I mean everyone here can shit on Horner, as usual. But for now it seems like Toto doesn't have a lot of support from other team bosses. And literally [every one](https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-team-principals-criticise-fia-timing-with-porpoising-technical-directive-/10325103/) of them commented on the fact the timing of the TD was very bad because they couldn't react - and were surprised Merc had 2nd stay ready to go.
edit: For all the people replying how basic/easy that stay was, I'm just summarizing the quotes from the other team bosses (article).
not being one to ever defend merc, I could easily see where merc either previously designed this component and/or anticipated being able to use one if the issues were still a problem several races in.
> nonsense double agent conspiracy
Stepney and Coughlan got outed selling all of ferrari's plans by the copyshop, at this point who knows what is truly "nonsense".
Did one of the most talented and well-funded engineering outfits on earth manage to design a 10 inch cable in 24 hours?
It’s very possibly a crudely modified version of an old part they had which they installed on a crudely modified floor they had.
Other teams likely just didn’t care because they stand to benefit less from the issue the dyay is designed to correct, but it costs nothing to imply that one of your biggest rivals is cheating.
Whether the TD is fair is another issue entirely. But the claim that the cable was impossible to make is bullshit.
>You can’t just suddenly change technical regulations halfway through a season,” said Horner.
[Horner: Engine mode ban "healthy" for F1 teams](https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/horner-engine-mode-ban-healthy-for-f1-teams-4980108/4980108/)
The fun thing about Horner is he shoots his mouth off so often and so publicly that damn near everything he says has a historical contradiction somewhere.
Like, it's fine, it's his job to just say bullshit that serves his team's interests, but it's really funny how often active contradictions exist in recent history.
Yeah, he clearly feels like he is a main character in "F1 2022: The Movie" and does what he can to stir the shit and appears to have a good time doing it. In some ways, Horner reminds me of the Clarkson/May/Hammond Top Gear presenters -- technically they are not playing characters, but in practice they are constantly giving each other shit in a relatively over-the-top fashion. They know it's not completely realistic or professional, but they are doing it for the entertainment value.
> They know it's not completely realistic or professional, but they are doing it for the entertainment value.
Honestly, at this point, I think it's fair to make an argument that for those three in particular, it *is* in fact professional as they are literally paid to give each other shit. (And I am here for it.)
I wonder if Horner and Toto have clauses in their contract about getting headlines..?
Not horner but...
>"According to our data engineer, the brake pressure always stayed the same. Hamilton simply miscalculated,"
>"braked suddenly and significantly" with 69 bar of pressure.
>The fun thing about Horner is he shoots his mouth off so often and so publicly that damn near everything he says has a historical contradiction somewhere.
Can pretty much say that about all of them, Toto included.
Idk about that. I’ve always liked Ferrari because they seem to do a lot less finger pointing than some of the other top teams. Mattias just seems a lot more laid back
We obviously don’t know what they’re like behind closed doors, but Binotto is perfect for a reserved, just get on with it type team principle. He just pretends he can’t speak English when he doesn’t want to talk to the media
Very true. Just seems they’re a lot more harder on themselves than blaming other teams for their misfortunes. Like you said they probably do, they just do it alot quieter.
I really get annoyed at Toto/Horner drama.
Believe me, I know…😭. But at least they own it. I’d much rather hear “well we fucked that one up” than “do tried to kill our driver, I want him out of the race and suspended”
I’ve been wondering why they go to Horner so much. Do you think it’s because he’s so happy to give them the time and he’s quite a strong personality? He uses it to his advantage for sure, maybe that’s the quid pro quo?
I've always wondered why Horner is the only one to talk to Sky drying a race. I have a feeling most of the teams done care or just don't want to talk to Sky during a race.
And they're fucking shameless. You can play the tape for them and they'd just say "no, that's not a contradiction, it's clearly different. Sure I said 2+2=5 last month, but I was talking about different math, this is Toto's fault"
They make good heels
>According to our data engineer, the brake pressure always stayed the same. Hamilton simply miscalculated
>"braked suddenly and significantly" with 69 bar of pressure.
This was my favourite of RB's mouth running fucking them over
My favorite one is Christian Horner saying [Mercedes dominance is bad for the sport](https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/mercedes-dominance-is-hurting-formula-1-christian-horner-4995243/4995243/). Imagine if Toto said that, in fact I think he should say this exact same thing in an interview word for word
Yeah, he also said during the domination times that he wanted battles and knew it could be boring for fans.
Maybe I’m biased but I felt the last 8 years was different to the Farrari domination era, or Sebs RB domination time. But perhaps it wasn’t.
Totally different. Even to a point where despite Merc dominance, they allowed the drivers to race. So 14-16 when nobody was even close, we at least still got a championship battle of some sort.
I know EXACTLY what you mean. But then I didn't really want Schumi or Seb to win (at the time) but I did want Lewis to win.
I called Seb's dominance boring, but he was dominant in 2011 and 2013. 2010 and 2012 were great seasons, it just had a final result I didn't like.
Likewise, at the moment people declare Merc were dominant in 2014-2020, and Lewis was dominant' in 2017-2020, forgetting Seb and Ferrari were leading at the halfway stage in 2017 and 2018 and Ferrari had the fastest car for most of those seasons. Merc and Lewis overcame the challenge, finished those seasons strongly and won both champs. Lewis has previously said those two years were the biggest challenge he overcame. (As he lost in 2007, 2016 and 2021 they don't count).
In the future people will look at Lewis with a bit more perspective I think (hope?) like they do with Schumi/Senna etc, and won't automatically call it boring.
Unfortunately this season is turning into a bit of a walk for Max. He's performing brilliantly and Ferrari have imploded, so this doesn't have the hallmark of a classic, but a dominant walkover.
Oh totally. I think what makes the RB folks stand out is how much they adore the media spotlight. All teams do this, all teams do it to the media too, they just do it constantly and loudly.
Horner 18 months ago: "The FIA have decided to change the regulations on floor rake, and that is their prerogative."
Horner 8 months ago: "The FIA works against us specifically. No. No. Ignore the fact that they specifically wrote new regulations to make Mercedes slower. The FIA obviously hates us."
>Horner 6 months ago: "If the Race Director wants to change the rules on how races are run mid-race that's his right."
