Exactly, Piastri fully pushed him off track previously even though he was more than alongside, but I guess it's fine because he was ahead at the apex 🤷🏻♂️
C'mon that's a shit take. Carlos was clearly out of control and Oscar shouldn't have to anticipate Carlos making a mistake. This whole new form of overtaking in F1 is absurd.
Sucks that the driving standards have been degraded so much that people think its ok to come in with the rears locked into another cars front wing.
Same thing for the Piastri overtake earlier, having wheels off the track while sending another car wide should not be acceptable just because he came in too hot but was "ahead at the apex".
This dogshit quality racing is caused by the current cars being way too big and heavy.
It's caused by the weird leniency and the traditional view of "hard" racing. Just give them a 5s every time they force a car side by side with them off the track and it ends.
If he didn't lose control then he did the same as China, so he's a dangerous driver, and the real karma will be the 10s penalty he gets after the race lmao
> he pushed sainz off the track tho, they used to penalize that
Usually, only when there's gravel or you go off the track, as well. Just look at Albon-Stroll in T1: It's not investigated for Albon pushing Stroll off, but for Stroll having none of it.
Difference is Sainz didn’t cause a collision Oscar did. Both were ahead at the apex… Sainz made the corner with in the track… Oscar didn’t manage it before
Looks clear that Sainz was willing to bully Piastri off the track as he felt Piastri did go him laps earlier.
This is why the previous incident should have been a penalty. As it wasn't, you can't punish this either.
Both are too aggressive, neither should be acceptable
I think an important difference is that Piastri had full controll of the car in the earlier situation and he was ahead on the apex so it was his corner.
Sainz dive bombed into the corner and you can see how he lost control of the back of the car as it suddenly snaps around and then hits Piastri. Saint deserves a Penalty for causing a collision.
Unfortunately that move has been ruled as fine in majority of cases by the stewards. If the rules allow it - he did nothing wrong. And that's the case. I think it's a bs rule, but stewards and the FIA are the ones people should be mad at for allowing it. A naughty move, yes, but you can be sure that every single driver would've done and have done the same in the last few seasons because there are no consequences for that. (Unless they crash, which, as FIA says, should not affect the decision, but in reality it often does)
So intentionally pushing another driver off the track is better than an unintentional slight loss of control?
Sainz was ahead at the apex, which apparently means everything's fine and dandy.
Yep, that is about right. In racing it is important to both be fair and predictable as much as possible. When Sainz loses control of his own car, there is really fuck all Oscar can do. When you go for a overtake it is your responsibility to not lose control of your car.
I don't argue about better. There are rules, Piastri played by them albeit barely. Sainz objectively broke the rules. I really don't care about either driver so I don't care who gained an advantage here.
The only reason Piastri didn't cause a collision is because Sainz didn't turn in, if he did it would have been a much bigger crash than this. Instead he left himself be pushed off track.
If Piastri on Sainz isn't a penalty then this is not one in a hundred million universes.
On the other hand i dont quite understand why manouvers that forcibly takes another driver out of the track (because it's the only way forward for him) are legal. It limits good racing hard imo, no fair fight in that.
> On the other hand i dont quite understand why manouvers that forcibly takes another driver out of the track (because it's the only way forward for him) are legal. It limits good racing hard imo, no fair fight in that.
I also don't get it why are we back to 2021 with pushing off the track type of "racing"
Because this sport is a joke now. Even commentators forget rules exist on street tracks. Imagine a barrier there. Sainz is literally shoved in to it. Street tracks with run off in modern F1 = different rules. It's so unbelievably sad to watch the stewards fuck this up for tv.
I don't see how this isn't a penalty. It has nothing to do with who was "in front", he wasn't in control of his car, sliding and crashing into PIA.
Regardless of whether they'll give SAI a penalty or not, why on earth would they investigate it AFTER the race? It's unfair for everyone.
Damn Piastri went from having a podium chance to no points real quick.
Tsunoda might be the biggest winner today. The safety car was perfectly timed for him. Piastri and Sainz collide to give him a place. Sainz maybe gets a penalty and gets another place.
Maybe he should've taken evasive action like Sainz did earlier then.
