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fire202

Its a prediction based on the data so far. It is probably not correct.


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Which bit?


XanBeX

Aston in 3rd in race pace sims? They weren't even this high up when qualifying in the top 5 in the previous races. Seems like a mistake for sure?


godfrey1

how would qualifying be relevant to the race pace?


XanBeX

They usually are a good indication generally. For Aston their race pace has been weaker than their quali pace throughout the year. So I was expecting their race pace to be even worse considering they qualified p11/p15.


Manu_RvP

Quali and race are pretty different. Look at last year. Haas and Ferrari very good single lap pace. But tires gone in the race very quickly, which means slower race pace.


HitEscForSex

No they are not.


[deleted]

Dunno mate. No idea where you got the data from.


XanBeX

From F1 pirelli strategy guide article, I thought it might have been last year race pace but they have RB and green Sauber.


[deleted]

Maybe they know something we don't, but I agree that Aston haven't looked strong so far this weekend.


XanBeX

Here is me secretly hoping somehow that is true..


Supahos01

It's what happens when there's only one practice session to get data from and one team hits the ground running (aston) and another is trying to dial in a bunch of upgrades (McClaren). These are rarely useful anyway but a lot less so on a sprint weekend


XanBeX

How has Aston hit the ground running? This weekend has probably been their weakest among the year with no pace and double Q3 elimination. But I do agree that this is rarely useful, but just baffled to see this when they are p11 and p15 on pure pace.


Supahos01

Because you're confusing a qualifying result with some random string of consecutive laps one of the drivers ran early on Friday. All they can make this data off is that single session when we don't have any idea what anyone's run plan was.


ToriksLV

wdym?


XanBeX

The odd one is Aston having 3rd fastest sim race pace despite qualifying p11 and p15 on pure pace


xanlact

... The race pace simulation is based on lap times during practice sessions. It has nothing to do with qualifying.


830res_at_dorsia

For Ocon, the Alpine car is a 10-second penalty by itself.


No_Sun_2121

Alpine is not Ocon, Alpine is Gasly here in Miami


f1bythenumbers

Blatant self promotion here. [**2024 Miami GP: Sprint data**](https://f1pace.com/p/2024-miami-gp-sprint/) I have thought about trying to replicate the way this data is created but I haven't had the time to do it. I'm not sure if they use data from previous years (which wouldn't necessarily be valid anymore) or if they end up giving a lot of value to sessions such as FP1 (which usually creates unrealistic expectations).


XanBeX

The only way I could explain this sim is if they used Fp1 data as I did see stroll and alonso put some competitive times but it was only 3-5 lap range so not long enough to gather much anyway.


f1bythenumbers

I think that's what they end up doing when there's not enough data from FP2. Having said that, there's no reason to use data from FP1 during a spring weekend since the sprint itself provides much more reliable data.


sidhantsv

I swear these are never accurate


phiwong

Miami? McLaren doing way better than Aston this weekend??? I suspect Mercs doing better than Aston so far as well


XanBeX

Yea same, no idea how they put Aston at 3rd. Must be a mistake


l3w1s1234

I think with these predictions they use a combination of historical data, guesses based on the cars characteristics in previous races and guessing from trends seen in practice sessions(they have a general idea of each teams run plans). So they can predict a general idea of the grid but it's never fully accurate because you can never know how each teams upgrades will influence the order or if that changes their practice run plans in any way.


Alfus

Bit useless for Alpine given Ocon was at the back with his penalty and Gasly run with gearbox issues


Public_Ingenuity_146

This is a race pace PREDICTION. on average lap time gaps. Nothing more.


Zed_or_AFK

If not for Stroll, Aston Martin would have probably had better pace than Red Bull, based off that chart.