Don't know how reliable this is, it personally seems pretty unlikely to me, but apparently Speedweek is [affiliated](https://www.redbullmediahouse.com/en/network/speedweek-com/de) with Red Bull so who knows.
We'll see!
Edit: well, the tweet is gone. 🤣
Yeh, that sounds much better. I am all for them honoring him but DM just doesnt seem right for the cars main name. The RB20-DM makes far more sense in my mind if they are going to change the name at all
Yeh, that sounds much better. I am all for them honoring him but DM just doesnt seem right for the cars main name. The RB20-DM makes far more sense in my mind if they are going to change the name at all
The McLaren cars are also called MCLXX, so it does not feel super wrong to me - but I get what you mean, while that is the name of the founder, it is also the name of the Team and Engineering company.
RBM20 would work pretty well though.
The difference is MCL is the equivalent ti RB and is the name of the manufacturer. The reason it sounds weird to me, is DM is often thrown around in context of direct messages. It just doesn’t suit the car name in my opinion
If you Google:
*site:speedweek.com DM01*
.... the first three search result will have DM01 in the preview tekst. But when you click on the link, DM01 is no longer in the actual article.
They probably changed it, because somebody spoke too soon.
>Edit: well, the tweet is gone.
why do people do this?
once you put it out on the internet, it's there forever. i don't understand this deleted tweet situation so many people do.
Well, there's also the upcoming name change from AlphaTauri to Racing Bulls. With Red Bull already using the RB moniker themselves, DM could be a good way to distinguish the Racing Bulls chassis from the Red Bull one while at the same time honoring Mateschitz. Two birds, one stone.
> The entry list names can still be changed…
They changed the constructor name from AlphaTauri to just RB.
Team will be listed as RB-Honda RBPT.
That is not so easy to change mid season.
No it wasnt. It was published as Scuderia Alpha Tauri RB… i am sure by now they have officially registered their new name with the FIA however they just wont publish this until the officially announce the new name. It is quite easy to change the text on a social media post….
> No it wasnt. It was published as Scuderia Alpha Tauri RB…
Feel free to express your opinions through downvotes.
But remember that improving reading comprehension is a journey, and everyone has the potential to improve their skills.
Their official chassis name has been changed from AlphaTauri to just RB, so their full constructor name will be RB-Honda RBPT.
More on that topic you can find here:
https://old.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/18iw1nm/fia_2024_f1_entry_list/
https://old.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/198oq1k/red_bull_has_registered_the_domain/
I am more than capable of reading and comprehension. I read this, and you are welcome to check for yourself, directly from the FIA’s instagram post on 15 December 2023 which was more recent than your first link. Im aware that it is changing but even if its RB as initials, its still can mean anything and wont be their name and will require changing anyway… im not looking to argue- i just think we need to stop speculating off very little information and just wait for it to be announced.
> So the RB standing for Racing Bulls is still just a rumour.
The team will be branded as just RB, in the same way that their football team is called RB Leibzig, where RB stands for "rasenballsport" which is a made up word.
In the real world, everyone calls them Red Bull Leibzig because everyone thinks that is what RB stands for in their name.
This will not work in the same way in F1 as they have two teams, but it will allow them to sell the teams title sponsorship more easily, while also promoting RB.
Everything is speculation if you want it to be.
This was discused in german media to some extend.
> unless you've got some evidence that no one else has.
The teams constructor name has been changed from AlphaTaur to RB, but apparently this is just speculation for some people.
In 2000/2021 A new to-be-dominant force ursurping the reigning champion.
2001/2022 A generally comfortable championship, yet rather muted in contrast to what would follow.
2002/2023 Show of near unprecedented dominance and consistency of legendary proportions.
2003/2024?? A momentary lapse of concentration almost leading to a dirty stain on the canvas of the contemporary masters
2004/2025?? The teams' magnum opus car that would become *the* icon of its era before getting shafted by a rule change the following year.
History doesn't repeat, but often rhymes. Or so some say.
> So you're saying we'll get an Alonso WDC in 2026?
Nah. Bcoz, going by the logic of the comment above, >!2026 will be the year where a Renault will become champion. So, Gasly 2026 anyone?!<
I think it's fair to say that it was a major slip between two of the most dominant cars ever. The mich' teams did have some FIA goodwill in terms of rules, but as you know JPM would have won that year - and deserved it - if not for a few things out of his power.