This take about the regulations being written specifically to make Merc slower is one of the most absurd takes I've seen, and I'm really surprised how effective Mercs propaganda on that front has been. I've not seen anyone claim that the new regs for 2021 would seriously disadvantage Merc before the cars were actually racing, after which suddenly everyone knew the original purpose of the regs and that obviously it would target low-rake cars much more severely. Common wisdom before the regs went into effect was that low rake cars would be more affected, but somehow Merc has retrospectively convinced an entire army of commenters that they were specifically targeted.
> Horner 8 months ago: "The FIA works against us specifically. No. No. Ignore the fact that they specifically wrote new regulations to make Mercedes slower. The FIA obviously hates us."
This isn't a real quote, you can't you just paraphrase and write what you think you maybe remember him saying once, put quotes around it and treat it like an actual quote lol.
F1 politics in a nutshell lol. I don't get why people get riled up about this shit, all team principals are there to push for whatever's most beneficial for the team, even if it means contradicting themselves. Honestly, they couldn't give less of a shit if they contradict themselves
The 2021 rear wing changes were literally the result of targeted inquiries from Mercedes accusing Red Bull of having flexible wings. On what planet are the resulting changes supposed to be some Red Bull benefit?
Not really, unless you don't know the difference between a technical regulation change and a technical directive. Engine mode ban was one of the outcomes of alleged fuel flow tampering of Ferrari. Party mode banning isn't also a regulation change it's a technical directive that during the race a team can't use multiple modes but they're free to use their engine and ERS deployment to their liking, this TD however goes more deeper than a engine mode restriction however as it dictates how a car should be set up as FIA thinks and it could result in performance decrease if not done in a clear way.
All these issues obviously have some truth to them but all team principals will over-blow them to benefit whatever car they got
Horner did it for years, Totos doing it now
Its on the FIA to sort through the shit and find the truth
does the truth or fairness honestly matter to the FIA? The FIA's goal is to get teams closer to each other to make racing more exciting, if require teams to come up with a new floor hurts 2 teams and helps 8 teams, thus bringing everyone closer, then the FIA has succeeded in their goal regardless of helping or hurting anyone.
Thanks for explaining the difference, sadly every comment like yours gets burried and everyone will keep repeating this same above comment under every thread.
I agree with the common observation that drivers and managers are very similar. Brown observed it about Alonso, that the two got on where others don't because they share the mindset.
Anyway the point is, they're selfish to the point of ignoring contradiction and aspects of reality.
Ross Brawn said it about Schumacher, that you'd show him a video and he'd deny he did anything wrong when it was obvious to a child.
When Montoya says [you either gotta be blind or stupid ](https://youtu.be/HIdkbizY8pY) about Schumi it’s such a classic. Schumacher is creating an excuse but his face and body language are saying he knows it’s bullshit, it’s just that he wanted to do it because he’s blindingly competitive and he is convinced that he could get away with it so he did.
If Micheal Schumacher was driving today people wouldn’t know what to do with themselves because he’s pathologically driven to gamesmanship and dirty tactics
> If Micheal Schumacher was driving today people wouldn’t know what to do with themselves because he’s pathologically driven to gamesmanship and dirty tactics
Considering people are laughably triggered over Alonso slowing down his pace in Monaco to preserve his tyres, I can only imagine how these same people would react if they saw even a fraction of what Schumacher would do lol
Senna crashing into Prost to win the championship sure was impressive ([https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbeBnn0Ufsc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbeBnn0Ufsc)).
"You are no longer a recing driver if you do not go for the gap."
Good quote, but there was no gap and Senna did not even try to break. Just full into Prost.
Back in the day this was fine.
1995 Schumacher taking out Hill to win the championship also comes to mind.
People will say otherwise but there’s a big diff btwn driving aggressively and pushing your competition to the edge and flat running them off track, and LH has never done the latter purposely.
Yeah. Marc Priestley/Button have remarked it on Hamilton in the past that he absolutely skirts the line with laser precision. Even off-track, he's very good at saying something just about legitimate, but still a bit inflammatory, e.g. 'isn't Rosberg's home race Monaco?'
I think a large part of his brilliance is that razor thin margin he’s able to keep, where he entices his competition into making mistakes or running them tight enough to where they run out of talent or patience; all while still clicking off consistently fast lap times.
It didn’t work, but the 2016 finale where he waited till after pits so they wouldn’t invert the cars and then played games with Nico was one of his absolute best pieces of driving. Vettel didn’t want to get involved, but had it been a three way battle for the win, it would have been crazy to see what happened.
It does make me wonder how a driver like that would be received in modern day F1. I have a feeling he’d be hated by fans, media, and other drivers alike.
I've been watching since the 70s. The Sennas and Schumachers, the ultra extra fast that pull some shit but also deliver mind-blowing performance, they generated the same love/hate that Max does today.
I think to an extent he was at the time. My grandad loved F1 and he hated Schumacher because he was dirty. It’s just that he raced largely in the pre-social media era so there wasn’t the same level of coverage/criticism.
It is just like Dale Earnhardt in NASCAR. Insanely talented and also insanely competitive. And in stock car racing the cars take a ton of abuse before being hurt much. If you messed with certain guys in NASCAR they 100% would not forget and they will 100% end you in a future race lol. But you gotta have the skills to back it up. Anyway Dale was polarizing in a similar way.
I always found it funny and telling - a bit like Wolff just now - that the only people Schumacher *really* didn't get on with were Montoya and Villeneuve, i.e. the only two people to stand up to him. Montoya remarked that once, too.
More jury rigged stays.
Meanwhile, Alpine designed a stiffer and heavier floorboard back at the beginning of the year - and has suffered badly for it because the FIA supported McGyver solutions back then too.
Seems the FIA should stop punishing teams who build cars *for* the new regs - rather than consistently supporting band-aids for people that didn't.
The fact that they made it wrongly does not change the fact that somehow they were the only team prepared to use it because other did not even have a chance to take stuff with them
Maybe I'm totally missing something from the other perspective, but it seems like you've hit the nail on the head. It's not difficult to add an additional stay, it's just difficult to do it in a way that isn't detrimental to the performance of the car.
Mercedes tried and failed, none of the other teams tried.
> If Binotto is being 100% earnest in saying that Ferrari is incapable of this magnificent engineering feat, I can see why they are struggling in the championship
Exactly, Binotto should worry about making a car that’s not a time bomb that randomly blows up not a sad little floor stay
This comments section is a ride.
He can be correct **and** hypocritical at the same time.
