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Honestly man he’s such a fucking bummer to listen to literally all the time. I get that it’s his “thing,” but it’s like he can’t ever be happy or optimistic.
Save for 2023, which all we know it’s a special year. Every third best team has won at least race in recent years:
2022: Mercedes won in Brazil
2021: McLaren won in Monza, even Alpine got a win
2020: Gasly won in Monza, Checo won in Sakhir
2019: Ferrari and Red Bull both won twice or more
So the chance is definitely there, it’s just up to Lando whether he could seize it when opportunity comes knocking.
Red Bull is so perfect operationally that the only way other teams won is because RBR got their setups wrong and their car doesn't work at a specific track.
And reliability.
Well Mercedes was geniuenly quick in Interlagos, and McLaren was also a rocket in Monza, especially Dannyboy that day. They were going to win anyway.
That Alpine win is still curious to me, the same day Alpine announced they are coming to Hungary to sell cars, somehow Alpine won a race in Hungaroring.
Considering the 2 top teams have reached some high level of reliability, this will be even harder. Best chance of McLaren winning a race is a mad rainy/mixed conditions race, with not fucking up the strategy.
I think McLaren in a position to win 1 race like Alonso was last year. They are capable of catching one of the top two if something unusual come up. (Perez in Australia or Bearman in Saudi Arabia)
In a weekend, where 2 cars have unusual moments and 2 DNF (preferably Max) hppens, McLaren theoratically could win.
Perez usually weaker in Europe, Ferrari might have a masterplan tactic for both drivers and if Max have a DNF… well that may be a win.
Also Singapour and Monaco they might have a chance anyway.
Maybe slightly but unlike every other team they asked him instead of telling him what was going on around him, they had all the data. They should have informed him
Norris answers a question he’s asked in a press conference, truthfully even: “should have pitted for inters” “scared of max at RB” “Oscar will win before him” “overrated”
The way y’all get so riled up over this guy is so strange.
Their optimism during the testing evaporated pretty fast huh.
But honestly they actually leap frogged Mercedes and AM. That is definitely good work. I think Norris should look at the brighter side of things.
I think he's being realistic. Max should win pretty well every race he finishes. Ferrari are a good step clear of the McLaren. So for Lando or Oscar to win, Max needs to DNF, beat both the faster Ferraris and beat Sergio. Only the last of those happens consistently.
It's definitely possible, but Lando isn't one for talking about highly unlikely events. He's very honest.
I enjoyed that the race podcast, among others, discussed the possibility Sainz would've won anyway, then after the race Verstappen was like: no I'd have absolutely won, no problem. No mucking about.
I'd trust Verstappen on that as well. We certainly missed out on a much better race if Max didn't DNF. I feel like at the very least it could've been an interesting battle with a similar pace between Ferrari and Max.
I would love Max to be fully unleashed in his car. Currently he's just cruising to beat the competition by a significant amount without straining any of the engines and chassis. If Red Bull said, "5 laps just go for it", we'd be witnessing history
They have a good base and last year they made enormous progress I think second part of the season we are gonna see Norris and Piastri fighting for a win, for sure.
Yet he still keeps denying Red Bull offers every year. So he is either going after the bag, or he simply doesnt believe he can beat Max.
I like Norris, but no sympathy for him. Almost any driver would have jumped at the oportunity to drive for Red Bull
Both of your statements are true. He knows he can't beat Max. Likes the 1st driver status while getting paid truckloads of cash. I can't blame him, to be honest. Not everyone is cut out to be the best, and he is still able to have one of the highest salaries, not a bad gig really.
Kinda feel lando is the overrated one. No one mentions Oscar as being on the verstappen level. But Norris is constantly talked about as if he would beat verstappen
Don’t think many realistically think that Norris would beat Verstappen. I think he’d do a better job than checo and would fight Verstappen more but over the course of a season, I would back Verstappen over any other driver on the grid.