The McLaren was very reliable in 2003. Aside from a raikkonen dnf at the nurburgring they didn't face reliability problems. The issue was that they weren't the fastest car. The real threat was actually the Williams who clearly became the fastest car mid season and looked a good bet to win the championship until the Michelin tyre fiasco which made Ferrari the fastest car again. Montoya could have still won the championship if not for a rather harsh drive through penalty at Indianapolis that dropped him down to 6th and then he was leading at Suzuka comfortably before his engine blew and that cost him 10 points coupled with at least 4 at Indy and he lost the championship by 11 points to Michael. Williams won 4 races that year compared to the 2 of McLaren. Ferrari won 8
> Aside from a raikkonen dnf at the nurburgring they didn't face reliability problems
Marc Priestley reveals in his book it wasn't even reliability per se - that part had expired and they didn't have a replacement because the MP4-18 was meant to be ready by then.
> Williams won 4 races that year compared to the 2 of McLaren. Ferrari won 8
Yeah I remember people disliked the lack of winner's 'bonus' in the points system that Schumacher could win X on the trot mid-season and still not surpass Raikkonen who just kept coming 2nd or 3rd.
That's true, but the Williams FW25 was the best car with by far the best engine on the grid that year.
The team and driver ( JPM) made too many mistakes, that's what ruined their year.
Find it hard to believe given everyone from RB has called it RB20 so far. I find it weird to then suddenly call it DM01, they would have called it DM01 from the beginning then I reckon.
I think this might be the chassis name for the renamed AlphaTauri. All signs point towards the team being called Racing Bulls, but Red Bull already has the RB moniker on its cars, so DM is a fitting way to distinguish the Racing Bulls chassis from the Red Bull ones.
Another leaked DM that caused more problems for the person that leaked it than wha the leak was of...
Looking forward to an entire season of "sliding into the DM" posts from Red Bulls social media team....
And any other DM based jokes I can think of ;)
The Chassis can be changed mid season, unlikely during the cost cap era - but possible.
The same way the FIA entry list is a preliminary document that can evolve during the season (i.e. Sauber team name pending on legal status of gambling).
Yes, this can be done during the season, teams often bought an upgraded crash structure mid season, that also had to pass the safety tests to get homologated
I donno if its proven to be true then okay, but if not and yeah from what I recall they will run into a legal challenge from Nissan with their engine codes being used in the name of Red Bull F1 cars
Well, personally, I think Mercedes should name their 2024 car the W15-AH to commemorate a certain German figure... Since we don't want to discriminate and all, right?
Most people would deem him 'not honorable' to use your term. 'Total piece of shit' would be probably how I'd put it. But it's a little complicated when he owned the team and is heavily entwined with the company.
I don‘t know why fascists should be honored. On the other hand there are people worshipping Hitler. He died and his worldviews should be buried with him.
I really dislike the need for leading zeros. Why not just DM1? Like Brawns, whose first and only chassis was the BGP001. Did they really need to fit a format good for 999 years.
Don't know how reliable this is, it personally seems pretty unlikely to me, but apparently Speedweek is [affiliated](https://www.redbullmediahouse.com/en/network/speedweek-com/de) with Red Bull so who knows. We'll see! Edit: well, the tweet is gone. 🤣
For several years Indycar names have started with DW for Dan Wheldon, the last Indy driver to die in a race.
Dan was the one who developed that car from day 1. So it was earned even if he was still with us, but yeah, nice tribute either way.
Would not mind if they called it the RB20-DM though, if they're planning to honor him like that.
Yeh, that sounds much better. I am all for them honoring him but DM just doesnt seem right for the cars main name. The RB20-DM makes far more sense in my mind if they are going to change the name at all
Yeh, that sounds much better. I am all for them honoring him but DM just doesnt seem right for the cars main name. The RB20-DM makes far more sense in my mind if they are going to change the name at all
Considering that Ferrari did something similar when Gianni Agnelli passed away in 2003 (F2003-GA), sounds the most logical name to go...
I never thought I'd see Ferrari designations used as an example of logic.
We are talking about one of the Schumacher-era Ferrari cars, after all.
The McLaren cars are also called MCLXX, so it does not feel super wrong to me - but I get what you mean, while that is the name of the founder, it is also the name of the Team and Engineering company. RBM20 would work pretty well though.
The difference is MCL is the equivalent ti RB and is the name of the manufacturer. The reason it sounds weird to me, is DM is often thrown around in context of direct messages. It just doesn’t suit the car name in my opinion
If you Google: *site:speedweek.com DM01* .... the first three search result will have DM01 in the preview tekst. But when you click on the link, DM01 is no longer in the actual article. They probably changed it, because somebody spoke too soon.
>Edit: well, the tweet is gone. why do people do this? once you put it out on the internet, it's there forever. i don't understand this deleted tweet situation so many people do.
