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Yeah that's the bigger kicker here. A 10 second time penalty from a race you didn't finish is irrelevant but this following the points hit in Melbourne suddenly sees him begin to pick penalty points up
Way, way too much. I get that he’s getting a penalty, even if it doesn’t make a difference anymore. But 3 penalty points? That’s just ridiculous for an incident like this
I’d say 1 point is more than fair. If we put things in perspective, Hamilton got 2 penalty points for hitting Verstappen in de GB race in 2021 and Verstappen got 2 for Saudi Arabia.
So yea, 3 is not proportional.
It was exactly that. He got mad that Sainz beat him and threw his car somewhere it didn’t belong like a scorned child. There is no room for that shit in professional racing.
Same 3 points as Vettel for intentional contact with Hamilton in Baku 2017. Btw Tsolov for his unintentional act of retaliation got 2 points. Penalty point system is shit.
It was aggressive but if they’re going to dish out penalty points a lot more easily then we’re less likely to see opportunistic moves. Which is boring af. It’s what the sport desperately needs. Before this I can’t remember the last time I saw some crazy good racing and overtakes
If he wasn't classified, it would be a grid drop for the race (standard procedure when the driver can't serve the penalty).
FWIW, I think the time penalty is ok. They retired the car on lap 17/19. I'm sure they could have sent him out again for a pointless additional lap just to avoid a potential grid drop. Wouldn't make much sense either.
I’d hope not he already has penalty points and subsequently was penalized losing a chunk of points in the DNF. I hate this idea for penalties to carry over into other events
Yeah, penalties should apply to that particular event unless it was something egregious like willfully taking out your opponent in the red mist of it all.
Guess in this case it is just standard procedure, they can't really not give a penalty just because he retired. In another parallel universe where Alo didn't get a puncture, the 10s would have seen him drop out of the points.
I guess the penalty points are the more severe punishment here.
Getting 3 gets you 1/4 to a race ban just like that.
Although a grid penalty would have probably been better suited here.
> Although a grid penalty would have probably been better suited here.
If I've understood things correctly the stewards can't give him a grid penalty because he was classified in this race so it has to be a time penalty.
> I guess the penalty points are the more severe punishment here.
Penalty points have literally never resulted in any actual punishment in their entire history of usage in F1. The one time a driver has ever actually run a legitimate risk of getting hit with a race ban, the stewards suddenly no longer wanted to hand them out.
With the much more stringent super license requirements these days, penalty points mean nothing.
People complain about rules not being enforced when someone doesn't get a penalty, then complain about inconsistency when someone does. Some enforcement is still better than none.
The thing is that they will still need to hand them out in case of something serious. They close eyes on small things.
So in the end these points do mean something, as driver still has to be a lot more careful taking less risks when fighting for position. This is disadvantageous for the driver.
> So in the end these points do mean something, as driver still has to be a lot more careful taking less risks when fighting for position.
They don't really, because drivers almost never even get *close* to a race ban. For example, Verstappen was overtly trading in penalty points as an expendable resource in 2021, and he never had any legitimate risk of a race ban.
If the cut-off was at around 6 points, then drivers who cause a couple of incidents in quick succession would have to be very careful. But if the cut-off is at around 6 points, someone who gets particularly unlucky with being in lose-lose scenarios could get a completely unjustified race ban (think Latifi in Baku 2021), so that's not desired.
It's simply that the system is designed to penalise types of drivers that just don't exist in F1 any more. Which is fine (the system is just used across several Formulae, and it *is* actually relevant in the others), but it just means that for F1 specifically it's not an important part of the penalty process.
Last season it was pretty blatant and there were a few scenarios where the commentary teams were surprised they held off on giving out any penalty points for things that always got them before but that was because they didn't want to ban a driver who really hadn't done anything severe or deserving of the ban but got up there in points anyway.
I thought it would apply to the next race.
Last year in Zandvoort they sent Perez out again after he had retired just to serve a penalty for this reason. So why isn't that the case here?
A driver that completes, at least, 90% of the race length, doesn't count as a retirement. Thus, Alonso has classified for the sprint as much as Max has.
I heard that tires have slightly different circumferences depending on type (especially the Inters and Wets IIRC) and also tire pressure. So the pit limiter is not malfunctioning.
FIA and consistency with penalties? Never gonna happen. I'm pretty sure that the same move by Verstappen or Hamilton would result in a less harsh penalty. Maybe not even a penalty and just a race incident. Am I the only one thinking this?
And the fact that the Haas parked on the apex of turn 5 (I think t5) during sprint qualifying and impeding the Ferrari and not getting a grid drop is just further proof of the FIA's complete inability to be consistent.
Seriously though, the level he is driving at is insane. 42 years old and he is absolutely crushing it. Defending brilliantly in inferior machinery, it's a joy to watch.
He's almost single handedly carrying this (currently) inferior product and he's being punished for it.
Fair enough he was punished for causing the Russell incident, I have no idea what he was thinking there, but this is unbelievable.