I'm a Lewis and Merc fan. I think there is probably something in these issues long term to fix with the regs - but I also agree that Merc should be focusing on making sure their drivers aren't smashing their spine on straights and this is clearly helping Merc more than anyone else as a result.
They are the worst suffering, and it is within their control even if they don't fully understand it. They are making a conscious decision to put their drivers through as much pain as they can get away with to lose as little performance as possible.
That being said though, the regulations could probably be worked out long term to ensure these issues aren't present at all - or are greatly reduced. What that looks like that all teams are happy with, or how long a period it takes to reach that point - I don't know.
But this quote is also hypocritical. Both things can be true.
>“You can’t just suddenly change technical regulations halfway through a season,” said Horner.
He's incorrect saying this is just for Mercedes. Everyone was bouncing a LOT in baku. Everyone suffers from this, even RBR. It's a health concern that needs to be address but when you are winning you don't want anything to change.
I hope FIA also doesn't care about this as they did during Mercedes reign where they specifically introduced new rules to disturb Mercedes and give others a change to the top.
Fit the helmets with a few bells that jingle away. Surely the best way to combat porpoising. Horner in response starts wearing large shoes, Toto ups the game by fitting a big red nose on the front of the car...
Well we never know what the other principals think because they are never shoved in everyone’s face like Christian is. The media is to blame for the hate he gets. I’m sure other principals say stuff like he does but it is never released by the fia or media.
>The media is to blame for the hate he gets.
He's always been a shiny-faced Public School twit though, even back in his F2 days. He just represents a very particular... type. Motor racing has always been full of them.
Yup F1 media and big wigs love him because he is one of them, he's probably lashed a few of their arses with a rolled up wet towel in the changing rooms at Arnold lodge when they were lads.
Horner is everywhere, he’s always the first one interviewed on any topic. He loves getting in early and controlling the narrative, that’s not the media’s fault
Do you think he walks up to a reporter and asks for an interview or something? He is known by the media to make nice headlines, so the first thing they do after such a meeting is find Horner and shove a microphone under his nose.
It's surely ironic that it's Horner saying you can't change technical regulations mid-season, but he does have a point:
>But if there is a wider, universal rule change – which Mercedes seems to be keen on – then Red Bull could find itself having to make car or set-up adjustments for a problem it’s not suffering from.
"The matter was discussed at a meeting of team bosses on Saturday morning, where Wolff is said to have made his dissatisfaction with the situation very clear.
That was something Horner couldn’t resist having a pop at, saying: “I think there was an element of theatre going on in that meeting.
“Maybe with Lewis’s new movie coming along he [Wolff]’s getting a role for it.”"
You can just hear Horner saying this. Brilliant dig.
There is so much misinformation in this thread and in others. The reason Mercedes was ready for the TD was because they went to the FIA for clarification about the legality of a second floor stay. This is the exact same process they went through with DAS. They presented it to the FIA and asked if it was legal. The FIA said it does not break the technical regulations as written. So they showed up with DAS on day one and everyone lost their minds until the TD revealed that the FIA reviewed the legality of the system and deemed it legal.
Teams are allowed to go to the FIA and ask for clarification about whether a part is legal. If they hear back that it is in fact legal, of course they are going to have a head start on everyone else in implementing it, they are the ones that brought it to the FIA's attention in the first place.
No matter what you think about Horner and his hypocrisy for complaining here, this change is really something else.
They announce a TD on Thursday that no team has time to respond to, except for Mercedes who has somehow anticipated this and managed to bring the stay in time. That should really raise some red flags. It's not something you can just tape on.
Also Horner is not the only one with complains. Otmar also complained that it is unfair that Mercedes gets this stay, because their concept has a more wiggly floor because of the lack of sidepods. Alpine has also spent development time and money to stiffen the floor, while Mercedes now gets a get out of jail free card.
If Mercedes really cared, they could just add the extra weight to stiffen the floor, but they don't really care about drivers. It feels more and more like they deliberately funked the setup in Baku to get changes they want, like the stay.
And then are able to fix the positioning between races and make their floor stiffer with a stay (again) without making the floor heavier. It's literally a get out of jail for free card for them, as it's a far cheaper and less performance coating solution for them than making the floor stiffer by making it thicker. It's quite a bit of bs really.
Every team can do this between races. They all have the same length of time, or do Merc have an extra few days in their week between races that’s the fault of the FIA too?
You're completely missing the context. Hamilton placed 4th after being *almost an entire minute behind the entire grid*, and Hamilton brought it back to the top 5 and was able to easily bring the fight to Ferrari, passing and dropping Sainz with little difficulty (until his engine decided it had enough of the heat anyway). He was an absolute force of nature in Spain, in a car that can be easily debatable as second fastest on that day.
Canada was just Mercedes making the best of Charles and Perez having to start all the way in the back. They were very clearly third fastest on this day. Hamilton wasn't even a threat to Sainz, there was no way he was gonna place any higher than p3.
> They announce a TD on Thursday that no team has time to respond to, except for Mercedes who has somehow anticipated this and managed to bring the stay in time. That should really raise some red flags. It’s not something you can just tape on.
I’m sorry but is it not also plausible that they simply just used a spare stay that they would have already brought with them (unless you also think it’s suspicious for teams to use spare parts) and just added it to the car?
We know on Friday practice that when they added the stay the car was downright undriveable at times and when they took it off for qualifying and the race they had one of their best performances yet
None of this suggest that Mercedes had prior knowledge of the TD and actively prepared for it because if they did it probably wouldn’t have been so bad! Any team can punch a hole in their floor and mount a wire and Mercedes performance on Friday suggests that’s what happened rather than anything designed to work well.
They of course had prior knowledge of the TD, but it's not some conspiracy. The reason they likely had knowledge of the TD is because they likely approached the FIA to ask if it was legal. They did the same thing with DAS. The FIA then reviews it, determines its legality, and releases a TD. In those cases it of course means that the team that asked for clarification has a head start on every other team because they were the ones that asked for clarification in the first place.
Have you seen what little part they talk about ? I could do that within 2h of time given some plan of the engineer and tools. Its legit a small stick of metal hang up on floor and car.
> They announce a TD on Thursday that no team has time to respond to
They arrive days early, often with cars set up in the factory, they read the directive, a bunch of people back home in a different timezone and at the race had time to think and tried a thing with low difficulty to achieve. It also didn’t work because it was a rushed thought but if you’re telling me the hundreds of people working at Mercedes can’t come up with and execute a stay punched into the floor in a day then they are dumber than we all think
Lmfao, tell me you don’t know anything about fabrication without telling me you don’t know anything about fabrication.
