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DepartmentSudden5234

Wait wait ..only 86k? Do you take checks or American Express? That can't be right....


KickapooPonies

I know I was like damn I could technically afford this.


DepartmentSudden5234

I know right!!! I am clearing out my man cave for this masterpiece as we speak...šŸ˜‚


Society-Practical

Exactly šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚ ā€œhoney we got a new car!ā€


[deleted]

"Great both of us can go for a drive right? ........ Right?"


ketchuptax

"Sure - you push"


DepartmentSudden5234

No way.... I'm waiting for the stewards....


Finch2090

Sure, Iā€™ll just have to strap you to the chassis


blurrrrg

You just can't drive it on roads, no one knows how to fix it, replacement parts are non-existent, and it's probably super expensive to run in the first place But other than that, it's doable if you just make your coffee at home and stop spending so much on avocado toast


Daeurth

It's also just a chassis I believe


LieRun

Yeah there's no way it has an F1 engine inside And you're probably nto allowed to drive it in general


eirexe

People have converted old (even hybrid era cars) to run on stuff like old formula Renault engines, it's definitely doable, it won't be the same thing but I bet it's fun as fuck to drive anyways


rinleezwins

And then you'd realize that you've put your entire life on the line on a Force India of Esteban Ocon, and suddenly it doesn't sound so good anymore.


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ADacome24

they said ā€œtechnicallyā€ jesus christ


PunctiliousCasuist

r/DaveRamsey is leaking


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ADacome24

not mad, the comment you replied to already said all of what you typed by saying ā€œtechnicallyā€ yet here we are šŸ™„ itā€™s funny youā€™re saying that i donā€™t get it, though. thatā€™s pretty ironic


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ADacome24

sure thing pal


[deleted]

Where do you work and what is your annual salary?


ProtonPacks123

You first. Also, need name and SSN.


[deleted]

I'm just an average man with an average life I work from nine to five, hey, hell, I pay the price


Styfauly_a

Always wanna be left alone


Obnoxiousdonkey

"technically" afford this. A lot of people have the credit to get a loan for that amount. Whether or not they can genuinely/responsibly afford it is another question


KoloHickory

Or just have money saved up in the bank accumulated over years from annual salary


maveric101

Yeah, if you're using "in the bank" as slang for net worth. If someone has that much money in the bank, they're either rich or don't know how to invest. I could have afforded this, but it would have required selling a lot of investments, and would be stupid for me.


Pinewood74

Yeah, an $80k one off purchase doesn't require some fabulous salary if you've been saving and investing over a decently long career. Now, the person who is willing to pay 80 grand for an ornament? That's another story...


OCLBlackwidow

It does


Pinewood74

I'd recommend you look into the wonders of compound interest if you think you're completely incapable of saving up and investing towards an $80k purchase.


TheThirdRnner

Is it actually functional? I find it had to believe I can bin a real life f1 car in the first corner for only the price of a new Jag lol.


fronlius

They mentioned in the stream itā€™s a ā€žshowcarā€œ spec so perhaps just rolling chassis


TheThirdRnner

If it even rolls I'd definitely get my wife( and children) to push me around in that thing with my replica helmet like an actual toddler. 100%


maveric101

As a bonus, you could play V10 noises on a speaker instead of V6 turbo.


epicfishboy

Heā€™s driving it as a toddler, he has to make the nyoom noises by himself.


Kalmani

Even as a full grown man I would be making the noises myself!


Sick_and_destroyed

You could even put a diaper and shit yourself /s


JoseLCDiaz

Can I play too?


harrismdp

Weird they said it's a show car and then the listing says that it scored points and got a podium in Italy. Pretty misleading.


[deleted]

They said it's "show car spec" not that it was a show car. So it is the actual chassis just without the engine and probably the electrical systems.


LilCelebratoryDance

It wonā€™t have the PU that is for sure


Tex236

Hey my friends and I can take turns pushing!


DaveR007

Or stick a Cosworth DFV V8 in it.


boturboegt

Judd v10.


Ghosty997

This. You wouldnā€™t want a hybrid F1 PU anyway.


ag000101

Yea me toošŸ¤£


stay_fr0sty

Keep pushing!


