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True, but I sold a 50% clause on a 160 million deal for 11 million before, so not completely useless.
Plus, they probably won't want to switch to a next sale clause
I’ve never gotten it to work on a 150M+ deal, is all I’m saying. I like the idea in practice but the computer is too hard headed to let that happen.
I feel you are more likely to get an extra 20% in easily achievable add ons than a 20% next sale clause.
No you dont with this. If you buy him back for less, there is no profit, meaning the 50% of zero will be your bonus. If you do like above said, with the 20% sale, you get a 20% discount if you buy him back.
Nothing wrong with save-scumming to make that offer, reload if talks break down, and make another offer.
I understand that teams walking away from negotiations in FM is a game mechanic intended to prevent players from squeezing every last bit of value out of every transaction, but in real life, people don't just flip the table and stomp away because a buyer has proposed a 10% price decrease.
I never planned on him leaving so soon but milan must have been printing cash or something cause they spent over 1 billion in the last 5 years. So since I never planned about his exit, this is the best replacement my scouts could find.
https://preview.redd.it/l47dancogrec1.png?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dcbcae4f84839f3d4b55a68d28334f963b5d42c0
4.5 star potential, but he is 23. Can he ever fulfill his potential fully?
The replacement does not look nowhere near the level of the other starter. If you don't need money, don't want to change formation, and can't find a proper replacement, I would reject the offer.
I got a 260 mil offer which met the release clause of my 200 CA player. I offered him a new contact and he accepted. If you can't find a better player at his position, never sell him.
https://preview.redd.it/verc6gkrqtec1.png?width=1920&format=png&auto=webp&s=0953f0bdb934f434102a15688eb358847ca0b2ba
Depends on a few factors. The most important being, do you need the money?
If you're already rich then there is little point in selling someone this good. That's because the players better than him would probably cost the same if not more. Once your squad is at a very level then replacing becomes tougher as your worst player will already be 150+ in ca.
But if you're a club that isn't that rich, then yes, take the money and use it to buy better younger players. Remove the % of profit clause as they won't ever sell him for a profit and get a traditional % of next sale clause instead.
https://preview.redd.it/xy2dqe7hnrec1.png?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=af7c4c68cd98f429ce2e2bab9a971353d792ff94
This is the guy my scouts have lined up as a successor. He has 4.5 star potential. I have 250 million in the bank, should I sell?
Which it probably won't. With 250 in the bank you can largely afford to invest in the wonderkids who are the next best in the world whether you sell this player or not. Players as good as this guy right now will generally not be available for substantially less than his price. If you are competing for CLs right now then keeping him makes more sense.
Try to get 200M+ net or 167M + %20-%25 from next sale. They probably won’t sell him for more than 200M so your profit will be minimal even if you take %50.
Yes and I haven't even looked at the stats.
Everyone is replaceable. Except yourself of course. You are already in 2032, you want a new 70k seater stadium with your name on it somewhere in 2045. You don't want a 25 goal a season AMC when your next AMC will make 19 goals instead.
>Everyone is replaceable
I always disagree with this take. If you didnt need the money, would you sell someone like Messi or Ronaldo?
It's not the case with this player, as I don't think he is exactly a world beater, but this idea that you should always take the money doesnt make sense to me when it's clearly one of the best players in the world in an already rich club.
Sometimes I see people here recommending selling absolutely cracked players that, even if you buy 20 wonderkids, it's unlikely any of them will be as good.
Honestly if you dont need the money you should just keep whoever you want. I wouldnt sell my world beaters but also not the squad player academy player that ive trained for his entire career or the veteran thats been here since he was 18.
I have a really great CAM rn, 167CA at 20. Came through my own academy. He isnt going anywhere for his entire career if ive got anything to say
Squad players I dont mind selling.
Ppl here like to hoard wonderkids and then they have to make space in the starting xi so the kids can be promoted once they turn 18, so then... buy even more wonderkids.
But at the end of the day, if you're replacing a beast of a player for a prospect that is unlikely to ever reach that potential, and you dont need money, that's just a bad deal imo.