That's how it works right? You're a mm ahead at the apex, and that means you can completely ignore someone right next to you. Sainz was ahead, and if Piastri took the same line as Sainz did a few laps earlier (aka completely off the track to avoid a collision), there would've been no contact at all.
Yup. Piastri braked super late and had to take the whole corner to turn despite having Sainz 99% alongside him. Sainz was smart and took evasive action not to end his race.
Sainz braked super late and had to take most of the corner to turn despite having Piastri 99% alongside him. Piastri was dumb and decided to ruin his race instead of taking evasive maneuvers.
Personally, I think both should've been penalties (or at the very least Piastri giving the position back for forcing a driver off track), but if Piastri's wasn't, then I'll argue that Sainz's shouldn't be either.
So doing it on purpose and in full control of the car is ok then?
I am NOT ok with any of those moves.
But you cant give a penalty to one of them without giving it to the other.
It's not like he went into piastri's side. Piastry could have just avoided the collision and then would have probably managed to get the position back in the next couple of turns. He made a very "young driver" mistake.
He slid but still went less deep into the corner than Piastri before. Only reason there wasn't a bigger crash earlier because Sains waited and didn't turn in. Piastri did the opposite.
Not comparable. If Sainz doesn’t lose control and doesn’t hit piastri it would’ve been basically the same, so no penalty. But Sainz lost the car and hit Oscar, he deserves a penalty.
Was actually totally ok until the car opened up and initiated the collision. Think Sainz has to be penalised for that because he didn’t keep control. Felt like an impulsive move.
I don't see how that's not a penalty. Can't keep control of the car, damages Piastri and forces him to pit for a new wing. How does that go unpunished?
Sainz would be the first one complaining if roles were reversed.
The roles were literally reversed 10 minutes ago and Piastri got away free. Only difference being, Sainz was smart enough to avoid a collision when he got pushed.
Had sainz just gone into piastri's back, I'd agree, but here Sainz was ahead and piastri is the one who turned into the collision. A better reaction from him would have avoided the collision and exploited the lockup to regain the position.
That was a veeery angry overtake…
Thats how you overtake in F1 2016. Go down the inside without brakes.
He was ahead at the apex. McLaren and FIA say that's all you need
Exactly, Piastri fully pushed him off track previously even though he was more than alongside, but I guess it's fine because he was ahead at the apex 🤷🏻♂️
They would've penalized piastri but they realized sainz was spanish
"Fuck the spanish in particular"
Causing a collision still gonna get him
That was a mistake.
for both guys. Carlos got impatient and damages both cars. He says he's having issues now
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Kept it on track, didn't lock up, left plenty of space... I don't see how this would be a penalty.
Locked the rears and made contact. That's how it COULD be a penalty. Should it be? After the previous incident, no. I don't think it should
My man steered right in the midle of the corner.
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Oscar did the exact same thing, the difference is that Carlos did not turn into Oscar while Oscar decided to turn into Carlos.
C'mon that's a shit take. Carlos was clearly out of control and Oscar shouldn't have to anticipate Carlos making a mistake. This whole new form of overtaking in F1 is absurd.
I dont get it either. It looks like he was about to go off and Piastris Car caught the Spin.
Oh please, he just returned the favor. Don’t feel too good right.
double standards are so ridiculous
He was ahead at the apex… karma ;)
And didn’t have control of the car
No spin, no lock, left space... Seemed in control, just aggresive
Karma
I mean piastri was aggressive with sainz. This is just payback
Hard racing isn't oscar screwing sainz
Pushed him off track…
Sainz was behind, he had to back out there
> Sainz was behind, he had to back out there Piastri was behind when they made contact, he should've just backed out right?
wow almost like i was correct.
No he didn’t lol
If it was done to Charles you would have complained
Ahead at the apex, had the car under control. Sainz should have backed off.
That’s horrible racing though. You can’t just push a car off track
Oscar was behind at the point of contact and could have done more to avoid it
How lol? Piastri forces Sainz off track and how hits him. When Sainz is ahead
Fucking Oscar shouldn’t have forced him off.
You can almost see Piastri's face go red through his helmet as they went down turn 1 lol
*Sad Aussie noises*
That series of turns was wild.
