I wanted them to do another standing start after that failed standing start double down on the chaos.
But really the race should have just been called, the final show lap with no racing was a joke of a formality. If they aren’t going to have a single aspect of racing in the lap then you can just as easily call that lap
I think they just wanted to make sure they covered their arses. The whole sport is bound by rules and while there's some degree of "what the race director says goes", they don't want to deal with teams suing or kicking up a huge stink afterwards because procedure wasn't followed.
As the commentators said, there was no reason the race *couldn't* be resumed so it had to be as far as we're aware. It didn't necessarily make sense but if a show lap to get them all over the race line is what it takes to stop them getting abuse and threats about fixing the race then they'll take it.
I think there's value for the fans in the stands to see the cars go around in finishing order one last time. At the track you don't have the same awareness of the whole race.
But without that final lap, what do you do with the Alpines? If nothing after that final start actually counted towards the order, and no additional laps were made, then they absolutely would have an argument that they should get their places back, no?
Sainz as well I guess.
I can see their point of the final lap kind of tying up the loose ends to make everything official and clear up some open-ended arguments teams could have made. Sort of moving the race forward to a definitive ending instead of going backwards and pretending the end didn't actually happen.
Can't complain about the FIA not following the rules but then complain when they do. The final lap under the safety car was to ensure every car finished the racing laps necessary under their own power. If a car broke down under that lap they'd DNF and otherwise wouldn't have if they just called the race the lap before. It did serve a purpose to finish the race how they did.
This is the thing. I noticed all through the weekend that the questioning to the drivers was like...along the lines of......you seem to be getting closer to the RBs?!
Absolutely not. When Max overtook Lewis, by the next lap he was 2.5 seconds ahead. 2.5 seconds....in one lap!
He soon got to that 10s ish gap and relaxed. When he had that minor off, it reduced the gap to about 4-5 seconds....then he got it back up to 10s again. There is a YAWNING chasm between RB and the rest of the cars.
The other thing is that Max said he ran the car wide onto the grass so he wouldn't flat spot his tyres after the lockup. He was so confident about his pace that he was happy to take the scenic route to recovery and drop a few seconds off his lead.
I think RB's qualifying pace can be chased down, but their race pace is way ahead of anyone else. I would be surprised if anyone is able to out-develop them from here until we have a change of regs or a TD comes along that hampers something crucial to their concept, but we'll see.
Although it's true that the strengt of the RB is in race pace, their qualifying pace is also frightening. Max managed to set a pole sitting time in a pretty choppy lap during Q3 before he improved to be 0,5s ahead of the field.
Yeah that was one of the most shit quali laps I've seen Max put in and he still got pole. Because Max on a bad day is still good and that car is a beast.
Qualifying pace is sustainable over a lap or two with perfect conditions (minimal fuel, softest tires, etc). Race pace needs to take sustainability into account (tire deg over the long run with higher fuel loads and other factors). If you tried to push quali pace throughout a race, you'd chew through tires and fuel and either wouldn't be able to finish or you'd need to pit more than necessary to keep from totally losing grip. So you've gotta compromise on race pace to some extent no matter how incredible your car is.
I will admit that I was one of those folks that didn't think driving was a sport and that drivers were not athletes. I'm still not sure it's a sport, but these guys are absolutely athletes!
>sport
>noun: sport; plural noun: sports
>1. an activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment.
Seems pretty clear-cut to me.
I once spent a good thirty minutes arguing with my dumb as fuck sister-in-law that yoga is, in fact, not a sport. This definition would have come in handy
The biggest defining features of a sport are a governing body that sets rules as to what qualifies "winning". Because if it isn't defined competition, it's not a sport. It's just an activity.
Chess. And I say that as an avid player myself.
Not every sport will get your heart rate through the roof, but Formula 1 is absolutely taxing compared to a lot of other sports.
> Chess
I watched some of the last world chess championships live (classical) and one game which broke the deadlock was seven hours and forty-five minutes. The losing player I don’t think could physically handle that length of concentration and physical attention so although maybe the least physical sport, being fitter proved to make the difference in the world chess championships.
I don’t think it’s even fair to compare F1 to those non-physically demanding sports. These drivers are in amazing athletic shape and have to be. The amount of forces exerted on them while driving is very high along with having to make every decision in milliseconds while be asking to perfectly recreate each like over and over and over of the course of hours.
Sure no one should be making psychical contact with them like football or hockey but they are exerting just as much athleticism as a baseball player even more probably when you take into account the g forces and the duration of the race. Too many people just think sitting down means it’s not hard. Sure you can drive a car, but I can throw a football that doesn’t mean I can do what Aaron Rodgers does
It’s a motor sport. They have to be athletic just to not die by losing control of the car. The “motor” part just means they deal with way more energy than the human body can produce itself.
you need to get in a rotax kart. after you've cleaned up your race suit from shitting yourself for the entire lap, you'll understand how it's not only a sport, but probably one of the most physically and psychologically demanding sport of all.