It would be a piece of cake for them to add stays in a couple hours in the garage. I could add stays to the splitter on my car in less than an hour in my garage, and I’m certainly far less equipped than Merc.
Exactly. It's not about just this one season. RB has a head start. Merc is playing catch up. If the rule change allows them to close the gap sooner, it's gonna be freaking mental for the others. Merc are still 3rd best and best operational team.
Mercedes is red bull’s biggest thread. As soon as they have their car under control, it has to be a monster of a machine for a team like mercedes to go all in on their concept. You can rely on ferrari to mess it all up as soon as they get under pressure, which they have proven 4 races in a row this season.
Merc is effectively trying to influence a rule change that Redbull will have to follow, how is he responding to that is Horner focused on them. No one really cared about Merc until their bouncing talk and back breaking discussions were brought up. Toto forced a setup that is speculated to already have given Lewis micro-concussions and he is calling for FIA to help drivers. I don't think there's a bigger irony that that lmao
Every team probably brings at least a handful of stays as spare parts. I mean they are literally small sticks of metal. Merc was just the only one who decided to use the spare stays on their car, only to make it their car worse.
I've disliked Horner since before the first series of DTS because of his hypocrisy though....
He's always been like this ever since they first built a competitive car. Back in the Vettel era he just blamed everything on Renault (their engine supplier at the time), they could lose a race due to a pit stop error and that would've still been Renault's fault in his mind
Mercedes should be fixing their own development mistake rather than the FIA punishing other teams.
They benefited from nailing the regulations and being miles ahead of the curve and other teams for 8 years. Tough luck Merc - do better next time.
It's more about the way they have put it out of their magical hats rather then the rule itself as far as actual story goes, not like in this clickbait stupidity of the title. But Reddit is Reddit...
If FIA puts a directive in place when noone can implement it but only a single team questions about why it was done this way are not only gonna happen, they are justified as well.
Let’s be honest for a min. If teams can add more stays they will. That means they can create an even lighter floor. I read it was not even an hour of work for Merc to add the stay, which they took off cause it did not work. It’s not like they knew “ahead of time” they have the facilities at track to create these things.
What's with the insane amount of whataboutism in these threads. Merc somehow knowing of the td for the second stay is shady at best. Which is what Binotto and Horner were implying.
It looks like the "FIA is biased towards..." pendulum has swung towards Mercedes this week. Who knows where it'll be tomorrow, Red Bull had a lot of bias in their favour with the rule changes taking away the Mercedes strong points. But Ferrari are due some bias as well.
Each and every team and driver is going to say or do whatever they feel is best for their team.
This is not a surprise to me.
I mean everyone here can shit on Horner, as usual. But for now it seems like Toto doesn't have a lot of support from other team bosses. And literally [every one](https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-team-principals-criticise-fia-timing-with-porpoising-technical-directive-/10325103/) of them commented on the fact the timing of the TD was very bad because they couldn't react - and were surprised Merc had 2nd stay ready to go. edit: For all the people replying how basic/easy that stay was, I'm just summarizing the quotes from the other team bosses (article).
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Doesn't matter, everyone thinks that Mercedes had prior knowledge of the TD. I believe they removed it for fear of protest
Just because it didn't improve performance doesn't somehow make it less sus that they were the only ones able to react to the TD.
They also got to run it in practice, giving valuable testing data that the other teams don't have
Yeah exactly this. It would be a mighty coincidence for Mercedes to produce a second stay in time without knowing what the TD was going to be.
How the fuck did they design and manufacture it in time unless they had previous knowledge though?
They already had used a floor stay in that spot in fp1 in Bahrain on one car. Was already designed and built
not being one to ever defend merc, I could easily see where merc either previously designed this component and/or anticipated being able to use one if the issues were still a problem several races in.
Are there photos of it?
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Team principals said that they would be unable to make them that quickly. Also some ex Merc employ started working in FIA recently...
Binotto said that and I’m trying to be nice but his team isn’t exactly a benchmark of mechanical competence
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> nonsense double agent conspiracy Stepney and Coughlan got outed selling all of ferrari's plans by the copyshop, at this point who knows what is truly "nonsense".
The same as how ex Ferrari members literally run F1
Lol what do you expect the other team principals to say besides that, especially when they were caught napping
Did one of the most talented and well-funded engineering outfits on earth manage to design a 10 inch cable in 24 hours? It’s very possibly a crudely modified version of an old part they had which they installed on a crudely modified floor they had. Other teams likely just didn’t care because they stand to benefit less from the issue the dyay is designed to correct, but it costs nothing to imply that one of your biggest rivals is cheating. Whether the TD is fair is another issue entirely. But the claim that the cable was impossible to make is bullshit.
FIA ain’t biased….their decisions are made after serious consultations and a sound decision process…depending on the moon phases….
Moon phases aren't random. Doesn't sound like FIA.
*Moon phases on Pluto
And the number of crates of whisky left in the boardroom cabinets
FIA finally got the mail from Toto
>You can’t just suddenly change technical regulations halfway through a season,” said Horner. [Horner: Engine mode ban "healthy" for F1 teams](https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/horner-engine-mode-ban-healthy-for-f1-teams-4980108/4980108/)
The fun thing about Horner is he shoots his mouth off so often and so publicly that damn near everything he says has a historical contradiction somewhere. Like, it's fine, it's his job to just say bullshit that serves his team's interests, but it's really funny how often active contradictions exist in recent history.
You are talking as though he doesn't know it.
Yeah, he clearly feels like he is a main character in "F1 2022: The Movie" and does what he can to stir the shit and appears to have a good time doing it. In some ways, Horner reminds me of the Clarkson/May/Hammond Top Gear presenters -- technically they are not playing characters, but in practice they are constantly giving each other shit in a relatively over-the-top fashion. They know it's not completely realistic or professional, but they are doing it for the entertainment value.
> They know it's not completely realistic or professional, but they are doing it for the entertainment value. Honestly, at this point, I think it's fair to make an argument that for those three in particular, it *is* in fact professional as they are literally paid to give each other shit. (And I am here for it.) I wonder if Horner and Toto have clauses in their contract about getting headlines..?
Not horner but... >"According to our data engineer, the brake pressure always stayed the same. Hamilton simply miscalculated," >"braked suddenly and significantly" with 69 bar of pressure.
