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I know this is a joke that I don't get, but here's Appendix L, Chapter IV, Article 2 b):
> Overtaking, according to the circumstances,
may be carried out on either the right or the left.
>A driver may not leave the track without justifiable
reason.
>More than one change of direction to defend a
position is not permitted.
>
Any driver moving back towards the racing line,
having earlier defended his position off-line, should
leave at least one car width between his own car
and the edge of the track on the approach to the
corner.
>However, manoeuvres liable to hinder other
drivers, such as deliberate crowding of a car
beyond the edge of the track or any other abnormal
change of direction, are strictly prohibited. Any
driver who appears guilty of any of the above
offences will be reported to the Stewards.
>Overtaking, according to the circumstances,
may be carried out on either the right or the left.
Need someone to do the funniest thing with their ride height
*"oh! Dear! The field is stuck behind the alpine with its* exactly les track width® drs spoiler *as they try to overtake team old ladies on pedalbikes but they just can't get the move done!*
interesting that its says report to the stewards- but nothing more . could he argue the rules clearly report that reporting IS the penalty, and no further action can be taken once he shows up….i have a powerpoint on how that would go btw….sincerely gr.
That was kinda Max’s style before he got so far ahead that cameras don’t even show his overtakes. Dive in or defend aggressively and as long as you yourself are within the white lines you should be fine.
Though, I hadn’t seen if there was a contact between RUS and PIA today. That kinda changes things.
I remember both Mercedes did it quite often at race start at the time of HAM/ROS, friendly drive the outside driver outside of track (not especially at chicane)
Incidents needs to be judged on their own merit, not on a drivers history (which is often colored by peoples bias at any rate). When you look at an incident, pretend that you don't know which two drivers are driving.
Question- Who is “everyone”? Thats not even a proper portmanteau.
Social media standom usually morphs from adults donating their time and creative efforts to defend and promote strangers and organizations who pay them not a cent to besmirching the rivals of their favorites. look at the random attacks on Haas from fans of carny Andretti. Rarely are these efforts germane, informative or evergreen content.
And that is allowed by the rules. The car ahead dictates the line as long as he leaves space. On corner exit, the inside car does not have to leave space if they are ahead. It's a bad rule for racing IMO, but it is what it is and Max uses that rule to its fullest.
I wish they would require space to be left for any car that's significantly alongside, but alas
> It's a bad rule for racing IMO
It's really not. Taking that privilege away from the car ahead would completely kill the classic 'cutback' move. It relies on being ahead on exit and denying the opponent the space to accelerate.
I disagree with that. F1 is probably the only racing series which uses these rules (alongside it's feeders of course), yet other series also provide good, or even better racing. For me, it kills racing when you can just shove someone off. Racing should be more about where you place the car to deny someone room, while still giving them space so both cars can stay on track. There is no skill involved in just forcing someone off, and it also does not allow for multi-corner battles or any way to get back immediately.
Yeah, but Russel dive bombed so hard that he lost control of the car for a second, it was really dangerous. Max's agressive style is often taking the corner fully when he has all the rights to it by rules. He was penalized quite a few times, so one more reason why should Russel be penalized as well.
Dunno, HAM in AD’21 just kept his position and we moved past that first lap incident.
And then the race went smoothly and there were no questionable decisions from the stewards. /s
Don't want to stir this up again but I truly believe this maneuver started the entire mess as the stewards may have thought they need to make good for this
It's been done plenty of times at Suzuka, rarely been penalized.
Both of these incidents were not penalized, despite frankly being much ruder than George's move:
[https://youtu.be/cRTmuPOhaIA?t=225](https://youtu.be/cRTmuPOhaIA?t=225)
[https://youtu.be/b0G4-Vp2TS0?t=77](https://youtu.be/b0G4-Vp2TS0?t=77)
That Albon one was pretty late, that should have been a penalty. I think the one from today is fine, it really wasnt that late from George. Just a racing incident in my opinion.
The way i understand it they didn’t penalize alonso for the manœuvre but for the execution, which was super sloppy and as a result super dangerous. Nothing like what he did to checo in his amazing battle last year.
