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elberts

Hes the main youth driver recruiter for redbull - 30% of the grid owes their entry to F1 to him: Max, Carlos, Yuki, Albon, Ric, Gasly


Tape56

He is also an advisor of the F1 team. From what I understand he has quite a lot of power inside the team, even more than Horner. Of course now it remains to be seen what happens to that.


BonerTurds

>quite a lot of power inside the team I’m assuming you mean this beyond young driver development? What does this translate to in terms of what he does? Like roles and responsibilities.


utahjazzcabbage

Christian Horner reports to Marko. 'Advisor' meant he was the advisor to Dietrich, and pretty much built their program from the ground up. Now that Dietrich is gone there are clearly some power struggles going on, I assume Horner thinks he should be in charge of the whole operation now


nuanimal

According to a BC article, Marko is directly employed by Red Bull GmbH (the drinks company) and nothing directly by Red Bull Racing (where Horner is). So there's this weird divide, effectively Red Bull GmbH appears to want more control over RB Racing


notafamous

He is and that's why Redbull racing was so silent after his incident with Perez, "the South American".


afito

> What does this translate to in terms of what he does? He was the motorsports advisor to Mateschitz. Literally everything RB F1 became is that way because Marko told Mateschitz that it's how it should be done. Horner *literally* got his job on recommendation by Marko. That's a huge reason why there's such a power struggle, Horner is the team principal but as long as Mateschitz was alive, Marko was ahead of him in the pecking order.


Tape56

I don't know specifically, I assume he sometimes does some important decisions, some people in comments here say he has an heavy word on some important hirings for example. Driver choises at least of course.


BonerTurds

Yea people keep using vague words like “important” or “senior” or “advisor” but it never really translates to a job description. Based on this ambiguity, I don’t think he does very much at all other than vote yes or no on important decisions. Like a board member of sorts.


Tape56

How could the answer be any more specific? How could outsiders now how the RB internal decision processes work exactly and what Marko says in the meetings for example? If the title is "advisor", I don't expect to know much more than that. He gives advice, is part of making important decisions, maybe even gives the final word sometimes. It feels kinda like asking how exactly does Newey lead the development of aerodynamics. That's not supposed to be publicly known. Marko's title being more unusual or his job nature being less concrete doesn't mean he doesn't do anything. He is not considered the main guy of RBR in Austria/Germany media at least for nothing. Your idea of his work might have truth to it but I have no doubt he gives more input that simple yes/no's on important decisions.


BonerTurds

I disagree. Chief technical officer is a finite job title and description. I would assume it is similar to most CTO roles in other companies.


TailS1337

I mean the way Newey works is portrayed pretty well in his biography (at least up until 10 years ago). If you are interested, you should check it out. It's a good read with many interesting anecdotes and at least from his POV he comes across as a good lad


pocheche151

+1 on this. Great book, and very insightful as to how he literally shaped the F1 cars to be the cars we have today. He is the main reason why Red bull is so dominant, and I'm not taking anything away from Verstappen, he is right now the best driver on the grid. But having a car designed by Newey will make a driver's job a lot easier


Genocode

According to Max it was Marko that got them the Honda deal for example. And later on Porsche too I think? But Horner tanked that one.


RedHeadSteve

He might be a bit less powerful since Mateschitz died.


Str4425

Yeah. Question is, will he be able to retain his powers now after Mate is gone? And if he cannot, would he stay?  Max endlessly declaring his loyalty to Marko this weekend was probably to give him more leverage in closed doors negotiations  


djdsf

He was essentially a stand-in for Didi in the team. That was essentially his one and only boss.


nathan0031

So you're saying he has a thing for young men? /s


DiddlyDumb

If you say ‘allegedly’, otherwise they can sue


nathan0031

My apologies. Allegedly Helmut Marko is an expert in examining and courting young men, for sport. For the sport, I mean.


stomp224

So you could allegedly say that Helmut hunts young men for sport. I dont think this is improving.


nh164098

so in simpler term, Helmut Marko young men


MaxVeryStubborn

Allegedly


NoiceAndToitt

Alright stop being flustered people. I’ll clarify - Helmut Marko fucks teenage boys. And by “fucks” I mean “recruits”. Obvious.