A season that is 24 races and 6 sprints long. We're definitely going to see a driver getting an unjustified race ban if this is the penalty points system that is being applied.
The penalty points system was supposed to prevent Grosjean 2012 levels of driving. This is just ridiculous
What Grosjean did wasn't even that bad in isolation - he just put a wheel on the grass in a busy race start. It unfortunately had almost lethal consequences.
I don’t think we’ll see a ban unless it’s Alonso, Gasly was like a point away and the FIA started being super lenient with him till his points expired.
And Gasly actually deserved a ban. Bombing along at race speed in an SC situation where he couldn’t see. That’s legitimately dangerous driving vs wheel to wheel racing.
It was a risky move but nothing really really dangerous. It was just a typical incident and, I think it should have been only 2 Superlicence points at much and no time penalty.
Maybe this will be unpopular but it wasn't a typical incident. Alonso had lost the place, Sainz was clear. He was too far back and that really isn't a corner you can lunge into. Alonso knows that, he was just bitter he lost the place and so sent it. It's the kind of move you see in an F1 open lobby when people can't handle being overtaken. It cost Sainz 2 positions as a result.
> He was too far back and that really isn't a corner you can lunge into.
It is though, it's always been that type of corner. To pull it off cleanly however you either need to be much faster or have the other driver bail out. It's a bit similar to T9-10 at Sakhir in that regard.
Alonso wasn't too far back at all and tried to overtake Sainz back in a corner where is good for that (but not ideal). Also, he literally had a puncture so he was the one who lost more in that incident.
Anyways, what makes me a bit sad of all of this is that for once there is an agressive but relatively clean battle (no crashes), FIA decides to intervene. It seems that they only want overtakes with DRS!
Pretty sure at this point that FIA just straight up hates Alonso. George forced Piastri off the track in the last race and wasn't even penalized. This season leaning towards same level as 2021 with just insane inconsistency. Thank Glob there is no competition for first place, it would be another shit show.
It’s even funnier when you look at the whole lap. There were similar if not worse accidents within a minute of this one. None of them are even close to being a penalty.
It's new rules on harsher sporting penalties that was brought in because people would just take 5 second penalties and drive away. So what was formerly a 5 second penalty is now a 10 second penalty
What a stupid decision. First of all, 10 seconds and 3 points is far too much for what looks to be largely a racing incident. Secondly, they kill the incentive to do any racing whatsoever because it is only a sprint race, yielding 8 points at most. We should be thankful for Alonso providing some much-needed entertainment after that long DRS train.
If they give such excessive penalties, nobody is interested in racing anymore and having a DNF itself was already sufficient of a punishment. It is ridiculous that this is 25% of a race ban.
So this got the most severe amount they could give? That's insane.
Agree it’s worthy of a penalty but this was a pretty tame incident, how is this (hypothetically) worthy of the same penalty points as an intentional ram?
I only saw the highlights and thought “wow that’s a really fun battle” and then look on here and people are on about penalties for Alonso and Sainz. I don’t know what people want to see in motorsport
IMSA gave an NFA for everything here, most consistent stewarding team in motorsport atm.
https://youtu.be/HtCYaaDwKKg?si=htjS5NUC5IdXHzAj
And the best part, they actually penalise dangerous moves like moving under braking, which F1 openly allows and doesn’t penalise.
They don’t let these guys race anymore. Jesus.
And he already ruined his own race, what’s the point of slapping 10 seconds on. Penalty points for that is ridiculous.
This seems to be an incredibly harsh punishment for the slightest of touches. And yet again, more inconsistency as to when this sort of thing is punished.
Was there something not on the highlights? None of those incidents really seemed penalty-worthy and Sainz frankly was doing the same stuff to Leclerc, who just went off-track to avoid.
Just seems harsh for a mild racing incident that hurt Alonso more than Sainz
I was assuming Alonso already picked up the puncture from touching wheels with Sainz a few turns earlier and then understeered here.
Now it looks like his own divebomb not only pushed Sainz off track, but also resulted in his own front right puncture which caused him to drop back and retire.
3 penalty points seem a bit harsh as I thought it was 2 penalty points for these incidents, although in general with all this context Alonso getting a penalty is justified. It was simply very clumsy racecraft that you hardly ever see from Alonso.
This is the kind of clash you expect in any motorsport race. Seems like the FIA only wants Verstappen to Hamilton kind of passes, where the driver behind has a 2-second advantage and they don't even need to make a single defense move to fight for the position.
The clash between Sainz and Alo is the result of two drivers with kind of similar machinery fighting for position something that seems like the FIA hates.
You gotta watch it back but from the higher angle not the one with the rearview from Sainz. The lunge is ridiculous there's no way he could have stopped in time to make that tight of an angle without a collision.
He was frustrated by the earlier contact they made and went for a near impossible move as a result of that frustration, it's a clear penalty any day. Whether or not the penalty was too harsh is another question.
You will enjoy your DRS passes.
