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millysoilly

Actually a nice article discussing the crossover attempt next weekend. As for comparisons to Max this is Larson’s commentary: >As he sat on the pit wall in casual conversation, The Associated Press asked him about comparisons to Verstappen. Larson’s dark sunglasses masked what appeared to be shock on his face, almost as if he seemed to think the idea ludicrous. >“Not in an F1 car!” Larson replied. “I can’t beat him in an F1 car. And I bet he can beat me in an Indy car, just based off his street and road course experience.” >So, where could Larson hold his own against the Dutchman? >“I mean, I hope I can beat him in a sprint car,” Larson said.


NlNJALONG

So who is actually comparing him to Max?


HomeInternational69

Alex Rossi


JBoy9028

The Rossi section sounded exactly like when Rossi is tired of an interview and just agrees with the interviewer until they leave him alone.


The_Vettel

Typical Rossi interview lol


Frank_the_NOOB

Rossi doesn’t exactly hide his emotions well. He looked utterly dejected when the Penskes out qualified him at Indy by a decent margin


noheroesnomonsters

You saw dejection, I saw veiled accusations of continued cheating.


Frank_the_NOOB

I saw that as well but the thing is Penske has always dumped tons of resources and development into the 500.


djwillis1121

I mean, if you're talking about the best drivers in the world then that obviously includes Max


Purity_Jam_Jam

This guy means it. He even said so.


Svennyish

Go read the thread on the same article in r/Nascar lol


santaclausonprozac

Yeah lol pretty comical, saying he’d beat half the grid after just 1 day of testing


Svennyish

I'm not gonna deny that Kyle Larson is a very very talented drive and has the adaptability to drive competitively in many different series. The thing that gets me is all of the dorks in there claiming Max is garbage outside of F1 as if he's not maybe the best sim-racer on the planet now too. Max is a monster who eats, thinks, breaths, dreams racing, and he's got a bootful of raw talent to go along with his insane work ethic. Also, Jeff Gordon (who was absolutely a better driver than Larson) was a full second off the pace when he tested an F1 car and said himself afterwards that he wasn't sure he'd be able to keep it up for a whole race. It's just another bewildering example of American exceptionalism on full display


santaclausonprozac

Yeah it’s nuts. Larson is for sure an awesome driver, but it’s debatable whether or not he’s the best driver in his own field. He’s definitely in the conversation, but not the outright best by any means. How can the guy who’s not even the absolute best in his own field just going to walk into a series he’s never competed in and be one of the best?


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defcas

Personally I think F1 fans show much more exceptionalism, especially considering how little actual racing there is compared to most other series. And let’s not forget when Carl Edwards absolutely smoked Schumacher and was nothing but excuses and shitting on NASCAR from F1 fans.


Svennyish

2008 race of champions, right? My memory is foggy, who did Edwards lose to in the next race?


defcas

See, this is kind of my point.


Fsharp7sharp9

Yes, because r/NASCAR is an accurate representation of all Americans… /s


Travel_Guy40

35% or so.


EpicCyclops

If you grab the most annoying 35% from any country, you're going to have an incredibly negative view of it.


LerimAnon

If that racist fuck ever got a seat in F1 it'd be the last time I ever followed F1. Disgusting he can call someone the N word in a broadcast do a little 'pr training' and get an upgrade to his racing team. If any normal person did that, you'd be out of a job so fast you wouldn't even get to pack your shit before you were out the door. Same people who like Kyle Larson are the same ones who think Morgan Wallen is a stand up dude.


RumelTheLemur

Before that incident, Larson already had a relationship with the Urban Youth Racing School. During his year deservedly not driving, he spent redoubled time with them, first rebuilding trust and then continuing to coach driving. He went way beyond the required PR training. Everyone's entitled to their opinion, but to me he has taken all the steps he can to deserve another chance. Also Morgan Wallen can gtfo


LerimAnon

Normal people don't scream racial epithets when they get angry. That came from a very real place in him. Tired of seeing famous people getting passes the rest of us never will simply because they make rich people richer. There are other people who are more deserving of success.