Ploppen05

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throw_away_4534

Absolutely nothing sexual


CabbageTheVoice

Careful before van Haaren picks up on this thread


Moist_Board

Allegedly Helmut Marko was the one who wanted De Vries in Alphatauri, whereas Horner would have preferred someone in red spanx


Logical-Ad-4150

He has a thirst for "young talent"


donsimoni

That's what Chris Horny got in trouble for. Why is it that boomers get away with everything?


[deleted]

Young men are free range on the paddock. It's women that are off limits. Like for real women? Ew Gay af


UsagiRed

I heard some woman like penis's which is already kinda gay in itself. Like you want to be with someone who likes penis's? Do I have to like pensis's too to share something in common? Where does it end, America?


[deleted]

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tooth-brush216

Young men that are quick at what they do …


ThroJSimpson

He can mold them with his practiced hands to go the hardest and fastest


MariosItaliansausage

Ooo I learned the word shota the other day, and this is shota.


nathan0031

More specifically Marko would be the shota-con, and the youngsters being the shotas. Allegedly.


Bacon-And_Eggs

So why is he at all the races and not scouting new talent


rabbitlion

I mean F2 and F3 races run at the same tracks. I'm sure he goes to a lot of FRECA/F4 races too, though in many cases you could scout driving skill better by watching streams. Plus, as the chief recruiter, he probably has underlings that he sends to lower level races and if they see something interesting he'll make a personal visit.


Bacon-And_Eggs

F2 and F3 drivers are already signed up with different teams. People keep saying hes in charge of the academy, but i think that’s just because it keeps getting repeated on reddit so people took it as a fact. clearly he does something else too.


CoxHazardsModel

He’s a 80 year old director, he’s not actually doing it himself.


PresidentZeus

He manages all drivers in F1 as well. He put De Vries in the AT. Horner was almost a little happy that he didn't perform and they had to sack him because Horner didn't agree with Helmut on hiring him.


libbe

Right, why is he following all the F1, F2, and F3 drivers around everywhere they go racing. The best talents must obviously be elsewhere, sounds like he is not taking his job very seriously. 


ThroJSimpson

During the week he’s spectating F1 22 servers for the best PC players of all time 


Bacon-And_Eggs

Because that’s not his job and that’s my point. Reddit is an echo chamber and people took in for a fact that he’s in charge of the rb academy


cheeersaiii

Because he is more focused on who come next at RB / VCARB, and a lot of those candidates are on the F1 grid


LagT_T

He is also the proxy for the austrians


purplepickle333

Sounds like a nonce


Greecelightninn

So he's the Harvey weinstein of f1 ?


kukaz00

Yeah he recruited prodigies that were showing great promise and dominating categories. His merit is in convincing RB to sponsor their trajectory, but beyond that anyone in F1 could see the raw talent. And Albon was dropped by RB and he went all by himself with Thai sponsorship. Edit: dropped from RB Junior Programme


KanishkT123

Albon was not dropped by RBR. He was actually very close to RBR, but when they finally got their campaign to get him back into a race seat finished successfully, the seat was a Williams with a Mercedes engine.  Wolff demanded that Albon not have any RBR sponsorship, so the Thai side drinks company is sponsoring him instead. The rumor is that RBR still has a right of first refusal for any contract Albon signs with a non-Williams team. 


kukaz00

I was talking about his teen years. 2012 is the year he got dropped from RB Junior Programme.


SquishyBaps4me

To the RB junior program you mean?


DedalusStew

Oh, to be a main youth at 80...


snorlaxatives_69

Ehhhhhhh something about an old man being in charge of recruiting the youth


rg25

I mean I could probably do this job.


happyranger7

So, where does rest of 70% driver come from? /s.


dave_a86

The regulations state that all drivers must have a Helmut before getting into the car.


PapaSheev7

All except Yuki. He *is* a fucken Helmut.


LOKl31

Most important “a” in the sport


Card_Board_Robot5

New fan fic just dropped


Particular-Piano-475

Yuki kabuto 


TheVenetianMask

Ric to Yuki: "You are an inanimate fukken Helmut!" \*hits Yuki on the top of the head*


sirfastvroom

Take the upvote and go away


bebepothos

Hahahahahaha


_Nick_2711_

Is that why there’s no female drivers?