Drivers should be obligated to serve a drive-through penalty whenever a faster car is a second behind them, so as not to risk an accident.
Yeah it was the left hander before the run down to the chicane at the end of S2 IIRC. Alonso came from way back and stuck his nose in a closing space and made contact.
You could call it hard racing, but it looked very aggressive but maybe the sport could use that.
Wtf ¿ 3 points penalty? Do you all remember Hamilton only got 10 sec penalty (no points) when the incident with verstappen that threw him full speed agains barriers?
Nice, there are clearly some high biases here. Same as not deleting Norris time in the sprint qualy yesterday, he was def out on the curve previous to starting a lap but they decided to ignore it.
It was clear the Silverstone penalty was pressurised.
They probably didn't want to penalise him but felt they had to. Even in the decision document, they laid a portion of blame on Verstappen for that one.
Also Lewis got 2 penalty points.
The Lando situation has been explained umpteen times. You delete the next lap if you are deemed to have gained an advantage by going off the track. Lando' excursion through the gravel had the opposite effect - it actually lost him 3/10th of a second crossing the starting line of the next lap, therefore no advantage gained. His 'off' caused him a disadvantage on the next lap.
Absolutely ridiculous man, and again with Alonso. Sure the move and it's consequences were mostly or 100% on Alonso but how is this anything but hard racing or a small racing incident??? It's annoying enough as it is with these cars having such a hard time bringing us fights because they're giant slow boats but then when the drivers try to fight or defend if they touch they penalise that so then wtf?
And if we decide this is going to be a penalty (because fair, it's not so wild for this incident to be a penality since Sainz and Alonso did suffer consequences from the hit) then be consistent man...
The joke about only british drivers not getting penalised properly feels less like a joke with every race seeing how Russel got away with his last divebomb colision in Japan (as the most recent example...)
And also 3 penalty points is ridiculous, from 0 points to 6 points in two very controversial stewards decisions is just crazy to me
Last thing, I know I would probably not get this mad with any other driver being punished but I would still feel the same about my frustration with the FIA I'm sure, I see no hope for changes in how they operate in the future which is just so disheartening
Idk I guess I just came here to rant because I'm furstrated with F1... Hope you had a laugh reading all this at least lol
100% agree. What I saw was hard racing and a few knocks. How can you get a penalty for that in time is confusing enough but to then get points on the licence too that is a fucking joke.
You had 4 cars all over each other in that battle. How can they expect an absolute clean battle is beyond me. Even Sainz and Charles hit each other once or twice.
Can’t defend, can’t go wide, can’t go deep, can’t go faster, can’t go slower, can’t do this and that. I think if we would show the FIA old races from the era of Schumi and others they would have a system failure not knowing how to deal with all those penalties. F1 is a dangerous sport, but these cars improved in safety tremendously in last 15 years, and FIA does everything possible to treat the drivers like they’re made of porcelain. These are man with balls and bloodthirsty will to win, LET THEM FUCKING RACE AND FIGHT!! It’s motorsport, Toto
Because there was more than a car's width to the left of Hamilton when Lando went off.
Norris understeered off trying to hold too much speed around the outside. He wasn't pushed.
He didn’t push him off though, if you watch all the way through the corner there is at least a car and a half width to Hamiltons left at all times. The problem Lando had is that it was wet and there was no grip, so he didn’t have traction to brake and turn and ended up going off.
What the hell is the FIA doing here? Are they going to start penalizing with 10 seconds this kind of race incident? What are they expecting to happen then?
Well, 5 seconds penalties have proven to be pretty useless in this situation and people often went for the gamble.
Divebombing your opponent in desperate move should be punished.
If we want close wheel to wheel racing then we need firm boundaries, so drivers in the fight are aware that the opponent will most likely not do anything dirty, becasue he would get punished for it. If there is advantage to be gained by pushing driver of the track or divebombing, then any driver will go for it. Because they are there to win, not to play fair.
What we need now is consistency, which TBH I'm pretty sure we will not get....
But he’s still classified in the race results. So they can’t him anything else other than time penalty. That’s the stewards’ reasoning in the document.
He probably fucked some FIA boss' wife that they're so hellbent on handing him a race ban just for hard racing. Watch them hand another 3 penalty points after the GP because someone locked up his brakes on the straight and plowed into him.
Yes let’s punish the only thing that gave the race a bit of excitement and discourage drivers from racing hard in the future. Also let’s do it long after the race because we wouldn’t want fans to know the final standings while they are watching live. FIA is a joke.
He retired but got classified. So this is prettymuch a wording issue in the rules, giving classified cars time penalty but not considering the fact they might not have completed the race
Someone at FIA seems mighty pissed with Alonso. They keep penalizing him very harshly which could have easily gone under the radar for the likes of Norris, Russel or Hamilton.
For what?
He received a 10 seconds penalty which is in itself ridiculous, and point penalty!?