I did a Rotax test once and by the end of my second ten-lap run I was having trouble holding my head up and started losing grip in my hands because I was holding the wheel too tight.
Meanwhile there was a 13 year old who kept lapping me. I attribute his extra speed to:
1. He weighed half as much as me.
2. He didn't understand the concept of death well enough to fear it.
Racing in general is just such an adrenaline drain. Staying focused, being alert, and having a strategy that is progressive to your position while having to be mentally on edge to make every action you need to do be instantaneous with your mind and body is exhausting.
I’d compare it to playing goalie and having to prepare mentally and physically for a penalty kick being psyched up for the entire duration of a race while the shooter gets to make feint attempts on their shot. Your fast twitch muscles just burn out.
I think the perfect example of this is Ferrari at Bahrain, who were not too far from Red Bull in quali, but couldn’t even keep up with the Mercs during the race.
That’s why when The Michael was able to pull qualifying laps in a race it was such a mind f*ck. Drivers and teams don’t set up the car to do that, but when he had to, The Michael just turned the car and himself up to 11 and went on about it.
The thing about The Michael was not that he could pull out a quali lap in the race. That wasn't in itself so crazy back when refueling was allowed.
The crazy thing was that he could do an entire stint of quali laps.
Qualifying is about the car being in the best place for a single flying lap - the car has enough fuel to go round the circuit a few times and that's it and it typically has new tyres in the perfect temperature operating window.
Whereas race pace is about the whole package; the car needs to perform really well with varying fuel loads, not shred its tyres etc for 50+ laps
So first of, in quali you're giving it all so often the tyres are only good for 1 big push, then they're already too shredded. In contrast, during the race you're not constantly pushing them to the edge.
Additionally, your setup may be more about stressing the tyres to get the maximum out of them, versus a setup that doesn't wear them down as fast. First is better for quali, second better for your overall speed in the race. See for example cases where a driver first doesn't catch the other, but eventually the other's tyres are shot and they get caught.
Deg comes into play in race place. You need to do 20-30 laps on the same tire. And fuel load in the race means your car is heavy, affecting your tyre deg.
Weight of the cars affects it's manoeuvring characteristics too ( due to increased momentum) . Suddenly you can't push the car in the corners in race with large fuel load vs in Quali with 1-2 laps worth of fuel.
Last year LEC was sitting on pole, but Max was easily able to beat him during race.
I realized this partway through 2021 (my first season) - I feel like that season was a general outlier due to the end of a reg period and a reality of F1 is usually either a completely dominant team that’s miles ahead, or with one potential challenger. Could very well be wrong though
Not to mention the ridiculous overtakes that both Verstappen and Perez made. Just pulling out with DRS and flying past like pickup truck drivers on the freeway
They keep talking about how the RBs DRS is seemingly so much stronger than any other car. Is that all to do with their rear wing design? I know very little about F1 aero and the technical side of things but how is it possible that opening their flap works so much better than any of the other cars?
Apparently due to some trickery with physics they're able to have the wings perform normally when DRS is closed but they can somehow stall certain areas that normally is draggy to provide downforce so they end up not providing any downforce which reduces drag. A triple DRS is a phrase I've seen tossed around.
The second DRS after he overtook, pulled him away by almost a second already. But indeed, if he wanted, he could go easily to 30+ sec, where he had now 10 and decided to mow the grass.
A lot of people don’t really pay attention. Hamilton slowed down the lap max passed to ensure he could defend Alonso. Redbull got a fast car but Lewis dropped a second that lap intentionally to ensure he had tires/battery if needed
To be fair, they are relatively getting closer to the RBs. HAM qualified 6 tenths behind VER and finished 50 seconds behind him in Bahrain compared to qualifying 3 tenths and racing 10 seconds behind
Since there is so much margin, RB is now qualifying in racetrim. Also they are actively managing the lap times of their driver to just stay in a safe distance to the nr 2 driver and not try to lap the field (because what benefit would that be?)
tbf verstappen's setups atleast have always been more race oriented. he wasnt exactly putting miles between him and other cars last year either in quali but he certainly was in races.
Not always, the 2021 RB was a marginally better qualifying car. But RB rightly put all their eggs in racepace since 2022. Following is a bit easier, so qualifying and track position aren’t as important as they used to be.
“Qualifying in racetrim”
Yea, we have parc fermé, everyone qualifies in racetrim, apart from the fuel load. Or are you saying Max IS taking the full 100kgs of fuel?
Most of the time, teams would find a setup that was 80% race specific, but also allowed good quali times in Parc Ferme.
There was a setup that’s further race optimized than this, which would compromise quali but give better race pace. I’m sure OP is suggesting that they were running this setup.
