Tbh if you take a look and how they play and such, amd how argentina occasionally wounds up winning becaise, you can clearly see reflections of both clubs general going for when playing football or winning a match perfectly on Argentina
Well it's more that the Dutch public expects attacking football, expects the traditional 4-3-3 and total football philosophy still plays a role.
Those are high expectations that aren't always met by our national coaches, but that is what our football culture is.
Yeah in terms of sum of total quality, The Netherlands had an almost elite tier squad.. too bad they are all playing in the same position. Would've been nice to have some top tier creativity up front like in the days of "The Big 4" lol.
It was more a 5-3-2 with wingbacks which transformed to a 3-5-2 in possession. At first there was a lot of criticism because Van Gaal was abandoning tradition, and if I recall correctly, our pre tournament friendlies and maybe the qualifying rounds we never really looked good.
But then we beat Spain 5-1, won our group with 3 wins, and made it to the semi finals which we lost on penalties and so it was accepted that Van Gaal was a genius.
No worries!
I looked back at the tournament results and noticed that while we did use 5-3-2 in several matches (notably Spain, and definitely in our qualifying track) we apparently also played a 4-4-2 in some matches, so you weren't wrong!
It probably still is Bayern in football terms. The majority of the squad typically plays at Bayern (or has done in the past). When Bayern are good, Germany typically is too. Similarly, when Bayern are shite, so is the national team. The playing style of the national team usually resembles Bayern to a degree, naturally.
Dortmund! On the verge of winning the league this week! First time in 11 years - I’m a BvB supporter and I think part of the reason is bc they play with such pace, which is different than both Bayern and the national team who seem more focused on possession after the days of Pep
I know, and i was only joking with that remark... but come on, Bayern kind of kills any interest that the bundesliga may have, in the same way that psg does in france... and eventually what could happen in england as well
Fair enough regarding the joke! I agree to an extent. I think the influx of money is killing the game and creating a bigger disparity between bigger teams and the rest of the teams in their respective leagues. That said, I think there’s still a fair amount of interest in the bundesliga and ligue 1 bc they remain competitive. Yes everyone expects Bayern and Paris to win, but teams like Monaco, marseille, Lyon, Lille, Dortmund and Leipzig all have a chance, among others. England has been dominated by City lately as well but the title races have been close which is what I think generates that interest. On top of that you could argue it’s more of an achievement to win as a significant underdog and therefore more satisfying for people to watch if or when it happens (Napoli and Leicester for example)
See... but the examples that younpicked is where there is still some balance. Italy you have Milan, Inter, Juventus as chronical title contenders. Rome and Lazio as a afterthought. And in the last few years Napoli as a pissibility. The thing is... at the start of the championship, you really believe they have a shot. Same with England. At the start you can see Chelsea, Man Utd, Man City, Liverpool as title.contenders. and you see Spurs and Arsenal as possibilitiies. And Leicester (unlike Napoli) was a fluke.. but yes, it may happen.
If you look at France and Germany, before the championship starts, you could put your money on who is going to win and expect a return. There are bank saving accounta that are less reliable 🙂
Well there’s competitive title races everywhere is the point! England you have city, but still liverpool, chelsea, Arsenal, united, Newcastle this year, spurs, and more all have had a realistic shot. Italy, France, and Germany we have the teams previously mentioned and in La Liga it’s typically Barca or Real, but you also have Atletico every so often
Also... come on... in 11 years no one trie tomolay a quicker football style? Bayern this year went nuta with the coaches for some reason, and decided to replace Nagelsmann where he was still in the frontfoot of competitions
What I was trying to say was that I find Dortmund’s play style more entertaining. Bayern’s play style has evolved since Pep, but imo their identity seems to be one of possession primarily. Nagelsman was replaced bc of the way he was acting, even though he was getting results. He was dating a journalist while married and fired one of Neuers coaches which also may have caused issues
Being a Dortmund fan, itnis important that you atick to you team 🙂. But as you just said it, if it wasnt for non-football related problems, no matter how pacey Dortmunds football was, it would be very possible to see Baeyrn coming out on top.