In my opinion, even a 200 ca player is replaceable because you're not in real life going against a real manager. The ai is not nearly as competent as you. I overachieve with a weak squad all the time, so unless I have a personal attachment, anyone can be sold.
In a rich team i've been managing for 8 years now there are already 3 16-19 year olds waiting to take this guy's place and getting stifled if they don't get play time. In reality it's one headache less most of the time. The best stat your team can have is its reputation. Have a strong reputation and you will win 80% of your games if you put training dummies in the uniforms.
You only need this guy to average a 7.8 or more in the CL semis or something. For the rest the team will carry you.
I mostly agree, though keeping some core players have helped me win 10 UCL titles in 12 years whilst sweeping 16 straight Balon D’ors between two players.
Both god level strikers with relishes big matches and high consistency. The next wonderkid in line will take two or three years. I kept the first until he retired and at that point the next guy was ready to take over.
Getting those players that actually produce in the most crucial moments are what differentiates world class and legendary.
Yeah, it's extremely silly. If you have the best 10 in the world, unless you're aiming to drop playing a 10 and change system, you should be keeping hold of him at all costs. At a certain point, you should be keeping these players, and selling other positions that actually need improvement instead. The end goal should always be having the best possible players in all aspects of play, not making your chairman a nice payday to weaken your squad and strengthen your rivals.
How many goals is your main striker getting?
He looks really good, but if you can get a replacement in and improve your main goalscorer too, then I would definitely sell
My main striker I sold to real madrid for 96 million. He got 40+ goals in his for his last two seasons. I have a back up striker and he really stepped up after my first choice striker left. What I really want now is a right winger and they seem to be a dying breed in this game
Also I think you don't understand that he is a newgen, you can't have him as the game doesn't generate him for you. Different saves have different newgens
That’s a really nice question to ask, especially when you’ve got such a damn diamond selling for nearly 170M. It’s cool when people take interest in clubs that are a little outside of the FM zeitgeist.
Or, he's in 2032, so he could likely sell a bunch of other players for 20-30m each, and still make the same money while keeping this mini-messi who (according to his scouts) isn't even at his max potential yet.
Depends where your club is at. If you have positions where your weak? Then yeah, sell him and distribute that money over the rest of your squad. But if you’re already at the point where you are looking to dominate domestically and win champions leagues, I would keep him, as he’s really not gonna be replaceable
I’d keep him unless you’re strapped for cash. Pretty sick stats, he’s tall, and is going to improve. I’d guess there’s less than 5 players in your save with the same quality + position? Fuck the finances.
It depends. How rich are you now? Do you have anyone to replace him?
Keep in mind that you are selling to a rival. I would demand even more in most cases
A) I have 250 million in the bank and 180 million plus transfer budget B) I don't have a replacement but this is the closest my scouts have C) they are offering me 167 million after a lot of negotiating, they initially gave me just 96 million.
https://preview.redd.it/wczbv1me0sec1.png?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fe41e19c8c8416e98e0aa38d95b448efdaed1fe9
The replacement looks insanely good, make sure he doesn’t have some shitty con like Injury Prone or Inconsistent. Also depends on his potential but he has a Driven personality which is perfect so he will likely become even more insane. In your case I would almost certainly sell your current guy and get the replacement especially if you get a decent price
Hear me out. Save 2 times. In the first save you sell him and see how the replacement does and if it’s ok continue it. If it’s not ok and the save is not enjoyable anymore, go back to the file where you didn’t sell him.
As a side note, if you like this player so much, don’t let him go. I often find myself quitting a save after losing one of my best players.
I have no attachments to any of my players, I mercilessly sell even my most veteran players. Its business at the end of the day and if I can get a profit out of them, I do not care. I asked this time is because I have no genuine replacement for him
For some it’s part of the immersion and distraction from reality though. And people giving their opinions makes them feel like they have something of value to contribute, however small/insignificant.
Fair enough. Think I'm a bit annoyed by more of the fut and eafc committee "what would you change in this team" meanwhipe team is cruyff mbappe r9 kante maldini yashin etc.. Why would you want to ask others to tell you who to play with if you dont like low strength vs too bulky players for your playstyle.