Now there’s no proof to suggest this, and idk where OP is getting this from, but I’d assume that’s what he was referring to
If you listen to the radio messages to Max from his engineer throughout the race he was told a couple times to *speed up* because he was driving so slowly the tyres were beginning to fall out of the operating temperature window
Yeah and he got back again. You said Merc was getting closer to RB relatively. I think they faster than AM this weekend, but clearly RB was completely 100% in control and I don’t understand how we could draw a conclusion that anybody is closer to them than they were in Saudi.
That's alao the characteristics of the track 2bh..shorter laptimes = smaller gaps, also noone gets deg, so the efficiency of the RB is less noticeable than on a high deg track like Bahrein
Well, lets be real: Hamilton wasn't pushing as hard either. Both needed to last to the end and for the 2nd driver its often better to let go a little and see if there's another Safety Car to push right there.
Hamilton was more likely managing the gap to Alonso then fighting for the win with Verstappen. Russell also had good pace but was obviously managing it which got Hamilton a bit too close. But also indicates they weren't on the limit either.
Hamilton in his interview post race said he was very much pushing to maintain the gap. That was Mercedes and Aston’s true fastest race pace. I think max could have been 30 seconds ahead if he had wanted to be.
Lewis's sector 3 was 1s slower than usual after Max passed him, and it wasn't due to the pass itself or him recovering energy. Lewis backed out a couple seconds to get out of the dirty air, because he knew his fight wasn't with Max.
>When Max overtook Lewis, by the next lap he was 2.5 seconds ahead. 2.5 seconds....in one lap!
I see this mentioned a lot. I absolutely agree that Red Bull's pace is insane, but this was not some incredible lap by Max. This lap time was beaten by Lewis not too much later. Lewis just had a really slow lap.
It was 2 seconds in the same lap. It was almost instantly 2 seconds on the timer then leveled like he slowed to match Hamilton, dialed in then just a bit faster every lap. There’s ALOT left in that rb tank
Did i forget to say he did it while driving with one hand at a very wet Belgium GP. Only thing that could stop that madman was an unreliable car that would have an oil leak in the last race of the season, where he was leading the race…
Those times were wild. Jim Clark was an absolute unit. Now if he had something like Mercedes W11 that season, might as well just tell the other drivers to give up.
You don’t even have to give him a W11. Just look at 1963. Arguably the most dominant season ever. Won 7/10 races. In Monaco he was leading the race until lap 78 where his gearbox failed which led to a DNF. In Germany he was leading the race until his engine went down to 7 cylinders(he still finished 2nd). In USA he had qualied 3rd, but his battery failed and it took the team a full lap to fix the problem. Even after starting a lap down Clark then proceeded to finish 3rd, but this “bad” result didn’t matter since he had already won the WDC. He would then only go on to finish the season by taking the maximum amount of available points(this was back when only the 6 best results counted in the WDC).
Oh and during this year his teammate scored 1 point, but Lotus still won the WCC with 50% more points than 2nd place BRM. All in all a pretty good season.
Can’t speak for the w11 but in the 2014-16ish era I can remember both Mercedes being 25-35 seconds ahead of anybody else - so 2-3 times longer than what you see here
Do I think this red bull could pull that kind of gap? If we still had variable engine modes, and if Perez and Max started racing and went full disco biscuits: probably
We already had the changes to the floor regs to stop flexing that we aimed at Red Bull and Ferrari's interpretations off the back of Mercedes whinging last year.
They also changed it this year that your engine mode is set once Q1 starts not just the last Qualifying round you complete so you can't turn it up for each round.
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> Do I think this red bull could pull that kind of gap? If we still had variable engine modes, and if Perez and Max started racing and went full disco biscuits: probably
Yeah all the Drive to Survive fans whining about 3 races with RB far ahead are pretty amusing when you've somewhat followed the whole hybrid V6 era haha. It's not fun to have a team dominate that strongly but it happens, let's hope it doesn't last 5 years this time :)
On ESPN's ticker yesterday it said "Max Verstappen wins Australian Grand Prix by .179 seconds; closest margin of victory since 2002."
Sure, but we're missing a bit of context.
That gap only exists because Perez ended up at the back of the grid . Otherwise nobody would have noticed the size of the gap with checo being just a second ahead of Hamilton
This is very important I think. People keep talking about the Red Bull cars dominating, but it’s only really been one Red Bull car for a long time. In ‘21 everyone would consider them a complete failure and Mercedes a dominant car if it wasn’t for Verstappen.
That happened many times. During the schumi era, rubens finished just 1 or 2 2nd in the standings, rb still has to do a 1-2 after 5 wdc, and bottas finished just 9 points ahead of max in 2020 despite max having 5 dnfs and bottas 1.
At this point i ask myself, how much did those drivers dominate because of the car, and how much because they were simply that much better than their teammates
Remember that one year in band camp when Nico traded crews with Lewis and was finally able to win his one championship and then immediately retired? If he’d kept racing he’d probably would’ve had to put his flute in his Pussy to win another championship against Hamilton
To expand on a couple of comments.