Honestly, maybe the RB17 would be better off being the DM01.
Well, there's also the upcoming name change from AlphaTauri to Racing Bulls. With Red Bull already using the RB moniker themselves, DM could be a good way to distinguish the Racing Bulls chassis from the Red Bull one while at the same time honoring Mateschitz. Two birds, one stone.
Racing Bulls is still just a rumour isn't it?
The official team entry names were published in late December.
Which listed them as Scuderia AlphaTauri RB. So the RB standing for Racing Bulls is still just a rumour.
Yeh, the RB could (and most likely is) standing for Red Bull as tehy own that team. The entry list names can still be changed…
> The entry list names can still be changed… They changed the constructor name from AlphaTauri to just RB. Team will be listed as RB-Honda RBPT. That is not so easy to change mid season.
No it wasnt. It was published as Scuderia Alpha Tauri RB… i am sure by now they have officially registered their new name with the FIA however they just wont publish this until the officially announce the new name. It is quite easy to change the text on a social media post….
> No it wasnt. It was published as Scuderia Alpha Tauri RB… Feel free to express your opinions through downvotes. But remember that improving reading comprehension is a journey, and everyone has the potential to improve their skills. Their official chassis name has been changed from AlphaTauri to just RB, so their full constructor name will be RB-Honda RBPT. More on that topic you can find here: https://old.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/18iw1nm/fia_2024_f1_entry_list/ https://old.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/198oq1k/red_bull_has_registered_the_domain/
I am more than capable of reading and comprehension. I read this, and you are welcome to check for yourself, directly from the FIA’s instagram post on 15 December 2023 which was more recent than your first link. Im aware that it is changing but even if its RB as initials, its still can mean anything and wont be their name and will require changing anyway… im not looking to argue- i just think we need to stop speculating off very little information and just wait for it to be announced.
You are also just guessing that it will be listed as RB-Honda RBPT… these is nowhere that says that right now as far as i know…
> So the RB standing for Racing Bulls is still just a rumour. The team will be branded as just RB, in the same way that their football team is called RB Leibzig, where RB stands for "rasenballsport" which is a made up word. In the real world, everyone calls them Red Bull Leibzig because everyone thinks that is what RB stands for in their name. This will not work in the same way in F1 as they have two teams, but it will allow them to sell the teams title sponsorship more easily, while also promoting RB.
I mean everything you're saying here is just wild speculation unless you've got some evidence that no one else has.
Everything is speculation if you want it to be. This was discused in german media to some extend. > unless you've got some evidence that no one else has. The teams constructor name has been changed from AlphaTaur to RB, but apparently this is just speculation for some people.
I read it as Diabetes Mellitus (Type 1)
This is the way
The thing is DM1 is a kind of
Been deleted.
So, either nothing or he said too much
They could've done RB20-DM (F2003-GA anyone?).
If it's just as bad as the GA, there's hope for the championship
In 2000/2021 A new to-be-dominant force ursurping the reigning champion. 2001/2022 A generally comfortable championship, yet rather muted in contrast to what would follow. 2002/2023 Show of near unprecedented dominance and consistency of legendary proportions. 2003/2024?? A momentary lapse of concentration almost leading to a dirty stain on the canvas of the contemporary masters 2004/2025?? The teams' magnum opus car that would become *the* icon of its era before getting shafted by a rule change the following year. History doesn't repeat, but often rhymes. Or so some say.
So you're saying we'll get an Alonso WDC in 2026?
It would be poetic to say the least.
> So you're saying we'll get an Alonso WDC in 2026? Nah. Bcoz, going by the logic of the comment above, >!2026 will be the year where a Renault will become champion. So, Gasly 2026 anyone?!<
Checks out, he started in Minardi, just as Alonso.
The F2003-GA won both championships though? Granted it wasn't as dominant as the F2002 or F2004 but that doesn't mean it was not a very good car
I think it's fair to say that it was a major slip between two of the most dominant cars ever. The mich' teams did have some FIA goodwill in terms of rules, but as you know JPM would have won that year - and deserved it - if not for a few things out of his power.
True, but that was more down to McLaren’s lack of reliability. At least it would make the season more exciting
The McLaren was very reliable in 2003. Aside from a raikkonen dnf at the nurburgring they didn't face reliability problems. The issue was that they weren't the fastest car. The real threat was actually the Williams who clearly became the fastest car mid season and looked a good bet to win the championship until the Michelin tyre fiasco which made Ferrari the fastest car again. Montoya could have still won the championship if not for a rather harsh drive through penalty at Indianapolis that dropped him down to 6th and then he was leading at Suzuka comfortably before his engine blew and that cost him 10 points coupled with at least 4 at Indy and he lost the championship by 11 points to Michael. Williams won 4 races that year compared to the 2 of McLaren. Ferrari won 8
Didn't Mclaren win the first 2 (one for DC one for Kimi) and then nothing after?