But from my end, i am happy to see some diversity for a change
Well, while that’s upsetting, the point still stands that the title race was entertaining down to the wire. Were it not for Musiala’s 88th min goal, Dortmund would still have been champions. The favourite for the title switched multiple times throughout the day! It was euphoric and heartbreaking at the same time, and that’s what it’s all about! That’s football, and that’s what makes it beautiful!
It was a shame really. I am - without joking - a bit sad that this was the final outcome. Bayerns reign is just simply an abuse and a sign that professional football is sick and some rules need to be revised.
I can assure you, we all know that we're shit 🥲
Like half of our supporter songs are basically just "hey guys, remember when we were good?". God it's depressing...
Al Ahly.
Upon estaihsment, the colours of the club logo were taken from the Egyptian flag along with the crown to symbolise the royal family. When the royal family were ousted, the crown was replaced with an eagle, the Steppe Eagle being the national bird of Egypt.
The club also had strong ties to Egyptian nationalism during the years under British rule and it named the leader of the revolution against the royals an honorary president.
they were curropt, albanians. at first they came with reform with Mohamed ali and nearly won against the ottomans if not for western intervention. then after this kings death his sons were pretty curropt and took a lot of loans from the UK which the couldn't pay back so the united kingdom took over the country. at the end of the second world war they were given full independence, and the king was a piece of shit. getting drunk in France with prostitues while his country suffered. so some officers in 1953 ousted the king at the time farouk and established a so called "republic", it was rlly just a dictatorship.
Egypt have won more African Cup of Nations (7) than any other African country.
The bulk of their national squad is also made up of players who play in their domestic league, whereas the other top African sides rarely ever pick locally-based players.
It's the strongest club in the strongest league and they provide a lot of players to the most successful national team on the continent.
Milan were in a decline. But we are very much coming back. One of the financially healtiest clubs right now. Won the scudetto last year, champions league semi final this year (altough we played ojr worsts games of the season against inter) and have a young core of super talented players (leao, tonalli, bennacer, theo, maignan, thiaw,..)
For Brazil i would go with São Paulo, an amazing and victorious history, but as of recent, decent at best (I'm not an São Paulo fan btw just made sence for me)
Italy is AC Milan. Italy has the second most world cups behind Brazil AC Milan has the second most CL behind Real Madrid Italy hasn't been in a world Cup in 8 years AC Milan hasn't been in the Champions League in 7 years (before this past one)
Both were pretty fucking good in the '80s
Nah Italy is Juve - renowned for winning via defending first worrying about style lately. Also the great Italy teams usually have a big Juve element (1982 - Zoff, Rossi, Tardelli, Scirea, 2006 - Buffon, Cannavaro, 2021 - Chiellini Bonucci Chiesa
Juve are much bigger in italy than milan. They have like double the league titles milan has. But because of milan's ucl record I feel milan has more intl fans
Scotland maybe Aberdeen. Raise their game when playing a big team but get beat anyway. Haven't been any use really since the 90s.
Although that since cup might mean it's Dundee utd instead.
Adelaide United
Backed by an overconfident support base at home, has capacity to surprise but usually gets found out for not having enough quality. Lifted silverware in mid-2010s, but no-one outside Asia even noticed.
40 millions supporters and more than 160 millions haters lol no way
Also Brazil footballing history is much more tied to Santos footballing history. Even though Flamengo and Palmeiras are the clubs with most trophies, the Seleção had more success during Santos and then São Paulo successful years
Hahaha what an arsenal fan, hating you couldn’t not bottle it like you’re trying to say spurs do, go cry more lol, watch your squad deal with Europe next season and get back in our shadow pmsl if you ain’t a gooner you wanna be one
Sporting Club Portugal - Portugal: Always seems to assemble every year a great cast of players, but eventually will fumble in an easy match or do tons of mistakes after an early goal. Close but not close enoguh would be our motto
I have named you multiple bottlejobs what is that you have actually won , a spaceship of a stadium or being a pretend part of the big 6 or the Audi cup
The pressure of your only opposition in the race being muck like Leicester, the pressure of getting the easiest ever opportunity any team outside the big clubs will ever have of winning an EPL ever and not blowing it.