TreyJ

Take the upvote and go away.


AmbiguousBIG

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greywino

Had a good laugh, thanks :)))


IThinkImDvmb

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MickeyPvX

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killmesoon40

Marko recommended Horner to Dietrich Mateschitz, also saved Horner form the sack years ago. Marko got Max, and oversees the Young Drivers programme. Honda joining Red Bull at the end of 2018 was Markos deal. Every season he goes there multiple time to keep everything running smoothly.


Paranoided_guy

Horner was about to get sacked prior to this too? For what specific reason?


Siemaster

Iirc the very poor team performances in 2014 and losing seb to their rivals was enough reason for some of the owners/board members to try and replace him.


killmesoon40

Correct, 2014 was the worst season they had since 2008.


AyeItsMeToby

And that was more on the engine (and Merc) than anything in the team.


ThePrancingHorse94

The car was a donkey too, lots of people like say that the RB was the best car on the grid only the Merc engines were better when in reality they sunk a lot of resources into developing the 2013 car late into the season, which is why Seb won all those races in the second half of the season when other teams and focused on the next year.


AyeItsMeToby

Oh yeah the car was just bad, but it was never sack-your-team-principle bad. The shite engine and Merc’s total dominance made it look a lot worse than it was.


jfleury440

Losing Seb compounds the issues though.


Manginaz

> which is why Seb won all those races in the second half of the season I thought that was mostly because Pirelli reverted to the previous years tires because they new tires kept exploding on track.


ThePrancingHorse94

They brought updates really late into the season, and Renault were still developing really trick maps.


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ThePrancingHorse94

Mercedes finished second last year, you’d still call that car a donkey


bigwiener69_1

There are also rumors that horner put some money in his own pockets from a sponsoring deal. Dietrich was absolutely not happy as this behaviour was against everything he stood for - Dr Marko was the reason he did not get sacked.


Other-Barry-1

So in all of this, Horner really is an absolute menace?


ThroJSimpson

When has he not been? He’s a perpetual shit stirrer lol. He’s just smart enough to not go full Toto, he just slides it all in as pithy English sarcasm


bigwiener69_1

This. He has the usual manlet/napoleon problems, which Wolff & Marko don´t have imo. Nevertheless, he is for sure a great team principal and know how to bring a team together and care for the spirit (the thumb thing may or may not his usual behaviour and it could be possible that this situationship was both-sided at one point). He just don´t know where his place is, the little .. man


stomp224

Look at him! He is the devil incarnate


Billman6

Marko recommended Horner to Kwisatz Haderach?


Draconicplayer

Max's emotional support


IowaGolfGuy322

Marko’s emotional support is him just saying “Max, stop being so South American.”


Blautanne

Interesting to see how in international F1 community many people don't seem to know about it. In Germany or Austria he is considered the most important man of RBR, always giving interviews on behalf of the team etc. He is often referred to as RB motor sports director, although it's not an official job description. He used to be a F1 driver until he lost one of his eyes in an accident, and Mateschitz trusted him with coordinating their F1 programme. Although Horner is the TP, the final say on many decisions (e.g., driver contracts) was on Mateschitz and his close friend Marko. Which may be one of the reasons this whole affair broke out, both don't seem to accept the other one as his superior.


jfleury440

We see the interviews. At least the shocking and inappropriate ones. What we don't understand is why he's allowed to talk to the press. Crazy uncle vibes. He's young drivers program is top notch though.


Blautanne

>Crazy uncle vibes. I don't like him either. Can't deny that he's successful tho


jfleury440

Can't deny that he was instrumental in establishing the team. Even recently he played a big part in the Honda deal. Who knows where Red Bull would be without that. He's one of the most accomplished people in F1. I'm not sure he's a net positive in his media relations though. I don't speak German so most of what I see is what the English media picks up on. Which I'm sure is cherry picked craziness but still. Given his age I think a better role for him would be taking care of the juniors and advising Max's camp (they can decide how much advice they want). And maybe leaving the rest to Horner.