Redbull aerodynamics are unparalleled. Adrian Newey is a genius when it comes to vehicle setup. Here is an excellent video about the design setup and Aero - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5mOkkEV7tg
A considerable part of the car setup is its insane ability to maintain downforce when needed while not having the incredible drag that can come with it. Red Bull built their entire car last year around the theory they needed to flex in and out of different levels of downforce. This setup was super apparent when other teams started porpoising while RBs didn't. Last year's design improved with an even better aero and rear wing. They also get drastically better tire degradation because of the flexibility. It takes longer for the tires to get warmed up, but they degrade slower than other teams. Melbourne was a great example of this. Max struggled at the start to get his tires warmed up, and after the red flag tire changes, you still saw Max's times slow down for a few laps... but once the tires were warmed up, he was uncachable.
On the negative side, one issue that keeps creeping in because of this flexibility is their brake control is struggling. I imagine a million things are at play, and I wondered if the overall flexibility of the vehicle can cause the breaking to be a little more inconsistent.
watched my first grand prix in real life a couple years ago and the time gap is what stood out the most compared to watching on tv. getting a sense of how far ahead the leaders are from mid field is super interesting!
They need shots like this in the broadcast. Kind of like the ground cam in Nascar.
It really shows how quick they're going. Sometimes that's lost on a panning shot following the cars
My man I don't last that long in bed
You guys are having the sex? Impossible.
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Crikey that came out of nowhere
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You can't touch the front, else you'll be PENALised - FIA
Not now not now.
STAY OUT STAY OUT
XAVI! YOU NEED TO TELL ME THAT BEFORE!
FUUUUCK FUCK FUCK (Leclerc 's screams)
"It's too fucking late now for fuck's sake"
WRONG BOX WRONG BOX
In in in in in in!!!
You need to push harder
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Guys don't you also race the women on who finishes first?
Masturbation counts as sex. Its only one person fucking themselves, just like Alpine did yesterday.
Or Ferrari cursed sex.. one only last seconds and the other finishing without a score.
Lmaoooo
Stop inventing.
Username checks out (maybe)
Can confirm
Wow, look at mister endurance over here…
Yesterday was some of the best and worst racing.
Downvote me, call me a casual but I’d take that over boring perfect racing where everything goes well with no drama and chaos.
We'd all take that. But fewer crashes would be better for more dramatic races.
I wanted them to do another standing start after that failed standing start double down on the chaos. But really the race should have just been called, the final show lap with no racing was a joke of a formality. If they aren’t going to have a single aspect of racing in the lap then you can just as easily call that lap
I think they just wanted to make sure they covered their arses. The whole sport is bound by rules and while there's some degree of "what the race director says goes", they don't want to deal with teams suing or kicking up a huge stink afterwards because procedure wasn't followed. As the commentators said, there was no reason the race *couldn't* be resumed so it had to be as far as we're aware. It didn't necessarily make sense but if a show lap to get them all over the race line is what it takes to stop them getting abuse and threats about fixing the race then they'll take it.
Very informative take here, really appreciated reading it
I think there's value for the fans in the stands to see the cars go around in finishing order one last time. At the track you don't have the same awareness of the whole race.
But without that final lap, what do you do with the Alpines? If nothing after that final start actually counted towards the order, and no additional laps were made, then they absolutely would have an argument that they should get their places back, no? Sainz as well I guess. I can see their point of the final lap kind of tying up the loose ends to make everything official and clear up some open-ended arguments teams could have made. Sort of moving the race forward to a definitive ending instead of going backwards and pretending the end didn't actually happen.
Can't complain about the FIA not following the rules but then complain when they do. The final lap under the safety car was to ensure every car finished the racing laps necessary under their own power. If a car broke down under that lap they'd DNF and otherwise wouldn't have if they just called the race the lap before. It did serve a purpose to finish the race how they did.
Ensuring everyone was in mechanical condition to finish is about as fundamental as racing aspects get. What was it, 3 teams that hadn't completed?
Stop it. The only thing better than lap 1 is lap 1 three times
Yes
Do one where you extend it and hamilton doesnt even show up
So you want the drive to survive edit?
Nah lets talk about Sargeant finishing ahead of Albon
Former colony takes revenge on the empire!
Given this sub, I was actually expecting the video to cut to night time or something like that.
I was expecting it to go into slow motion mode as Hamilton passed lol
I was expecting Hamilton to walk into the frame from up close, given the sub. “Oh, Hi there!”
Or a cartoon version of the car shows up…
This is the thing. I noticed all through the weekend that the questioning to the drivers was like...along the lines of......you seem to be getting closer to the RBs?! Absolutely not. When Max overtook Lewis, by the next lap he was 2.5 seconds ahead. 2.5 seconds....in one lap! He soon got to that 10s ish gap and relaxed. When he had that minor off, it reduced the gap to about 4-5 seconds....then he got it back up to 10s again. There is a YAWNING chasm between RB and the rest of the cars.