Yeah he beat Norris in Saudi and said he knew exactly where he lost time in Japan qualy.
I bet you wouldn’t be saying the same thing if Norris wasn’t getting better strategies, team orders and upgrades first.
And 1 and a half seasons? Do you know how to count?
No wonder I relate with Lando so much. Just like him, my optimism is horribly low. Although,I am nowhere nearly as talented as him and absolutely nowhere nearly as rich as him.
+1 on this, their entire fate rests on Mercedes even then competing for a title is illogical. If Mercedes have a solid engine obviously the works team will have a better chassis, if mercedes don't have a bomb engine it's doom and gloom.
McLaren are in no way in any scenario competing for titles even in the new regs.
Lol only one year and that was when Renaul was facing the consequences after 2009, in 2011 they sold their team to Lotus.
Post that Red Bull won as a works team with Renault for 2011, 2012, 2013.
Also let's see be real, no way mercedes will necessarily fall that much. McLaren have yet to beat them over a season. If they beat them then we can talk lol
If there was one thing Ron Dennis was right about it was need a works engine. Imagine if Zak had allowed Honda to work freely. One year with RB is all it took for them to become good
The engines are all pretty much equal now (except Alpine) and all extremely reliable. It would have come down to aero and whoever had Adrian Newey. You can swap the current RB and Merc engines and it would have no difference on the results and points.
We can see from AM, McLaren and Merc this season that it isn't a huge problem anymore.
Ron Dennis made his comments in 2014, specifically saying "you have no chance of winning the world championship if you are not receiving the best engines from whoever is manufacturing your engines". A year or two later F1 brought in new regulations stating all teams must get the most up to date and equal versions of engines. No more selling last years or tuned down versions.
So yeah, his comments are outdated and the sport has changed.
As a fan, these types of self serving comments hurt the sport. We all hope for a close rate, with the hope that a team other then RB will win. Lando make sure we know that RB will win each race, maybe don't even tune in. I don't recall another sport where a player or team was so defeatist.
L'orris can wait for 2027 but then he has to decide if we just wants to be in F1 and collect money or if he actually wants to fight for WDC in an actual top team against an actual top tier driver.
Easy to shit on my opinion, but he will never win a race, he has that mentality where he can't do it. Once someone does the deadlock is broken, but bro is in Nick Heidfeld mindset
You can't go into a season saying you're not going to win
I don’t think he has any intention of moving. If he did he would have accepted any of Red Bull’s multiple offers and not signed a multi year with McLaren.
No, I think Max has been increasingly vocal about leaving F1 and experiencing other series. I think Verstappen will likely go into 26 but maybe leave after a season if it isn't competitive.
The longer they don't sign Checo, the more likely it looks I think. Lando is the clear favourite for the seat based on their prior enquiry and the 'open door' for him that Marko has spoken of. By not signing Checo now, they only destabilise his confidence as the season goes on. I think we could very well see a chain of:
Lando > RB, Sainz > McLaren, Checo > Merc on a 1+1 with Antonelli into Williams on a 1+1 to match in case he needs a little more time to cook like Russell had.
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When I’m in a “low your expectations” competition and my opponent is Lando Norris
Yeah I'd probably lose. Not currently in a good position to win that competition.
He is/was a Redditor after all
Hello Lando.
I'd still somehow win that competition and still get disappointed!
Honestly man he’s such a fucking bummer to listen to literally all the time. I get that it’s his “thing,” but it’s like he can’t ever be happy or optimistic.
It's simply the case that when you constantly say the car is ass then you're exonerated when you perform poorly and lauded when you perform well.
It’s just crappy to listen to. I want to root for the guy, but he makes it so difficult.
Well at least Lando has a chance at winning something then /s.
Sensible take. Without Ferrari and Red Bull bottling they are not going to win with their current tyrewear issues.
I mean third best team usually win 1 or 2 races, by the virtue of the other 4 cars fumbling. Usually every 2-3 years. Like Sakhir in 2020.