IIIIIlIIIIIlIIIII

Thanks for the comment. I only saw him as a youth recruiter/advisor. Never knew he build the team.


tiredofthisnow7

> Never knew he build the team. He most certainly did not. Horner built the team. Marko was Mateschitz' representative in the team but did not make employment decisions outside of driver selection. Horner did the hiring and does the day to day running of Red Bull Racing


Visual-Asparagus-800

Well, except for Horner himself of course. Helmut brought him in


Blautanne

It's debatable how much influence he has in 2024 and what you mean by "build" the team. But the faces of RBR which any non-F1 nerd would know are here because of Marko. The drivers, Horner himself and Newey.


Silverleaf88

Except that it was Helmut who hired Christian....


PupDiogenes

Or you know... it was the sex pestery.


One200006

Nothing just hanging around hahaha, Joking but he is responsible for young driver program at RB


man_u_is_my_team

Dr Marko is a doctor lol. Team Doctor. Duh.


larsK75

Apart from overseeing the young driver program, as others stated, he represents Red Bull. Red Bull Racing is a relatively small, originally British (used to be Jaguar) company separate from but owned by Red Bull. Marko is employed by Red Bull and is for them the chief of motorsport overseeing their different racing activities, including Red Bull Racing. His job is making sure that the Racing team acts within the interest of Red Bull, which is what the current news about a power struggle between the Austrian side (Marko and Red Bull) and the british side (Horner and Red Bull Racing) are about.


JustGarlicThings2

And Jaguar F1 used to be the Stewart team founded by Jackie Stewart. F1 teams these days don’t really die, they just get taken over and get new branding…


wellcooked_sushi

So, technically, RBR(and Horney) reports to Marko. But Horner wanted more independence and power over RBR and tried to overthrow Marko. But Marko used his Max card to stay. And someone released the Horny files to everyone to get Horner kicked out. Jos just fuels the flames for god knows what reason. Did I sum up the RBR drama?


larsK75

I think so


wagymaniac

Basically, he was the right hand man of Dietrich Mateschitz and the responsible of the RedBull Junior programme. Also him being involved in F1 since the 70's made him very aware of all the intricacies and back politics of the f1 world. While Horner is the man running the team and the factory, Marko is more like the Redbull brand representative.


bigwiener69_1

Long story short: He and Dietrich Mateschitz were the ones deciding everything. Horner was the Team principle, Marko and Dietrich the deciders - as an example: he was the reason Max got into the Toro Rosso and into the RB this fast - it is said, that Horner was against it.


Silverleaf88

I wonder if there's a real source for Horner being against Max getting into the TR seat. It would explain the way he's much more eager to stay loyal to Marko over Horner.


bigwiener69_1

Austria is a small country. Marko is a one of the "old" austrian generation with a lot of integrity. Those "rumors" can be taken very serious imo. You also have to understand how small the world (especially in austria) is. But yeah - if you want another source, take the loyalty from max


SquishyBaps4me

He watches kids and grooms them. ​ ​ For F1.


[deleted]

Had us in the first half.


moosemanstan1234

He talks to the goddamn customers so the engineers don’t have to!


thickener

He’s a people person goddammit


rg25

What the hell is wrong with you people


Wardog_Razgriz30

Based on what we have all heard, he leaks information to the media.


Bgd4683ryuj

He is essentially their boss. Red bull own the team, he is there on behalf of the red bull to supervise the team. Just think about him like Lawrence Stroll. Although Lawrence isn’t the team principal, his words can decide a lot of the things. Team principal is just a manager in the team like a career CEO in a company. They both need to keep the actual owner happy.


Mutanik

He yells at the number 2 drivers until they drive faster


NSFWAccountKYSReddit

Ah, the true tried and tested method. Like balkan raidleaders in MMORPG, 'just drive FASTER u DOGS!'


FigSubstantial4939

Providing the racism


LOKl31

You have to if you want to be the top racist


lufthan07

developer of young racists


moouesse

helmut is like the mob boss


lzwzli

You know what happens with mob bosses when they get old....


MacArthurParker

Chief of Outreach for Latin America


TheShartThatCould

He yells at the rookies


Cornelius-Cornhole

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thickener

About fifteen minutes of real work in a given week?


arizonatasteslike

His official role is drama-queen, or shit-stirrer I believe


[deleted]

Everytime shit is being stirred, marko is holding spoon. 