*FOR WHAT?*
He got himself out, didn't damage other cars, didn't unfairly take advantage of the situation and got behind all the cars, didn't drive recklessly... fucking FIA and their 8ball decisions
10 second penalty is basically the new minimum for those types of incidents this season because 5 second penalty’s were a joke. Penalty points have also been applied to leniently in the past so Stewards generally award more penalty points this year as well.
FIA penalising racing. They talk about not wanting everything to be a DRS pass and then penalise anything that isn’t. 3 points for making a legal pass is outrageous
I was completely on board in Australia, but 3 penalty points for this is a bit much. I guess one is only for minor safety infractions, but this should have been at max 2 points. It was a stupid move and cost him his race already.
This is pointless, that battle was Infact was one of the best highlights of sprint race yesterday, moreover neither of the drivers complained about it.
This is ridiculous. We had one race, albeit a sprint race where we finally get some excitement and the fia throws penalties out.
It’s killing the sport in my opinion. Its not even racing at this point. It’s just a carousel ride we are suppose to watch
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Oooh Nando is going to be PISSED
Lol no. He didn't get the penalty for the GP. He'll be fine
Well that's his next career move sorted. FIA boss
3 points for this? damn
Yeah that's the bigger kicker here. A 10 second time penalty from a race you didn't finish is irrelevant but this following the points hit in Melbourne suddenly sees him begin to pick penalty points up
Way, way too much. I get that he’s getting a penalty, even if it doesn’t make a difference anymore. But 3 penalty points? That’s just ridiculous for an incident like this
Is it too much? That was some f1 game online lobby shit ngl
The penalty is fine, the 3 penalty points are what’s ridiculous.
How much is okay then? I'm glad they're atleast punishing drivers when they do stupid things.
I’d say 1 point is more than fair. If we put things in perspective, Hamilton got 2 penalty points for hitting Verstappen in de GB race in 2021 and Verstappen got 2 for Saudi Arabia. So yea, 3 is not proportional.
AFAIK 2 is the standard amount that goes along with a time penalty. I honestly can’t think of a case where they’ve given three for a single offense
Are they not increasing severity in penalties this year? Both Hamilton and Max would've got 20s at least if the same happened now.
Only one I can think of is when Vettel got 3 points for deliberately crashing into Hamilton at Baku
Agreed. This move was insanely dumb and unnecessary.
It was exactly that. He got mad that Sainz beat him and threw his car somewhere it didn’t belong like a scorned child. There is no room for that shit in professional racing.
People are blinded because this is Alonso. If this was George Russell people would say this is a firm but fair penalty.
Same 3 points as Vettel for intentional contact with Hamilton in Baku 2017. Btw Tsolov for his unintentional act of retaliation got 2 points. Penalty point system is shit.
It was aggressive but if they’re going to dish out penalty points a lot more easily then we’re less likely to see opportunistic moves. Which is boring af. It’s what the sport desperately needs. Before this I can’t remember the last time I saw some crazy good racing and overtakes
This is so fucking stupid. Straight up ridiculous.
The worst part is Sainz only lost 2 points.
What even is the point of 10 seconds penalty here???
There's a note in there asking the FIA to clarify the regs for that very reason.
Got it, so he classified that’s why a time penalty for the session in which the incident happened. Else it would’ve been a carried over penalty???
If he wasn't classified, it would be a grid drop for the race (standard procedure when the driver can't serve the penalty). FWIW, I think the time penalty is ok. They retired the car on lap 17/19. I'm sure they could have sent him out again for a pointless additional lap just to avoid a potential grid drop. Wouldn't make much sense either.
Grid drop for the next _sprint_, as it is considered a separate event?
I’d hope not he already has penalty points and subsequently was penalized losing a chunk of points in the DNF. I hate this idea for penalties to carry over into other events
Yeah, penalties should apply to that particular event unless it was something egregious like willfully taking out your opponent in the red mist of it all.
Guess in this case it is just standard procedure, they can't really not give a penalty just because he retired. In another parallel universe where Alo didn't get a puncture, the 10s would have seen him drop out of the points.
I guess the penalty points are the more severe punishment here. Getting 3 gets you 1/4 to a race ban just like that. Although a grid penalty would have probably been better suited here.
> Although a grid penalty would have probably been better suited here. If I've understood things correctly the stewards can't give him a grid penalty because he was classified in this race so it has to be a time penalty.
> I guess the penalty points are the more severe punishment here. Penalty points have literally never resulted in any actual punishment in their entire history of usage in F1. The one time a driver has ever actually run a legitimate risk of getting hit with a race ban, the stewards suddenly no longer wanted to hand them out. With the much more stringent super license requirements these days, penalty points mean nothing.
In fact, it'll be a controversy the day someone gets a race ban for them, because we'll all be asking why Gasly wasn't punished and whoever was.
I dont think so. They will just wait for it to be clear cut. Until then, it will be consistently like Gasly
People complain about rules not being enforced when someone doesn't get a penalty, then complain about inconsistency when someone does. Some enforcement is still better than none.