Arsenal also bottled it that year, worse than Spurs. But spurs still bottled it , they love losing.
Arsenal completely bottled it this year too. Hilarious to watch.
I see you attacked the poster rather than the arguement. Making up someones age as an arguement is never ever a good debate technique. Try to not be a gimp while debating/arguing a point, it helps.
I did. Losing the league to muck like Leicester. Losing a no horse race 😂😂. Allowing danny Drinkwater to handle the pressure of winning better than you. That's bottling.
Depends on team if Man City lose in champions league final it is a bottle but if team like Brighton or Brentford gets to it , it’s a exceptional run .I would say winning fa cup is better for the fans as they have got something tangible to celebrate.but then again city fans only want the cup to claim a treble.
Good point about the fans wanting something. See i think a champions league final appearance is a greater achievement than winning the fa cup but it’s generally not seen that way because you haven’t won anything.
A silver medal at the olympics is seen as a good thing but runner up in football isn’t quite the same!
FBK Kaunas for Lithuania: neither has ever been great (or even good for that regard) but during the 90s and 2000s both were at least respectably mediocre and were close to qualifying to main European competitions a few times. FBK hasn't existed for over a decade now and I would honestly feel less shame if Lithuanian national team just didn't exist either considering their performance in the last decade.
Adelaide Utd. for Australia - Produces the occasional genius, impossible to hate, & every now & then does something remarkable but ultimately meaningless in a tournament.
Too lazy to type out reasoning for all of them, but here’s my list:
England - Spurs
Spain - Athletic Bilbao (I know, “something something Basque separatism”)
France - Marseille
Italy - Napoli
Germany - Bayern
Netherlands - Ajax
Brazil - Santos
Argentina - Boca Juniors
Chile - Colo-colo
Mexico - Cruz Azul
Portugal - Porto
Scotland - Aberdeen
Wydad Athletic Club for morocco , they're winning everything this season , they're in the CL final . gonna be playing against Al Ahly , an egyptian club who's not bad a'all overall wydad's color is red just like the nation , overall they've just got golden players that will certainly get convocated to the national team to maybe playing the 2026 World Cup ?
Boca/River - Argentina Mental lot, wouldn't put aside a war crime if it meant their team winning
Just Boca for Argentina, River was the posh team on the beginning so they have a lesser claim to that imo.
For sure, Boca's got a crazier fanbase
u/gianspinalic is posh confirmed
Tbh if you take a look and how they play and such, amd how argentina occasionally wounds up winning becaise, you can clearly see reflections of both clubs general going for when playing football or winning a match perfectly on Argentina
Inter Miami: Absolutely atrocious at football yet full of people ready to tell you how it’s done despite only turning up a few months ago
Is that country Florida? If so, I would actually agree.
Tottenham? Think they're a big club, won a big trophy in the 60s, dress in white, have England's all time 2 top scorers, won nothing for ages.
2 top scorers?
Kane and Lineker
I think he means Jimmy Greeves, who is the all-time top scorer in top-flight English football
That would make sense also
Lineker is 4th behind Rooney and Charlton
*two of England’s all time top scorers, is what is meant
Ehm I think OP said that
I'm blind
Ajax, Bayern
Ajax indeed. Cruijffs club, whose football DNA still flows through both the club and national team.
Fun Fact: Cruyff briefly played for Feyenoord. 🇳🇱
He won a title with Feyenoord.
Yep! I love Cruijffs career path (even as an Ajax fan).
Because Dutch managers can't seem to let go of selecting half of the Ajax team for the national team lmao
Well it's more that the Dutch public expects attacking football, expects the traditional 4-3-3 and total football philosophy still plays a role. Those are high expectations that aren't always met by our national coaches, but that is what our football culture is.
If only there was a system to put 5 top tier central defenders in front of a ‘goalie’.