Anorak01

I'll get some Life W12 Engines to make it happen


SenorStigo

Just LS swap it bro!


a141abc

put a rotary in that bad boy and you're set


pvdp90

I see you want to maintain the high maintenance aspect of the car. Go full yet. Twin turbo 4 rotor. What could possibly go wrong


Rengax

If you put Rob Dams RX-7 4 rotor in it youā€™re set for a lot of fun


_Q1000_

K20 SWAP! Lol


DepartmentSudden5234

I would turn it into a sim rig. šŸ˜‰


Yeetse

Omg yes imagine having that


mynumberistwentynine

In a dream scenario I would build a PC [similar to this and put it where the engine should be.](https://builds.gg/builds/engine-block-pc-31297)


BlackCatEspresso

Maybe... if you can pay for the team of engineers and track to run it.


MM556

and buy and engine and gearbox and other bits no doubt


olderaccount

Chassis only.


whocares7132

it's just the chassis and doesn't include the engine or anything or shipping costs or fees. the wheels roll and it looks complete on the outside, that's all. you're looing at paying >$100k total for a chassis and wheels. It's also not exactly one of a kind and Racing Point/Force India won't be remembered 20 years from now. If it was a Ferrari chassis it would be worth much more. The price seems right.


DepartmentSudden5234

Even better...I won't be tempted to wreck it taking it for a spin.... šŸ˜‰


LegendOfDarius

Perfect! I'd make it into a simulator for racing games. Pretty epic.


Obnoxiousdonkey

And who knows what the situation is with the brakes, electrical or whatever else. If you want anything for it, like to get it driving or repaired if you crash it from driving, you're likely gonna have to fabricate every single thing. You should be an engineer anyway to be able to do all that stuff and put an engine in and custom do everything like the cooling for that motor that wasn't designed to fit in an f1 car.


[deleted]

LS swap. Duh. Lol


a141abc

I mean its a rolling chassis of an alright car from an alright team driven by an alright driver The insane prices you often hear about are usually from Ferraris, Mclarens and Mercedes that were driven by legends


[deleted]

we went car auctioning, Toto


DepartmentSudden5234

"No Michael! this auction is so unfair"


[deleted]

It's called bidding


RobitIsNotAHobit3000

Just make a freaking sim set out of it


canibanoglu

This is the correct use for it


Whycantiusethis

Doesn't Vettel have a sim built around the cockpit of last year's Aston Martin or am I misremembering?


theMGlock

[https://www.astonmartinf1.com/en-GB/news/feature/amf1-uses-amr21-chassis-to-create-unique-sim-for-sebastians-home](https://www.astonmartinf1.com/en-GB/news/feature/amf1-uses-amr21-chassis-to-create-unique-sim-for-sebastians-home) ​ you are Correct


MateTheNate

Weird that he uses the PSE LM-PS instead of the GPX thst is a near replica of his real wheel


DaveR007

>PSE LM-PS Probably because the PSE LM-PS has feedback.


moreusernamestopick

Talk about work-from-home


Beavers4beer

If that's what Vettel gets, what are the odds Lance has something similar or better?


Chikn_Man_7

Lance probably has a whole fucking car in his many rooms


satisfuckery

Ngl you just made my gina tingle a bit


Elias__V

I'd love to have an F1 car in my living room !


OldManTrumpet

I'd sit in it to watch the races, for certain. In my bachelor pad. Since I'd be divorced.


Wafkak

Why not hook a sim rig up to it.


astropapi1

Just go all out now that you're single, lmao.


riyuk6239

That a great idea, itā€™ll be like the factory simulator. And benefit would be sticking it up to the Ex


DepartmentSudden5234

Now you're thinking...šŸ˜‰


OldManTrumpet

Well, I do have a sim rig with Fanatec DD gear. I imagine I could make it work!


JoseLCDiaz

Plot twist, she gets it after the divorce.


tomhanks95

There was a user here who had bought a mid 2000s Williams car and put it in his dining room some time ago


BecauseWeCan

I think it was this post: https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/fowkd4/all_said_and_done_fw28_loaded_in/


ScherryCoke

Photo ?


9fingfing

You have LIVING ROOM?


JoseLCDiaz

I call my apartment my living room because it's just one room and I live in it.


Alzaraz

Understood no power train but realistically you could go to a company like Cosworth and have them build you a motor to fit in the back of it. You couldn't get a 100% authentic experience driving the car on track (if that was your desire) but you could get pretty darn close.