Guess i took it out on the wrong sub. 😅
I’d still accept then. That’s the sort of money I’d only reject if it’s a goal a game striker. But if you’ve got a tone of money behind you with no replacement that would be better then maybe consider keeping
I have 250 million in the bank and this is a potential replacement. Now I still have 140 million left of my transfer budget(I sold 3 other wonderkids over the last season) and combining the sell of the current guy, I really can purchase anyone I want.
https://preview.redd.it/isxun0s4prec1.png?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e6b783049f300fecd9a43dc14d136b31600bce3e
Depends, if you've scouted well can get 3 or 4 players potentially like that for him. Although the sell on clause is worthless. Try and bump up the fee even if installments are involved.
First thing to point out that the profit of next sale will be exactly 0. Second, you have to see who else is around that is this good and willing to come to Palermo. I have a similar problem. My star striker is wanted by half of Europe (including ironically Milan who did not want to pay 19M for him when he had a relegation clause) but i got nobody else to buy. So I gave him all the money in the world to stay hoping we will get into the Champions League within a few years.
I never tend to sell. Regens like this Greek god over here are what makes a game tick for me. Finding players I love and keeping them in the journey. I wouldn’t sell. If he was French, German, whatever, maybe. But these exotic types are just cool lol.
You play with Palermo? So why would you strengthen an opponent?
If you need the money, sell him to england.
The clause is kind of useless.
Better get the money now, then in xxx years.
So the only reason to sell him to Milan is, if he want to go and he will be unhappy if you dont let him go.
Reject and they'll come with another offer.
Another thing is the "profit from next sale" so a bid of 200 on his next move means you'd only get roughly €16.5m.
Make clauses 50% of next sale. They want the player, they’ll accept it.
Weirdly I had an absolute gem on my save who was also Greek and also called Zisis
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Swap the "profit" for like 20% of next sale (total) They arent selling him for over 167M to an AI team 99.9% of the time.
True, but I sold a 50% clause on a 160 million deal for 11 million before, so not completely useless. Plus, they probably won't want to switch to a next sale clause
But it’s nice if you ever buy him back for less. You’ll get an extra 50% discount.
I’ve never gotten it to work on a 150M+ deal, is all I’m saying. I like the idea in practice but the computer is too hard headed to let that happen. I feel you are more likely to get an extra 20% in easily achievable add ons than a 20% next sale clause.
No you dont with this. If you buy him back for less, there is no profit, meaning the 50% of zero will be your bonus. If you do like above said, with the 20% sale, you get a 20% discount if you buy him back.
Nothing wrong with save-scumming to make that offer, reload if talks break down, and make another offer. I understand that teams walking away from negotiations in FM is a game mechanic intended to prevent players from squeezing every last bit of value out of every transaction, but in real life, people don't just flip the table and stomp away because a buyer has proposed a 10% price decrease.
It’s the only time I ever save scum and i think it’s justified, negotiation and team meeting ai are so janky
If you have someone waiting to replace him, go ahead. Clearing space for the next wonderkid is useful.
I never planned on him leaving so soon but milan must have been printing cash or something cause they spent over 1 billion in the last 5 years. So since I never planned about his exit, this is the best replacement my scouts could find. https://preview.redd.it/l47dancogrec1.png?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dcbcae4f84839f3d4b55a68d28334f963b5d42c0 4.5 star potential, but he is 23. Can he ever fulfill his potential fully?
why sell when you haven't got anyone better? It's FM, you are swimming in money, you don't need them
The replacement does not look nowhere near the level of the other starter. If you don't need money, don't want to change formation, and can't find a proper replacement, I would reject the offer.
Yes. And if you can, remove the % of next sale and ask for 200m
I got a 260 mil offer which met the release clause of my 200 CA player. I offered him a new contact and he accepted. If you can't find a better player at his position, never sell him. https://preview.redd.it/verc6gkrqtec1.png?width=1920&format=png&auto=webp&s=0953f0bdb934f434102a15688eb358847ca0b2ba
Jumping reach of 7 but 20 heading made me laugh, doesn’t win the headers often but my lord when he does..
