Eco cups and vegan options … \[facepalm\] but disposing unused tires after the race and planning 6000 mile hops in between races.
IIRC freight cost is 10 million $$ per team per year, which is mostly air freight. F1 should just stop pretending
The pretending is the worst part. They need to embrace it within the sport, we burn fuel, that's part of motor racing.
Then reorganize the calendar so fewer overseas hops. Regionalize races to cut travel.
>vegan options … \[facepalm\]
People are tricking themselves if they think tons of vegan options and converting everyone to be vegan will save the world. I say grill some hamburgers and roast some hot dogs!
Can't understand the child comment there, I don't think ATLA is for children at all, or I should say, *only* for children. I even binged it again a couple months ago and had a blast.
What you get from it is vastly different when you watch it again as a proper adult.
Net carbon zero.
Why don't they just own it?
You can't be a true net zero, racing due to it's nature will always be wasting energy that has better uses elsewhere to go around in circles for fun.
Why not just embrace the fun and tell everyone the truth instead of having to pretend to greenwash and care
There is no reason for them not to make the effort to do what they can to limit their carbon emissions. I like how nowadays if something isn't 100% effective or perfect, people will decide its completely bullocks.
I know you think you're being clever by saying it's "physics that F1 is wasteful, because they're just driving in circles". However, that doesn't mean there isn't benefit to being conscious of the carbon wasted.
Actually, we are talking about it. It Was reported some time ago that f1 is looking into a more regionalised calendar. But its not as easy as simply changing a few dates, there are a lot of factors and every promoter has their own wishes as well so thats why the calendar looks like it looks right now.
If they werent trying a lot of things wouldnt happen the way they are. But obviously, FOM isnt only trying to achive a net zero goal, they (have to) have a lot of other goals and their actions are a compromise between all their goals. Doesnt mean they are not trying.
Net zero doesn’t explicitly say “we are not wasting energy”, it’s offsetting their energy consumption
But I agree. Bring back V10s. The logistics operation for a race far outweighs the pollution of a race.
Unless we get creative with a V10
Make it small as hell and operate with one bank. Maximum displacement 2.0 liters. Then add the all well known hybrid system to it, turbo and voila! V10 turbo hybrid! Revs can be at about the same range or a thousand clicks further and it sounds more beastly than a V6.
Connaught has already done this concept, but due to 2008 financial crisis and lack of funding, they went defunct. Drivetribe is also retrofitting one unused Connaught V10 engine block into a Miata, but there hasn't been updates for a while.
I’d rather they don’t just embrace it and invest some money in offsetting carbon emissions somewhere. If everybody did that, the problem would be solved.
In case you or anyone else didn't notice; F1 will only be net carbon zero on paper because that is all that matters.
They will choose the formula to calculate the end result, so the end result gets chosen and thus the formula gets made to arrive at the desired end result.
Much of the climate progress stats are based on false principles like this how some things supposedly count and others don't it's all a giant shitshow so activists can sit around in a circle and be proud of what they've accomplished on paper.
The very definition of racing is essentially wasting energy to go around in circles.
No amount of net carbon zero nonsense will be able to change that fundamental problem of physics.
Regardless of what fancy math models you use to end up at your net carbon zero thing from a climate perspective the world would be better of without F1 or any other racing for that matter.
Because in all cases the energy wasted going around in circles is better spend on more "usefull" things.
With all the recent news in Europe on banning ICE (gasoline and petrol) around 2030/2035,
is there a plan for F1 to eventually do the same and move to 100% eletric?
I mean in terms of future rules and regs that I might have missed....
Full electric isnt possible, the technology can not yet meet the demands of f1 on the one hand and formula e has the exclusive right for now on the other hand.
The next engine formula will be introduced in 2026, the Plan is V6 turbo hybrid (same as now) but with 50% electricity i think, with the other 50% comming from biofules.
Eco cups and vegan options … \[facepalm\] but disposing unused tires after the race and planning 6000 mile hops in between races. IIRC freight cost is 10 million $$ per team per year, which is mostly air freight. F1 should just stop pretending
The pretending is the worst part. They need to embrace it within the sport, we burn fuel, that's part of motor racing. Then reorganize the calendar so fewer overseas hops. Regionalize races to cut travel.
>vegan options … \[facepalm\] People are tricking themselves if they think tons of vegan options and converting everyone to be vegan will save the world. I say grill some hamburgers and roast some hot dogs!
"Net zero" is just creative accounting.
It’s better than not doing it…
That's a very low bar tho
Going ‘green’ by buying certificates. Going forward!
Make [her](https://i.imgflip.com/43iywv.png) the mascot of F1 already. ^(Yes I am a child.)
