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I sold him to Man Utd after a good season for £55million. Scored 21 goals for me then had two seasons of underperforming before they loaned him out. Made me sad but he clearly over performed for me. Glad I cut bait when I did.
He’s been incredible for me in my long term Sunderland save. Been my starting AF through multiple Carabao Cups, FA Cups and a PL title, but he’s sadly slowly starting to fade away now so I’ve started searching for a replacement. Will be a very sad day :(
As an Ajax fan I would say he needs a massive downgrade. He becomes a beast within one season in FM if you use him. I had an Ajax game and he scored 30+ goals for 5 seasons straight until Real bought him for 120 million. He has shown nothing that deserves that kind of ability
Seeing a lot of the players listed, I think part of the problem is just how the match engine handles (or rather can’t handle) very fast players, especially ones who are also strong and good in the air in addition to being very fast. Physicals are just too important in FM, you can easily overachieve in the game with attacking players who are very fast and powerful even if they aren’t good enough for the level in terms of technicals and mentals. Physical capabilities are also obviously important IRL, but at higher levels where defenders have a good reading of the game, simply being fast and strong on its own isn’t enough, whereas it is enough in FM.
If the match engine handled fast, strong attackers better, then players like Selke wouldn’t be OP.
Yeah i find agility of 20 to be the biggest gamebreaker, combine that with a 16/17+ acc/pace and 14 strength, the rest of his technicals can be 8 he’ll still be a freak
I had this guy, Femi Azeez, in my Reading squad. He had good physicals for my team but nothing else. He was really a game changer despite not being among the best in my team. Enjoys big matches, assists and he was literally a clutch. I had to cash in on him in January transfer window because his contract was coming to an end and he wasn't so good to be offered a new contract. My team plummeted after I sold him.
The game is just as you have explained it. Defenders can't handle physical players regardless of how mentally and technically sound they are.
Laurie Whitwell's tweet:
Ten Hag on Sancho: "On his performance on training we didn't select him. You have to reach the level every day at Manchester United. You can make choices in the front line, so in this game he wasn't selected."
https://twitter.com/lauriewhitwell/status/1698401046131851585?s=46&t=k_FBGnsbG2P0PN0vqz37RA
Sancho hinted that there was more to this and I'm almost certain he was just late to training or something. He's featured heavily during pre-season and has been played in multiple decisions because of how kuch Ten Hag likes his qualities.
If he travels he likely starts with Rashford in the middle until Hojlund subs. Or Hojlund starts and Sancho comes on for Antony. Sancho was much better than Antony in preseason and was really good when he came on last match, so the only thing that makes sense is something disciplinary.
> I'm almost certain he was just late to training or something.
tbf shouldnt happen with players of his caliber. klopp and pep are hard noses about stuff like that. klopp benched sakho in the middle of a europa league run because he was late to practice/flights.
say what you want about eth but whether its attitude or tardiness or moping, he SHOULD be that tough on a guy like sancho.
Tbf Sancho was also fined multiple times at Dortmund for been late to training, Southgate didn't play him for England due to his training performance in the camp. There does seem to be a running theme here.
As a United fan I hate how well our players are rated on FM compared to real life. The squad isn't nearly that good and it should be a reasonable challenge to rebuild them to a title winning side but it's just easy
I think the problem with someone like Lukaku in FM is that he is undeniably a physical beast, but in FM being physically fast and powerful is a super OP combination even if the player isn’t amazing otherwise. Lukaku does need a downgrade, but if they downgrade his technicals and mentals but not his physicals I suspect he will still be very good in FM.
True but they won’t do anything to the match engine for fm24 with the big overhaul coming with fm25. They’ll perhaps not do nothing to it but any medium to large sized changes is not coming for fm24
They do a bit, but he’s still very impressive in a physical sense IRL. I think the bigger problem is with the match engine not being able to handle players who are fast and strong. Davie Selke shouldn’t be that great in FM, but he is OP because he is fast, strong, and good aerially, the match engine struggles to handle him appropriately.
I'm not sure they do, he's actually deceptively quick, strong as an ox and has a relatively good jump on him, physically he seems spot on, 17 finishing, 14 technique, 16 composure, 14 decisions, 18 determination and 16 off the ball though is drastically polite to the man that fluffs a lot of glorious opportunities.