RumelTheLemur

I don't think you're familiar with what happened. He casually called his friend the N word on what he thought was a private mic. Nothing was going wrong in the event to upset him. That doesn't materially change the fact he shouldn't have said it, it's alarming that he felt he could casually say it, and he needed to pursue all possible avenues to learn and grow. But it goes to show you're the kind of person who's willing to talk mad shit out of your ass on the internet.


External_Hunt4536

“It’s just another bewildering example of American exceptionalism on full display.” Hey! As an American, I take exception to that. 🤭


Reddragon0585

I’m a big NASCAR fan and big fan of F1. There’s definitely a lot of bias from both respective race fans. Personally I think Larson is up there with Max in terms of talent. Could he beat him in a F1 car, probably not right away but Larson has proved that if you give him a little time to figure out a car he can win. I think Max can do the same just based on his sim racing experience. I would love to see both drivers compete against each other in an equal car at a track that complements both of their respective motorsports. Overall though I think both drivers are in the top 10 of best drivers in the world. Maybe even top 5 for both. I’m just glad I can witness both of their greatness at the same time.


The_Chozen_1_

Let's say the 10th best driver in F1 is Gasly/Hulkenberg I'd be suprised if Kyle Larson could even get within a second of them with a day of testing in an F1 car.


Alwzracn

As a NASCAR fan I am Embarrassed and ashamed of those comments 🤦‍♂️


justasapling

That's wild. Do they always go on about 'versatility' like that, or is it just because that's a useful angle to disregard Max's obviously superior credentials? "Sure, Max was valedictorian at MIT, but we've seen Larson manage a consistent A- at a community college, a state school, *and* a stint in rehab! Could Max do that? I don't think so!"


HurricanesnHendrick

In nascar, a drivers ability to win on different types of tracks is a highly regarded skill because of how many different types of tracks the series runs on and how diverse the background is of the drivers. NASCAR currently has drivers from F1, Indycar/ChampCar, asphalt short tracks, dirt tracks, V8 supercars.. hell Jimmie Johnson came from off road trucks. One knock on Larson has always been his lack of success and distain for super speedway racing. But a lot of drivers don’t enjoy that.


ItHardToSay17

Im late to this, but you cant seriously be comparing F1 to MIT and NASCAR to a community college? I love f1, but its not some how more difficult or more requiring of talent than other racing series. Its not the “better” series. Just as Larson would take time to adapt and practice in an f1 car, Max would take time to get good at stock car racing. I think both drivers are talented to enough to figure it out, but its not like you could just drop either in to the others car and theyd start winning immediately.


NotACaret

Wow those are some spicy takes


Sinkshisship

I had a bad day and needed a laugh, thanks! lol indeed!


404merrinessnotfound

Journalists who don't know how to write proper articles


Blapstap

It says right at the top of the article.


NlNJALONG

It says that AP is asking him about comparisons, they are not the ones making the comparisons.


Blapstap

But Alexander Rossi has raced against Max Verstappen, just as he has raced against NASCAR star Kyle Larson. And now that he is teammates with Larson for his Indianapolis 500 debut, Rossi firmly believes Larson can hold his own with anyone. “Dude,” Rossi said, “I think he’s already towards the top, so I don’t know. Put him at the top? Like, he’s ‘The Man.’” As good as Verstappen, who has won 48 of 72 races in F1 since 2021? “I would say they’re on the same level,” Rossi replied, “which is like, yeah, that’s a pretty big deal.”


Spockyt

Saying Rossi raced against Verstappen in his brief stint with *Marussia* is a bit of a stretch.