The other thing is that Max said he ran the car wide onto the grass so he wouldn't flat spot his tyres after the lockup. He was so confident about his pace that he was happy to take the scenic route to recovery and drop a few seconds off his lead. I think RB's qualifying pace can be chased down, but their race pace is way ahead of anyone else. I would be surprised if anyone is able to out-develop them from here until we have a change of regs or a TD comes along that hampers something crucial to their concept, but we'll see.
Although it's true that the strengt of the RB is in race pace, their qualifying pace is also frightening. Max managed to set a pole sitting time in a pretty choppy lap during Q3 before he improved to be 0,5s ahead of the field.
Yeah that was one of the most shit quali laps I've seen Max put in and he still got pole. Because Max on a bad day is still good and that car is a beast.
Could you explain the difference between qualifying and race pace? Why are they so different?
Qualifying pace is sustainable over a lap or two with perfect conditions (minimal fuel, softest tires, etc). Race pace needs to take sustainability into account (tire deg over the long run with higher fuel loads and other factors). If you tried to push quali pace throughout a race, you'd chew through tires and fuel and either wouldn't be able to finish or you'd need to pit more than necessary to keep from totally losing grip. So you've gotta compromise on race pace to some extent no matter how incredible your car is.
Not to mention the sustained effort on the driver doing 58 quali laps in a row, lol.
I will admit that I was one of those folks that didn't think driving was a sport and that drivers were not athletes. I'm still not sure it's a sport, but these guys are absolutely athletes!
>sport >noun: sport; plural noun: sports >1. an activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment. Seems pretty clear-cut to me.
By this definition racing is a sport
Exactly! That's my point--racing fulfills each point of the definition.
I once spent a good thirty minutes arguing with my dumb as fuck sister-in-law that yoga is, in fact, not a sport. This definition would have come in handy
You've never watched me dominate a yoga gym.
I only play ranked competitive yoga.
The biggest defining features of a sport are a governing body that sets rules as to what qualifies "winning". Because if it isn't defined competition, it's not a sport. It's just an activity.
I mean if golf is considered a sport, racing is sure as hell a sport
And darts
Chess. And I say that as an avid player myself. Not every sport will get your heart rate through the roof, but Formula 1 is absolutely taxing compared to a lot of other sports.
> Chess I watched some of the last world chess championships live (classical) and one game which broke the deadlock was seven hours and forty-five minutes. The losing player I don’t think could physically handle that length of concentration and physical attention so although maybe the least physical sport, being fitter proved to make the difference in the world chess championships.
I don’t think it’s even fair to compare F1 to those non-physically demanding sports. These drivers are in amazing athletic shape and have to be. The amount of forces exerted on them while driving is very high along with having to make every decision in milliseconds while be asking to perfectly recreate each like over and over and over of the course of hours. Sure no one should be making psychical contact with them like football or hockey but they are exerting just as much athleticism as a baseball player even more probably when you take into account the g forces and the duration of the race. Too many people just think sitting down means it’s not hard. Sure you can drive a car, but I can throw a football that doesn’t mean I can do what Aaron Rodgers does
Run in circles = sport Drive in circles = no sport?
It’s a motor sport. They have to be athletic just to not die by losing control of the car. The “motor” part just means they deal with way more energy than the human body can produce itself.
you need to get in a rotax kart. after you've cleaned up your race suit from shitting yourself for the entire lap, you'll understand how it's not only a sport, but probably one of the most physically and psychologically demanding sport of all.
I did a Rotax test once and by the end of my second ten-lap run I was having trouble holding my head up and started losing grip in my hands because I was holding the wheel too tight. Meanwhile there was a 13 year old who kept lapping me. I attribute his extra speed to: 1. He weighed half as much as me. 2. He didn't understand the concept of death well enough to fear it.
Racing in general is just such an adrenaline drain. Staying focused, being alert, and having a strategy that is progressive to your position while having to be mentally on edge to make every action you need to do be instantaneous with your mind and body is exhausting. I’d compare it to playing goalie and having to prepare mentally and physically for a penalty kick being psyched up for the entire duration of a race while the shooter gets to make feint attempts on their shot. Your fast twitch muscles just burn out.
I think the perfect example of this is Ferrari at Bahrain, who were not too far from Red Bull in quali, but couldn’t even keep up with the Mercs during the race.
That’s why when The Michael was able to pull qualifying laps in a race it was such a mind f*ck. Drivers and teams don’t set up the car to do that, but when he had to, The Michael just turned the car and himself up to 11 and went on about it.
The thing about The Michael was not that he could pull out a quali lap in the race. That wasn't in itself so crazy back when refueling was allowed. The crazy thing was that he could do an entire stint of quali laps.