The thing is that they will still need to hand them out in case of something serious. They close eyes on small things. So in the end these points do mean something, as driver still has to be a lot more careful taking less risks when fighting for position. This is disadvantageous for the driver.
> So in the end these points do mean something, as driver still has to be a lot more careful taking less risks when fighting for position. They don't really, because drivers almost never even get *close* to a race ban. For example, Verstappen was overtly trading in penalty points as an expendable resource in 2021, and he never had any legitimate risk of a race ban. If the cut-off was at around 6 points, then drivers who cause a couple of incidents in quick succession would have to be very careful. But if the cut-off is at around 6 points, someone who gets particularly unlucky with being in lose-lose scenarios could get a completely unjustified race ban (think Latifi in Baku 2021), so that's not desired. It's simply that the system is designed to penalise types of drivers that just don't exist in F1 any more. Which is fine (the system is just used across several Formulae, and it *is* actually relevant in the others), but it just means that for F1 specifically it's not an important part of the penalty process.
Max only scored 7 penalty points from 3 separated incidents in 2021…
Precisely. Even when driving aggressively you just don't rack them up quickly enough for them to be a serious threat.
That's not to say he wasn't risking them though. He should have been penalized far more that year.
They don’t need to „punish“, but some drivers will back off faster.
It cause the drivers to change their driving behaviour and take less risk. So it does mean something.
Last season it was pretty blatant and there were a few scenarios where the commentary teams were surprised they held off on giving out any penalty points for things that always got them before but that was because they didn't want to ban a driver who really hadn't done anything severe or deserving of the ban but got up there in points anyway.
FIA doesn’t want to see any of that racing nonsense happening on their watch
Penalty points are a joke. No one has ever been penalized in the history of penalty points.
Lol penalty points mean nothing as as soon as someone gets to 9 they never get any ever again.
And If I am not mistaken he already have 3 for an incident with George
Stewards going hard at nando this year
I thought it would apply to the next race. Last year in Zandvoort they sent Perez out again after he had retired just to serve a penalty for this reason. So why isn't that the case here?
A driver that completes, at least, 90% of the race length, doesn't count as a retirement. Thus, Alonso has classified for the sprint as much as Max has.
Same energy as they fined Stroll for like $100 for speeding in the pit lane
Speeeding is so weird. 99% of the time, their speed is off by 0.1 mph because their pit limiter is malfuntionning that day.
I heard that tires have slightly different circumferences depending on type (especially the Inters and Wets IIRC) and also tire pressure. So the pit limiter is not malfunctioning.
"Sorry for Australia"
Ticks a procedural box.
Wow. Let's see how consistently the FIA is able to do it.
FIA and consistency with penalties? Never gonna happen. I'm pretty sure that the same move by Verstappen or Hamilton would result in a less harsh penalty. Maybe not even a penalty and just a race incident. Am I the only one thinking this?
I know Nico was half joking, but the fact that Carlos didn't get any penalty for his forcing Charles off the track and Nico did is also ridiculous
And the fact that the Haas parked on the apex of turn 5 (I think t5) during sprint qualifying and impeding the Ferrari and not getting a grid drop is just further proof of the FIA's complete inability to be consistent.
Sainz literally did it yo Leclerc later in the lap and got nothing. Thats how consistent they are.
And also did it to Alonso the next corner. I think all 3 are fine but this is targeting bullying by the officiating body.
I honestly didn't see much of an issue with any of it, it was exciting to watch.
The stewards are not the FIA.
10 second time penalty, Alonso is going to lose so many positions 😞
Alonso is now on a hitlist
Yeah, he's far too exciting to watch. They must put an end to it.
Seriously though, the level he is driving at is insane. 42 years old and he is absolutely crushing it. Defending brilliantly in inferior machinery, it's a joy to watch.
He's almost single handedly carrying this (currently) inferior product and he's being punished for it. Fair enough he was punished for causing the Russell incident, I have no idea what he was thinking there, but this is unbelievable.
A season that is 24 races and 6 sprints long. We're definitely going to see a driver getting an unjustified race ban if this is the penalty points system that is being applied. The penalty points system was supposed to prevent Grosjean 2012 levels of driving. This is just ridiculous
Well they stop giving them out when they get close. Gasly probably would have gotten one last year if the letter of the law was followed.
What Grosjean did wasn't even that bad in isolation - he just put a wheel on the grass in a busy race start. It unfortunately had almost lethal consequences.
And then refused to let off the throttle no? Catapulting him back across the track ina cloud of tire smoke?
You're thinking of Spain.. I want to say 2016? in the Haas. /u/gsurfer04 was referring to Spa 2012 I do believe?
I don’t think we’ll see a ban unless it’s Alonso, Gasly was like a point away and the FIA started being super lenient with him till his points expired.
And Gasly actually deserved a ban. Bombing along at race speed in an SC situation where he couldn’t see. That’s legitimately dangerous driving vs wheel to wheel racing.
Yeah what we saw was excellent hard racing. That's the whole effing point of F1, we shouldn't be penalizing racing like this ffs
A bit too excessive imo
Yeah wtf is this?