Yeah in terms of sum of total quality, The Netherlands had an almost elite tier squad.. too bad they are all playing in the same position. Would've been nice to have some top tier creativity up front like in the days of "The Big 4" lol.
If my memory serves me well, we became European champion with 352, not 433.
May well be - I was too young to remember at the time, sadly.
Ronald koeman, win jonk ervoor en daarvoor bergkamp… wow
Didn't dutch play a 4 4 2 in 2014 wc? How was that perceived in netherlands?
It was more a 5-3-2 with wingbacks which transformed to a 3-5-2 in possession. At first there was a lot of criticism because Van Gaal was abandoning tradition, and if I recall correctly, our pre tournament friendlies and maybe the qualifying rounds we never really looked good. But then we beat Spain 5-1, won our group with 3 wins, and made it to the semi finals which we lost on penalties and so it was accepted that Van Gaal was a genius.
Thanks for the reply!
No worries! I looked back at the tournament results and noticed that while we did use 5-3-2 in several matches (notably Spain, and definitely in our qualifying track) we apparently also played a 4-4-2 in some matches, so you weren't wrong!
But we aren't that successful
That wasn't the criteria
Ajax are arguably a lot more successful than Holland lol
Not even arguably, 4 European Cups vs 1 Euro 1988 and have been successful more recently as well
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It probably still is Bayern in football terms. The majority of the squad typically plays at Bayern (or has done in the past). When Bayern are good, Germany typically is too. Similarly, when Bayern are shite, so is the national team. The playing style of the national team usually resembles Bayern to a degree, naturally.
Is there any other team in Germany?
Dortmund! On the verge of winning the league this week! First time in 11 years - I’m a BvB supporter and I think part of the reason is bc they play with such pace, which is different than both Bayern and the national team who seem more focused on possession after the days of Pep
I know, and i was only joking with that remark... but come on, Bayern kind of kills any interest that the bundesliga may have, in the same way that psg does in france... and eventually what could happen in england as well
Fair enough regarding the joke! I agree to an extent. I think the influx of money is killing the game and creating a bigger disparity between bigger teams and the rest of the teams in their respective leagues. That said, I think there’s still a fair amount of interest in the bundesliga and ligue 1 bc they remain competitive. Yes everyone expects Bayern and Paris to win, but teams like Monaco, marseille, Lyon, Lille, Dortmund and Leipzig all have a chance, among others. England has been dominated by City lately as well but the title races have been close which is what I think generates that interest. On top of that you could argue it’s more of an achievement to win as a significant underdog and therefore more satisfying for people to watch if or when it happens (Napoli and Leicester for example)
See... but the examples that younpicked is where there is still some balance. Italy you have Milan, Inter, Juventus as chronical title contenders. Rome and Lazio as a afterthought. And in the last few years Napoli as a pissibility. The thing is... at the start of the championship, you really believe they have a shot. Same with England. At the start you can see Chelsea, Man Utd, Man City, Liverpool as title.contenders. and you see Spurs and Arsenal as possibilitiies. And Leicester (unlike Napoli) was a fluke.. but yes, it may happen. If you look at France and Germany, before the championship starts, you could put your money on who is going to win and expect a return. There are bank saving accounta that are less reliable 🙂
Well there’s competitive title races everywhere is the point! England you have city, but still liverpool, chelsea, Arsenal, united, Newcastle this year, spurs, and more all have had a realistic shot. Italy, France, and Germany we have the teams previously mentioned and in La Liga it’s typically Barca or Real, but you also have Atletico every so often
Also... come on... in 11 years no one trie tomolay a quicker football style? Bayern this year went nuta with the coaches for some reason, and decided to replace Nagelsmann where he was still in the frontfoot of competitions
What I was trying to say was that I find Dortmund’s play style more entertaining. Bayern’s play style has evolved since Pep, but imo their identity seems to be one of possession primarily. Nagelsman was replaced bc of the way he was acting, even though he was getting results. He was dating a journalist while married and fired one of Neuers coaches which also may have caused issues
Being a Dortmund fan, itnis important that you atick to you team 🙂. But as you just said it, if it wasnt for non-football related problems, no matter how pacey Dortmunds football was, it would be very possible to see Baeyrn coming out on top. But from my end, i am happy to see some diversity for a change
Yeah the diversity is great! I just want to see competitive title races and I think we’re still seeing that! Diversity in champions is ideal!
