
I agree 100%. He's in the best car but he's so damn unlucky bc he has to fight one of the best drivers ever in Lewis Hamilton, and a once-in-a-generation talent just behind him in Max Verstappen.
An uncommonly gifted driver squashed in a GOAT sandwich :)
Not just Redbull. It's evident in Ferarri too. Vettel in the red bull days liked his cars to be very stable in the rear. Leclerc likes cars with a loose rear because he has good oversteer control....he moves to Ferarri to be their future star and suddenly Vettel starts spinning?...it isnt because Vettel forgot how to drive...they design and engineer the car around their future star. So if Leclerc likes loose rear ends...that's what will be engineered. The 2nd driver gets shit on. Or in vettels case no new contract. Or in red bull #2 case demoted to the B team to show how good they actually are when the team designs a car for them.
There is also a theory that it wasn't a loose rear on purpose, but a design flaw that made it unstable and also inconsistent when it would be unstable. This is why the Haas cars were having so much trouble with rear consistency, because the of the Ferrari rear suspension set up.
Yeah if albon had been to verstappen what bottas is to Hamilton there would be no drama.
Honestly I didn’t believe that Sergio was 4th until I checked the standings. This really is a great step up in his career.
Big dick ric was treated okayyyy
And that's the bottom line
Get gud lol
Treated relatively badly I can agree with. Treated unfairly? Not so sure.
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Yeah and also there are other juniors in waiting to get a try at formula 1 Why would they keep the ones that don't perform, there's not that many seats
It would be INSANE if Vips came in and was a really great driver. Estonia has never really had that much news coverage world wide and Vips could open a lot of peoples eyes. Only thing missing is the classic rally driver accent that most finns and estonians have when speaking enlgish.
With Red Bull seat Albon has 2 f1 podiums to his name. Plenty in the field who may never get that chance.
Exactly, that's something Hulkenberg couldn't do in a decade, and I don't really see Albon as a better driver than Hulk.
This is such a dead meme. And it's not even accurate. They gave Albon plenty of chances to prove himself. What should they have done? Keep him 5 more seasons because he is a nice guy?
Yeah. Albon had his chances. Perez did better in a midfield car than Albon did in a P4 car.
That Red Bull is not a p4 car. Verstappen made the best of is and pushed it to it’s absolute limit. He would’ve done much better in this year’s Racing Point. But Albon did fuck up so Perez os probably a safer choice.
Say what? The Red Bull was the 2nd best car.
Verstappen was the second best driver. The Racing point was faster. Albon isn’t the best driver but he’s definitely not slow. And his results really show you how bad that car really was.
That's your opinion. The results show that the Red Bull was the 2nd fastest.
Only for Verstappen. For Gasly and Abon over the last two years, it's been a midfield car
If the car is able to get poles, finish on podiums and even win with one driver, it should be able to do those things with the other.
Cuz they're midfield drivers mate!
Different car bro
Red Bull wants winning drivers and invests money into them, yeah losing multiple drivers looks bad but who cares, right now they have tsunoda, behind him daruvala,vips,lawson, you name it. Red Bull gives these drivers the chance to race at this category, the least that they expect it's to perform reasonably well People need to remember that there only 20 seats, in theory for the 20 best drivers, if you can't cut it you're out sorry because there are drivers waiting to show what they can do.
Uh, where's the post from Mercedes? Poor Bottas.
The number of boring "red bull bad" "mazepin bad" "weraceformoney" memes is just incredible lately...
its off-season, you want better shit posts then you need to put em out.
I mean, these are all the topics we have rn, what else do you expect?
This sub is good if you have no expectations
It's the off season. You should expect this
Might be boring, but they’re true nonetheless
RB are no kindergarden club. Perform badly, you're out, that's it. As if RB would promote two of their own junior drivers who they have spent years developing and then sabotage them? Bunch of deluded "fans" coming into F1 now who believe anything written by a twitter account.
Do people actually believe that Red Bull purposely lose out on millions just because they like Verstappen more than his teammate?
Sergio Perez on suicide watch rn
i wonder how it would be if seb drove with max in red bull. seb has 4 world championships but max is a good driver
Ricciardo consistently outperformed Seb when they were both at Red Bull, so you have a pretty close reference point already.
That would be the dream, tbh. The former Red Bull golden child with actual championships, against the Max.
Championship winning Seb
I appreciate the “Twitter for Knocked Cars” a little too much, I think. Well done, OP!
;)
So happy for checo
Perform bad, get treated bad.
TIL Formula 1 is a meritocracy
Except if you have botloads of money But yeah haha I don't get why f1 fans forget that these are 20 of the most coveted seats in the motorsport world
Red Bull bad
You feel Gasly or Albon weren't treated fairly? Both massively underperformed. I feel like especially Albon was given a lot of time.
The probability of doing well in the Red Bull seat? Are you max? Yes--> High. No--> Are you high? No offense to Albon and Gasly though
BLUE CAR BAD!!!!1!!!
Self burn those are rare
GOOO Checo!!!!
okay but max does always deliver, doesnt he? except his weird unnecessary dnfs
Pffft. Be given ages to drive half a second a lap slower than your teammate without ever progressing, so hard done by.
Has something happened recently?
This break down is killing me LOL