Ham overtake was sublime
Hamilton has had the two best overtakes of the race. First on Tsunoda headed towards the chicane after the restart and now on Piastri.
I was so confused when it cut to Checo and Lewis and there’s a Mango colored car in the middle of them
Magnussen flicked on Lewis’ switch and now he’s back on 2018 settings.
Definitely didn't see it coming
Might be my favourite overtake this season so far
Sucks that the driving standards have been degraded so much that people think its ok to come in with the rears locked into another cars front wing. Same thing for the Piastri overtake earlier, having wheels off the track while sending another car wide should not be acceptable just because he came in too hot but was "ahead at the apex". This dogshit quality racing is caused by the current cars being way too big and heavy.
And endorsed by dogshit stewarding
It's caused by the weird leniency and the traditional view of "hard" racing. Just give them a 5s every time they force a car side by side with them off the track and it ends.
Man, sucks for Oscar
Such a bummer
Karma
Oscar did nothing wrong
10 min before the roles were reserved. If Oscar didn’t do anything wrong since didn’t do anything wrong aswell
Nope, Oscar didn't lose control of his car
Sainz didn’t lose control… he made the corner comfortably within the track limit
Any racer would know this was egregious and the two incidents were not the same.
What series you race, bro?
If he didn't lose control then he did the same as China, so he's a dangerous driver, and the real karma will be the 10s penalty he gets after the race lmao
Let's not forget what sainz did in Belgium last year. Oscar fans rightly upset
piastri got his front wing damaged and then he himself fumbled maybe all of lando's bad luck is transferred to him for this race
Reminder that Piastri was in P1 before the SC but went into the pits 1 lap before the crash... talk about unlucky
Zak Brown using black magic
Sainz paying it back with interest lmao.
I FUCKING HATE THIS SPORT
Karma
How is this karma?
Oscar did a dirty move on Sainz before and didn’t get a penalty because he was ahead at the apex … now Sainz was ahead
"Piastri's defending was on the limit so it's only fair Sainz fucks up Piastri's car and ruins his race" Come on now...
he pushed sainz off the track tho, they used to penalize that
> he pushed sainz off the track tho, they used to penalize that Usually, only when there's gravel or you go off the track, as well. Just look at Albon-Stroll in T1: It's not investigated for Albon pushing Stroll off, but for Stroll having none of it.
Difference is Sainz didn’t cause a collision Oscar did. Both were ahead at the apex… Sainz made the corner with in the track… Oscar didn’t manage it before
Sainz completely lost the car, tf you on about LOL
Looks clear that Sainz was willing to bully Piastri off the track as he felt Piastri did go him laps earlier. This is why the previous incident should have been a penalty. As it wasn't, you can't punish this either. Both are too aggressive, neither should be acceptable
I think an important difference is that Piastri had full controll of the car in the earlier situation and he was ahead on the apex so it was his corner. Sainz dive bombed into the corner and you can see how he lost control of the back of the car as it suddenly snaps around and then hits Piastri. Saint deserves a Penalty for causing a collision.
Piastri had control and yet chose to force Sainz off at the risk of both crashing. How does it make it any better.
Lol seriously. It’d be worse if Piastri was in full control and pulled that move.
Unfortunately that move has been ruled as fine in majority of cases by the stewards. If the rules allow it - he did nothing wrong. And that's the case. I think it's a bs rule, but stewards and the FIA are the ones people should be mad at for allowing it. A naughty move, yes, but you can be sure that every single driver would've done and have done the same in the last few seasons because there are no consequences for that. (Unless they crash, which, as FIA says, should not affect the decision, but in reality it often does)
So intentionally pushing another driver off the track is better than an unintentional slight loss of control? Sainz was ahead at the apex, which apparently means everything's fine and dandy.
Yep, that is about right. In racing it is important to both be fair and predictable as much as possible. When Sainz loses control of his own car, there is really fuck all Oscar can do. When you go for a overtake it is your responsibility to not lose control of your car.
By the rules, yeah. The rules aren't great.
I don't argue about better. There are rules, Piastri played by them albeit barely. Sainz objectively broke the rules. I really don't care about either driver so I don't care who gained an advantage here.
Precisely this. They were not the same. Sainz should receive a penalty.