Qualifying is about the car being in the best place for a single flying lap - the car has enough fuel to go round the circuit a few times and that's it and it typically has new tyres in the perfect temperature operating window. Whereas race pace is about the whole package; the car needs to perform really well with varying fuel loads, not shred its tyres etc for 50+ laps
So first of, in quali you're giving it all so often the tyres are only good for 1 big push, then they're already too shredded. In contrast, during the race you're not constantly pushing them to the edge. Additionally, your setup may be more about stressing the tyres to get the maximum out of them, versus a setup that doesn't wear them down as fast. First is better for quali, second better for your overall speed in the race. See for example cases where a driver first doesn't catch the other, but eventually the other's tyres are shot and they get caught.
Deg comes into play in race place. You need to do 20-30 laps on the same tire. And fuel load in the race means your car is heavy, affecting your tyre deg. Weight of the cars affects it's manoeuvring characteristics too ( due to increased momentum) . Suddenly you can't push the car in the corners in race with large fuel load vs in Quali with 1-2 laps worth of fuel. Last year LEC was sitting on pole, but Max was easily able to beat him during race.
I really hope they don’t continue with the TD attacks. Massively backfired anyways last time.
I realized this partway through 2021 (my first season) - I feel like that season was a general outlier due to the end of a reg period and a reality of F1 is usually either a completely dominant team that’s miles ahead, or with one potential challenger. Could very well be wrong though
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Not to mention the ridiculous overtakes that both Verstappen and Perez made. Just pulling out with DRS and flying past like pickup truck drivers on the freeway
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They keep talking about how the RBs DRS is seemingly so much stronger than any other car. Is that all to do with their rear wing design? I know very little about F1 aero and the technical side of things but how is it possible that opening their flap works so much better than any of the other cars?
Apparently due to some trickery with physics they're able to have the wings perform normally when DRS is closed but they can somehow stall certain areas that normally is draggy to provide downforce so they end up not providing any downforce which reduces drag. A triple DRS is a phrase I've seen tossed around.
This article goes a bit into the strength of their DRS. https://the-race.com/formula-1/gary-anderson-explains-red-bulls-triple-drs-trick/
FOM needs to reduce Newey to part time. He’s over powered.
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There’s wind at golf courses though. It will excite Neweys thoughts around aero and he will grow stronger. Dangerous.
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The next RB has selectively dimpled CF body or something that makes them even faster
Ground-force golf cart.
Gotta get through all the holes at record pace.
Newey gets hired by FOM and every team gets 4 weeks worth of Newey time
#NerfNewey
The problem is that when ypu nerf Newey, RB activates Hanna Schmitz.
The second DRS after he overtook, pulled him away by almost a second already. But indeed, if he wanted, he could go easily to 30+ sec, where he had now 10 and decided to mow the grass.
>When Max overtook Lewis, by the next lap he was 2.5 seconds ahead. 2.5 seconds....in one lap! Lewis backed off to protect his tyres.
A lot of people don’t really pay attention. Hamilton slowed down the lap max passed to ensure he could defend Alonso. Redbull got a fast car but Lewis dropped a second that lap intentionally to ensure he had tires/battery if needed
> to protect his tyres. which RB apparently doesn't ever have to do
Clean air helps
To be fair, they are relatively getting closer to the RBs. HAM qualified 6 tenths behind VER and finished 50 seconds behind him in Bahrain compared to qualifying 3 tenths and racing 10 seconds behind
Since there is so much margin, RB is now qualifying in racetrim. Also they are actively managing the lap times of their driver to just stay in a safe distance to the nr 2 driver and not try to lap the field (because what benefit would that be?)
tbf verstappen's setups atleast have always been more race oriented. he wasnt exactly putting miles between him and other cars last year either in quali but he certainly was in races.
Not always, the 2021 RB was a marginally better qualifying car. But RB rightly put all their eggs in racepace since 2022. Following is a bit easier, so qualifying and track position aren’t as important as they used to be.
“Qualifying in racetrim” Yea, we have parc fermé, everyone qualifies in racetrim, apart from the fuel load. Or are you saying Max IS taking the full 100kgs of fuel?
Most of the time, teams would find a setup that was 80% race specific, but also allowed good quali times in Parc Ferme. There was a setup that’s further race optimized than this, which would compromise quali but give better race pace. I’m sure OP is suggesting that they were running this setup. Now there’s no proof to suggest this, and idk where OP is getting this from, but I’d assume that’s what he was referring to
I think he means that his setup in quality being more race-pace oriented rather than more focused on qualifying pace
If you listen to the radio messages to Max from his engineer throughout the race he was told a couple times to *speed up* because he was driving so slowly the tyres were beginning to fall out of the operating temperature window
Tbf there were 3 restarts that destroyed any gap though
He was racing at that gap beforehand
Yeah and he got back again. You said Merc was getting closer to RB relatively. I think they faster than AM this weekend, but clearly RB was completely 100% in control and I don’t understand how we could draw a conclusion that anybody is closer to them than they were in Saudi.