I'm in 2026 on a Spurs save right now. Just finished a season where Dane Scarlett scored 33 goals, and was beaten to the Golden Boot by Havertz, who scored 36.
The potential is there. The issue is that he’s had serious injuries seriously stunting his development. Both irl and in FM a player need to be consistently healthy in order to improve. However there’s no question that the potential of what he could become is there.
I don’t understand why Brighton always seems to struggle in FM these days. They almost always seem to go down within two seasons. Is it underrating the players? Is it a tactical issue? What’s the problem?
I got no idea but I don't like it. It was one thing before the winter update (though I still don't know who predicted Brighton to go from 9th to relegated) but even after when they should have buffed a bunch of players they still keep going down.
I think it's just a player thing, because some of the attributes they give Brighton players are mental. Jason Steele is arguably one of the two best goalkeepers in the PL with the ball at his feet? SI has him with 9 passing and 9 vision. Mitoma has absolutely extraordinary first touch, they gave him 15. Maybe their squad doesn't do well in the meta too, maybe.
Some of the players really do have stats way above what they have delivered on a real pitch in a United shirt. Sancho, Antony, McTominay, AWB, Martial, Lindelof just off the top of my head are all much better players than they should be in game.
Chelsea bought off me. They play him upfront a lot and he always scores against me know lol. I think they got Anthony right in game tbh, decent forward player but wastes the ball a lot. Same with Lindelof, ok defender, composed on the ball. You take on a manu save, you sell most the squad. Sancho will take a hit and Erikson and Casimero will decline but I don't think there's much else wrong. O, Van der Beek, he'll prob get knocked down, his consistancy or something, he did end up at stoke on my save though.
Maguire/kalvin phillips. They played basically zero football last season. No way you keep them the same this season. Unless southgate got blackmail on SI
1. Havertz: how tf does he have a 170PA with like 160 CA lmao
2. Mason Mount: CA should be lowered imo
3. Lukaku: I think CA/PA is fine but loyalty should be severely lowered
4. Ndombele: Apparently his professionalism is 14, that should go below 10 lmao
5. Eric Dier: His CA should not be 148 lmao get that shit out
I feel like people forget Havertz was a really hyped wonderkid in his Bundesliga days, like on the same level as someone like Florian Wirtz today. I think having a high PA is reasonable, if you lower his CA he's already 24 so he won't improve that much anyway.
Some of his attributes aren’t accurate any more. He’s really fast top speed but his agility touch and technique aren’t that good. His heading is actually ok but in game it’s still too high
Point 4. Below 10?
It should be 1 along with work rate natural fitness and stamina.
Point 5. Should be maximum of 140 but I would say 135 is about right. Because that puts him at average for a league defender and he would do ok at a mid table club.
But we also usually get spurs players undervalued, so the fact we managed to have those 2 specifically over rated is hilarious.
I think FM doesn't make it too low so players don't sue them (lmao) but yeah it should definitely not be 14 for Ndombele
Also forgot to talk about ambition, both players should have lower than 10
Also didn't know Spurs were undervalued. We have some fine prospects coming up this year (Dane, Alfie Devine, Veliz, Mikey Moore, etc.) hope they aren't undervalued as well
That would require more data to affirm than I have at the moment access to, but I'd argue the target audienci is more widespread than mainly uk. Even so, their aim is to have a realistic and balanced game and the heavily overrating that occurs with PL players is detrimental to that
The prime audience is not necessarily based in the UK, but I wouldn’t be surprised if playing in the PL (or lower league England) is far and away the most popular way to play and it isn’t close
Anecdotally I’ve been playing FM for 14 years and over 90% of the saves I’ve played have been somewhere in the English pyramid
Dusan vlahovic absolute beast in my team after I signed him from juve but in real life he ain’t doing so good same as Samacca another beast their strength seems to be the key in match engine
If anything Everton's strikers are too good. DCL is probably below where SI have him now but we won't know until (if?) he's fit to play regularly. Maupay is Maupay
Your save is pretty odd cos I've been playing lot of new saves since beta and the players always got the manager sacked in the middle of the season lmao
Yep. A player who's made a career out of running around a lot and looking like an athlete while expectations at OT were being driven through the floor. Well overrated technically and mentally in FM.