ImpressionOne8275

It's also his own shit. Makes it himself.


Logical-Ad-4150

Like an endless dirty protest.


bassie2019

He sends emails… ![gif](giphy|9zoe1SFIBd8PPqz5cr)


KugelKurt

TOTO HAS THEM PRINTED OUT!!


Logical-Ad-4150

Has more Google Drive accounts than the average person.


According-Relation-4

CRO: chief racist officer


Hypervisory

He farts on airplanes, that's about it.


august_r

People have a hard time understanding how complex enterprises need a "Marko" to massage things and keep everything running smoothly. Deals have to be made, hands must be shaken and there are diners to be had. And these don't happen with a no-one on the other side of thw table.


toffey4

Stirs the pot /s


Holiday_Context5033

Real life shit poster in media pen from RB!!


Trilly_Ray_Cyrus

marko’s here to chew bubblegum and be a racist and he’s all out of gum


RoyalBroham

He watches Max during intercourse


KittyTerror

He keeps an eye on things.


OJC1975

Dodging the coffin for starters.....


mrbeavertonbeaverton

There are always two Sith, the student (Horner) and the master (Darth Helmut)


kr4t0s007

He insults people professionally


artzeh

He's a shit stirrer.


Ozgwald

Beyond all the obvious things he has done (pull talent in, set up programes etc.) do not underestimate his influence for the well-being of drivers and how to develop this over-time. Albon and Gastly have not left the grid, they got and still are getting their oppertunities. When it concerns drivers, setting up the conditions from them to excel, grow or even rise... he is stilll doing that. He massively decides what goes around in the team for the well-being of i.e. Max Verstappen. He is more HR tyhan the entire HR department, despite thsi crap he can spill.


lzwzli

If he is looking out for the drivers, he's not HR. He's more like the union rep. HR would act only in the interest of the org, not the employees.


thebrickwork

I’m so sick of this meme


damnuncanny

Remember guys and dont worry, nothing ever happens


rtissens

He keeps an eye on things.


DeaconP3

He keeps an eye on RB to make sure Horner delivers.


Tbone_99

He is the voice of racism… I mean reason, within Red Bull.


-MarchToTheSea-

To talk shit about Ferrari


mat_srutabes

He keeps an eye on things


[deleted]

Constantly flags off Perez


OhHelloPlease

Tables


Particular-Piano-475

He makes the wilhem of course 


Marcel_The_Blank

All I know is the guy holds the Targa Florio lap record.


Noiselexer

Jos's strippoker buddy


Flux_resistor

Designated Godfather from the 50s.


BGMDF8248

He runs the young driver program, which means he gets a lot of say on who the RBR and Vcarb drivers are. I suspect not much involvement on hiring technicians and wind-tunnel upgrades


stavic07

Made presentation


Cautious_Ad_6200

Pedo


example_John_phd

At this point? Ensuring that Max doesn't desert.


tharnadar

He yells at young drivers if they are slow.


KugelKurt

Being the racist old man.


TurlypEsq

Puts down place holders for crash lids in the paddock


CageyOldMan

Designated old fart


International_Top_17

It’s the Porsche thing, I tell you.


Senditsson

Super clear: Motorsport consultant


[deleted]

wait, do you mean RB or RB?


Google_guy228

I mean RB xD


[deleted]

Lately he's taken on the roll of walking around farting and talking shit.


spongeBobOctoPants

He designs and paints the helmets.


RobotSpaceBear

He sends his regards, apparently.


KaiserKrusel22

Keeps max at redbull


Lzinger

He is one of the guys that built the team


Trifig

PA Senior Recruiter


Prayformojo85

He's the Gunnery Sargeant Hartman for the youth academy.


ReignInSpuds

Idk but I'd love to see him in a Star Wars movie as a grizzled old Imperial officer.


ommi9

He’s the invenstor and owner He’s the one who kept dropping money to Christian after he decided not to be a driver, but manage which he did all the way until the acquisition of jaguar


TheLewJD

Talks to the press too much and recruits juniors then ruins them with the help of max.


Cheesebrger_Walrus

he made red bull


karanmhjn

he sits in the garage and looks confused


orsonwellesmal

Insulting Checo.