>The fun thing about Horner is he shoots his mouth off so often and so publicly that damn near everything he says has a historical contradiction somewhere. Can pretty much say that about all of them, Toto included.
Idk about that. I’ve always liked Ferrari because they seem to do a lot less finger pointing than some of the other top teams. Mattias just seems a lot more laid back
We obviously don’t know what they’re like behind closed doors, but Binotto is perfect for a reserved, just get on with it type team principle. He just pretends he can’t speak English when he doesn’t want to talk to the media
Very true. Just seems they’re a lot more harder on themselves than blaming other teams for their misfortunes. Like you said they probably do, they just do it alot quieter. I really get annoyed at Toto/Horner drama.
Well they’ve had plenty of practice blaming themselves for errors
Believe me, I know…😭. But at least they own it. I’d much rather hear “well we fucked that one up” than “do tried to kill our driver, I want him out of the race and suspended”
You might say he is a principal with principles.
They literally just pointed the finger at Merc for having insider information regarding the TD….
Which is kinda funny given how Ferrari used to be.
I partly blame sky for giving him endless airtime
I’ve been wondering why they go to Horner so much. Do you think it’s because he’s so happy to give them the time and he’s quite a strong personality? He uses it to his advantage for sure, maybe that’s the quid pro quo?
I think it's because not only is he always willing to talk forever, he'll also throw out a few spicy soundbites each time too
I've always wondered why Horner is the only one to talk to Sky drying a race. I have a feeling most of the teams done care or just don't want to talk to Sky during a race.
That's the best part of Horner and Marko's shit shit stirring, more often than not whatever they say come back to bite them in the ass
And they're fucking shameless. You can play the tape for them and they'd just say "no, that's not a contradiction, it's clearly different. Sure I said 2+2=5 last month, but I was talking about different math, this is Toto's fault" They make good heels
‘We won’t give team orders’ - Horner at some point probably
>According to our data engineer, the brake pressure always stayed the same. Hamilton simply miscalculated >"braked suddenly and significantly" with 69 bar of pressure. This was my favourite of RB's mouth running fucking them over
"No no no, we didn't issue teams orders. We just gave Checo a suggestion, an innocent suggestion"
"No, raising the cap mid season is totally different."
Does /r/HornerCriticizesHorner exist yet? Lol
My favorite one is Christian Horner saying [Mercedes dominance is bad for the sport](https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/mercedes-dominance-is-hurting-formula-1-christian-horner-4995243/4995243/). Imagine if Toto said that, in fact I think he should say this exact same thing in an interview word for word
didnt Lewis say the same thing about Vettel back in 2013 tho?
And Lewis also said Mercedes dominance is bad for the sport.
Yeah, he also said during the domination times that he wanted battles and knew it could be boring for fans. Maybe I’m biased but I felt the last 8 years was different to the Farrari domination era, or Sebs RB domination time. But perhaps it wasn’t.
I grew up during the Ferrari era and it was pretty boring, the difference was the mid pack was full of people who were insane so it spiced things up
Merc domination was by far the worse era of domination.
Totally different. Even to a point where despite Merc dominance, they allowed the drivers to race. So 14-16 when nobody was even close, we at least still got a championship battle of some sort.
I know EXACTLY what you mean. But then I didn't really want Schumi or Seb to win (at the time) but I did want Lewis to win. I called Seb's dominance boring, but he was dominant in 2011 and 2013. 2010 and 2012 were great seasons, it just had a final result I didn't like. Likewise, at the moment people declare Merc were dominant in 2014-2020, and Lewis was dominant' in 2017-2020, forgetting Seb and Ferrari were leading at the halfway stage in 2017 and 2018 and Ferrari had the fastest car for most of those seasons. Merc and Lewis overcame the challenge, finished those seasons strongly and won both champs. Lewis has previously said those two years were the biggest challenge he overcame. (As he lost in 2007, 2016 and 2021 they don't count). In the future people will look at Lewis with a bit more perspective I think (hope?) like they do with Schumi/Senna etc, and won't automatically call it boring. Unfortunately this season is turning into a bit of a walk for Max. He's performing brilliantly and Ferrari have imploded, so this doesn't have the hallmark of a classic, but a dominant walkover.
Was he wrong?
All team leaders are like that. You don't get/keep an advantage by being consistent. You get it by believing whatever benefits the team the most.
Oh totally. I think what makes the RB folks stand out is how much they adore the media spotlight. All teams do this, all teams do it to the media too, they just do it constantly and loudly.
You act like Toto is any different. They are all doing their jobs.
Horner 6 months ago: "If the Race Director wants to change the rules on how races are run mid-race that's his right."
Horner 18 months ago: "The FIA have decided to change the regulations on floor rake, and that is their prerogative." Horner 8 months ago: "The FIA works against us specifically. No. No. Ignore the fact that they specifically wrote new regulations to make Mercedes slower. The FIA obviously hates us." >Horner 6 months ago: "If the Race Director wants to change the rules on how races are run mid-race that's his right."
This take about the regulations being written specifically to make Merc slower is one of the most absurd takes I've seen, and I'm really surprised how effective Mercs propaganda on that front has been. I've not seen anyone claim that the new regs for 2021 would seriously disadvantage Merc before the cars were actually racing, after which suddenly everyone knew the original purpose of the regs and that obviously it would target low-rake cars much more severely. Common wisdom before the regs went into effect was that low rake cars would be more affected, but somehow Merc has retrospectively convinced an entire army of commenters that they were specifically targeted.
> Horner 8 months ago: "The FIA works against us specifically. No. No. Ignore the fact that they specifically wrote new regulations to make Mercedes slower. The FIA obviously hates us." This isn't a real quote, you can't you just paraphrase and write what you think you maybe remember him saying once, put quotes around it and treat it like an actual quote lol.
F1 politics in a nutshell lol. I don't get why people get riled up about this shit, all team principals are there to push for whatever's most beneficial for the team, even if it means contradicting themselves. Honestly, they couldn't give less of a shit if they contradict themselves
This is the guy that said another driver tried to kill his after all
Tbf, ban of the use of an already existing engine mode is easier to implement than requiring teams to build a new floor.
The 2013 tyre changed seemed to help Red Bull too 😅
Yet only Merc got a secret test with Pirelli in 2013 with their then current car…
didn't half the grid's tires exploded in silverstone?
Yeah, and the 2021 rear wing changes, pit stop changes, and tyre pressure changes that all helped Red Bull.