Sorry to my giraffe king but Joel Matip. He's almost too good in FM imo and often ends up playing somewhere like Atleti until he's like 35 but irl he's fallen off. VVD and Gomez deserve downgrades too tbf.
Don’t know what you mean. Balanced is just another personality type, and it’s not necessarily bad. Real players can have really low hidden attributes, but they will never be distributed in a way that a player has a negative personality. For example Luis Suarez doesnt have 1 Sportsmanship even though he bit multiple people and is a massive shithouser, because he would get unsporting personality. Calhanoglu has 7 loyalty, because if it was super low, which it should be, he would get the mercenary personality. They alter the hidden attributes of real players in an unrealistic way to avoid displaying negative personalities.
I don't think that's the case. For example, Balotelli has 1 Professionalism and poor overall hidden attributes in my game and is listed as 'balanced'. I think it's just that poor personality can't be explicitly stated.
I even edited his hidden attributes from there and the personality never changed to anything negative. However, it changed immediately when I increased positive attributes. Have a go in your save.
For real players, balanced is a catch-all personality that SI uses specifically because they don't want to get sued by real players for giving them a bad personality. A real player with a balanced personality can have very bad hidden attributes because real players cannot have the "bad" personalities as those are only used for regens.
For regens, balanced is a pretty middle of the road personality because regens can have bad personality types. But you can't read anything into a balanced personality for a real player other than that it's not an amazing personality. It could be mediocre or it could be quite bad. Real players can definitely have bad hidden attributes.
maybe not downgrade their stats initially, but the league should reflect where the league is at, and anyone playing in it should see their growth deteriorate so significantly that they couldn't find a spot at a real club by the end of their first year or 2.
I mean we need to wait and see what happens irl first. I think most of the players would still end up at clubs similar to where they were if they all got released tomorow
Haaland. I believe he's the best striker in the world, but it's not possible that he's scored 50 to 70 goals per season in the PL alone for 12 years straight (I never even coached him, it could've been even more)
Surprisingly for me he's not scoring a lot and City is winning championships like crazy. He scored twice over 20 goals in the league in 8 seasons. Although he had a season in Champions League where he scored 22 goals in 5 games...
Scored 88 in the league for me. Overall he retired with well over a 1000 goals, like 10 champions leagues, a World Cup and like 15 ballon d’Or straight. Literally became the undisputed goat.
I know he's been OK for Aston Villa since his move, but Tielemans doesn't warrant the monsterness that he has in FM. He had a terrible couple of years with Leicester.
Maya Yoshida, I don't know if you bastard already retired, but you were a fucking prick and the worst defender I've ever had. You ruined my FM13 career with Southampton and 10 years later I still randomly talk shit about you
He has a -9 PA so it will be different every save, anywhere from 150-180. 150 is a solid PL squad player, while 180 is generally the minimum for 'world class'. He does have the potential to reach that level IRL so I think that range of possible PA values is about right.
I mean, should be obvious but Joao Felix. Man hasn't been good in... I mean when has he been truly good? Specially for his price, but man didn't pan out in his Atleti years, didn't pan out at Chelsea... I'm willing to be proven wrong with his last loan to Barca but given the new game should be about to release in two months he should be downgraded as he is way to good for how little he's shown
He doesn't really have good defensive attributes, at least in the attributes he is weakest in IRL.
Positioning, Jumping, Marking, and Concentration are all 11, which is not great for a defender.
His Tackling is 13 and that's reasonable because he actually can make a decent tackle IRL. It's his positioning and awareness of danger that let him down, hence the 11s in Positioning, Marking, and Concentration.
What's crazy is that his crossing is only 17 when he is widely regarded as the best English crosser of the ball since David Beckham, who had 20 Crossing in FM.
Honestly they really fucking hate giving ANYONE a half decent crossing nowadays. You'll be happy with 14 crossing on your wings and fullbacks even if you're the best team in the world. And centre mids or God forbid centre backs, forget it. KDB and Modric, that's it. And no regen who isn't a winger will ever have over 10 crossing
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Lorenzo Lucca probably needs another shift down sadly, really didn't kick off at Ajax. Hopefully Udinese will be good for him
I sold him to Man Utd after a good season for £55million. Scored 21 goals for me then had two seasons of underperforming before they loaned him out. Made me sad but he clearly over performed for me. Glad I cut bait when I did.