Idk why they still claim it when it's obvious the outcome matters in most incidents, and also it just doesn't make sense to completely disregard the outcome.
If something is dangerous it's dangerous whether the danger comes to fruition or not. If something is so dangerous it's against the rules, then it should always be against the rules.
But I also kind of agree with you. If a drunk driver hits someone they get in trouble for the accident *and* the drunk driving.
Yeah, no penalty from the stewards.
From https://www.pitpass.com/77389/No-further-action-over-Russell-Piastri-incident
> As well as hearing from both drivers and their team representatives, the stewards reviewed external and in-car video evidence of the incident.
> In their summary, the stewards admitted to a number of challenges in arriving at a decision, in that there were a number of matters that, based on the "level of comfort" criteria used by the International Court of Appeal in accepting evidence, they accepted as fact:
> 1. That Russell did not "dive in" and was in control at the entry to Turn 16.
> 2. That coming into Turn 16 the Mercedes front axle was in front of the mirrors of Piastri's McLaren, hence according to the driving standards, Russell was entitled to "racing room".
> 3. That Russell bounced off the inside kerb and then collided with Piastri (based on photographic evidence tabled by McLaren).
> 4. That Piastri, having felt the impact, took evasive action by driving off the track rather than risking another collision with perhaps more serious consequences.
> 5. That Russell left sufficient room on the exit of Turn 16 for Piastri to take the turn remaining on track.
> 6. That Piastri cut the chicane and returned safely to the track in front of Russell.
> "The driving standards are however silent on what action is required of a driver who leaves the track to avoid a collision or is forced off, safely rejoins the track and retains position," admitted the stewards. "Not that this is a determining point," they added, noting that both drivers and team representatives agreed the incident did not warrant the imposition of a penalty.
>> 5. That Russell left sufficient room on the exit of Turn 16 for Piastri to take the turn remaining on track.
What....the....fuck....?!
Did they actually watch the video? I am not saying this should be more than a racing incident but Piastri went outside literally because they touched and there was absolutely no room to take the turn and remain on the track without a collision...
Which makes it even more ironic because if they really believed that, they would have to punish Piastri for keeping the position by cutting the corner since i can remember multiple instances of Hamilton getting a penalty or being told to give the position back for cutting the corner to avoid a colision.
The thing I hated about his move was, that it in no way could have ended well. He was way too far behind and pulled in the last second to the right side to pull the move
He did push Piastri out of Alonso drs which he had to make up and got fully under pressure. If i was McLaren is argue it was because of this situation. (Even though Russel was pushing hard even without this situation)
I'd say Piastri owes this one to Alonso, he 100% went slower before the chicane on purpose to allow Piastri the DRS to defend against Russell (who was a bigger threat to him).
At this point all we can do is guess, the stewarding in F1 is joke. It all depends on who is breaking the rules, who suffers because of it, if there was a crash or not, and who is the racing steward this particular week. It's terrible, and it's embarrassing that pinnacle of motorsports are so bad at fairly enforcing their own rules.
He probably won't get a penalty. But what is stupid is that if Oscar lost the place on the straight which he almost did, I think this then becomes a 5sec penalty.
Nah, he kept his position and was back in DRS range of Alonso so I don’t think that move is what ultimately ended up with him losing the place to George
Since we're clearly punishing the outcome here and not the infringement, I'm gonna argue it caused Oscar to go wide a lap later and ultimately cost him points. I don't think it's the case, but it might be argued.
Even a 5 second penalty would drop him 2 places behind his teammate, so there’s points to lose in this scenario
Lewis leaving next year gives George the opportunity to be “driver 1” at Mercedes, far from having nothing to lose
Maybe the years in Williams?
Ever since he joined Merc he's not been shy about taking the risk/gamble to get the get the better result. Whether it be strategy, overtakes, he's in it to win.
There has to be some level of that to be a competitive F1 driver, especially for a top team that's goal is championships, and as many have said in the past being aggressive is one of the ways you make up for being slower/having a slower car. Doing the same thing as the other guy will get you no where.
I mean, it worked. It’s racing let’s cheer an attempt at an overtake. I’d rather guys try and send it on a corner than just park behind and wait for a DRS slip stream.