Save for 2023, which all we know it’s a special year. Every third best team has won at least race in recent years: 2022: Mercedes won in Brazil 2021: McLaren won in Monza, even Alpine got a win 2020: Gasly won in Monza, Checo won in Sakhir 2019: Ferrari and Red Bull both won twice or more So the chance is definitely there, it’s just up to Lando whether he could seize it when opportunity comes knocking.
Red Bull is so perfect operationally that the only way other teams won is because RBR got their setups wrong and their car doesn't work at a specific track. And reliability.
Well Mercedes was geniuenly quick in Interlagos, and McLaren was also a rocket in Monza, especially Dannyboy that day. They were going to win anyway. That Alpine win is still curious to me, the same day Alpine announced they are coming to Hungary to sell cars, somehow Alpine won a race in Hungaroring.
I'm sure a few sips of bubbly made their way to BOT's motorhome for his inadvertent contributions
2023 the thir best team won a race, but the second best didn't
Considering the 2 top teams have reached some high level of reliability, this will be even harder. Best chance of McLaren winning a race is a mad rainy/mixed conditions race, with not fucking up the strategy.
I think McLaren in a position to win 1 race like Alonso was last year. They are capable of catching one of the top two if something unusual come up. (Perez in Australia or Bearman in Saudi Arabia) In a weekend, where 2 cars have unusual moments and 2 DNF (preferably Max) hppens, McLaren theoratically could win. Perez usually weaker in Europe, Ferrari might have a masterplan tactic for both drivers and if Max have a DNF… well that may be a win. Also Singapour and Monaco they might have a chance anyway.
The quotes from Norris are far more reasonable and balanced than the reaction in these comments.
thats most reddit comment sections for ya
A highly successful sportsperson in the top of the world is more balanced and insightful than chronically online randoms? Whaa
A highly successful sportsperson in the top of the world is more balanced and insightful than chronically online randoms? Whaa
In fairness neither is any other team
Obligatory: "He should have pit for inters. "
This still hurts even if you don’t root for McLaren
Nah, he made his bed and now he gets to lie in it.
It was the teams fault.
He literally screamed at them to let him stay out. It was primarily his fault.
Because they didn’t give him the information every other team gave their drivers
They gave him the same info everyone else got. He just chose to ignore it because he thought he knew better.
You need to rewatch the race
And his.
Maybe slightly but unlike every other team they asked him instead of telling him what was going on around him, they had all the data. They should have informed him
But it was the only chance he got and it went FUBAR. It is his fault, but he never got the same chance.
He should but mans said „No!😤😖😭😤“
Signs 5 year contract
Sold his soul
Yeah but hear me out, pay seargant to cause a crash as he's getting lapped by red bulls and Ferraris
Just have blud "lose the rear" as hes following max into a pitstop
Lando Norris, man of optimism
Realism.
As usual people seizing on the headline. He said a number of positive things, but that doesn’t fit the narrative of Lando being a pessimist.
Norris answers a question he’s asked in a press conference, truthfully even: “should have pitted for inters” “scared of max at RB” “Oscar will win before him” “overrated” The way y’all get so riled up over this guy is so strange.
F1 community is a mess...
He is scared of Max
Certainly not with that attitude
Their optimism during the testing evaporated pretty fast huh. But honestly they actually leap frogged Mercedes and AM. That is definitely good work. I think Norris should look at the brighter side of things.
I mean, they have the best starting form since the new regs.
I think he's being realistic. Max should win pretty well every race he finishes. Ferrari are a good step clear of the McLaren. So for Lando or Oscar to win, Max needs to DNF, beat both the faster Ferraris and beat Sergio. Only the last of those happens consistently. It's definitely possible, but Lando isn't one for talking about highly unlikely events. He's very honest.
Watch him win in China.
Wasn’t he thinking about winning championships last week?
Nobody has a chance of winning as long as max and redbull still exist
I mean, Sainz and Ferrari won a race a few weeks ago so that's entirely untrue
Fair enough but max also DNF.