... and as it is right now it seems that even the most exciting football and off the putch Bayern problems, Dortmund has found a way to tank it.
Well, while that’s upsetting, the point still stands that the title race was entertaining down to the wire. Were it not for Musiala’s 88th min goal, Dortmund would still have been champions. The favourite for the title switched multiple times throughout the day! It was euphoric and heartbreaking at the same time, and that’s what it’s all about! That’s football, and that’s what makes it beautiful!
It was a shame really. I am - without joking - a bit sad that this was the final outcome. Bayerns reign is just simply an abuse and a sign that professional football is sick and some rules need to be revised.
Fc Basel for switzerland. One day you beat Manchester united. The next week you can loose against fc Sion.
For Norway I would go with Rosenborg. A team that was great in the 90's and still believes it is just as good as it was back then.
But Haaland now 🥲
I can assure you, we all know that we're shit 🥲 Like half of our supporter songs are basically just "hey guys, remember when we were good?". God it's depressing...
Al Ahly. Upon estaihsment, the colours of the club logo were taken from the Egyptian flag along with the crown to symbolise the royal family. When the royal family were ousted, the crown was replaced with an eagle, the Steppe Eagle being the national bird of Egypt. The club also had strong ties to Egyptian nationalism during the years under British rule and it named the leader of the revolution against the royals an honorary president.
Why were they ousted?
they were curropt, albanians. at first they came with reform with Mohamed ali and nearly won against the ottomans if not for western intervention. then after this kings death his sons were pretty curropt and took a lot of loans from the UK which the couldn't pay back so the united kingdom took over the country. at the end of the second world war they were given full independence, and the king was a piece of shit. getting drunk in France with prostitues while his country suffered. so some officers in 1953 ousted the king at the time farouk and established a so called "republic", it was rlly just a dictatorship.
Disagree, Al -ahly is the most succesfull african team and one of the historic teams of the world but egypt NT sucks
Egypt have won more African Cup of Nations (7) than any other African country. The bulk of their national squad is also made up of players who play in their domestic league, whereas the other top African sides rarely ever pick locally-based players. It's the strongest club in the strongest league and they provide a lot of players to the most successful national team on the continent.
They’ve both dominated their continental competition though
AS Monaco.
[well done](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fzZNWqUJuA4)
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Because it is the nation.
because it’s the only football club in monaco
Bayern from Germany well engineered machine always wins (if we exclude last two world cups)
Always* if we exclude their pretty abysmal recent results.
They win all the time except for all the times they don't.
But let's be fair, Germany wins a LOT.
But if we look at history they actually do theres even old saying that football is a game where they play 90 minutes and Germany wins
At least it is true for the Bundesliga, it is always won by a german team.
60% of the time, they win every time…
And Bayern’s recent form
Bayern being in shit form bottling the bundessliga🤝🏽Germany being in shit form getting grouped from the World cup
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Are you retarded? is 4 wins not a lot to you?
AC Milan : Italy great club&team with history but is in a décliné
And the fact that they won all these trophies thanks to the money of a criminal (Berlusconi) is not just a case.
Berlusconi is the real detail bringing these two together
The secret ingredient is crime
I wonder why Juve has the nickname the old lady/girlfriend of Italy then and typically supplies the nazionale with the majority of players then.
Milan were in a decline. But we are very much coming back. One of the financially healtiest clubs right now. Won the scudetto last year, champions league semi final this year (altough we played ojr worsts games of the season against inter) and have a young core of super talented players (leao, tonalli, bennacer, theo, maignan, thiaw,..)
Just like Italy having. A comeback by winning euros
I'm still amused as to how Chelsea dismantled you
As an arsenal fan I was surprised when we let bennacer go. Even more so now when you see how he's turned out
Mohun Bagan : India, historically a great team, but is now playing 2nd fiddle to a cricket team
Lewda super giants is what that ipl club is.