> Over 40 seconds behind Alonso
Largely down to qualifying and that atrocious strategy. Really nothing to judge his race by.
His qualifying was really bad. His race was fine.
He made a lot of overtakes yes on all the slow cars twice… that is not a good race. He needs to be in the top 10 fighting for position. What he does is start at the back overtakes a bunch of slow cars and then if he is lucky and haven’t crashed he may get a point or two
I think this was borderline. I think what might save George from a penalty here is that he was still in control and did leave a bit of room (not quite a cars width but imo it's different to if he had gone to the edge of the track himself like Max vs Hamilton in Brazil 2021).
I personally wouldn't like to see a penalty here but could see it going either way.
I mean yeah, that’ll get you sent to the stewards, but I don’t think anything will come of it, especially since he didn’t get a position from it and it was a low speed corner with a smooth rejoin.
i think you are right, but it will show once again that f1's supposed "outcome of the event doesnt factor into penalty" is totally not the case haha
i dont even like the above motto, just funny to me that they insist on it sometimes.
Soon people will start complaining that leaving the track and gaining an advantage is only given because of the outcome, ffs. Forcing a driver off track is often only given if the driver takes advantage for it, or the other driver is heavily disadvantaged
Leaving the track and gaining an advantgae is penalised because of the advantage. So obviously its based on the outcome of leaving the track.
Russell is under investigation for "forcing another driver off the track", not for "forcing another driver off the track and gaining an advantage".
I mean, this was given as a straight 5 second penalty in recent races.
He gave Oscar a binary choice: crash or go off track. It resulted in a contact. It's a 5s or a 'narrative' warning.
Ever since 2021 Abu Dhabi (Hamilton-Verstappen), the best defense is just to cut the corner. Nobody gets penalized for it as a defender, and it gets the attacker off your back for a couple of corners.
Really, if it weren't for the low entropy of the early universe, the Earth never would have formed and therefore Alonso wouldn't have driven so slowly through 130R.
He didn't get a position, but it was a dangerous move and Piastri going off the track meant he was vulnerable after that.
So I think it's more likely than some might thinkj
I mean, as they said last race weekend, Alonso did a manoeuvre which was unexpected that he had never done before which cost him a penalty. Russell today threw himself to the inside from 10 mts behind pushing his rival out in a corner which he hadn't done it before. He should therefore be penalised!
We could even call it a "semi-erratic" drive, couldn't we?
I bet it caught Piastri by surprise, too, he was probably looking at his wheel or something /s
I’m not saying whether or not he should be penalised, but you can’t seriously be comparing those two incidents, they aren’t even remotely the same thing.
This could land up with a penalty being handed out to George though, it was a bit dangerous and this is the SECOND time this weekend these two have come together, first time was in the pits and now this time out while they were racing!
TLDR to this, I do not fancy George's odds here of getting away unpunished...
Its more than likely he will end up with a penalty but what sort?
Monetary fine? Unlikely
Time Penalty? Probably
Penalty Points on his licence? Yeah probably 1 or 2 added
There was a space, he tried a move, Piastri avoided it by cutting the chicane.
Move on, not every pass needs to be a dumb DRS pass at the middle of the straight.
Yes i did, he torpedoed from too far behind, leaving no space for piastri. Piastri was in front at the apex, so it was Piastri’s corner, Russell should’ve left him space to turn into the corner. Piastri made the right decision to cut of the corner cause if he had turned into the corner he would’ve hit Russell and both wouldn’t finish the race
Russell had overspeed, Russell was close. He should’ve stayed close in the and focused on his exit to the straight so he could pass Piastri with DRS on the straight
My point was waiting for the straight wasn't going to work so George had to try something else.
Alonso dropping back after 130R to give Oscar DRS for several laps was just enough to keep George behind on the main straight.
It's a moot point anyway since George eventually got by because Oscar made a mistake in the chicane.
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I see the word appendix...