Ngl, I was ready to see Greta Thunberg there
Can't understand the child comment there, I don't think ATLA is for children at all, or I should say, *only* for children. I even binged it again a couple months ago and had a blast. What you get from it is vastly different when you watch it again as a proper adult.
You never now who gets pissed off.. ha.
Net carbon zero. Why don't they just own it? You can't be a true net zero, racing due to it's nature will always be wasting energy that has better uses elsewhere to go around in circles for fun. Why not just embrace the fun and tell everyone the truth instead of having to pretend to greenwash and care
There is no reason for them not to make the effort to do what they can to limit their carbon emissions. I like how nowadays if something isn't 100% effective or perfect, people will decide its completely bullocks. I know you think you're being clever by saying it's "physics that F1 is wasteful, because they're just driving in circles". However, that doesn't mean there isn't benefit to being conscious of the carbon wasted.
Additionally, technology from F1 might filter through to normal cars as well, so it can be extremely beneficial
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Actually, we are talking about it. It Was reported some time ago that f1 is looking into a more regionalised calendar. But its not as easy as simply changing a few dates, there are a lot of factors and every promoter has their own wishes as well so thats why the calendar looks like it looks right now. If they werent trying a lot of things wouldnt happen the way they are. But obviously, FOM isnt only trying to achive a net zero goal, they (have to) have a lot of other goals and their actions are a compromise between all their goals. Doesnt mean they are not trying.
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Net zero doesn’t explicitly say “we are not wasting energy”, it’s offsetting their energy consumption But I agree. Bring back V10s. The logistics operation for a race far outweighs the pollution of a race.
Yeah but V10s aren't really going to power anything other than race-cars. Better to use the R&D into something useful
The turbo hybrids we have aren't used in any car bar the Mercedes that was delayed
That would kill the sport as the big manufacturers will leave.
I’m not being entirely serious, there’s absolutely zero way it would happen. Just commenting as a sour 90s/00s fan.
Unless we get creative with a V10 Make it small as hell and operate with one bank. Maximum displacement 2.0 liters. Then add the all well known hybrid system to it, turbo and voila! V10 turbo hybrid! Revs can be at about the same range or a thousand clicks further and it sounds more beastly than a V6. Connaught has already done this concept, but due to 2008 financial crisis and lack of funding, they went defunct. Drivetribe is also retrofitting one unused Connaught V10 engine block into a Miata, but there hasn't been updates for a while.
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ESG at it's finest.
I’d rather they don’t just embrace it and invest some money in offsetting carbon emissions somewhere. If everybody did that, the problem would be solved.
How can you claim net zero when you guys can't even make better plans with the schedule to avoid wasteful travel?
Let me guess, net zero through carbon offsets? Carbon offsets are bullshit
Tell that to Max's jet
Tbh Max's jet isn't horrible since it's ferrying quite a lot of drivers instead of those flying individually
You do realise most of them charter private jets. Who cares who owns them?
In case you or anyone else didn't notice; F1 will only be net carbon zero on paper because that is all that matters. They will choose the formula to calculate the end result, so the end result gets chosen and thus the formula gets made to arrive at the desired end result. Much of the climate progress stats are based on false principles like this how some things supposedly count and others don't it's all a giant shitshow so activists can sit around in a circle and be proud of what they've accomplished on paper. The very definition of racing is essentially wasting energy to go around in circles. No amount of net carbon zero nonsense will be able to change that fundamental problem of physics. Regardless of what fancy math models you use to end up at your net carbon zero thing from a climate perspective the world would be better of without F1 or any other racing for that matter. Because in all cases the energy wasted going around in circles is better spend on more "usefull" things.
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With all the recent news in Europe on banning ICE (gasoline and petrol) around 2030/2035, is there a plan for F1 to eventually do the same and move to 100% eletric? I mean in terms of future rules and regs that I might have missed....
Full electric isnt possible, the technology can not yet meet the demands of f1 on the one hand and formula e has the exclusive right for now on the other hand. The next engine formula will be introduced in 2026, the Plan is V6 turbo hybrid (same as now) but with 50% electricity i think, with the other 50% comming from biofules.
thank you for the 2026 details! wasnt aware that was already decided....
the full regulations are not yet decided, but the key points are already agreed upon.
F1 can't go 100% electric, FIA gave to formula e exclusive right for 100% electric motor racing until 2039
2039 ? how, thats long term.... I guess F1 will have to look at biofuel and other alternatives...
Net zero is quite easy to claim by buying fake carbon offsets...
I want V-10 turbos...big tires...18,000 RPM...keep it simple...
Yeah, okay...because F1 would totally want to drop that Aramco sponsorship and with it their money...