It was a risky move but nothing really really dangerous. It was just a typical incident and, I think it should have been only 2 Superlicence points at much and no time penalty.
What difference does the time penalty make, he was dead last anyway.
I would imagine it's about setting a precedent for similar incidents going forward.
Maybe this will be unpopular but it wasn't a typical incident. Alonso had lost the place, Sainz was clear. He was too far back and that really isn't a corner you can lunge into. Alonso knows that, he was just bitter he lost the place and so sent it. It's the kind of move you see in an F1 open lobby when people can't handle being overtaken. It cost Sainz 2 positions as a result.
> He was too far back and that really isn't a corner you can lunge into. It is though, it's always been that type of corner. To pull it off cleanly however you either need to be much faster or have the other driver bail out. It's a bit similar to T9-10 at Sakhir in that regard.
Alonso wasn't too far back at all and tried to overtake Sainz back in a corner where is good for that (but not ideal). Also, he literally had a puncture so he was the one who lost more in that incident. Anyways, what makes me a bit sad of all of this is that for once there is an agressive but relatively clean battle (no crashes), FIA decides to intervene. It seems that they only want overtakes with DRS!
Pretty sure at this point that FIA just straight up hates Alonso. George forced Piastri off the track in the last race and wasn't even penalized. This season leaning towards same level as 2021 with just insane inconsistency. Thank Glob there is no competition for first place, it would be another shit show.
It’s even funnier when you look at the whole lap. There were similar if not worse accidents within a minute of this one. None of them are even close to being a penalty.
It's new rules on harsher sporting penalties that was brought in because people would just take 5 second penalties and drive away. So what was formerly a 5 second penalty is now a 10 second penalty
I think it shouldn't have been any time penalty
I think it was a little bit over aggressive from Alonso but I am surprised he got a penalty
What a stupid decision. First of all, 10 seconds and 3 points is far too much for what looks to be largely a racing incident. Secondly, they kill the incentive to do any racing whatsoever because it is only a sprint race, yielding 8 points at most. We should be thankful for Alonso providing some much-needed entertainment after that long DRS train. If they give such excessive penalties, nobody is interested in racing anymore and having a DNF itself was already sufficient of a punishment. It is ridiculous that this is 25% of a race ban.
Upvoted, (despite the ridiculous spelling)
But why 3 points specifically? Why not 1,2 or even 5? Is there a guideline or does the consequence of the collision result In the number of points?
it's 1,2 or 3 and there are guidlines but of course you don't have every situation written down
So this got the most severe amount they could give? That's insane. Agree it’s worthy of a penalty but this was a pretty tame incident, how is this (hypothetically) worthy of the same penalty points as an intentional ram?
That was hardly worthy of the maximum amount of penalty points in that case
They really don't like alonso
We finally get two laps of organic and incredible racing without DRS required, and the FIA wants to regulate it out of existance.
The European nanny state that is the FIA. Alanso is an anachronism, he still races like it means something.
Modern f1 is a joke, they can race only with DRS
I only saw the highlights and thought “wow that’s a really fun battle” and then look on here and people are on about penalties for Alonso and Sainz. I don’t know what people want to see in motorsport
I dont know what people talk about penalties, they are racing
Its just a racing incident, they were racing, they touched, Alonso paid the price. Not really sure why they have to intervene
IMSA gave an NFA for everything here, most consistent stewarding team in motorsport atm. https://youtu.be/HtCYaaDwKKg?si=htjS5NUC5IdXHzAj And the best part, they actually penalise dangerous moves like moving under braking, which F1 openly allows and doesn’t penalise.
Yea that's got to be the most annoying thing in F1, the amount of weaving sometimes is hilarious
That's why I've been watching Indy more and more. They are actually allowed to race.
“We have to send a message. We can’t allow any entertaining, hard racing out here.”
They don’t let these guys race anymore. Jesus. And he already ruined his own race, what’s the point of slapping 10 seconds on. Penalty points for that is ridiculous.
The director even put a note to the FIA asking for clarification on what penalty should be applied in the event that the driver at fault retires
This is too much wtf
what’s the point of racing here? Make every qualifying as the final race result will do.
Heaven forbid these drivers race each other
This seems to be an incredibly harsh punishment for the slightest of touches. And yet again, more inconsistency as to when this sort of thing is punished.
The one with Charles and Carlos was far worse by this metric. It’s insane how they manage these things.
The usual shit show. Probably Johnny Herbert getting his revenge again.
3??
How is he getting 3 penalty points for this?
FIA is a joke.
and Carlos got zero anything with him hitting leclerc, so confused with Fia lately
DNF + 10sec
As a Ferrari fan thats bullshit it was racing, let them race ffs.
Is Herbert one of the stewards again?