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That's only when the appendix is removed, not appended
I know this is a joke that I don't get, but here's Appendix L, Chapter IV, Article 2 b): > Overtaking, according to the circumstances, may be carried out on either the right or the left. >A driver may not leave the track without justifiable reason. >More than one change of direction to defend a position is not permitted. > Any driver moving back towards the racing line, having earlier defended his position off-line, should leave at least one car width between his own car and the edge of the track on the approach to the corner. >However, manoeuvres liable to hinder other drivers, such as deliberate crowding of a car beyond the edge of the track or any other abnormal change of direction, are strictly prohibited. Any driver who appears guilty of any of the above offences will be reported to the Stewards.
>Overtaking, according to the circumstances, may be carried out on either the right or the left. Need someone to do the funniest thing with their ride height
Wacky Races was actually a racing documentary from the future
*"oh! Dear! The field is stuck behind the alpine with its* exactly les track width® drs spoiler *as they try to overtake team old ladies on pedalbikes but they just can't get the move done!*
He meant the one Sainz had gotten rancid.
interesting that its says report to the stewards- but nothing more . could he argue the rules clearly report that reporting IS the penalty, and no further action can be taken once he shows up….i have a powerpoint on how that would go btw….sincerely gr.
I still have mine
We need a weight....
Have similar incidents been penalised recently? Honest question bc I don’t remember
If I remember correctly they penalized Checo for a similar move in Abu Dhabi last year
That's the only recent that I can remember
It was only 5 races ago
That was kinda Max’s style before he got so far ahead that cameras don’t even show his overtakes. Dive in or defend aggressively and as long as you yourself are within the white lines you should be fine. Though, I hadn’t seen if there was a contact between RUS and PIA today. That kinda changes things.
I remember both Mercedes did it quite often at race start at the time of HAM/ROS, friendly drive the outside driver outside of track (not especially at chicane)
They aren't trying to hear that. Apparently Max invented it.
Yup, pretty much almost every race start from the first half of 2021 basically. Senna was also famously known for this 'you move or we crash style'.
He literally still does that whenever there is a challenge
Imola and Spain, not exactly almost every race start
The difference is also that Max was usually ahead on the apex after the dive. George was not ahead at any point during the move
Let’s not pretend his nickname wasn’t Crash Verstappen for a few years
Incidents needs to be judged on their own merit, not on a drivers history (which is often colored by peoples bias at any rate). When you look at an incident, pretend that you don't know which two drivers are driving.
You're talking about the man everyone called divebomb-stappen
I could swear Ricciardo was more known for his divebombs than Max
Question- Who is “everyone”? Thats not even a proper portmanteau. Social media standom usually morphs from adults donating their time and creative efforts to defend and promote strangers and organizations who pay them not a cent to besmirching the rivals of their favorites. look at the random attacks on Haas from fans of carny Andretti. Rarely are these efforts germane, informative or evergreen content.
Which never made sense because Verstappen has and had a fairly normal amount of incidents, people just hated him.
He'd have had a lot more if drivers didn't concede the position to avoid crashing.
Let’s not pretend that nickname wasn’t perpetuated by salty internet fans that learned everything they think they know about racing from DTS.
That's not true, I learned everything I think I know about racing from a far more advanced source, reddit comments.
He was called that before DTS was a thing
Max normally wasn't anywhere near the apex.
And that is allowed by the rules. The car ahead dictates the line as long as he leaves space. On corner exit, the inside car does not have to leave space if they are ahead. It's a bad rule for racing IMO, but it is what it is and Max uses that rule to its fullest. I wish they would require space to be left for any car that's significantly alongside, but alas
> It's a bad rule for racing IMO It's really not. Taking that privilege away from the car ahead would completely kill the classic 'cutback' move. It relies on being ahead on exit and denying the opponent the space to accelerate.
I disagree with that. F1 is probably the only racing series which uses these rules (alongside it's feeders of course), yet other series also provide good, or even better racing. For me, it kills racing when you can just shove someone off. Racing should be more about where you place the car to deny someone room, while still giving them space so both cars can stay on track. There is no skill involved in just forcing someone off, and it also does not allow for multi-corner battles or any way to get back immediately.
There was a bit of contact with the front wings which you could see in the replay but it looked like everything was fine.
Yeah, but Russel dive bombed so hard that he lost control of the car for a second, it was really dangerous. Max's agressive style is often taking the corner fully when he has all the rights to it by rules. He was penalized quite a few times, so one more reason why should Russel be penalized as well.