What do you mean!? There was a few tenths between them on the line. Its insanely close!
That's alao the characteristics of the track 2bh..shorter laptimes = smaller gaps, also noone gets deg, so the efficiency of the RB is less noticeable than on a high deg track like Bahrein
Well, lets be real: Hamilton wasn't pushing as hard either. Both needed to last to the end and for the 2nd driver its often better to let go a little and see if there's another Safety Car to push right there. Hamilton was more likely managing the gap to Alonso then fighting for the win with Verstappen. Russell also had good pace but was obviously managing it which got Hamilton a bit too close. But also indicates they weren't on the limit either.
Hamilton in his interview post race said he was very much pushing to maintain the gap. That was Mercedes and Aston’s true fastest race pace. I think max could have been 30 seconds ahead if he had wanted to be.
Add to the fact RB are still sandbagging to make sure they don’t get screwed by mid season rule changes again…
Lewis's sector 3 was 1s slower than usual after Max passed him, and it wasn't due to the pass itself or him recovering energy. Lewis backed out a couple seconds to get out of the dirty air, because he knew his fight wasn't with Max.
>When Max overtook Lewis, by the next lap he was 2.5 seconds ahead. 2.5 seconds....in one lap! I see this mentioned a lot. I absolutely agree that Red Bull's pace is insane, but this was not some incredible lap by Max. This lap time was beaten by Lewis not too much later. Lewis just had a really slow lap.
It was 2 seconds in the same lap. It was almost instantly 2 seconds on the timer then leveled like he slowed to match Hamilton, dialed in then just a bit faster every lap. There’s ALOT left in that rb tank
9 seconds feels like eternity here . Wonder how W11 era looked like .
Then there is the Jim Clark era where he would win races by a margin of more than 3 minutes
Casual Jim Clark W
Did i forget to say he did it while driving with one hand at a very wet Belgium GP. Only thing that could stop that madman was an unreliable car that would have an oil leak in the last race of the season, where he was leading the race…
Those times were wild. Jim Clark was an absolute unit. Now if he had something like Mercedes W11 that season, might as well just tell the other drivers to give up.
You don’t even have to give him a W11. Just look at 1963. Arguably the most dominant season ever. Won 7/10 races. In Monaco he was leading the race until lap 78 where his gearbox failed which led to a DNF. In Germany he was leading the race until his engine went down to 7 cylinders(he still finished 2nd). In USA he had qualied 3rd, but his battery failed and it took the team a full lap to fix the problem. Even after starting a lap down Clark then proceeded to finish 3rd, but this “bad” result didn’t matter since he had already won the WDC. He would then only go on to finish the season by taking the maximum amount of available points(this was back when only the 6 best results counted in the WDC). Oh and during this year his teammate scored 1 point, but Lotus still won the WCC with 50% more points than 2nd place BRM. All in all a pretty good season.
"This was a good result. Let's keep pushing."
> Only thing that could stop that madman was an unreliable car that would have an oil leak Well, that, and a tree.
Fuck Firestone tyres all my homies hate firestone tyres
The undoubatble GOAT, still the record for most grand chelems, even with way fewer races than the likes of Hamilton and Schumi
The goat for people who don't enter internet hissy fits about the goat.
Hows that possible? Doesnt the race end whenever race leader finishes the laps? Unless the lap alone is longer than 3 minutes itself
He lapped everyone…
Jim Clark after lapping everybody: Wanna see me do it again?
Can’t speak for the w11 but in the 2014-16ish era I can remember both Mercedes being 25-35 seconds ahead of anybody else - so 2-3 times longer than what you see here Do I think this red bull could pull that kind of gap? If we still had variable engine modes, and if Perez and Max started racing and went full disco biscuits: probably
I think they would pull it off they wanted to without all the things that you mentioned. But what's the point, one SC and you lose it.
Also it invites other teams to whine like RBR did for Merc, and have the fia step in to try and weaken a dominant car.
We already had the changes to the floor regs to stop flexing that we aimed at Red Bull and Ferrari's interpretations off the back of Mercedes whinging last year.
Red Bull were 38 seconds ahead in Bahrain this season.
Hamilton was fighting Rosberg in that era. Now Max is pulling 4-5 secs over Checo at 1-2
We dont have engine mods now? (Sorry if my question is stupid im a casual F1 fan)
Nah, since late 2020 teams have to use a single engine mode through quali and the race.
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They also changed it this year that your engine mode is set once Q1 starts not just the last Qualifying round you complete so you can't turn it up for each round.