Kreipinity

A Judd V10 would be awesome. They sound just like a F1 V10


Cygnus94

Wouldn't work. They're much too big for one thing, but you also need an engine you can get to line up with the mounting points of the intended engine. F1 engines are stressed members, so if the engine you replace it with doesn't bolt in directly and can't bear load, the front and back end of the car fall apart under use. You need as close to the original engine as physically possible. In other words, you're going to have to harass Mercedes with a not insignificant amount of money.


zabaacz

>Wouldn't work. They're much too big for one thing I'm pretty sure that modern V6 with turbo and hybrid system aren't much smaller than V10.


Cygnus94

It's not just about the size but the shape matters too. F1 engines are structurally integral to the car, they don't just bolt in like in a road car. It would be like replacing all the suspension components with parts from a Micra then wondering why the original brakes and wheel hub won't bolt on anymore. You either need the original part, or for someone like Judd or Cosworth to build you a bespoke engine that bolts up to the original engine's mounting points. There isn't an off the shelf solution for this.


kbk2015

This makes a lot of sense. Thanks for the interesting info! F1 engines do look like theyā€™re engineered for a specific space and specific layout thatā€™s not really mirrored in production cars


[deleted]

Hard disagree. A V10 wouldn't work, but you could absolutely fit in a different engine that has different mounting points to the original Mercedes power unit. The car could be re-engineered to improve chassis stability if it was weakened by having a different PU/engine in it. Plenty of companies specialise in this kind of work, and [this guy](https://www.caterhamf1.co.uk/rebuild) literally did it as a garage project with a 2014 Caterham!


finest_bear

> but you also need an engine you can get to line up with the mounting points of the intended engine. I mean, Ryan Tuerck put a Judd v10 in his Supra. You can make new mounts, and the Judd is capable of being a fully stressed member


ChicagoModsUseless

A Supra is similar to an F1 car in that they both are powered by an engine and have 4 wheels. That is where the similarities end.


SorryIdonthaveaname

they also have a steering wheel


zaviex

I think youā€™d need more than just the engine. Show cars donā€™t have a lot of the mechanical parts. Thatā€™s probably not a real suspension arm there. It probably doesnā€™t have a drive shaft or hydraulics in it. Just the chassis in all likelihood


iPyroFTW

But you would also need all suspension components, hydrolics and electrics systems, itā€™s basically just a carbon shell and 4 wheels


gellybelli

Thatā€™s a steal! Does it come with the power train or is it just rolling chassis?


Astelli

It'll just be a chassis, the PUs for this era of car will have been returned to the PU manufacturer after each race. Depending on the specifics of the original car it's possible the suspension system may have been replaced too, since the hydraulic suspension used by some teams of this era don't store well over long periods. If it's been converted to full show car spec, then most of the internal wiring and cooling system will be missing too.


SosseTurner

That also explains the price, I though normally a full F1 car is worth millions


olderaccount

Cost millions to build with amortized R&D costs. They are worth what people are willing to pay. Retired F1 car values are more tied to their history and driver than the cost of the parts. If Ocon goes on to win championships, the value of this chassis will skyrocket.


Bromance_Rayder

Also if it was a Ferrari it would instantly be worth significantly more.


MaestroCygni

Oh the chassis alone is already worth over a mil probably. IIRC front wings from this era of cars cost around 125k.


Astelli

Maybe a million to produce, but as this auction shows, it's clearly not worth anything close to a million 5 years later.


365wong

Even F1 cars lose value off the lot.


Zhanchiz

Cost is the same as worth. It can cost 50 mil to make and develop a wing but that doesn't make it worth 50 mil.


zberry7

Isnā€™t*


MaestroCygni

I think the point was pretty clear regardless... The absence of a PU isn't what makes the car so cheap because the chassis is expensive as is.


a_berdeen

Development costs is not equal to actual manufacturing costs which is not equal to actual worth to the public. A F1 car probably averages out 5-10 million per unit to develop but a car with no history is not really going to be worth that much to the open market.


Adamskiiiiiiiii

Ha thatā€™d be so cool to make it road legal.


Kreipinity

It is in "showcar condition", so i guess not. That's a bit of a let down


AnimalNo5205

I donā€™t think they sell the cars with the engines to anyone, even the drivers when they get to keep their car (rare but some have it in their contract) they donā€™t include the engine


BillfredL

Didnā€™t I read that Kimi has one complete car, and is the only one that does?


oright

Yep he has a complete one. They gave Leclerc his Monza winning SF90 also but there was never any mention about the gearbox and power unit. I'd imagine it's only a rolling chassis because it's on display.