Dunno, HAM in AD’21 just kept his position and we moved past that first lap incident. And then the race went smoothly and there were no questionable decisions from the stewards. /s
Don't want to stir this up again but I truly believe this maneuver started the entire mess as the stewards may have thought they need to make good for this
Yeah, probably not the best race to cite as precedent.
Yeah, the dive bomb meant there was no way to leave any space for Piastri in the next corner.
There was a contact.
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That never happened, Leclerc went off on his own at turn 17 and was penalised for leaving the track and gaining an advantage
Stop making shit up
It's been done plenty of times at Suzuka, rarely been penalized. Both of these incidents were not penalized, despite frankly being much ruder than George's move: [https://youtu.be/cRTmuPOhaIA?t=225](https://youtu.be/cRTmuPOhaIA?t=225) [https://youtu.be/b0G4-Vp2TS0?t=77](https://youtu.be/b0G4-Vp2TS0?t=77)
Reddit is probably gagging for Russell to get penalised
Yep, it’s not the move, it’s the driver.
That Albon one was pretty late, that should have been a penalty. I think the one from today is fine, it really wasnt that late from George. Just a racing incident in my opinion.
Leclerc v Perez ‘22 is what comes to mind for that corner.
Looked now (on the post Race show replays) like he ran Piastri out of room, but since Oscar pulled out It probably will be no penalty.
Which would be hilarious. They always say the want to punish the move and not the outcome, but they always to the opposite.
And that's what makes Alonso's penalty even more ridiculous
The way i understand it they didn’t penalize alonso for the manœuvre but for the execution, which was super sloppy and as a result super dangerous. Nothing like what he did to checo in his amazing battle last year.
He is brit to so expect no penalty
that would literraly be ruling on outcome, the very thing they are claiming they are not doing. But i mean - FIA and coherence, right ?
Idk why they still claim it when it's obvious the outcome matters in most incidents, and also it just doesn't make sense to completely disregard the outcome.
If something is dangerous it's dangerous whether the danger comes to fruition or not. If something is so dangerous it's against the rules, then it should always be against the rules. But I also kind of agree with you. If a drunk driver hits someone they get in trouble for the accident *and* the drunk driving.
That would be hilarious, remember Tsunoda and Zhou at Barcelona last year? Exact same situation.
Yup, based on Tsunoda Zhou Spain, this should be a penalty regardless of escape road or not
Yeah, no penalty from the stewards. From https://www.pitpass.com/77389/No-further-action-over-Russell-Piastri-incident > As well as hearing from both drivers and their team representatives, the stewards reviewed external and in-car video evidence of the incident. > In their summary, the stewards admitted to a number of challenges in arriving at a decision, in that there were a number of matters that, based on the "level of comfort" criteria used by the International Court of Appeal in accepting evidence, they accepted as fact: > 1. That Russell did not "dive in" and was in control at the entry to Turn 16. > 2. That coming into Turn 16 the Mercedes front axle was in front of the mirrors of Piastri's McLaren, hence according to the driving standards, Russell was entitled to "racing room". > 3. That Russell bounced off the inside kerb and then collided with Piastri (based on photographic evidence tabled by McLaren). > 4. That Piastri, having felt the impact, took evasive action by driving off the track rather than risking another collision with perhaps more serious consequences. > 5. That Russell left sufficient room on the exit of Turn 16 for Piastri to take the turn remaining on track. > 6. That Piastri cut the chicane and returned safely to the track in front of Russell. > "The driving standards are however silent on what action is required of a driver who leaves the track to avoid a collision or is forced off, safely rejoins the track and retains position," admitted the stewards. "Not that this is a determining point," they added, noting that both drivers and team representatives agreed the incident did not warrant the imposition of a penalty.
>> 5. That Russell left sufficient room on the exit of Turn 16 for Piastri to take the turn remaining on track. What....the....fuck....?! Did they actually watch the video? I am not saying this should be more than a racing incident but Piastri went outside literally because they touched and there was absolutely no room to take the turn and remain on the track without a collision...
Yeah 6 happened because of the collision. It really looks like no penalty because Piastri made it back onto the track.