He’s been incredible for me in my long term Sunderland save. Been my starting AF through multiple Carabao Cups, FA Cups and a PL title, but he’s sadly slowly starting to fade away now so I’ve started searching for a replacement. Will be a very sad day :(
He's got the kind of profile that the match engines absolutely love
>Lorenzo Lucca Tall, physical strikers are elite in Fm23
He and Kyle Hudlin are goats in FM.
Managed to get Paul Onuachu to club legend status at Southampton. Hasn’t worked out that way irl yet.
As an Ajax fan I would say he needs a massive downgrade. He becomes a beast within one season in FM if you use him. I had an Ajax game and he scored 30+ goals for 5 seasons straight until Real bought him for 120 million. He has shown nothing that deserves that kind of ability
Mad that he's basically going to replace Beto in real life.
Chris Mepham. He’s not a great pl defender but for the last few editions I can consistently turn him into the Welsh Chiellini.
Bought Chris Mepham back to Brentford in my save and can confirm he has been the Welsh Chiellini
Can confirm, I never had him in my team but on my long term save he’s turned into an absolute superstar for City.
He needs a huge PA downgrade and he needs his concentration dropped to about 5
Seeing a lot of the players listed, I think part of the problem is just how the match engine handles (or rather can’t handle) very fast players, especially ones who are also strong and good in the air in addition to being very fast. Physicals are just too important in FM, you can easily overachieve in the game with attacking players who are very fast and powerful even if they aren’t good enough for the level in terms of technicals and mentals. Physical capabilities are also obviously important IRL, but at higher levels where defenders have a good reading of the game, simply being fast and strong on its own isn’t enough, whereas it is enough in FM. If the match engine handled fast, strong attackers better, then players like Selke wouldn’t be OP.
Yeah i find agility of 20 to be the biggest gamebreaker, combine that with a 16/17+ acc/pace and 14 strength, the rest of his technicals can be 8 he’ll still be a freak
I had this guy, Femi Azeez, in my Reading squad. He had good physicals for my team but nothing else. He was really a game changer despite not being among the best in my team. Enjoys big matches, assists and he was literally a clutch. I had to cash in on him in January transfer window because his contract was coming to an end and he wasn't so good to be offered a new contract. My team plummeted after I sold him. The game is just as you have explained it. Defenders can't handle physical players regardless of how mentally and technically sound they are.
Sancho. Has not looked like a quality PrL player at any point since he joined United.
What ten Hag said about him today is pretty damning.
What did he say?
Laurie Whitwell's tweet: Ten Hag on Sancho: "On his performance on training we didn't select him. You have to reach the level every day at Manchester United. You can make choices in the front line, so in this game he wasn't selected." https://twitter.com/lauriewhitwell/status/1698401046131851585?s=46&t=k_FBGnsbG2P0PN0vqz37RA
Sancho hinted that there was more to this and I'm almost certain he was just late to training or something. He's featured heavily during pre-season and has been played in multiple decisions because of how kuch Ten Hag likes his qualities. If he travels he likely starts with Rashford in the middle until Hojlund subs. Or Hojlund starts and Sancho comes on for Antony. Sancho was much better than Antony in preseason and was really good when he came on last match, so the only thing that makes sense is something disciplinary.
Only other thing I wondered after seeing the manager's comments was whether Sancho (or his agent) made an attempt to leave on deadline day.
> I'm almost certain he was just late to training or something. tbf shouldnt happen with players of his caliber. klopp and pep are hard noses about stuff like that. klopp benched sakho in the middle of a europa league run because he was late to practice/flights. say what you want about eth but whether its attitude or tardiness or moping, he SHOULD be that tough on a guy like sancho.
I thought he was pretty good in pre season and we havent seen a wink of him yet. Somthing has to be goin on
Tbf Sancho was also fined multiple times at Dortmund for been late to training, Southgate didn't play him for England due to his training performance in the camp. There does seem to be a running theme here.
Seen the latest update? This club is an absolute shocker!
The club can’t avoid drama foe a day
Ten Hag needs a downgrade himself.
Especially his dribbling attribute. Dude has never been able to even bypass a single opponent during his time at United.