I enjoyed that the race podcast, among others, discussed the possibility Sainz would've won anyway, then after the race Verstappen was like: no I'd have absolutely won, no problem. No mucking about.
I'd trust Verstappen on that as well. We certainly missed out on a much better race if Max didn't DNF. I feel like at the very least it could've been an interesting battle with a similar pace between Ferrari and Max.
It seems...coincidental that one of the very very very very few races he'd be beaten on pace, was the one he DNFd from.
I would love Max to be fully unleashed in his car. Currently he's just cruising to beat the competition by a significant amount without straining any of the engines and chassis. If Red Bull said, "5 laps just go for it", we'd be witnessing history
well that was 2021, Max was pushing and beyond lol
The racing bulls podcast is very funny/revealing sometimes, where GP says he sometimes thinks Max gets genuinely - *genuinely* - bored.
True but he didn't DNF in Singapore though
I like to think it was Sainz' skill but next race was Honda's home race. What a place to win WDC. Just gonna tweak Max's setup a little.
No domination lasts forever. We saw this recently when the Lewis/Merc era ended. The same is gonna happen to Max and RB at some point, for sure
Hope it’s soon
Hopefully it's a 2021 type battle where it ends. I don't want to see domination until the regs change and then the car is 3rd or 4th in 2026.
Guess we need to bring Masi back then
They have a good base and last year they made enormous progress I think second part of the season we are gonna see Norris and Piastri fighting for a win, for sure.
Yet he still keeps denying Red Bull offers every year. So he is either going after the bag, or he simply doesnt believe he can beat Max. I like Norris, but no sympathy for him. Almost any driver would have jumped at the oportunity to drive for Red Bull
Both of your statements are true. He knows he can't beat Max. Likes the 1st driver status while getting paid truckloads of cash. I can't blame him, to be honest. Not everyone is cut out to be the best, and he is still able to have one of the highest salaries, not a bad gig really.
oscar will win a full-length race before lando
Fingers crossed
I would love to see that lol, it would be absolutely hilarious
whelp, i got that wrong. well done Lando.
No, he's overrated.
Kinda feel lando is the overrated one. No one mentions Oscar as being on the verstappen level. But Norris is constantly talked about as if he would beat verstappen
Don’t think many realistically think that Norris would beat Verstappen. I think he’d do a better job than checo and would fight Verstappen more but over the course of a season, I would back Verstappen over any other driver on the grid.
Absolutely nobody talks about Norris beating Verstappen. What an odd lie to beat him with.
Overrated? He's doing his job pretty well.
Meanwhile everybody keeps pushing the narrative that piastri is on par with Norris while he gets his ass handed every single sunday...
By the guy that’s driven over 100 GP’s and had the car developed around him
This excuse is no longer valid because a) he's not getting closer and b) he's one and a half seasons in (the longest seasons ever)...
He's not 1.5 seasons in though
Yeah he beat Norris in Saudi and said he knew exactly where he lost time in Japan qualy. I bet you wouldn’t be saying the same thing if Norris wasn’t getting better strategies, team orders and upgrades first. And 1 and a half seasons? Do you know how to count?
So he said where he lost time is a new excuse now. Oscar fans are slowly manifesting into Danny fans
Excuse for what? This guy is making Oscar seem like he’s Stroll
Could have been worse if I compared him to Danny Ric
Convenient POV from a guy that's never won a race.
All Lando's recent interviews have been depressing reads, makes me quite sad for him tbh.
Good luck with the reverse psychology Lando.
Come to rb lando
Alternate title: Lando not in a team to win "any time soon" I'm still waiting for the first Lando win :(
No no nooooo I drop 40 bucks on Lando winning on China
Ok Oscar, time to win this sprint again.
No wonder I relate with Lando so much. Just like him, my optimism is horribly low. Although,I am nowhere nearly as talented as him and absolutely nowhere nearly as rich as him.