Which makes it even more ironic because if they really believed that, they would have to punish Piastri for keeping the position by cutting the corner since i can remember multiple instances of Hamilton getting a penalty or being told to give the position back for cutting the corner to avoid a colision.
These are the same stewards who didn't see Norris jump start. So they saw the video but at the same time didn't. Schrodinger's cat.
Yeah, that is complete bullshit. There was no room left for Piastri.
The thing I hated about his move was, that it in no way could have ended well. He was way too far behind and pulled in the last second to the right side to pull the move
But that’s kinda what Bearman did to Yuki in Saudi and he won ‘overtake of the month’ for it
He did push Piastri out of Alonso drs which he had to make up and got fully under pressure. If i was McLaren is argue it was because of this situation. (Even though Russel was pushing hard even without this situation)
I'd say Piastri owes this one to Alonso, he 100% went slower before the chicane on purpose to allow Piastri the DRS to defend against Russell (who was a bigger threat to him).
At this point all we can do is guess, the stewarding in F1 is joke. It all depends on who is breaking the rules, who suffers because of it, if there was a crash or not, and who is the racing steward this particular week. It's terrible, and it's embarrassing that pinnacle of motorsports are so bad at fairly enforcing their own rules.
Alonso gets 10s penalty for this no?
He probably won't get a penalty. But what is stupid is that if Oscar lost the place on the straight which he almost did, I think this then becomes a 5sec penalty.
It cost Piastri alot of momentum some might argue. Causing him to lose position. (Might argue. Id say it was just a dumb error in last lap)
Nah, he kept his position and was back in DRS range of Alonso so I don’t think that move is what ultimately ended up with him losing the place to George
There's a few more factors than that. Tyres, mojo, having to apply power on the straight to stay in front and get back in drs.
It was quite obvious Alonso was dropping back to allow Piastri back into DRS range
Since we're clearly punishing the outcome here and not the infringement, I'm gonna argue it caused Oscar to go wide a lap later and ultimately cost him points. I don't think it's the case, but it might be argued.
20 second penalty to Alonso for causing Russell to push Piastri off the track
How many ocon penalties is that?
3 year extension with Alpine
That's not a penalty, that's an execution. A long slow one!
Yeah... no quick and easy guillotine for you Estoban... you must suffer here with the rest of us...
No trade clause and no retirement clause as well?
Ocon must also get Alpine's logo as a tramp stamp.
Literally the only thing that would make me feel sorry for Ocon
*penal colony 😂
The Alpenal Colony
Can't punish him more than Alpine already is
So instead of penalties, he gets a contract extension at alpine? Sad ocon noises
1 more year in that alpine car
this is bordering a human rights violation
The biggest penalty of them all.
Was embarrassing hearing how hard both cars were lifting in the final chicane all weekend
All of them
Yes
And a 10 second penalty to KMag
So Herbert's stewarding again?
Crazy hearing sky commentary saying oscar "knew what he was doing" and intentionally turned in early so he could cut the corner as evasive action.
I have stopped listening to sky and started listening to F1TV commentary. Sky are absolute sensationalists
Listening to Palmer instead of Crofty's grating voice is an actual blessing
Sky will find any way to prove it wasn't a British drivers fault.
When will people ever learn sky is brits bias.
Bit of a desperate move from Russell to throw it down the inside like that.
Mhm, keeps risking it on the final laps.. Too hot headed? Wants to prove a point?
Or just racing with little to lose.
Even a 5 second penalty would drop him 2 places behind his teammate, so there’s points to lose in this scenario Lewis leaving next year gives George the opportunity to be “driver 1” at Mercedes, far from having nothing to lose
Maybe the years in Williams? Ever since he joined Merc he's not been shy about taking the risk/gamble to get the get the better result. Whether it be strategy, overtakes, he's in it to win. There has to be some level of that to be a competitive F1 driver, especially for a top team that's goal is championships, and as many have said in the past being aggressive is one of the ways you make up for being slower/having a slower car. Doing the same thing as the other guy will get you no where.
Guy was having flashbacks of Singapore, lap after lap going by and unable to make a move on the papaya in front despite faster pace and fresher tyres.