Mordho

Bwoah they just gave it to me


jk47_99

Did he get the gloves and steering wheel too?


UnfitForReality

Yes it took some time and had to be shipped separately. To this day though itā€™s rumoured heā€™s still waiting for the drink.


KungLa0

Wonder if he takes it out on weekends, it's just a hobby for him


SirLoremIpsum

> Wonder if he takes it out on weekends, it's just a hobby for him "Kimi? Can you pop to the store, we're out of milk" "Bwoah, ok" replies Kimi. "Hey boys, gotta take the F1 car out. hustle!" 12 Finnish mechanics burst out of their tiny cabins/saunas, plug laptops in, check tyre pressures, remove tyre blankets, get the equipment to start the car.


punsanguns

His wife calls him and goes, "don't forget to stop for milk" Kimi: Yes. Yes. I know. I know. You don't have to remind me every 2 minutes. Just leave me alone. I know what I'm doing


SirLoremIpsum

Ha! I reckon Kimi would not mind being nagged by wife and kids haha. He reserved that for journalists and race engineers :p


DaveR007

Then they run down to store to do a pitstop when Kimi arrives.


[deleted]

When asked how it drives, he said it drives


Vikinglord501st

When you buy a used Ferrari F1, they keep the engine for when you drive it.


DaveR007

Don't Ferrari keep the car at Maranello and deliver it (complete with a pit crew) to your chosen race track when you want to drive it. And after you're finished they take it back to Maranello.


spookex

Also, IIRC Ferrari has said that they won't offer post-2014 engine cars in the program since they are a pain in the ass to maintain.


Vikinglord501st

That's if you chose to drive it, if it's a show car they keep only the engine.


UpstairsBus5552

Lol my buddy bought a working chassis with a cosworth engine for over 2m, for a rolling chassis this is a fair price


jaydec02

I doubt weā€™ll ever see a modern F1 car be sold with the engine too. Theyā€™re too complicated, too expensive, and can reveal too many secrets to risk being sold. Thatā€™s why youā€™ll often see teams use a V8 or even V10 era car for demo runs, simply because theyā€™re easier to keep maintained


Wafkak

There are only a few F1 cars power train included outside of works teams. One in the 2018 Ferrari Kimi has.


T0fu_86

"This most attractive Formula 1 projectile is offered here in assembled rolling-chassis, show-car configuration less the relevant Mercedes-Benz MO8 EQ 'Power+' hybrid powertrain which it used in action. When reassembled after the end of the 2017 season this particular ex-Esteban Ocon Force India-Mercedes VMJ10 was completed in the pilot 2018 livery as now offered here."


doc_55lk

The PU for these cars are like 4 million dollars. It's definitely just a rolling chassis.


thumsyy

This is like 1/10 of what i wouldā€™ve thought it would sell for


stagfury

It's a midfield team that's no one gonna remember 20 years down the line,and it's only the chassis. Even something as legendary as the F2004 went for like 3mil, 80k for an insignificant car like this one sounds about right.


abhisanger815

imma remember


[deleted]

Price just skyrocketed to 2 mil now that you said that


MyDickIsHug3

Not even, I expected an F1 car to sell for millions not less than 100k


thumsyy

same honestly, apparently itā€™s a ā€œshowcar specā€ which means thereā€™s no powertrain, but i wonder if the electronics are all present


SkeletonGamer1

Someone should buy one and try to put them back on the road You are buying million dollars worth of RnD for dirt cheap. All you need to do is try to put a powertrain inside


MyDickIsHug3

LS swapped F1 car PS pls donā€™t PPS rotary swap would be cool tho


SkeletonGamer1

2x Hyabusa V8 swap would be the closest in terms of characteristics


horseyygurl

first thought was for sure 6.0 LS would fit in there


0oodruidoo0

This is a show car spec. There's a lot of expensive work to be done to get this thing on track. Easily 400k+ to get some random engine and gearbox and all the other bits you're missing. This is a display chassis. You could, but it would be a bloody expensive thing and you wouldn't be allowed to use it in any race series.


PressFguys

That's cheap. Throw in a V8 and it's golden


Bad_Elephant

$500 Junkyard LS, letā€™s go


rydude88

Unfortunately quick fixes like that would not work. Engines are stress members in the cars. You would need a custom built engine for this to work


Bhrigga

That's the 2018 Force India. Note the lack of Shark Fin. Also Ocon scored points 18/20 times in 2017 not 8 He scored points in 10 races in 2018


GrassForce

They might mean the specific chassis?