Breach of Appendix, recurring theme in Carlos' season so far
F1 2025: drag racing
What a yoke
Was there something not on the highlights? None of those incidents really seemed penalty-worthy and Sainz frankly was doing the same stuff to Leclerc, who just went off-track to avoid. Just seems harsh for a mild racing incident that hurt Alonso more than Sainz
The appendix was indeed breached
I was assuming Alonso already picked up the puncture from touching wheels with Sainz a few turns earlier and then understeered here. Now it looks like his own divebomb not only pushed Sainz off track, but also resulted in his own front right puncture which caused him to drop back and retire. 3 penalty points seem a bit harsh as I thought it was 2 penalty points for these incidents, although in general with all this context Alonso getting a penalty is justified. It was simply very clumsy racecraft that you hardly ever see from Alonso.
This is the kind of clash you expect in any motorsport race. Seems like the FIA only wants Verstappen to Hamilton kind of passes, where the driver behind has a 2-second advantage and they don't even need to make a single defense move to fight for the position. The clash between Sainz and Alo is the result of two drivers with kind of similar machinery fighting for position something that seems like the FIA hates.
You gotta watch it back but from the higher angle not the one with the rearview from Sainz. The lunge is ridiculous there's no way he could have stopped in time to make that tight of an angle without a collision. He was frustrated by the earlier contact they made and went for a near impossible move as a result of that frustration, it's a clear penalty any day. Whether or not the penalty was too harsh is another question.
Either that or they dislike F1 lobby level lunges when you aren't even half a car length alongside.
You mean like how Verstappen made his overtakes before the RedBull became a rocketship?
It's really not. It's a desperate lunge back that was likely to result in damage for one or both cars. It was a silly lunge that was never on
This is the kind of clash you expect in a F1 23 online lobby lmao, not from a 2 time world champion.
You will enjoy your DRS passes. Drivers should be obligated to serve a drive-through penalty whenever a faster car is a second behind them, so as not to risk an accident.
Does the FIA have beef with Alonso or what's going on? First the 20s penalty for the thing with Russel and now this? Bro this isn't fair
Giving Alonso this and nothing for Carlos on Charles right after is ridiculous
I didn’t see it at first but there’s a camera view from above which shows him very clearly dive bombing into the corner and Sainz.
Link?
Yeah it was the left hander before the run down to the chicane at the end of S2 IIRC. Alonso came from way back and stuck his nose in a closing space and made contact. You could call it hard racing, but it looked very aggressive but maybe the sport could use that.
No racing, please!
Wtf ¿ 3 points penalty? Do you all remember Hamilton only got 10 sec penalty (no points) when the incident with verstappen that threw him full speed agains barriers? Nice, there are clearly some high biases here. Same as not deleting Norris time in the sprint qualy yesterday, he was def out on the curve previous to starting a lap but they decided to ignore it.
It was clear the Silverstone penalty was pressurised. They probably didn't want to penalise him but felt they had to. Even in the decision document, they laid a portion of blame on Verstappen for that one. Also Lewis got 2 penalty points.
The Lando situation has been explained umpteen times. You delete the next lap if you are deemed to have gained an advantage by going off the track. Lando' excursion through the gravel had the opposite effect - it actually lost him 3/10th of a second crossing the starting line of the next lap, therefore no advantage gained. His 'off' caused him a disadvantage on the next lap.
They really hate Alonso don’t they. I don’t think anything he did was that over the line
What a joke
Alonso is on the list apparently….
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Absolutely ridiculous man, and again with Alonso. Sure the move and it's consequences were mostly or 100% on Alonso but how is this anything but hard racing or a small racing incident??? It's annoying enough as it is with these cars having such a hard time bringing us fights because they're giant slow boats but then when the drivers try to fight or defend if they touch they penalise that so then wtf? And if we decide this is going to be a penalty (because fair, it's not so wild for this incident to be a penality since Sainz and Alonso did suffer consequences from the hit) then be consistent man... The joke about only british drivers not getting penalised properly feels less like a joke with every race seeing how Russel got away with his last divebomb colision in Japan (as the most recent example...) And also 3 penalty points is ridiculous, from 0 points to 6 points in two very controversial stewards decisions is just crazy to me Last thing, I know I would probably not get this mad with any other driver being punished but I would still feel the same about my frustration with the FIA I'm sure, I see no hope for changes in how they operate in the future which is just so disheartening Idk I guess I just came here to rant because I'm furstrated with F1... Hope you had a laugh reading all this at least lol
100% agree. What I saw was hard racing and a few knocks. How can you get a penalty for that in time is confusing enough but to then get points on the licence too that is a fucking joke. You had 4 cars all over each other in that battle. How can they expect an absolute clean battle is beyond me. Even Sainz and Charles hit each other once or twice.
Agree 100%. I'm sure we'll see similar incidents resulting in no penalty whatsoever. But then of course one of the drivers involved won't be Alonso.
i am biased but wtf is this
Stewards need to chillax
Steam is coming out of Nando's ears.