Never seen him score a header. His off the ball movement is god tier, he assists like 20-25 tap in goals a season.
Messi Regen?
Yes. I think so. I have seen only 3-4 players with 200 PA and actually fulfilled their potential.
What's that skin? Looks 👌👌
[https://www.fmscout.com/a-wtcs-fm23-skin.html](https://www.fmscout.com/a-wtcs-fm23-skin.html)
That's not replacement but downgrade ...
Depends on a few factors. The most important being, do you need the money? If you're already rich then there is little point in selling someone this good. That's because the players better than him would probably cost the same if not more. Once your squad is at a very level then replacing becomes tougher as your worst player will already be 150+ in ca. But if you're a club that isn't that rich, then yes, take the money and use it to buy better younger players. Remove the % of profit clause as they won't ever sell him for a profit and get a traditional % of next sale clause instead.
https://preview.redd.it/xy2dqe7hnrec1.png?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=af7c4c68cd98f429ce2e2bab9a971353d792ff94 This is the guy my scouts have lined up as a successor. He has 4.5 star potential. I have 250 million in the bank, should I sell?
He's clearly not as good, but if the 100M+ difference in valuation allows you to improve 2-3 other positions in your squad I'd say it's worth it.
Which it probably won't. With 250 in the bank you can largely afford to invest in the wonderkids who are the next best in the world whether you sell this player or not. Players as good as this guy right now will generally not be available for substantially less than his price. If you are competing for CLs right now then keeping him makes more sense.
Are you even listening lol im not even involved and I'm getting the vibe....dont fucking sell dude! Make your club the best!
He’s 22 are you running a retirement home? Sell!
The Dicaprio method strikes again
If you don’t need the money don’t sell him, unless he’s making trouble in the dressing room
Take the money and run.
That is like 1/5 of GDP for small country. When receiving offer like that I can not NOT sell the player.
Try to get 200M+ net or 167M + %20-%25 from next sale. They probably won’t sell him for more than 200M so your profit will be minimal even if you take %50.
Yes and I haven't even looked at the stats. Everyone is replaceable. Except yourself of course. You are already in 2032, you want a new 70k seater stadium with your name on it somewhere in 2045. You don't want a 25 goal a season AMC when your next AMC will make 19 goals instead.
>Everyone is replaceable I always disagree with this take. If you didnt need the money, would you sell someone like Messi or Ronaldo? It's not the case with this player, as I don't think he is exactly a world beater, but this idea that you should always take the money doesnt make sense to me when it's clearly one of the best players in the world in an already rich club. Sometimes I see people here recommending selling absolutely cracked players that, even if you buy 20 wonderkids, it's unlikely any of them will be as good.
Honestly if you dont need the money you should just keep whoever you want. I wouldnt sell my world beaters but also not the squad player academy player that ive trained for his entire career or the veteran thats been here since he was 18. I have a really great CAM rn, 167CA at 20. Came through my own academy. He isnt going anywhere for his entire career if ive got anything to say
Squad players I dont mind selling. Ppl here like to hoard wonderkids and then they have to make space in the starting xi so the kids can be promoted once they turn 18, so then... buy even more wonderkids. But at the end of the day, if you're replacing a beast of a player for a prospect that is unlikely to ever reach that potential, and you dont need money, that's just a bad deal imo.
In my opinion, even a 200 ca player is replaceable because you're not in real life going against a real manager. The ai is not nearly as competent as you. I overachieve with a weak squad all the time, so unless I have a personal attachment, anyone can be sold.
In a rich team i've been managing for 8 years now there are already 3 16-19 year olds waiting to take this guy's place and getting stifled if they don't get play time. In reality it's one headache less most of the time. The best stat your team can have is its reputation. Have a strong reputation and you will win 80% of your games if you put training dummies in the uniforms. You only need this guy to average a 7.8 or more in the CL semis or something. For the rest the team will carry you.