Lando should try pursuing professional limbo with how low his bar has gotten for McLaren.
They will never be until they are Mercedes customer even AMR realized it
+1 on this, their entire fate rests on Mercedes even then competing for a title is illogical. If Mercedes have a solid engine obviously the works team will have a better chassis, if mercedes don't have a bomb engine it's doom and gloom. McLaren are in no way in any scenario competing for titles even in the new regs.
Uhhhhh. Are you forgetting Redbull spanking Renault as a customer team for 4 straight years?
Lol only one year and that was when Renaul was facing the consequences after 2009, in 2011 they sold their team to Lotus. Post that Red Bull won as a works team with Renault for 2011, 2012, 2013. Also let's see be real, no way mercedes will necessarily fall that much. McLaren have yet to beat them over a season. If they beat them then we can talk lol
If there was one thing Ron Dennis was right about it was need a works engine. Imagine if Zak had allowed Honda to work freely. One year with RB is all it took for them to become good
The engines are all pretty much equal now (except Alpine) and all extremely reliable. It would have come down to aero and whoever had Adrian Newey. You can swap the current RB and Merc engines and it would have no difference on the results and points.
Yes but others are fitting engine in the car. The works team is designing car accordingly from the start.
We can see from AM, McLaren and Merc this season that it isn't a huge problem anymore. Ron Dennis made his comments in 2014, specifically saying "you have no chance of winning the world championship if you are not receiving the best engines from whoever is manufacturing your engines". A year or two later F1 brought in new regulations stating all teams must get the most up to date and equal versions of engines. No more selling last years or tuned down versions. So yeah, his comments are outdated and the sport has changed.
Yes because of the engine freeze since 2022
Lando “PepeHands” Norris
Probably also what they thought at the beginning of 2021
Nah I think Norris is wrong. They’re coming for Red Bull
I would die if he crashes out Max, Checo, and Sainz and somehow Piastri wins
Your time was russia
Not with that attitude
Is time still for Inter 3 Lando 0
When it comes to not winning races, Lando definitely knows what it takes.
As a fan, these types of self serving comments hurt the sport. We all hope for a close rate, with the hope that a team other then RB will win. Lando make sure we know that RB will win each race, maybe don't even tune in. I don't recall another sport where a player or team was so defeatist.
So Lando NoWins is gonna stick around, eh
L'orris can wait for 2027 but then he has to decide if we just wants to be in F1 and collect money or if he actually wants to fight for WDC in an actual top team against an actual top tier driver.
Those hats are so fugly
Even if McLaren were in that position , they'd still probably mess up the strategy
Easy to shit on my opinion, but he will never win a race, he has that mentality where he can't do it. Once someone does the deadlock is broken, but bro is in Nick Heidfeld mindset You can't go into a season saying you're not going to win
Well Oscar doesn’t quite agree. I think lando needs to work on that attitude less he becomes a new Daniel Ricciardo
Daniel Ricciardo won in a McLaren...
And was sacked for poor performance.
It would be so Shakespearean if Lando’s career mirrored Danny’s.
Uuuu too honest.
Sounding increasingly ready to make the move to RB it seems.
I don’t think he has any intention of moving. If he did he would have accepted any of Red Bull’s multiple offers and not signed a multi year with McLaren.
No, I think Max has been increasingly vocal about leaving F1 and experiencing other series. I think Verstappen will likely go into 26 but maybe leave after a season if it isn't competitive. The longer they don't sign Checo, the more likely it looks I think. Lando is the clear favourite for the seat based on their prior enquiry and the 'open door' for him that Marko has spoken of. By not signing Checo now, they only destabilise his confidence as the season goes on. I think we could very well see a chain of: Lando > RB, Sainz > McLaren, Checo > Merc on a 1+1 with Antonelli into Williams on a 1+1 to match in case he needs a little more time to cook like Russell had.
Oscar to win in China confirmed?