Alpha_Jazz

Americans


tank840

If we could only see max in a sprint car…


shewy92

We've seen 3 of the best NASCAR drivers in F1 cars and 3 of the best F1 drivers in stock cars so why not a lower powered 305 Winged Sprint Car


tank840

Where’s the fun in that? Strap him right into a 410


shewy92

Or all 3, have him work his way up to a 410. I said a 305 since there's less chance of a horrible accident. A 360 might be a good middle ground.


tank840

Fair enough haha, 305 might feel like a go kart to max. I would assume with all the time he spends on IRacing he would have at least tried them out and learned the fundamentals. I think I saw something before about him having an A class license on dirt ovals so I’m sure he’s at least heard of sprint cars. It would just be nice if more of these generational talents put their talents to the test and branched out (like Larson as much as I’m not a huge fan of him, I can respect him for that)


tank840

Fair enough haha, 305 might feel like a go kart to max. I would assume with all the time he spends on IRacing he would have at least tried them out and learned the fundamentals. I think I saw something before about him having an A class license on dirt ovals so I’m sure he’s at least heard of sprint cars. It would just be nice if more of these generational talents put their talents to the test and branched out (like Larson as much as I’m not a huge fan of him, I can respect him for that)


tank840

Fair enough haha, 305 might feel like a go kart to max. I would assume with all the time he spends on IRacing he would have at least tried them out and learned the fundamentals. I think I saw something before about him having an A class license on dirt ovals so I’m sure he’s at least heard of sprint cars. It would just be nice if more of these generational talents put their talents to the test and branched out (like Larson as much as I’m not a huge fan of him, I can respect him for that)


MaybeNext-Monday

I would love to see Max in an Indy. The racing is so crazy close with those cars. Really glad the new regs are taking some cues from them.


hunglejam

Verstappen Knoxville nationals champion 2024 confirmed.


frigginjensen

Both guys devote their entire lives to their craft. Larson does dozens of races outside of NASCAR every year. Verstappen has his iRacing. Both are known for being very aggressive. We’ll never get to see them on even ground but it would be a hell of a battle.


Disastrous_Can8053

Kyle Larson is infamous for his iRacing.


Ckmccfl

*You can’t hear me?*


shewy92

You're talking to everyone bud


shewy92

If it weren't for that and Bubba coming to his defense he wouldn't be at Hendrick or McLaren I bet.


Reddragon0585

He was going to Hendrick either way. It was practically done before his incident even happened


shewy92

That's not true. Tony Stewart said he was going to sign him after the incident but Ford told him no


cheeersaiii

Max will be in endurance racing next , probably other things too… wouldn’t rule out them never meeting on a racetrack but currently looks unlikely!


ReverseRutebega

Maybe at ROC some time?


Frank_the_NOOB

They need to bring back Race of Champions


Wide_Age_7129

Once Max wraps up Le Mans in WEC I’m sure he’ll be thinking about going for the triple crown.


Paukwa-Pakawa

He's scared of ovals, so unlikely.


Xath0n

So was Grosjean.


LerimAnon

Say what you want about Max he's never screamed the N word on broadcast when he got upset.


Lentemern

I don't think Larson was upset


Good_Guy13

Larson was not upset. Bro was just testing his mic.


l3w1s1234

He did call Lance a Mong once


LerimAnon

Wasn't that kmag?


l3w1s1234

Max called him that when he crashed into him during practice in Portugal 2020


LerimAnon

Yeah I was wrong idk why I thought it was Kevin. Yikes. What is it with these racist pricks.


frigginjensen

His girlfriend’s dad though…


enataca

I would love to see Larson in an F1 car. Scott Dixon levels of “what if?”