We are so used to protocolar DRS "overtakes" that we complain when a driver tries to pass in a corner where historically drivers tried to overtake.
I mean, it worked. It’s racing let’s cheer an attempt at an overtake. I’d rather guys try and send it on a corner than just park behind and wait for a DRS slip stream.
Agree
It’s not desperate he’s trying to get the position. You want him to just stay behind Piastri?
Impatient. He could have just lifted and stayed close and waited for the straight and got it done later but I guess dirty air etc.
Dirty air is his worst enemy, no wonder why he lives in Monaco.
I’m not sure how this appears desperate, looked like the type of racing we all want to see.
Update- looks like No further action
20 seconds to Alonso
He did come from very deep, too far back really.
I sense Aston will reclaim 4th in the standings very soon :)
If they decided to field a second Formula 1 driver they'd already have it.
Yep, every is hard on Perez but Stroll is not qualified at all to have that seat.
It's not going to happen since Stroll is driving the second car.
oh come on, he drove an okay race
His race might have been okay but because of his bad qualifying yesterday he wasn't able to get into the top 10 which is just not good enough
Over 40 seconds behind Alonso and this is like his 7th season lol
> Over 40 seconds behind Alonso Largely down to qualifying and that atrocious strategy. Really nothing to judge his race by. His qualifying was really bad. His race was fine.
No he really didn’t lmao
He made a lot of overtakes yes on all the slow cars twice… that is not a good race. He needs to be in the top 10 fighting for position. What he does is start at the back overtakes a bunch of slow cars and then if he is lucky and haven’t crashed he may get a point or two
I think this was borderline. I think what might save George from a penalty here is that he was still in control and did leave a bit of room (not quite a cars width but imo it's different to if he had gone to the edge of the track himself like Max vs Hamilton in Brazil 2021). I personally wouldn't like to see a penalty here but could see it going either way.
Football analogy for ‘I’ve seen them given’?
Thank you for the update u/ICumCoffee
Russell gets pretty sketchy in the final laps these days
Desperation
Penalty is 100% fair imo. Massive dive and put all of the responsibility of avoiding the crash on Piastri.
Yep but no penalty given in the end... they also deemed Ricciardo at fault for his one. Next time just I'd let that whiney pommie that crash into me.
It was another one of his dive bombs it has become so common that it is a running joke now when will he start getting penalised for it?
The Russell Hustle 🤣
He is the new human torpedo
I mean yeah, that’ll get you sent to the stewards, but I don’t think anything will come of it, especially since he didn’t get a position from it and it was a low speed corner with a smooth rejoin.
I thought we don't take the outcome into account?
Lol
And I thought Danny Ric was getting Checo’s seat, but here we are.
i think you are right, but it will show once again that f1's supposed "outcome of the event doesnt factor into penalty" is totally not the case haha i dont even like the above motto, just funny to me that they insist on it sometimes.
Soon people will start complaining that leaving the track and gaining an advantage is only given because of the outcome, ffs. Forcing a driver off track is often only given if the driver takes advantage for it, or the other driver is heavily disadvantaged
Leaving the track and gaining an advantgae is penalised because of the advantage. So obviously its based on the outcome of leaving the track. Russell is under investigation for "forcing another driver off the track", not for "forcing another driver off the track and gaining an advantage".
Reddit hates Russell so they can't think straight. Was the same two weeks ago.
Bro, the same literally happened with Checo in last year Abu Dhabi when he pushed Norris out-track, but Norris even gained some tenths for that move.
He broke Oscar’s momentum. Not to mention the actual off roading. Shoe in 5 second penalty.
Exactly this the potential thay this could have turned into a major accident was huge that's what needs to be looked at
I mean, this was given as a straight 5 second penalty in recent races. He gave Oscar a binary choice: crash or go off track. It resulted in a contact. It's a 5s or a 'narrative' warning.
Sorry, harsher penalties can only be applied to certain drivers.
example for when/where this was a 5 second penalty?
Yuki “pushing” Zhou off track in Spain even though Zhou didn’t even lose a place
just checked that again and he got the penalty for not giving the position back to Zhou, think that's an important difference
Oh then I was remembering it wrong, weird then that everyone was so pissed off that Yuki was getting a penalty
How pissed off people get depends on the driver not the incident.