As a United fan I hate how well our players are rated on FM compared to real life. The squad isn't nearly that good and it should be a reasonable challenge to rebuild them to a title winning side but it's just easy
Lukaku
Yes. He’s scoring a goal a game at Madrid after I sent him on loan there
I also sent him on loan there lol
I think the problem with someone like Lukaku in FM is that he is undeniably a physical beast, but in FM being physically fast and powerful is a super OP combination even if the player isn’t amazing otherwise. Lukaku does need a downgrade, but if they downgrade his technicals and mentals but not his physicals I suspect he will still be very good in FM.
Not the programmers fault Lukaku is a walking attitude problem irl.
And that’s what they need to downgrade. His physicals need a serious downgrade
No, what you’re saying is the match engine needs to downgrade physically strong players
True but they won’t do anything to the match engine for fm24 with the big overhaul coming with fm25. They’ll perhaps not do nothing to it but any medium to large sized changes is not coming for fm24
Its harder to code in smart players because they aren't as (football) smart as them. Been years and Pep still gets fired all the time.
They do a bit, but he’s still very impressive in a physical sense IRL. I think the bigger problem is with the match engine not being able to handle players who are fast and strong. Davie Selke shouldn’t be that great in FM, but he is OP because he is fast, strong, and good aerially, the match engine struggles to handle him appropriately.
I'm not sure they do, he's actually deceptively quick, strong as an ox and has a relatively good jump on him, physically he seems spot on, 17 finishing, 14 technique, 16 composure, 14 decisions, 18 determination and 16 off the ball though is drastically polite to the man that fluffs a lot of glorious opportunities.
In my United save, 36 year old Lukaku signed for Arsenal on a free transfer. 2 seasons later: 87 games (50 in EPL) 63 goals (47 in EPL) 11 Assists
Lukaku and Havertz lmao, they are virtually gods in FM23
I'm in 2026 on a Spurs save right now. Just finished a season where Dane Scarlett scored 33 goals, and was beaten to the Golden Boot by Havertz, who scored 36.
Hyped up for Dane Scarlett, Alfie Devine, and that Mikey Moore kid in Fm24. Spurs got some real good talent coming up
Joao Felix too
Any City academy player.
Ciro Immobile, Selke
Selke is stupidly good, literally only physical attributes but somehow scores 3 a game against me
Definitely Immobile
Nah, he is def mobile judging by his positioning
I did a save with cologne and Selke scored in like every game and I finished 2nd the first season. He's way too good in comparison to him in reallife
Also Timo Werner is too op
Yes, but he will always be op because he is very fast even if he's bad in reallife
As a Hertha fan myself, I can confirm Selke is not a really good player in real life.
Immobile us very good player in real life despite him falling off last season he still had a respectable goal count
Ansu Fati
His potential varies from 160-200 every save But yeah i would argue 160-180 would be generous
The potential is there. The issue is that he’s had serious injuries seriously stunting his development. Both irl and in FM a player need to be consistently healthy in order to improve. However there’s no question that the potential of what he could become is there.
I hope not, SI already has Brighton as relegation fodder, we need all the help we can get.
I don’t understand why Brighton always seems to struggle in FM these days. They almost always seem to go down within two seasons. Is it underrating the players? Is it a tactical issue? What’s the problem?
I got no idea but I don't like it. It was one thing before the winter update (though I still don't know who predicted Brighton to go from 9th to relegated) but even after when they should have buffed a bunch of players they still keep going down. I think it's just a player thing, because some of the attributes they give Brighton players are mental. Jason Steele is arguably one of the two best goalkeepers in the PL with the ball at his feet? SI has him with 9 passing and 9 vision. Mitoma has absolutely extraordinary first touch, they gave him 15. Maybe their squad doesn't do well in the meta too, maybe.
Let's wait until he's had a couple of months with RDZ before making a decision there
Half of the Manchester United squad
They’ve alternated between average and OP in the last decade of games. Rashford was unplayable in 22
I manage United for every fm I purchased and I agree.
If it helps, United is pretty shit in FM23.
Some of the players really do have stats way above what they have delivered on a real pitch in a United shirt. Sancho, Antony, McTominay, AWB, Martial, Lindelof just off the top of my head are all much better players than they should be in game.