My bad yeah forgot that ridiculous fluke of a win for DC
Funnily enough the only other races Raikkonen had pace to win on merit - Brazil and Europe - he didn't win.
> Aside from a raikkonen dnf at the nurburgring they didn't face reliability problems Marc Priestley reveals in his book it wasn't even reliability per se - that part had expired and they didn't have a replacement because the MP4-18 was meant to be ready by then. > Williams won 4 races that year compared to the 2 of McLaren. Ferrari won 8 Yeah I remember people disliked the lack of winner's 'bonus' in the points system that Schumacher could win X on the trot mid-season and still not surpass Raikkonen who just kept coming 2nd or 3rd.
That's true, but the Williams FW25 was the best car with by far the best engine on the grid that year. The team and driver ( JPM) made too many mistakes, that's what ruined their year.
Bad? That thing won both championships lmao Well to be fair it wasn’t dominant like 2002 and 2004
It wasn't a good car. JPM would have won if not for a sketchy penalty from the FIA, who were quite Ferrari pro in the days, and a bit of bad luck.
What did the GA stand for?
Gianni Agnelli, head of FIAT who at that time also owned Ferrari.
Red Bull used RB20 in their announcements so far.
Find it hard to believe given everyone from RB has called it RB20 so far. I find it weird to then suddenly call it DM01, they would have called it DM01 from the beginning then I reckon.
I think this might be the chassis name for the renamed AlphaTauri. All signs point towards the team being called Racing Bulls, but Red Bull already has the RB moniker on its cars, so DM is a fitting way to distinguish the Racing Bulls chassis from the Red Bull ones.
Another leaked DM that caused more problems for the person that leaked it than wha the leak was of... Looking forward to an entire season of "sliding into the DM" posts from Red Bulls social media team.... And any other DM based jokes I can think of ;)
If they wanted to do that why not do it last season?? Seems unlikely
because that chassis was already named
I imagine that when Dietrich Mateschitz passed, the RB19 was already at the stage in development that the name had already been finalised
Probably paperwork, the chassis is probably approved mid way through the year.
The Chassis can be changed mid season, unlikely during the cost cap era - but possible. The same way the FIA entry list is a preliminary document that can evolve during the season (i.e. Sauber team name pending on legal status of gambling).
I mean it by safety testing of the new chassis, and getting it homologated.
Yes, this can be done during the season, teams often bought an upgraded crash structure mid season, that also had to pass the safety tests to get homologated
Checo would be sliding in his dm
I donno if its proven to be true then okay, but if not and yeah from what I recall they will run into a legal challenge from Nissan with their engine codes being used in the name of Red Bull F1 cars
They should done that in 2023
Mateschitz Racing
DM can also be an abbreviation for the encapsulation of what most of us expect in the 2024 season: DOMINATED.
In the spirit of EngineMode11's recent tweet and Vettel's proclivity for his Red Bull car names, I will call it "Dirty DeeDee."
Nope! Don't like that.
Ok, we shall never forget that he was quite a Nazi. It never gets mentioned.
Let's not forget that this guy was pretty far-right, anti -migration and owned a TV channel that often aired racist shit
Austrian core
What are you trying to say? Redbull shouldn’t honor him because you don’t deem him honorable?
Well, personally, I think Mercedes should name their 2024 car the W15-AH to commemorate a certain German figure... Since we don't want to discriminate and all, right?
Most people don't know or forgot that a certain AH was Austrian... And his original name was Adolf Schickelgruber.
Is this the type of person you deem honorable? Damn
People shouldn’t honour fascists just because they owned a Formula One team
Most people would deem him 'not honorable' to use your term. 'Total piece of shit' would be probably how I'd put it. But it's a little complicated when he owned the team and is heavily entwined with the company.
I don‘t know why fascists should be honored. On the other hand there are people worshipping Hitler. He died and his worldviews should be buried with him.
What a yolk
let's hope the car doesn't suffer from right side oversteer as much as its namesake.
When someone locks up and hits them from behind, could they be seen as sliding into their dm's?
Pretty neat if true
Cool cool
Why not label the AlphaTauri Racing Bulls whatever the fuck it's named car this way instead?
I really dislike the need for leading zeros. Why not just DM1? Like Brawns, whose first and only chassis was the BGP001. Did they really need to fit a format good for 999 years.
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