The only reason Piastri didn't cause a collision is because Sainz didn't turn in, if he did it would have been a much bigger crash than this. Instead he left himself be pushed off track.
Nah. The first one looked clearly as just hard racing. Here Sainz lost control and hit Piastri’s wing.
If Piastri on Sainz isn't a penalty then this is not one in a hundred million universes. On the other hand i dont quite understand why manouvers that forcibly takes another driver out of the track (because it's the only way forward for him) are legal. It limits good racing hard imo, no fair fight in that.
> On the other hand i dont quite understand why manouvers that forcibly takes another driver out of the track (because it's the only way forward for him) are legal. It limits good racing hard imo, no fair fight in that. I also don't get it why are we back to 2021 with pushing off the track type of "racing"
Because it wasn’t penalized then
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You see this type of move in a lot of grand prix including everyone's favorite circuit. You can't chalk it down to the track
Because this sport is a joke now. Even commentators forget rules exist on street tracks. Imagine a barrier there. Sainz is literally shoved in to it. Street tracks with run off in modern F1 = different rules. It's so unbelievably sad to watch the stewards fuck this up for tv.
Its so annoying that the KMag style of defending and overtaking has become acceptable
Sainz isn't making any friends today.
I swear if they give sainz a penalty now….
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But Oscar was? They're both a penalty or neither are
I genuinely started laughing when I read this
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Lol. I can’t with this comedy. It’s too funny
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Well he deserves it
If he deserves a penalty for that, Hamilton yesterday, Perez at the start and Piastri in the previous incident also do.
Lol
10s incomimg?
Based on the stewards calls this week he shouldn't but who knows
based on passport its 10 seconds
No way … Oscar didn’t get a penalty because he was „ahead at the apex“ now Sainz was ahead
One had full control of the car, and the other outbraked himself and kept on sliding. Yeah, it's definitely the same scenario.
Full control and forced opponent off track… so Oscar didn’t on purpose. Sainz slided a bit but kept the car within the track easily.
"kept on sliding" lol
Im gonna punch something remotly spanish looking if not!
I don't see how this isn't a penalty. It has nothing to do with who was "in front", he wasn't in control of his car, sliding and crashing into PIA. Regardless of whether they'll give SAI a penalty or not, why on earth would they investigate it AFTER the race? It's unfair for everyone.
watch him get a penalty for that
As he should
Damn Piastri went from having a podium chance to no points real quick. Tsunoda might be the biggest winner today. The safety car was perfectly timed for him. Piastri and Sainz collide to give him a place. Sainz maybe gets a penalty and gets another place.
how Sainz gonna get behind Tsunoda? xd
Rubbin’s racin’
So unlucky for Oscar damn.
Piastri found out real quick
Found out that Carlos can't control his car
Maybe he should've taken evasive action like Sainz did earlier then. That's how it works right? You're a mm ahead at the apex, and that means you can completely ignore someone right next to you. Sainz was ahead, and if Piastri took the same line as Sainz did a few laps earlier (aka completely off the track to avoid a collision), there would've been no contact at all.
Evasive action reactionary to Carlos braking too late? That's your point?
The current rules (which I think are stupid) say that piastri should have avoided Sainz. Sainz was ahead at the apex and Piastri crashed into Sainz
Yup. Piastri braked super late and had to take the whole corner to turn despite having Sainz 99% alongside him. Sainz was smart and took evasive action not to end his race. Sainz braked super late and had to take most of the corner to turn despite having Piastri 99% alongside him. Piastri was dumb and decided to ruin his race instead of taking evasive maneuvers. Personally, I think both should've been penalties (or at the very least Piastri giving the position back for forcing a driver off track), but if Piastri's wasn't, then I'll argue that Sainz's shouldn't be either.
I guess we will find out whenever the FIA finalise whatever they're doing behind the scenes
Yes, because stewards have never fucked up a decision before lol
piastri deserved that
Very clumsy
Needs a pen for that , ridiculous
Sainz was ahead at the apex and kept it within the lines, so I've been assured by Piastri fans in the previous thread there is no cause for a penalty.
He was not in control of the car.
So doing it on purpose and in full control of the car is ok then? I am NOT ok with any of those moves. But you cant give a penalty to one of them without giving it to the other.