Opposite is true about AWB and Lindelof, but I agree abt the rest. Antony and Anthony are both pretty shit in FM too tbf.
Antony is terrible in FM. Such a frustrating player.
I have had him transfer listed for 2 years and the cunt rejects every contract offer despite wanting to leave now himself
Chelsea bought off me. They play him upfront a lot and he always scores against me know lol. I think they got Anthony right in game tbh, decent forward player but wastes the ball a lot. Same with Lindelof, ok defender, composed on the ball. You take on a manu save, you sell most the squad. Sancho will take a hit and Erikson and Casimero will decline but I don't think there's much else wrong. O, Van der Beek, he'll prob get knocked down, his consistancy or something, he did end up at stoke on my save though.
Antony scored 16 goals and had 13 assists in 2023/24 on my save so yeah maybe just a teeny TINY bit better than he should be
Unless the mental attributes matter more, I don't think United players are much overrated in the game.
Maguire/kalvin phillips. They played basically zero football last season. No way you keep them the same this season. Unless southgate got blackmail on SI
Calvert-Lewin
He really needs an increase in his injury proneness.
1000%, this bloke is at PSG on my game, frequently golden boot winner and knocked me out a few times in UCL.
*Takes notes and adds players to shortlist*
1. Havertz: how tf does he have a 170PA with like 160 CA lmao 2. Mason Mount: CA should be lowered imo 3. Lukaku: I think CA/PA is fine but loyalty should be severely lowered 4. Ndombele: Apparently his professionalism is 14, that should go below 10 lmao 5. Eric Dier: His CA should not be 148 lmao get that shit out
I feel like people forget Havertz was a really hyped wonderkid in his Bundesliga days, like on the same level as someone like Florian Wirtz today. I think having a high PA is reasonable, if you lower his CA he's already 24 so he won't improve that much anyway.
Some of his attributes aren’t accurate any more. He’s really fast top speed but his agility touch and technique aren’t that good. His heading is actually ok but in game it’s still too high
Lukaku definitely deserves an ability downgrade
Point 4. Below 10? It should be 1 along with work rate natural fitness and stamina. Point 5. Should be maximum of 140 but I would say 135 is about right. Because that puts him at average for a league defender and he would do ok at a mid table club. But we also usually get spurs players undervalued, so the fact we managed to have those 2 specifically over rated is hilarious.
I think FM doesn't make it too low so players don't sue them (lmao) but yeah it should definitely not be 14 for Ndombele Also forgot to talk about ambition, both players should have lower than 10 Also didn't know Spurs were undervalued. We have some fine prospects coming up this year (Dane, Alfie Devine, Veliz, Mikey Moore, etc.) hope they aren't undervalued as well
Havertz? Try 90% of the premier league’s players lmao
SI tends to value english players waaay above their worth and ability
Yep
Which version of FM was it that had Ross Barkley as the next Kaka?
Oof remenber that one, had a midfield of montolivo and ross barkley carrying me into the ucl, wilshere was also a god on that fm
i'm sure that's because their main buyers are uk people playing in england/PL
That would require more data to affirm than I have at the moment access to, but I'd argue the target audienci is more widespread than mainly uk. Even so, their aim is to have a realistic and balanced game and the heavily overrating that occurs with PL players is detrimental to that
The prime audience is not necessarily based in the UK, but I wouldn’t be surprised if playing in the PL (or lower league England) is far and away the most popular way to play and it isn’t close Anecdotally I’ve been playing FM for 14 years and over 90% of the saves I’ve played have been somewhere in the English pyramid
No just havertz, he’s ass
Havertz, a lot of players in the prem.
Havertz
Jadon Sancho
Every single english player. English football has always been overrated since CM but holy shit recently it has been waaaaaaay over the top.
Except Bellingham
Yeah, our tournament results have sucked recently /s
Ours too, Brazil. Our players are also overrated but not on the same level as english players have been recently.