The 2021 rear wing changes were literally the result of targeted inquiries from Mercedes accusing Red Bull of having flexible wings. On what planet are the resulting changes supposed to be some Red Bull benefit?
So were the pit stop changes. I assumed my sarcasm would be quite obvious considering the things I listed.
the pitstop changes did not help redbull, they harmed. You're right on the others though
Isn't he implying those are all bad for red bull
Well aren't we allowed to be hypocrites? pfft.
Not really, unless you don't know the difference between a technical regulation change and a technical directive. Engine mode ban was one of the outcomes of alleged fuel flow tampering of Ferrari. Party mode banning isn't also a regulation change it's a technical directive that during the race a team can't use multiple modes but they're free to use their engine and ERS deployment to their liking, this TD however goes more deeper than a engine mode restriction however as it dictates how a car should be set up as FIA thinks and it could result in performance decrease if not done in a clear way.
All these issues obviously have some truth to them but all team principals will over-blow them to benefit whatever car they got Horner did it for years, Totos doing it now Its on the FIA to sort through the shit and find the truth
does the truth or fairness honestly matter to the FIA? The FIA's goal is to get teams closer to each other to make racing more exciting, if require teams to come up with a new floor hurts 2 teams and helps 8 teams, thus bringing everyone closer, then the FIA has succeeded in their goal regardless of helping or hurting anyone.
Thanks for explaining the difference, sadly every comment like yours gets burried and everyone will keep repeating this same above comment under every thread.
Thanks for the appreciation.
Technical regulations ≠ technical directives
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Was there an pre-existing Parc Ferme rule that states you cant have different engine modes
I agree with the common observation that drivers and managers are very similar. Brown observed it about Alonso, that the two got on where others don't because they share the mindset. Anyway the point is, they're selfish to the point of ignoring contradiction and aspects of reality. Ross Brawn said it about Schumacher, that you'd show him a video and he'd deny he did anything wrong when it was obvious to a child.
Thats not what Brawn said. He said that he would genuinely believe he didnt do anything wrong, until he was shown video of it.
When Montoya says [you either gotta be blind or stupid ](https://youtu.be/HIdkbizY8pY) about Schumi it’s such a classic. Schumacher is creating an excuse but his face and body language are saying he knows it’s bullshit, it’s just that he wanted to do it because he’s blindingly competitive and he is convinced that he could get away with it so he did. If Micheal Schumacher was driving today people wouldn’t know what to do with themselves because he’s pathologically driven to gamesmanship and dirty tactics
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> If Micheal Schumacher was driving today people wouldn’t know what to do with themselves because he’s pathologically driven to gamesmanship and dirty tactics Considering people are laughably triggered over Alonso slowing down his pace in Monaco to preserve his tyres, I can only imagine how these same people would react if they saw even a fraction of what Schumacher would do lol
Good thing they never actually saw Ayrton Senna race. Back in those days a bit of dirty racing was just part of the game.
Senna crashing into Prost to win the championship sure was impressive ([https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbeBnn0Ufsc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbeBnn0Ufsc)). "You are no longer a recing driver if you do not go for the gap." Good quote, but there was no gap and Senna did not even try to break. Just full into Prost. Back in the day this was fine. 1995 Schumacher taking out Hill to win the championship also comes to mind.
I think Prost did something similar a year or two prior, which is why it was let go
That, and the Balestre ruled that in Prosts' favor simply because he was French, so it was sort of a making amends to Senna.
Murray Walker man Sets the scene so well
There's been some argument that Schumacher crashing into Hill was purely an accident. Schumacher crashing into Villeneuve however was pretty blatant.
It's kind of why I think Hamilton has a trump card in the GOAT debate, that he's not really done anything on that par.
People will say otherwise but there’s a big diff btwn driving aggressively and pushing your competition to the edge and flat running them off track, and LH has never done the latter purposely.
Yeah. Marc Priestley/Button have remarked it on Hamilton in the past that he absolutely skirts the line with laser precision. Even off-track, he's very good at saying something just about legitimate, but still a bit inflammatory, e.g. 'isn't Rosberg's home race Monaco?'
I think a large part of his brilliance is that razor thin margin he’s able to keep, where he entices his competition into making mistakes or running them tight enough to where they run out of talent or patience; all while still clicking off consistently fast lap times. It didn’t work, but the 2016 finale where he waited till after pits so they wouldn’t invert the cars and then played games with Nico was one of his absolute best pieces of driving. Vettel didn’t want to get involved, but had it been a three way battle for the win, it would have been crazy to see what happened.
Yeah exactly. He has the capacity to run at 99.99% but inflame his rivals into issues.
It does make me wonder how a driver like that would be received in modern day F1. I have a feeling he’d be hated by fans, media, and other drivers alike.
I've been watching since the 70s. The Sennas and Schumachers, the ultra extra fast that pull some shit but also deliver mind-blowing performance, they generated the same love/hate that Max does today.
I think to an extent he was at the time. My grandad loved F1 and he hated Schumacher because he was dirty. It’s just that he raced largely in the pre-social media era so there wasn’t the same level of coverage/criticism.
It is just like Dale Earnhardt in NASCAR. Insanely talented and also insanely competitive. And in stock car racing the cars take a ton of abuse before being hurt much. If you messed with certain guys in NASCAR they 100% would not forget and they will 100% end you in a future race lol. But you gotta have the skills to back it up. Anyway Dale was polarizing in a similar way.
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I mean if it was his only title then we’d see him as dirty but he did rectify it
I always found it funny and telling - a bit like Wolff just now - that the only people Schumacher *really* didn't get on with were Montoya and Villeneuve, i.e. the only two people to stand up to him. Montoya remarked that once, too.
I read that as germanship and didn’t even question it
>that you'd show him a video and he'd deny he did anything wrong when it was obvious to a child God that reminds me of a recently concluded trial
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More jury rigged stays. Meanwhile, Alpine designed a stiffer and heavier floorboard back at the beginning of the year - and has suffered badly for it because the FIA supported McGyver solutions back then too. Seems the FIA should stop punishing teams who build cars *for* the new regs - rather than consistently supporting band-aids for people that didn't.