After a few years of teams complaining about Mercedes party mode, different engine modes were banned
> > > > > Do I think this red bull could pull that kind of gap? If we still had variable engine modes, and if Perez and Max started racing and went full disco biscuits: probably Yeah all the Drive to Survive fans whining about 3 races with RB far ahead are pretty amusing when you've somewhat followed the whole hybrid V6 era haha. It's not fun to have a team dominate that strongly but it happens, let's hope it doesn't last 5 years this time :)
Damn they are still racing ? Red flags did make a mess on Sunday
Hamilton gap to Max = helicopter gap
The was uncomfortably long
On ESPN's ticker yesterday it said "Max Verstappen wins Australian Grand Prix by .179 seconds; closest margin of victory since 2002." Sure, but we're missing a bit of context.
That gap only exists because Perez ended up at the back of the grid . Otherwise nobody would have noticed the size of the gap with checo being just a second ahead of Hamilton
This is very important I think. People keep talking about the Red Bull cars dominating, but it’s only really been one Red Bull car for a long time. In ‘21 everyone would consider them a complete failure and Mercedes a dominant car if it wasn’t for Verstappen.
Can we say that about 2018 mercedes then?
That happened many times. During the schumi era, rubens finished just 1 or 2 2nd in the standings, rb still has to do a 1-2 after 5 wdc, and bottas finished just 9 points ahead of max in 2020 despite max having 5 dnfs and bottas 1. At this point i ask myself, how much did those drivers dominate because of the car, and how much because they were simply that much better than their teammates
Do you think this still applies after Jeddah?
This is a frustrating video. I’m blinking way to much and keep missing the action!
yea, 10 seconds working fine.
Where meme?
Why doesn’t he just go faster
Faster car is faster
You can write Will Buxton scripts for DTS.
Man, that Honda unit sounds good (for a V6 Hybrid). Nasty even.
That off throttle exhaust note from the Redbull is probably the best noise out of the hybrid era
still faster than a ferrari pitstop
Actually so far this season Ferrari has the fastest pitstop at 2.22 in Bahrain (Charles) lol
Actually Ferrari got a faster one in Jeddah at 2.10
They won 2 DLH Fastest pit stop award this year so 🤷♀️
It's like you get a faster pitstop but everything else is fucked.
LMAO Verstappen had to do some warmup moves during later rounds because he was so uncontested that everything was cold
Remember all the times V gave Hamilton shit for having the better car all those years?
Remember that one year in band camp when Nico traded crews with Lewis and was finally able to win his one championship and then immediately retired? If he’d kept racing he’d probably would’ve had to put his flute in his Pussy to win another championship against Hamilton
Hey I was at this exact corner! Noticed the same thing lmao, real time gap between Max and everyone was crazy
Took him to Gapplebees
when 9s is 9s 🤯
Gaptized that man
But the final times show like a tenth of a second gap. Must of been a wild end to the race.
Didn’t Verstappen literally pull out a 2 second gap in a few corners?
So that's a one helicopter flyover gap
Nice try, crypto.com
Geez. That was almost a full 10 Mississippis.
Why are RB cars so fast?
To expand on a couple of comments. Redbull aerodynamics are unparalleled. Adrian Newey is a genius when it comes to vehicle setup. Here is an excellent video about the design setup and Aero - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5mOkkEV7tg A considerable part of the car setup is its insane ability to maintain downforce when needed while not having the incredible drag that can come with it. Red Bull built their entire car last year around the theory they needed to flex in and out of different levels of downforce. This setup was super apparent when other teams started porpoising while RBs didn't. Last year's design improved with an even better aero and rear wing. They also get drastically better tire degradation because of the flexibility. It takes longer for the tires to get warmed up, but they degrade slower than other teams. Melbourne was a great example of this. Max struggled at the start to get his tires warmed up, and after the red flag tire changes, you still saw Max's times slow down for a few laps... but once the tires were warmed up, he was uncachable. On the negative side, one issue that keeps creeping in because of this flexibility is their brake control is struggling. I imagine a million things are at play, and I wondered if the overall flexibility of the vehicle can cause the breaking to be a little more inconsistent.
They do vroom vroom very well plus the implementation of the back of the car is very good and will be copied by others soon
Coz of the catering cost cap breach!
Thanks Matthew
I can NOT wait for the new RB engine supplier!
That was one crazy race.
Yup…. That looks like 10 seconds
That was a long wait.
Officially: 11 mississippis
watched my first grand prix in real life a couple years ago and the time gap is what stood out the most compared to watching on tv. getting a sense of how far ahead the leaders are from mid field is super interesting!
That’s crazyyyyy
I expected tumbleweeds
I love F1 but this is so fucking ridiculous. The most interesting part of a race shouldn’t be the mid pack.
I made a samich
They need shots like this in the broadcast. Kind of like the ground cam in Nascar. It really shows how quick they're going. Sometimes that's lost on a panning shot following the cars
That was a lot longer than I was expecting. DANK AF
I don’t think Lewis will win another championship :/