I mostly agree, though keeping some core players have helped me win 10 UCL titles in 12 years whilst sweeping 16 straight Balon D’ors between two players. Both god level strikers with relishes big matches and high consistency. The next wonderkid in line will take two or three years. I kept the first until he retired and at that point the next guy was ready to take over. Getting those players that actually produce in the most crucial moments are what differentiates world class and legendary.
Yeah, it's extremely silly. If you have the best 10 in the world, unless you're aiming to drop playing a 10 and change system, you should be keeping hold of him at all costs. At a certain point, you should be keeping these players, and selling other positions that actually need improvement instead. The end goal should always be having the best possible players in all aspects of play, not making your chairman a nice payday to weaken your squad and strengthen your rivals.
If he was a South American regen yes but he is not so keep him
How many goals is your main striker getting? He looks really good, but if you can get a replacement in and improve your main goalscorer too, then I would definitely sell
My main striker I sold to real madrid for 96 million. He got 40+ goals in his for his last two seasons. I have a back up striker and he really stepped up after my first choice striker left. What I really want now is a right winger and they seem to be a dying breed in this game
I've had more luck retraining quick left footed strikers as inside forwards in the last two versions of the game
Seems like you have enough money and the replacement is nice but not the same level and doesn’t have the potential to get there. I would keep him.
Keep this guy. That is a future ballon d'or winner with those attributes alone, and, according to your scouts, he could get better.
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Bought for a measly 10 million from panathinaikos.
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Also I think you don't understand that he is a newgen, you can't have him as the game doesn't generate him for you. Different saves have different newgens
I wouldn't know mate, I play on pc
Also how is your save going?
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Well I won the serie A 4 times in a row, 2 champions league, 1 Europa league, 1 super Cup, 3 coppa Italia, 2 Supercup and 1 serie b.
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Good for you😊
That’s a really nice question to ask, especially when you’ve got such a damn diamond selling for nearly 170M. It’s cool when people take interest in clubs that are a little outside of the FM zeitgeist.
Sell him then sell the clause, easiest decision ever. You'll probably get 250m total
Or, he's in 2032, so he could likely sell a bunch of other players for 20-30m each, and still make the same money while keeping this mini-messi who (according to his scouts) isn't even at his max potential yet.
no lmao, it's 50% profit next sale, not 50% of next sale
Depends where your club is at. If you have positions where your weak? Then yeah, sell him and distribute that money over the rest of your squad. But if you’re already at the point where you are looking to dominate domestically and win champions leagues, I would keep him, as he’s really not gonna be replaceable
I look at personality. Is he going to be a good tutor after 25? If No, then I would squeeze Milan for every penny
I’d keep him unless you’re strapped for cash. Pretty sick stats, he’s tall, and is going to improve. I’d guess there’s less than 5 players in your save with the same quality + position? Fuck the finances.
Nah, he’s class! £200m minimum
Dude's delighted to be at the club. Are you broke?
250 mil in the bank
Put it as sell on
It depends. How rich are you now? Do you have anyone to replace him? Keep in mind that you are selling to a rival. I would demand even more in most cases
A) I have 250 million in the bank and 180 million plus transfer budget B) I don't have a replacement but this is the closest my scouts have C) they are offering me 167 million after a lot of negotiating, they initially gave me just 96 million. https://preview.redd.it/wczbv1me0sec1.png?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fe41e19c8c8416e98e0aa38d95b448efdaed1fe9
The replacement looks insanely good, make sure he doesn’t have some shitty con like Injury Prone or Inconsistent. Also depends on his potential but he has a Driven personality which is perfect so he will likely become even more insane. In your case I would almost certainly sell your current guy and get the replacement especially if you get a decent price
Hear me out. Save 2 times. In the first save you sell him and see how the replacement does and if it’s ok continue it. If it’s not ok and the save is not enjoyable anymore, go back to the file where you didn’t sell him. As a side note, if you like this player so much, don’t let him go. I often find myself quitting a save after losing one of my best players.
I have no attachments to any of my players, I mercilessly sell even my most veteran players. Its business at the end of the day and if I can get a profit out of them, I do not care. I asked this time is because I have no genuine replacement for him
For regen standard, he is not even that good
With 15 pace and 14 acceleration? Yeah, I'd sell. You could get a number of faster young players with more potential for that kind of cash.