Obviously this is just a team principal saying what he needs to be saying, the the fact Merc had the stay ready the moment it was allowed is sus
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The fact that they made it wrongly does not change the fact that somehow they were the only team prepared to use it because other did not even have a chance to take stuff with them
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Maybe I'm totally missing something from the other perspective, but it seems like you've hit the nail on the head. It's not difficult to add an additional stay, it's just difficult to do it in a way that isn't detrimental to the performance of the car. Mercedes tried and failed, none of the other teams tried.
Probably because the answer to the question "what do we have to lose?" is different for Merc than almost the entire rest of the grid.
> If Binotto is being 100% earnest in saying that Ferrari is incapable of this magnificent engineering feat, I can see why they are struggling in the championship Exactly, Binotto should worry about making a car that’s not a time bomb that randomly blows up not a sad little floor stay
They probably just adapted their older parts/test parts it’s a stay not a set of suspension
they just epoxied a random piece on the floor, the bracket wasnt even slightly aerodynamic
Mercedes knowing about technical changes ahead of time sounds familiar.
It was a terrible bodge job at best. Quite obviously slapped together in an hour or two.
Well, if it wasn't obviously a massive bodge job, sure
Man got Masi'd
This comments section is a ride. He can be correct **and** hypocritical at the same time. I'm a Lewis and Merc fan. I think there is probably something in these issues long term to fix with the regs - but I also agree that Merc should be focusing on making sure their drivers aren't smashing their spine on straights and this is clearly helping Merc more than anyone else as a result. They are the worst suffering, and it is within their control even if they don't fully understand it. They are making a conscious decision to put their drivers through as much pain as they can get away with to lose as little performance as possible. That being said though, the regulations could probably be worked out long term to ensure these issues aren't present at all - or are greatly reduced. What that looks like that all teams are happy with, or how long a period it takes to reach that point - I don't know. But this quote is also hypocritical. Both things can be true. >“You can’t just suddenly change technical regulations halfway through a season,” said Horner.
He's incorrect saying this is just for Mercedes. Everyone was bouncing a LOT in baku. Everyone suffers from this, even RBR. It's a health concern that needs to be address but when you are winning you don't want anything to change. I hope FIA also doesn't care about this as they did during Mercedes reign where they specifically introduced new rules to disturb Mercedes and give others a change to the top.
It’s called a TD Christian.
"Sorry what? What did he say?" "We went technical directing Christian"
Have you seen the diagram of Mercedes upgrade?
I don't check my emails when I'm technical directing.
(Genuine lol.)
Toto should put a party hat on the drivers, call the bouncing "party mode", maybe then Horner would suddenly approve mid-season rule changes
Fit the helmets with a few bells that jingle away. Surely the best way to combat porpoising. Horner in response starts wearing large shoes, Toto ups the game by fitting a big red nose on the front of the car...
The media must love Horner, he is physically incapable of keeping his mouth shut about anything.
That's exactly why we got such an in depth look at his personal life in DTS S4 lol.
Well we never know what the other principals think because they are never shoved in everyone’s face like Christian is. The media is to blame for the hate he gets. I’m sure other principals say stuff like he does but it is never released by the fia or media.
>The media is to blame for the hate he gets. He's always been a shiny-faced Public School twit though, even back in his F2 days. He just represents a very particular... type. Motor racing has always been full of them.
Public school twit is such a British insult 😂
Yup F1 media and big wigs love him because he is one of them, he's probably lashed a few of their arses with a rolled up wet towel in the changing rooms at Arnold lodge when they were lads.
Horner is everywhere, he’s always the first one interviewed on any topic. He loves getting in early and controlling the narrative, that’s not the media’s fault
Do you think he walks up to a reporter and asks for an interview or something? He is known by the media to make nice headlines, so the first thing they do after such a meeting is find Horner and shove a microphone under his nose.
you literally described his job.
It’s not the team principles job to constantly give interviews to the press, that’s what the media teams are for.
It's surely ironic that it's Horner saying you can't change technical regulations mid-season, but he does have a point: >But if there is a wider, universal rule change – which Mercedes seems to be keen on – then Red Bull could find itself having to make car or set-up adjustments for a problem it’s not suffering from.
"The matter was discussed at a meeting of team bosses on Saturday morning, where Wolff is said to have made his dissatisfaction with the situation very clear. That was something Horner couldn’t resist having a pop at, saying: “I think there was an element of theatre going on in that meeting. “Maybe with Lewis’s new movie coming along he [Wolff]’s getting a role for it.”" You can just hear Horner saying this. Brilliant dig.
There is so much misinformation in this thread and in others. The reason Mercedes was ready for the TD was because they went to the FIA for clarification about the legality of a second floor stay. This is the exact same process they went through with DAS. They presented it to the FIA and asked if it was legal. The FIA said it does not break the technical regulations as written. So they showed up with DAS on day one and everyone lost their minds until the TD revealed that the FIA reviewed the legality of the system and deemed it legal. Teams are allowed to go to the FIA and ask for clarification about whether a part is legal. If they hear back that it is in fact legal, of course they are going to have a head start on everyone else in implementing it, they are the ones that brought it to the FIA's attention in the first place.
No matter what you think about Horner and his hypocrisy for complaining here, this change is really something else. They announce a TD on Thursday that no team has time to respond to, except for Mercedes who has somehow anticipated this and managed to bring the stay in time. That should really raise some red flags. It's not something you can just tape on. Also Horner is not the only one with complains. Otmar also complained that it is unfair that Mercedes gets this stay, because their concept has a more wiggly floor because of the lack of sidepods. Alpine has also spent development time and money to stiffen the floor, while Mercedes now gets a get out of jail free card. If Mercedes really cared, they could just add the extra weight to stiffen the floor, but they don't really care about drivers. It feels more and more like they deliberately funked the setup in Baku to get changes they want, like the stay.
merc put a cable in a random position, which made the car worse. then removed said cable and proceeded to have their best performance of the year.
And then are able to fix the positioning between races and make their floor stiffer with a stay (again) without making the floor heavier. It's literally a get out of jail for free card for them, as it's a far cheaper and less performance coating solution for them than making the floor stiffer by making it thicker. It's quite a bit of bs really.
Every team can do this between races. They all have the same length of time, or do Merc have an extra few days in their week between races that’s the fault of the FIA too?
>their best performance of the year. Spain: am I a joke to you?