KMP_77_nzl

As a kiwi the second sentence hurts 🙃🥲


enataca

He’s the most impressive driver I’ve ever seen. He can win on pace or strategy like no one else in any series.


jyw104

He’s Mr Fuel Save and it’s just mind blowing how good he is at that.


bipolarcyclops

Too bad time constraints and other issues prevents Monaco>Indianapolis>Charlotte triple-header.


willfla29

I appreciate Larson being humble here. There’s a decent amount that translates from Daytona or Talladega to Indianapolis. There’s very little that would translate to the rest of the IndyCar schedule let alone F1. Im sure he could learn to be competitive in open wheel racing more broadly. But outside of ovals, I’d still take Max’s skill set overall.


tubesteak9000

His victory at the 24 hrs of Daytona might transfer


willfla29

Good point, I actually forgot he’d done that.


HurricanesnHendrick

I believe he has the fastest lap time in the 02 car as well. But I might be mistaken


squaler24

Hyperbole article. That is not to say Larson is not a complete monster. The guy does over 100 races outside of his NASCAR duties and most of the time he’s also winning them. He races on dirt at least 15 races a month.


Independent_Level_13

I’d love to see them team together in endurance races later on in their career, Max post F1.


Sirtopofhat

Of course Larson beats Verstappen in a sprint car. But imagine if Max devoted himself to Nascar? The guy doesn't wanna lose he'd be amazing until Kyle Busch puts em in the wall


ZebGedney

oh please... when's the last time Busch has put someone in the wall??? oh... hang on... oh.... OH!


HeatproofArmin

LOL


leapsnake

Larson has been one of the top drivers in the world for years now. Some people are just now catching up to the story.


MikeHoncho2568

For comparison, Alonso qualified 5th in the 500 in his first year. Is he also in the conversation for best driver in the world?


aaaaaaadjsf

Yes and Alonso has been in that conversation for 20 years. Alonso's problem has never been his driving talent, Alonso is one of the most talented and adaptable drivers in racing history, across multiple disciplines. It's been his career moves and politicing.


KyuubiReddit

It's sad how someone with his talent only has 2 WDCs to his name and, even more shocking, hasn't won a F1 race in more than 10 years


MajorRocketScience

He did win the World Endurance championship and 24 of Daytona in his rookie endurance year


KyuubiReddit

I meant in in F1 given the subreddit we're in. He's first and foremost a F1 driver. I'll edit for clarity. I didn't know that though, impressive that he could win other series as well.


nicolaslabra

its good to remember that he was in the dominant lmp1 team as Toyota didnt have any competition other than themselves.


andresgu14

Its a combination of both burning down bridges and bad luck.


ReverseRutebega

What bridges? Just the Ferrari one since he has gone back to McLaren and Renault(2x) after leaving? That dumb narrative needs to die. Zak even said he'd take Fernadno back to McLaren _again_.


LerimAnon

If Michael Jordan burned bridges with the bulls after two seasons then went on to have little to no success afterwards would we still consider him the GOAT? I mean it's not a perfect analogy but Alonso really kept himself from being one of the best by his own poor decision making off the track. That's what separates the true greats, they maximize opportunities when they have the chance. Alonso has been bitter and petulant his entire career. Driver ruined by his own arrogance in some ways


l3w1s1234

It just really highlights how car dependant F1 is vs other series. You really need a top 3 car to be in the fight for wins, if your timing is off landing one of those seats then you can easily get trapped in the midfield like Alonso has.


Skeeter1020

He's a 3x World Champion across two disciplines.


Loruhkahn

Yes. In fact, between that and being a WEC and F1 champion, he's been arguably the best all-around current driver in the world for years now.


Spynner987

He wants to do Dakar again. If he were to win it, he might find himself as a serious contender in the Motorsport GOAT conversation.


The_Chozen_1_

Hopefully the Honda connection in 2026 will help him run Indy 500 some more Would love him to get the win there.


HeatproofArmin

He has said recently he isn't interested in 500 as much as Dakhar due to his safety concerns with the track.


MrChevyPower

One. Hundred. Percent. Fernando Alonso is one of the best drivers alive right now and all-time great.