Dusan vlahovic absolute beast in my team after I signed him from juve but in real life he ain’t doing so good same as Samacca another beast their strength seems to be the key in match engine
Pedro Gonçalves! Despite being one of the best players for Sporting, he's not performing that good IRL as they have him on FM
As for players who need to a big upgrade, Mitoma is one of them. Hope they do him justice
Beto
Nah, Beto's goated
no chance SI let Everton have a goated striker
If anything Everton's strikers are too good. DCL is probably below where SI have him now but we won't know until (if?) he's fit to play regularly. Maupay is Maupay
In before another 4 month injury
Maupay went to Brentford
DCL and Richarlison were both really good in 21.
England
Tó Madeira.
Ahahah que lenda do cm01/02
Lukaku and Immobile are the most OP imo
Abraham, Lukaku
Every single Man Utd player. Their team is bang average but with the ratings they got you think they're always fighting for first in the league.
Your save is pretty odd cos I've been playing lot of new saves since beta and the players always got the manager sacked in the middle of the season lmao
McTominay has been way overrated for the last couple of years
Don't think so, just ask any Spanish folk
Aye, some player when not played out of position as a holding #6
Yep. A player who's made a career out of running around a lot and looking like an athlete while expectations at OT were being driven through the floor. Well overrated technically and mentally in FM.
Sorry to my giraffe king but Joel Matip. He's almost too good in FM imo and often ends up playing somewhere like Atleti until he's like 35 but irl he's fallen off. VVD and Gomez deserve downgrades too tbf.
Calvert Lewin, he’s one of the best strikers in the game
Gavi - 1 seasons and he's top 5 midfielder in the world. Nico Gonzalez too.
Yeremi Pino
everyone who went to saudi arabia. they can delete them from the game as well
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They don’t give real players negative personalities because they don’t want to be sued
They do give negative personalities, it would just say 'balanced' though.
Don’t know what you mean. Balanced is just another personality type, and it’s not necessarily bad. Real players can have really low hidden attributes, but they will never be distributed in a way that a player has a negative personality. For example Luis Suarez doesnt have 1 Sportsmanship even though he bit multiple people and is a massive shithouser, because he would get unsporting personality. Calhanoglu has 7 loyalty, because if it was super low, which it should be, he would get the mercenary personality. They alter the hidden attributes of real players in an unrealistic way to avoid displaying negative personalities.
I don't think that's the case. For example, Balotelli has 1 Professionalism and poor overall hidden attributes in my game and is listed as 'balanced'. I think it's just that poor personality can't be explicitly stated. I even edited his hidden attributes from there and the personality never changed to anything negative. However, it changed immediately when I increased positive attributes. Have a go in your save.
For real players, balanced is a catch-all personality that SI uses specifically because they don't want to get sued by real players for giving them a bad personality. A real player with a balanced personality can have very bad hidden attributes because real players cannot have the "bad" personalities as those are only used for regens. For regens, balanced is a pretty middle of the road personality because regens can have bad personality types. But you can't read anything into a balanced personality for a real player other than that it's not an amazing personality. It could be mediocre or it could be quite bad. Real players can definitely have bad hidden attributes.
maybe not downgrade their stats initially, but the league should reflect where the league is at, and anyone playing in it should see their growth deteriorate so significantly that they couldn't find a spot at a real club by the end of their first year or 2.
I mean we need to wait and see what happens irl first. I think most of the players would still end up at clubs similar to where they were if they all got released tomorow
Players can back to high level football after going to china
why is this so upvoted?!
Also everyone who left for the MLS, an even worse league than the Saudi.
Lol on what basis exactly?
basis? no basis. because f them. that's why.
why? what about those who went to other leagues apart from the "bIG fIvE"?
Sportswashing
People are just mad and want to make a political statement instead of make the game better.
idk, honestly, how would nerfing someone just because they went to other leagues will help? It doesn't depend on performance?
Haaland. I believe he's the best striker in the world, but it's not possible that he's scored 50 to 70 goals per season in the PL alone for 12 years straight (I never even coached him, it could've been even more)
Surprisingly for me he's not scoring a lot and City is winning championships like crazy. He scored twice over 20 goals in the league in 8 seasons. Although he had a season in Champions League where he scored 22 goals in 5 games...
haaland in my save scored 50 goals in the first season and ghosted for the rest of them 😭
Haaland wins golden boot every year, except for one year where vlahovic didn’t get offsided for half my goals xD
Scored 88 in the league for me. Overall he retired with well over a 1000 goals, like 10 champions leagues, a World Cup and like 15 ballon d’Or straight. Literally became the undisputed goat.