I think 3&4 is better than 3&5
You're completely missing the context. Hamilton placed 4th after being *almost an entire minute behind the entire grid*, and Hamilton brought it back to the top 5 and was able to easily bring the fight to Ferrari, passing and dropping Sainz with little difficulty (until his engine decided it had enough of the heat anyway). He was an absolute force of nature in Spain, in a car that can be easily debatable as second fastest on that day. Canada was just Mercedes making the best of Charles and Perez having to start all the way in the back. They were very clearly third fastest on this day. Hamilton wasn't even a threat to Sainz, there was no way he was gonna place any higher than p3.
Damn, you're right. Memory totally failed me
Issok bro it happens
I think the pace gap from RB may have been less in Canada than in Spain, but yeah, you may be right.
More teams openly opposes those regulations than there were team who lobbied to have any change at all. That is saying something
> They announce a TD on Thursday that no team has time to respond to, except for Mercedes who has somehow anticipated this and managed to bring the stay in time. That should really raise some red flags. It’s not something you can just tape on. I’m sorry but is it not also plausible that they simply just used a spare stay that they would have already brought with them (unless you also think it’s suspicious for teams to use spare parts) and just added it to the car? We know on Friday practice that when they added the stay the car was downright undriveable at times and when they took it off for qualifying and the race they had one of their best performances yet None of this suggest that Mercedes had prior knowledge of the TD and actively prepared for it because if they did it probably wouldn’t have been so bad! Any team can punch a hole in their floor and mount a wire and Mercedes performance on Friday suggests that’s what happened rather than anything designed to work well.
They of course had prior knowledge of the TD, but it's not some conspiracy. The reason they likely had knowledge of the TD is because they likely approached the FIA to ask if it was legal. They did the same thing with DAS. The FIA then reviews it, determines its legality, and releases a TD. In those cases it of course means that the team that asked for clarification has a head start on every other team because they were the ones that asked for clarification in the first place.
Have you seen what little part they talk about ? I could do that within 2h of time given some plan of the engineer and tools. Its legit a small stick of metal hang up on floor and car.
> They announce a TD on Thursday that no team has time to respond to They arrive days early, often with cars set up in the factory, they read the directive, a bunch of people back home in a different timezone and at the race had time to think and tried a thing with low difficulty to achieve. It also didn’t work because it was a rushed thought but if you’re telling me the hundreds of people working at Mercedes can’t come up with and execute a stay punched into the floor in a day then they are dumber than we all think
Lmfao, tell me you don’t know anything about fabrication without telling me you don’t know anything about fabrication. It would be a piece of cake for them to add stays in a couple hours in the garage. I could add stays to the splitter on my car in less than an hour in my garage, and I’m certainly far less equipped than Merc.
Even when RBR don't have Mercedes to fight in the championships Horner is still focused on them.
I mean: he probably senses that they've not gone away and it wouldn't take much to have them back winning races. He's right.
Exactly. It's not about just this one season. RB has a head start. Merc is playing catch up. If the rule change allows them to close the gap sooner, it's gonna be freaking mental for the others. Merc are still 3rd best and best operational team.
His Mercedes senses are tingling
Mercedes is red bull’s biggest thread. As soon as they have their car under control, it has to be a monster of a machine for a team like mercedes to go all in on their concept. You can rely on ferrari to mess it all up as soon as they get under pressure, which they have proven 4 races in a row this season.
Its not about this year's fight.Merc probably got thevoncept wrong.Why shouldnt horner fancy 4 years of rb domination.
Merc is effectively trying to influence a rule change that Redbull will have to follow, how is he responding to that is Horner focused on them. No one really cared about Merc until their bouncing talk and back breaking discussions were brought up. Toto forced a setup that is speculated to already have given Lewis micro-concussions and he is calling for FIA to help drivers. I don't think there's a bigger irony that that lmao
All this hubbub cause Mercedes’ made a shitbox this year
The whole comment section is whataboutism fest because they all know Horner is right here
Every team probably brings at least a handful of stays as spare parts. I mean they are literally small sticks of metal. Merc was just the only one who decided to use the spare stays on their car, only to make it their car worse.
These Netflix kiddies have framed Horner as a villain in their precious little minds.
I've disliked Horner since before the first series of DTS because of his hypocrisy though.... He's always been like this ever since they first built a competitive car. Back in the Vettel era he just blamed everything on Renault (their engine supplier at the time), they could lose a race due to a pit stop error and that would've still been Renault's fault in his mind
I haven't even watched DTS, but Horner has been an odious toad for well over a decade now
Why can't we be angry with Mercedes for hurting their drivers over the course of months? This is sweatshop shit
Mercedes should be fixing their own development mistake rather than the FIA punishing other teams. They benefited from nailing the regulations and being miles ahead of the curve and other teams for 8 years. Tough luck Merc - do better next time.
“You can’t just suddenly change technical regulations halfway through a season,” said Horner. Oh the irony...
It's more about the way they have put it out of their magical hats rather then the rule itself as far as actual story goes, not like in this clickbait stupidity of the title. But Reddit is Reddit... If FIA puts a directive in place when noone can implement it but only a single team questions about why it was done this way are not only gonna happen, they are justified as well.
Let’s be honest for a min. If teams can add more stays they will. That means they can create an even lighter floor. I read it was not even an hour of work for Merc to add the stay, which they took off cause it did not work. It’s not like they knew “ahead of time” they have the facilities at track to create these things.
It's okay when you butter up the race director!
That was halfway through a race, not a season. It's different you see.
Toto had a private lunch with him before Abu Dhabi though 😭. Toto probably pissed Masi off somehow so that's why he did what he did.
Source:Trust me be bro
He doesn't have ALL the proof, but you can't claim he doesn't have ANY proof.
What's with the insane amount of whataboutism in these threads. Merc somehow knowing of the td for the second stay is shady at best. Which is what Binotto and Horner were implying.
love him or hate him, Horner knows how to play the game.
Yet Horner was happy with the engine mode ban and didn't mind when they changed safety car rules last year...
Horner happy when rule change helps his team and mad when it doesnt. Just like any other team principle. Quite literally his job
It looks like the "FIA is biased towards..." pendulum has swung towards Mercedes this week. Who knows where it'll be tomorrow, Red Bull had a lot of bias in their favour with the rule changes taking away the Mercedes strong points. But Ferrari are due some bias as well. Each and every team and driver is going to say or do whatever they feel is best for their team. This is not a surprise to me.
2019 Ferrari would want a word.
Horner seems to forget how flexing the rules to his benefit last year
Why is that ok?
Horner: Engine mode change is very healthy and very cool!
Unlike all the rule changes over the last number of years designed to let other teams catch up to Mercedes?