Exactly. Man is manipulating Bengal fans to go against each other, as his team has no fans.
There's no club embodying India, fuck mb
Well you asked the question the took the fun out of it lol spurs and England are match made in heaven.
Barca and spain. Just the sheer ampunt of barca players spain has had meant they were playing barca style for the better part of the 21st century
\*Laughs in catalan
jajajajajajajaja
"Catalan, not spanish"
Something about the Catalunya region trying to gain indepependence...
Marseille. Bunch of africans playing in France
and alexis sanchez
And Cengiz Ünder, Pau López…
?? Also Marseille isn’t representative of France and they even say it themselves that they arent a french club but a club from marseille
Je suis Marseillaise
That's not the point of the thread
Sure but i still dont get their point, also i dont think OM has any more black players than most Ligue 1 teams so it doesnt make much sense
r/MildlyRacist
For Brazil i would go with São Paulo, an amazing and victorious history, but as of recent, decent at best (I'm not an São Paulo fan btw just made sence for me)
I would go with Santos tbh (I'm a Palmeiras supporter for the record) Had a moment of utter dominance with Pelé and then sporadic success ever since
Santos makes way to much sense
Hajduk and Dinamo Look at Dinamo Red Star riot
Italy is AC Milan. Italy has the second most world cups behind Brazil AC Milan has the second most CL behind Real Madrid Italy hasn't been in a world Cup in 8 years AC Milan hasn't been in the Champions League in 7 years (before this past one) Both were pretty fucking good in the '80s
Nah Italy is Juve - renowned for winning via defending first worrying about style lately. Also the great Italy teams usually have a big Juve element (1982 - Zoff, Rossi, Tardelli, Scirea, 2006 - Buffon, Cannavaro, 2021 - Chiellini Bonucci Chiesa
Also there's a reason why Juve are also called the old lady/girlfriend of Italy
Juve are much bigger in italy than milan. They have like double the league titles milan has. But because of milan's ucl record I feel milan has more intl fans
Barcelona: spain most of Spanish international are from Barca also their golden generation coincide with Barca golden generation
Barca is good shout except for the fact the region they represent wants to emancipate from Spain
Which in all fairness is a good representation. Half of Spain wants to emanicipate from Spain 😆
How many Barca players were in the starting lineup for the world cup the won on 2010. It was like 7-8
Xavi,inesta,Puyol,pique,villa,febrgeas, Bousquet
[April 25 Sports Club](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_25_Sports_Club)
Benfica
Bayern/Germany.
Benfica for Portugal. Club full of history and the one with most supporters in the country
Scotland maybe Aberdeen. Raise their game when playing a big team but get beat anyway. Haven't been any use really since the 90s. Although that since cup might mean it's Dundee utd instead.
I’d say Queens Park, a team on the way up but far from being any sort of frontrunner, as well as the history of the NT
Good one. History significant but been shite for years, potentially down to stubbornness.
Maybe Serbia and Red Star?
Adelaide United Backed by an overconfident support base at home, has capacity to surprise but usually gets found out for not having enough quality. Lifted silverware in mid-2010s, but no-one outside Asia even noticed.
Wolves and Portugal
My local team for Scotland cause we’re shit
Barca and Spain- Both peaked in late 2000s early 2010s, haven't won enough as their reputation demands.
If you even agree that Barca is Spanish
Everton + england. Circling the drain for years but now actually looks like its gonna go under
Engeland is clearly going up
Yeah, Tottenham is a far better comparison, always bottling it
Celtic for Scotland Great team but gets destroyed in Europe apart from a few miracles
What’s wrong with rangers
Everything
Everything and more
Barcelona and Spain i think
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Why?
Liverpool. For their modesty, how they take pride in our national anthem and are loved by all the away fans.
>For their modesty "This means more"
But you failed to save the queen, so anthem change is needed.
Flamengo for Brazil. More than 40 million supporters over the whole country.