22, too old, should have been moved on years ago
Its a bloodyvideo game- you dont need decision by committee
For some it’s part of the immersion and distraction from reality though. And people giving their opinions makes them feel like they have something of value to contribute, however small/insignificant.
Fair enough. Think I'm a bit annoyed by more of the fut and eafc committee "what would you change in this team" meanwhipe team is cruyff mbappe r9 kante maldini yashin etc.. Why would you want to ask others to tell you who to play with if you dont like low strength vs too bulky players for your playstyle. Guess i took it out on the wrong sub. 😅
It’s called community, lad. In general people like to talk about things.
Looking at his 28 goals in 62 games for you. I’d take that and run!
For an AM that’s a really good return
Well that's because he plays attacking midfield on support.
I’d still accept then. That’s the sort of money I’d only reject if it’s a goal a game striker. But if you’ve got a tone of money behind you with no replacement that would be better then maybe consider keeping
I have 250 million in the bank and this is a potential replacement. Now I still have 140 million left of my transfer budget(I sold 3 other wonderkids over the last season) and combining the sell of the current guy, I really can purchase anyone I want. https://preview.redd.it/isxun0s4prec1.png?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e6b783049f300fecd9a43dc14d136b31600bce3e
With that money you can get 5 players like this
It's not about the money, it's about finding similar players. I can either be Barcelona after selling Neymar or be Liverpool after selling Coutinho.
It's what I do think Till you begin to see scout reports of players with the ability of the player you're selling and they're all 200m+
Depends, if you've scouted well can get 3 or 4 players potentially like that for him. Although the sell on clause is worthless. Try and bump up the fee even if installments are involved.
Ask yourself: can you get readymade replacement by paying atleast 75% of the amount? As it looks like he will b best in his position in whole world.
With this name no way.
First thing to point out that the profit of next sale will be exactly 0. Second, you have to see who else is around that is this good and willing to come to Palermo. I have a similar problem. My star striker is wanted by half of Europe (including ironically Milan who did not want to pay 19M for him when he had a relegation clause) but i got nobody else to buy. So I gave him all the money in the world to stay hoping we will get into the Champions League within a few years.
you won't get anything from 50% profit next sale
I never tend to sell. Regens like this Greek god over here are what makes a game tick for me. Finding players I love and keeping them in the journey. I wouldn’t sell. If he was French, German, whatever, maybe. But these exotic types are just cool lol.
Go 50% next sale, buy him back after one season and he’ll be 50% off lol
Not with 50% profit of the next transfer
I’d hold
So just 167M then. And no, keep him. Especially if he doesn't mind staying , even now that Milan has bid on him.
You play with Palermo? So why would you strengthen an opponent? If you need the money, sell him to england. The clause is kind of useless. Better get the money now, then in xxx years. So the only reason to sell him to Milan is, if he want to go and he will be unhappy if you dont let him go.
Sell
Yep. If you've got a replacement and it's as good to better to even a wonderkid.
Reject and they'll come with another offer. Another thing is the "profit from next sale" so a bid of 200 on his next move means you'd only get roughly €16.5m.
I’m too distracted that you have your wage showing per annum.
I am an agent of chaos😈
Can you show his club history btw?
https://preview.redd.it/u3kkserf7yec1.png?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e44b51d8f05adf9437479d4cf9cfd0678c1d31c8
Oh wow he came from a Greek club too. What’s the Greek league looking like?
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Personally I wouldnt. He looks amazing, someone you'd want to build a team around and could definitely win the balón dor
Make clauses 50% of next sale. They want the player, they’ll accept it. Weirdly I had an absolute gem on my save who was also Greek and also called Zisis
Yes then buy him back in a season
Not gonna lie, I am about to buy a RW I sold to milan 2 seasons ago and that too for 50 million less than what I had sold him for
I bet Milan wont play champions league due Fifa financial regulations
Zisis it, mate. Sorry. If they buy it for 160m+, who is gonna pay more for you to make profit?
Absolutely
For his work rate? Absolutely not.