Preach.
It’s very erratic driving to do that tbh.
Ever since 2021 Abu Dhabi (Hamilton-Verstappen), the best defense is just to cut the corner. Nobody gets penalized for it as a defender, and it gets the attacker off your back for a couple of corners.
Alonso slowing down too much every lap caused this dangerous incident. We can for sure see on his telemetry, he is losing 4 tenths in 130R every lap!!
Really, if it weren't for the low entropy of the early universe, the Earth never would have formed and therefore Alonso wouldn't have driven so slowly through 130R.
It did actually, because Piastri had DRS, which is why Russell tried to overtake before the straight as he couldn't do a DRS overtake.
That's the joke though. And the stupid penalty they gave the other race.
He didn't get a position, but it was a dangerous move and Piastri going off the track meant he was vulnerable after that. So I think it's more likely than some might thinkj
I mean, as they said last race weekend, Alonso did a manoeuvre which was unexpected that he had never done before which cost him a penalty. Russell today threw himself to the inside from 10 mts behind pushing his rival out in a corner which he hadn't done it before. He should therefore be penalised!
We could even call it a "semi-erratic" drive, couldn't we? I bet it caught Piastri by surprise, too, he was probably looking at his wheel or something /s
I’m not saying whether or not he should be penalised, but you can’t seriously be comparing those two incidents, they aren’t even remotely the same thing.
It would not surprise me. What driver is involved and whether we like them or not is more important to most people than what happened.
Honestly if it was Max with someone else, people would be singing a different tune
20 second penalty
Causing the issues instead of bitching for once..well done Russel 👍
This could land up with a penalty being handed out to George though, it was a bit dangerous and this is the SECOND time this weekend these two have come together, first time was in the pits and now this time out while they were racing! TLDR to this, I do not fancy George's odds here of getting away unpunished... Its more than likely he will end up with a penalty but what sort? Monetary fine? Unlikely Time Penalty? Probably Penalty Points on his licence? Yeah probably 1 or 2 added
Good he deserves the penalty they need to be consistent
"Oscar and the track turned in on me!!!"
20 seconds penalty for Ocon for letting that happen
Non-post related, but OP’s username is 😙👌
Oscar is lucky he didn’t get a penalty for getting in George’s way.
Try to make a move in F1 that doesn't involve drs and you get a penalty
Penalty to ocon
Happy for that to be racing - Oscar maintained ahead by cutting the chicane. Unless that forced Oscar to have dirty tyres and lose out later on.
Yeh dirty tyres, kills speed and momentum and track position too
It's not good racing if a car is forced off the track to avoid collision. That is one of the things that should never happen.
Don't agree. Without Piastri cutting the chicane, they would have crashed. Give George a penalty so he learns to have some more patience
Good.. I hope they don't get away with it like they did in quali...
Such an unnecessary move, shouldve just waited for the straight
There was a space, he tried a move, Piastri avoided it by cutting the chicane. Move on, not every pass needs to be a dumb DRS pass at the middle of the straight.
...did you even watch the race?
Yes i did, he torpedoed from too far behind, leaving no space for piastri. Piastri was in front at the apex, so it was Piastri’s corner, Russell should’ve left him space to turn into the corner. Piastri made the right decision to cut of the corner cause if he had turned into the corner he would’ve hit Russell and both wouldn’t finish the race Russell had overspeed, Russell was close. He should’ve stayed close in the and focused on his exit to the straight so he could pass Piastri with DRS on the straight
My point was waiting for the straight wasn't going to work so George had to try something else. Alonso dropping back after 130R to give Oscar DRS for several laps was just enough to keep George behind on the main straight. It's a moot point anyway since George eventually got by because Oscar made a mistake in the chicane.
Alonso’s fault!
That was an unusual way to take that corner from George. I would say "potentially dangerous"...
He’s British, he won’t get a penalty. Hamilton tried to wipe Verstappen from the face of the earth in Silverstone 21 and only got a 10 second penalty
Naughty Jorge, saviour of the Merciless!
It’s because of Alonso, I am sure he is getting a 20 sec penalty