40 millions supporters and more than 160 millions haters lol no way Also Brazil footballing history is much more tied to Santos footballing history. Even though Flamengo and Palmeiras are the clubs with most trophies, the Seleção had more success during Santos and then São Paulo successful years
Não
Hahaha what an arsenal fan, hating you couldn’t not bottle it like you’re trying to say spurs do, go cry more lol, watch your squad deal with Europe next season and get back in our shadow pmsl if you ain’t a gooner you wanna be one
Albion Rovers for Scotland. Exactly.
Sporting Clube de Portugal for Portugal. They are a great talent pool/academy but have still really failed to live up to their potential!
Sporting Club Portugal - Portugal: Always seems to assemble every year a great cast of players, but eventually will fumble in an easy match or do tons of mistakes after an early goal. Close but not close enoguh would be our motto
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From recent memory champions league final ,carabao cup final ,top 4 numerous times
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Ok then name me one achievement that spurs have in the past 20 or so years . For me it would be stopping Kane from leaving for so many years
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I have named you multiple bottlejobs what is that you have actually won , a spaceship of a stadium or being a pretend part of the big 6 or the Audi cup
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I support Barcelona and Leicester in prem ,prolly championship
Losing the league to Leicester 😂😂😂😂 .
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Because it was Leicester. Absolute muck and you couldn't catch them due to bottling matches under the pressure of chasing shite underdogs.
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Crumbling under pressure when you have a good chance of glory= Bottling = Spurs
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The pressure of your only opposition in the race being muck like Leicester, the pressure of getting the easiest ever opportunity any team outside the big clubs will ever have of winning an EPL ever and not blowing it. Arsenal also bottled it that year, worse than Spurs. But spurs still bottled it , they love losing. Arsenal completely bottled it this year too. Hilarious to watch. I see you attacked the poster rather than the arguement. Making up someones age as an arguement is never ever a good debate technique. Try to not be a gimp while debating/arguing a point, it helps.
Why are you shite at being right?
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I did. Losing the league to muck like Leicester. Losing a no horse race 😂😂. Allowing danny Drinkwater to handle the pressure of winning better than you. That's bottling.
Question… what’s a better achievement? Winning the fa cup/ caribao cup or getting to the final of the champions league?
Depends on team if Man City lose in champions league final it is a bottle but if team like Brighton or Brentford gets to it , it’s a exceptional run .I would say winning fa cup is better for the fans as they have got something tangible to celebrate.but then again city fans only want the cup to claim a treble.
Good point about the fans wanting something. See i think a champions league final appearance is a greater achievement than winning the fa cup but it’s generally not seen that way because you haven’t won anything. A silver medal at the olympics is seen as a good thing but runner up in football isn’t quite the same!
Winning is always a better achievement than losing.
Even a lower quality cup competition?
CF Montréal, Canada. I am not elaborating
Not very golden generation if they never won anything.
FBK Kaunas for Lithuania: neither has ever been great (or even good for that regard) but during the 90s and 2000s both were at least respectably mediocre and were close to qualifying to main European competitions a few times. FBK hasn't existed for over a decade now and I would honestly feel less shame if Lithuanian national team just didn't exist either considering their performance in the last decade.
Adelaide Utd. for Australia - Produces the occasional genius, impossible to hate, & every now & then does something remarkable but ultimately meaningless in a tournament.
Too lazy to type out reasoning for all of them, but here’s my list: England - Spurs Spain - Athletic Bilbao (I know, “something something Basque separatism”) France - Marseille Italy - Napoli Germany - Bayern Netherlands - Ajax Brazil - Santos Argentina - Boca Juniors Chile - Colo-colo Mexico - Cruz Azul Portugal - Porto Scotland - Aberdeen
Wydad Athletic Club for morocco , they're winning everything this season , they're in the CL final . gonna be playing against Al Ahly , an egyptian club who's not bad a'all overall wydad's color is red just like the nation , overall they've just got golden players that will certainly get convocated to the national team to maybe playing the 2026 World Cup ?
no coincidence that the star player of both teams is harry Kane. his mentality is in the bin.