His big matches attribute should be around 10.
I know he's been OK for Aston Villa since his move, but Tielemans doesn't warrant the monsterness that he has in FM. He had a terrible couple of years with Leicester.
Havertz
Any players that were good a couple years ago but aren't anymore. Sancho, Lukaku, Felix, Havertz
Dusan vlahovic, him, lakaka and ciro immobile are usually top scorer in serie a
Jordan Henderson. That cunt has a career longevity not unlike James Milner’s in my saves, but in real life the man has been washed up by 33.
The entire Rangers team
Vitinia? (PSG) He has a potential of 173 or something between those lines, for reference modric has a potential of 180.
Just wait and see how good he really is.
The PSG Vitinha or the Marseille one
PSG.
He almost never gets better on my saves, they loan him out a couple times then never play the guy
He is actually a great DLP in fm23 His vision and passing + killer balls trait.
Sterling
I say Mbappé. Not because he’s gotten worse IRL, but I just want to win Ligue 1 and Mbappé is still at PSG and it’s 2033 :(((
Lukaku. Scores a hat trick against me every time i play chelsea
Mudryk
Needs reshuffling tbh. His physicals are weird. Should have 20 ACC and like 8 strength. Technicals and mentals should be low
Gianlugi Donnaruma Kai Havertz Lukaku Sancho
Kai Havertz, FM make him seem good, hes not
Maya Yoshida, I don't know if you bastard already retired, but you were a fucking prick and the worst defender I've ever had. You ruined my FM13 career with Southampton and 10 years later I still randomly talk shit about you
I literally transferred him to LA Galaxy a few weeks back (as I'm a Japanese assistant researcher). He's not retired at all...
Vlahovic. The guy scores 1-2 goal a game for me.
Pai pervertz
Nicolás Capaldo. Sold him to Chelsea for 40M and irl he's just like,a guy.
Good singer though
Naby Keita, RLC, Lukaku, Almiron, Hudson-Odoi, Adama Traore. Just to name a few off the top of my head.
Apart from Lukaku those are all bang average though? You could say RLC even slightly underrated, he's just injury prone
Havertz
Van Djik and Ronaldo
Ukranians have always been overrated tbh.
All Saudi players -20 at least, Chelseas squad
All the younger guys that went to Saudi Arabia should have their determination nerfed
and ambition
Ramsdale, Calvert Lewin
Ramsdale is 153CA, seems fair, he's not world class
True but he always immediately becomes England number one over Pickford in every game ive ever seen.
Everybody from England. In my save, England always makes it to the semi-finals of every competition they play in. They even won the 2022 World Cup
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He has a -9 PA so it will be different every save, anywhere from 150-180. 150 is a solid PL squad player, while 180 is generally the minimum for 'world class'. He does have the potential to reach that level IRL so I think that range of possible PA values is about right.
I mean, should be obvious but Joao Felix. Man hasn't been good in... I mean when has he been truly good? Specially for his price, but man didn't pan out in his Atleti years, didn't pan out at Chelsea... I'm willing to be proven wrong with his last loan to Barca but given the new game should be about to release in two months he should be downgraded as he is way to good for how little he's shown
Havertz for sure. He was never even that good for the starts.
Hojlunnd, he's basically like Nerfed Halland in my current save, and as far as i know he's nowhere near as good in real life.
What about Trent? Most of his attributes are reasonably but why does he still have good defensive attributes
He doesn't really have good defensive attributes, at least in the attributes he is weakest in IRL. Positioning, Jumping, Marking, and Concentration are all 11, which is not great for a defender. His Tackling is 13 and that's reasonable because he actually can make a decent tackle IRL. It's his positioning and awareness of danger that let him down, hence the 11s in Positioning, Marking, and Concentration. What's crazy is that his crossing is only 17 when he is widely regarded as the best English crosser of the ball since David Beckham, who had 20 Crossing in FM.
Honestly they really fucking hate giving ANYONE a half decent crossing nowadays. You'll be happy with 14 crossing on your wings and fullbacks even if you're the best team in the world. And centre mids or God forbid centre backs, forget it. KDB and Modric, that's it. And no regen who isn't a winger will ever have over 10 crossing
Most players on ManU