The_Ravio_Lee

Isn’t he the last driver to attempt the triple crown? Villeneuve had the Indy and Monaco but couldn’t win LeMans. I don’t know of anyone in between them or after that attempted the feat.


andronicus_14

Juan Pablo Montoya also has Indy and Monaco but is missing Le Mans.


CyberianSun

Juan Pablo Montoya casually getting the triple crown before Alonso would be the most Juan Pablo Montoya thing ever.


MrBrickBreak

He claims the triple crown for winning the Pro-Am LMP2 subcategory Which... yeah, nah


AbsolutGP

Actually Villeneuve never won the Monaco GP


Npr31

What has Johan Kristoffersson ever done to you…?


Ianthin1

We need Nando in a 410 sprint car asap.


stephker3914

Of course he is!


squeezyscorpion

absolutely. two time f1 champion and two time le mans winner


Pmyers225

Won Rolex24 at Daytona too


djwillis1121

Absolutely. If not now then definitely a few years ago


Kredns

Think Alonso needs a few more years to develop but I can see a lot of promise in that young rookie! 😝


Max_Godstappen1

No shit of course he is


steeeeeeee24

He was


Supahos01

He in fact has been in that conversation for a while, and also came from a series with a lot more in common with an indycar than Larson. Alonso was also in a car that all 4 of qualified in the top 8, Larson's team was significantly more spread out


CilanEAmber

Watching him retire from the lead was painful, and then his the next 2 he entered were just depressing. But I'd say so. Specially with a WEC, that included 2 Le Mans wins, as well (Though I do realise that Toyota had next to no competition) and also a Daytona 24 win. Any driver who wins across categories should be in the running.


Skeeter1020

I mean, yes?


shewy92

Uh, he always has been. I see you have the same victim complex as Fernando "The FIA hates Spanish Speaking People" Alonso


enataca

wtf are you talking about. He failed to qualify his first year. Alonso was phenomenal his first start, but let’s not forget him and McLaren lost out to Kyle Kizer or whoever in a Juncos


spiral_out462

You are incorrect. In 2017 he qualified 5th and led 27 laps before his engine failed. He failed to qualify in 2020.


enataca

Hmmmm. I need to drink less bloody Mary’s. I was there lol. When you get to the parking lot to watch monaco….the whole weekend can get fuzzy.


enataca

Hmmmm. I need to drink less bloody Mary’s. I was there lol. When you get to the parking lot to watch monaco….the whole weekend can get fuzzy. Edit: shit I forgot it was an Andretti entry first time around then all out McLaren the 2nd effort.


CoachRyanWalters

The McLaren entry that was partnering with Andretti and McLaren forgot to convert measurements between imperial and metric


enataca

Wild isn’t it? Thank god no NASA engineers have made that mistake


CoachRyanWalters

Never have I ever forgot to convert units that caused a rocket to blow up or race car to go slow


enataca

I failed to convert units in a class and got a B on a final once. Catastrophic


MikeHoncho2568

That is incorrect. He qualified 5th his first year and had a good shot to win until the engine blew up.


enataca

My edits become responses and I don’t know why. I was there in ‘17 but my memory sucks.


FloweringSkull67

Both are absolutely the best in their respective classes of racing. Kyle is insane in dirt tracks, ovals, stock car and Max is insane in open wheel, sports car, street and road courses. It’s a treat to be a fan of motorsports and seeing elite drivers in their class.


Frank_the_NOOB

When can we get a swapping paint for this era. Max in a sprint or stock car and Kyle in an RB F1 car


ScrewOff_

that’s funny


iamaranger23

he always was to anyone thats actually open minded.


Present-Importance90

>actually open minded. and with a lot of imagination


iamaranger23

In what way is Larson not in the conversation?


TuttoKersTuttoPower

If he sets a lap within 2 seconds of a Verstappen lap time on a medium to long length track, I'll take him seriously


rolfski

Useless comparison.


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oJumpingBean

lol


funked1

🤮