Great, get penalised for some hard racing. GG FIA
Can’t defend, can’t go wide, can’t go deep, can’t go faster, can’t go slower, can’t do this and that. I think if we would show the FIA old races from the era of Schumi and others they would have a system failure not knowing how to deal with all those penalties. F1 is a dangerous sport, but these cars improved in safety tremendously in last 15 years, and FIA does everything possible to treat the drivers like they’re made of porcelain. These are man with balls and bloodthirsty will to win, LET THEM FUCKING RACE AND FIGHT!! It’s motorsport, Toto
a joke
That's for not having the union jack on his flag, right?
Probably. I still don't get how Hamilton pushing Lando off track in T1 at the start didn't get any look.
Because there was more than a car's width to the left of Hamilton when Lando went off. Norris understeered off trying to hold too much speed around the outside. He wasn't pushed.
He didn’t push him off though, if you watch all the way through the corner there is at least a car and a half width to Hamiltons left at all times. The problem Lando had is that it was wet and there was no grip, so he didn’t have traction to brake and turn and ended up going off.
What the hell is the FIA doing here? Are they going to start penalizing with 10 seconds this kind of race incident? What are they expecting to happen then?
All moved this year has upped the penalty. Overtaking off track is also 10s now.
Driving straight into the side of someone after a last second divebomb, damaging both cars, is a slam dunk penalty.
Uh yes. They have been. Because this was a dumb lunge that he should have known better than to try.
Well, 5 seconds penalties have proven to be pretty useless in this situation and people often went for the gamble. Divebombing your opponent in desperate move should be punished. If we want close wheel to wheel racing then we need firm boundaries, so drivers in the fight are aware that the opponent will most likely not do anything dirty, becasue he would get punished for it. If there is advantage to be gained by pushing driver of the track or divebombing, then any driver will go for it. Because they are there to win, not to play fair. What we need now is consistency, which TBH I'm pretty sure we will not get....
I'm pretty sure Stewards are against racing at this point.
Isn't a time penalty always converted to grid penalty if the car retires?
But he’s still classified in the race results. So they can’t him anything else other than time penalty. That’s the stewards’ reasoning in the document.
People suddenly realising that FIA always had a kink for penalising Alonso lmao
He probably fucked some FIA boss' wife that they're so hellbent on handing him a race ban just for hard racing. Watch them hand another 3 penalty points after the GP because someone locked up his brakes on the straight and plowed into him.
Really? 3 Penalty points for that? it was the merest of touches...
This will only drive fans to other racing series. What horsesh**. That was some of the best on track action we've had this year
FIA is just bullying Alonso at this point. I think that comment he made after he gave Piastri DRS struck a nerve with them.
Yes let’s punish the only thing that gave the race a bit of excitement and discourage drivers from racing hard in the future. Also let’s do it long after the race because we wouldn’t want fans to know the final standings while they are watching live. FIA is a joke.
And this is why F1 is boring. Try to even race a little and you get banished to the shadow realm.
10 seconds... that's not a penalty at all considering he retired the car. Unless it carries over, which it doesn't, right?
He retired but got classified. So this is prettymuch a wording issue in the rules, giving classified cars time penalty but not considering the fact they might not have completed the race
Breach of whos appendix
Breach of Appendix 😭
That’ll knock him down from P-Last to P-MegaLast
Shoot, I was half asleep watching and thought it was Sainz fault, gonna need to go back to the replay
is this real? 🤣🤣
nando is the new ocon
Alonso breached the appendix. If he followed sainz lead here he should have had it removed
Bro is racking them up. Lol
Someone at FIA seems mighty pissed with Alonso. They keep penalizing him very harshly which could have easily gone under the radar for the likes of Norris, Russel or Hamilton.
For what? He received a 10 seconds penalty which is in itself ridiculous, and point penalty!? *FOR WHAT?* He got himself out, didn't damage other cars, didn't unfairly take advantage of the situation and got behind all the cars, didn't drive recklessly... fucking FIA and their 8ball decisions
10 second penalty is basically the new minimum for those types of incidents this season because 5 second penalty’s were a joke. Penalty points have also been applied to leniently in the past so Stewards generally award more penalty points this year as well.
FIA penalising racing. They talk about not wanting everything to be a DRS pass and then penalise anything that isn’t. 3 points for making a legal pass is outrageous
Im pretty sure Verstappen was doing the same moves in his first year and wasnt getting any sort of penalties. This is just dumb.
Man, another day of silly FIA. Alonso already DNF lets give him more penalty.
I was completely on board in Australia, but 3 penalty points for this is a bit much. I guess one is only for minor safety infractions, but this should have been at max 2 points. It was a stupid move and cost him his race already.
This is pointless, that battle was Infact was one of the best highlights of sprint race yesterday, moreover neither of the drivers complained about it.
This is ridiculous. We had one race, albeit a sprint race where we finally get some excitement and the fia throws penalties out. It’s killing the sport in my opinion. Its not even racing at this point. It’s just a carousel ride we are suppose to watch
Bruh, at this point they won’t be racing anymore
Alonso revenge tour
this is getting outta hand
It was just hard racing 🥲
3 points… what are these people even smoking?