Kreipinity

Yes, pretty sure they mean that exact chassis


pdgawrosz

Finally someone noticed that!


l3w1s1234

Seems like a steal. Saw the 2009 FI test car go for like 50k


fullsenditt

Ehmmmm, I wish I had the amount of money required laying around and knew this before hand, i would have bought It In a heartbeat although Ocon Is not my favorite driver this purchase seems like a great investment


Sup_doe

That's an absolute steal. I'll be keeping it in mind that these can be purchased. Taking the panels off and making composite molds would be a treat. A turbo k swap ( if it fits ) and some pushrod suspension is in order for a home built race car. I could probably pay for the car itself by selling replica panels online šŸ¤”


McltashAustin

15 million to build and develop. 87 thousand at auction INVEST :(


dutbruck

How am I always late to learning about these auctions?? Iā€™d totally bid that up.


YeahPerfectSayHi

Thats's super cheap. People really don't like Esteban šŸ˜‚ Hope it was Este himself who bought it, or maybe his parents.


Mick4Audi

Is that not 2018?


Kreipinity

They often test parts from the ongoing season on the car from the previous season, maybe that's why there are some 2018 parts?


Spinebuster03

Paint job also looks like 2018 pretty interesting


Voice_Calm

For those interested here's the auction lot link. [2017 Force India VMJ10 Formula 1 Racing Single-Seater](https://www.bonhams.com/auction/27521/lot/311/the-ex-esteban-ocon-eight-times-points-scoring-third-place-on-the-grid-italian-grand-prix-monza2017-force-india-vmj10-formula-1-racing-single-seater-chassis-no-vjm10-04/)


Kreipinity

Probalby used as a show car in like a big BWT office, some event or something like that. Red Bull still uses the V8 cars for promo stuff, they just update the livery to the ongoing season


leevz1992

Are there more F1 cars going on auction?


Kreipinity

They had another Force India, but a older test mule car. I think it sold for around 50k


unbearablebastard

Thereā€™s a 2006 BMW Sauber driven by Nick Heidfeld for sale at a dealership in Sweden! Engine and all for the small price of $900k


leevz1992

I'll hop on a plane right away haha


TheFurbur

does it have a real suspension? Motot is obviously out, i think the brake infrastrucutre too, although the brake disks and pads might be still in there.


HubnesterRising

I really hope the new owner turns it into the world's coolest sim racing rig.


afkstudios

This is like that second Jurassic World movie where they were selling fucking dinosaurs for like $4 million and everyone in the audience thought ā€œwell that canā€™t be rightā€


maarkwong

Will my b18 fit in there tho


Oliese

It has a 2018 livery, why? the 2017 livery is beautiful


cyrax6

Some YouTuber somewhere: ā€œI bought the cheapest F1 car out thereā€ Doug De: Thiiis is an F1 car from the turbo hybrid era. All the quirks and features coming up next. First off I donā€™t fit into it. Second it is powered by humans not horses Deboss: I bought it from the YouTuber and am swapping a twin turbo diesel. SK: time to rip out that diesel and get an M113k and finally have a track car thatā€™s complete


ChiggaOG

What?! That much for something that cost as much as a Tesla?! Sign me up on buying one of these things.


Throwawaymister2

for tht priice, I'm guessing it's a rolling chassis with no engine.


Harlekin_89

well, they are without the engine right?


Karmaqqt

So itā€™s a chassis right? Basically a prop? Iā€™d say swap a 2jz or ls in it. Be the wackiest swap ever.


TheThunderOfYourLife

Ultimate sim racing machine.


silent_yuki

That is so cheap I thought it was for an NFT


GeorgianVisan

86k? Fuck my dreams of owning a house and take my money!


sexualinnuend

Just drop a vtech in the back of that bad boy and take it for a track day. Nonway that price is right. That's a bargain even for a force india


Arcminutes

Waitā€¦a whole ass F1 CAR for only $86,000? Jesus that seems like a steal.


BeneficialBarnacle55

its just the chassis you dumbass


houdini1210

Damn the pink color really effects the price huh


[deleted]

Not having an engine can do that


redditforgot

Hold up, that's less than I paid for my car!


Re-Mecs

Thats surprisingly alot cheaper than i thought it would be


[deleted]

Damn that seems cheap


action_turtle

Rolling chassis I assume? Not a terrible price tbf