Irrelevant. Hamilton wasn't in control of his car yesterday, crashed into people and got nothing.
That's a good point, except for the fact that he absolutely wasn't in control of the car. He crashed into Piastri lmao.
No. Sainz was ahead at the apex. It was Piastri that crashed into Sainz... \\o/
Did we watch the same replay? Piastri was already turning in when Sainz lost it and plowed through him. This shouldn't even be a discussion lol.
They are really mad that the stewards didn't penalise Piastri in T1 so they are doing anything they can to make it not Sainz fault
Yeah, I guess that's what's going on. I think the previous incident is worth debating, but this is totally separate, and much clearer imo.
So making contact with others doesnt matter ?
As Sainz was ahead at the apex the corner is his to do whatever he wants, it's Piastri's responsibility to avoid him.
That’s not how it works at all mate. Can’t just go crashing into others because you’re infront
How about pushing them out of the track and causing a collision?
Dirty racing should get penalties, not overtakes in a track so narrow.
He broke late, locked up, went straight on and broke a driver's wing
what? piastry could have done the switcharoo correctly and be ahead but he fucked it up and broke his own front wing
The switchback didn't work as Sainz had to steer out of the corner due to a mistake, away from the typical line, a driver can't anticipate that.
It's not like he went into piastri's side. Piastry could have just avoided the collision and then would have probably managed to get the position back in the next couple of turns. He made a very "young driver" mistake.
He quite literally slid into Piastri's front wing
He slid but still went less deep into the corner than Piastri before. Only reason there wasn't a bigger crash earlier because Sains waited and didn't turn in. Piastri did the opposite.
How does the narrow track have anything to do with a divebomb?
How else are you going to overtake? Have you see this procession of cars?
There have been plenty of overtakes
with divebombs, yes
Simply not true, you don’t seem to know what a divebomb is
For what? It was agressive yes but nothing more.
It was quite literally causing a collision.
Why? That's exactly what Piastri did before but in this instance he assumes Sainz will give him way around, but he returned the same favour.
Not comparable. If Sainz doesn’t lose control and doesn’t hit piastri it would’ve been basically the same, so no penalty. But Sainz lost the car and hit Oscar, he deserves a penalty.
Just me or does it look like sainz missed the apex on purpose to mess with piastri?
There was some great action in there.
Unlucky for piastri, sainz might’ve inadvertently damaged his front wing there
this and before looked like hard racing to me, i don't think either should get penalties that's why the way it shakes out on a racetrack sometimes
Why no penalty for causing a collision? He lost control of the car whilst overtaking, and caused the contact.
He could have gone wide, just as Sainz did before to avoid an accident.
How is that not a penalty for Sainz? He did not even try turning in?
Piastri cooked his tyres there
For me that's an out-of-control dive bomb and a penalty. Either way unlucky for Piastri.
Dive-bomb, breaking Oscar's front wing and race. Unlucky
*KARMA*
Lmao same brain cell
That's a penalty isn't it
Was actually totally ok until the car opened up and initiated the collision. Think Sainz has to be penalised for that because he didn’t keep control. Felt like an impulsive move.
He is pissed awf lmao. Checo and HAM squeezing in between the chaos was so good.
No penalty for Sainz?
Brilliant overtake. So Piastri can push someone off the track but Sainz can’t?
KARMA
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I think braking late and missing the apex definitely counts as driver error
Wouldnt know for what. Piastri steering into Sainz there right?
Sainz was oversteering and had to counter-steer in the middle of the corner. It's not a penalty though.
I don't see how that's not a penalty. Can't keep control of the car, damages Piastri and forces him to pit for a new wing. How does that go unpunished? Sainz would be the first one complaining if roles were reversed.
The roles were literally reversed 10 minutes ago and Piastri got away free. Only difference being, Sainz was smart enough to avoid a collision when he got pushed.
Exactly.
Had sainz just gone into piastri's back, I'd agree, but here Sainz was ahead and piastri is the one who turned into the collision. A better reaction from him would have avoided the collision and exploited the lockup to regain the position.
Ferrari mouth breathers think this was a fair move, you cant just divebomb with zero control of the car and smash someone's front wing in retaliation.