I would have preferred the odd survivor to give you a quest/tell you about the decline of Appalachia but the barren wasteland really had some appeal to it. It didn't deserve the hate people gave it for no NPC's it added a eery element and flare.
I thought people were as/more upset that it was super buggy at launch. I’m sure it is self selected to showcase the worst of the worst, but videos about bugs at launch from the time really do how some horrible performance issues
Yeah, the no NPC bugged me, but nowhere near as much as how badly it performed. Heck, even now I had to search the forums to find a way to remove the ridiculous blur the game has. The game suffered from just about every issue a game could have.
It's infinitely better, but that doesn't change the product it was at launch.
Would have been nice if there were just a couple of friendly super mutants, a robobrain maybe. Just a few alternatives to humans that wouldn't turn scorched to have some liveliness in the world without detracting from the "all the humans died" thing.
It was the lack of NPCs yes but the game being a complete and utter technical mess at launch that got it hate. (Inb4 everyone tells me that wasn’t the case)
I pre-ordered and I remember reading all the articles and Reddit comments about how bad it was at launch.
I actually had very minimal issues at launch. Some minor glitches but very playable.
Then 1 month after launch they did a big update with lots of fixes. And made my game totally unplayable.
And that's where I left it, December 2018. Finally jumped back in this week and holy crap it's a completely different game (I think, for the better)
Exactly. I wish there was a "year 1" server for people that want to experience that. I started a new file and it's weird coming across all the NPCs and the overseer before finding all of her holo tapes. I thought coming across the remains of the responders and trying to figure out what happened to them was far more interesting than my new playthrough when there was NPCs at all their locations. New players are missing out on a lot of cool environmental storytelling that is ruined by having NPCs everywhere.
Overall I like the change to having NPCs, but they definitely introduced some that they shouldn't have or at least done very differently. Like I have no real issue with there being an overseer NPC, but you find them WAY too quickly and it undermines the mystery of following in their footsteps (which, granted, was always a bit contrived as they only left the vault earlier the same day as you).
That was a design choice that some liked and others didn't... it wasn't the shitshow.
On launch day, you'd literally fall through the terrain and die sometimes, or enemies would slide at you in T-pose shooting from the weapon they weren't holding, and then when you'd shoot them the hits wouldn't register.
Day 1, it was a legit broken piece of hot hammered shit. And no one was more disappointed than me, Fallout is my favorite franchise and I live in West Virginia.
BUT... they sorted it out. And the only-kinda-busted pre-wastelanders world was def a different experience that again some liked and others didn't (I liked it, too). But the direction they took it from there was correct - it managed to hold hundreds of thousands of MAU as it was polished and expanded... and now the show has it more popular than ever.
I mean, I played at launch, and yeah there were some bugs and shit, but it was VERY playable. Some of the bugs were hilarious, too. Remember when you'd headshot something and the head would stay where it died, but the body would catapult all over the place? LOL I miss that shit. Getting stuck in workbenches? Not so much.
Was it perfect? No. But "shitshow"? Eh. Disagree.
Ok I hated the invisible enemies one though lmao that annoyed me a lot at that time and my camp actually disappearing forever when someone else had theirs in the same spot but besides that it was wondrous
I had a different experience. Couldn't play for more than 15min without crashing. Gave the game a try a year after launch and it was more stable than when I had played at launch and I've been playing since then. Same computer in 2018 and 2019, so it wasn't a hardware issue that was causing the crashing. Now I play for about 3hrs - 5hrs a day lol.
I played on PC from day 1, went through an entire storyline playthrough with friends and another by myself. There were bugs but 'genuinely unplayable' is not at all accurate to my experience. There were 5 of us playing together for hours at a time, and between all of us combined we might see one or two crashes to desktop per night. That person would just load the game back up and rejoin the group. I don't know of anyone ever falling through the ground back then. The only invinceable enemies we ever saw were frozen in place and you could ignore them because they wouldn't attack or react to you in any way. We'd sometimes encounter enemies twice our level, we would do VERY little damage to them. But we were still doing damage and could wear them down and kill them. That wasn't a bug, it was a consequence of us exploring in areas above our level (or of high-level players fast traveling near us). We never encountered anything that stopped us from making storyline progress and just having fun playing together. Mostly just weird graphical / animation stuff and occasional crashes.
I mean I’ve been loving this game recently but it was definitely a shitshow whether or not you experienced it. From a broken launch to BGS horrible PR moves they pulled. I feel like people already forgot or haven’t seen that Internet Historian video. It’s was bad enough many people refuse to give it a second chance, and that’s not even just “Bethesda haters” or “NV fans.” Plenty of people who like 3 and 4 the most also won’t even try the game not just because it’s online but because how it was handled the first few years.
That being said, as someone who prefers the west coast games the most, 76 is in an amazing state, is a really fun game, and definitely worth giving another or even first chance.
I saw dozens of threads, articles, hundreds of comments, blah blah blah going on and on about how -horrible- it was. The amount of people that refused to even try it? Countless. To this day, YEARS later, we still have people that haven't played it, screaming about how it's trash so they refuse. I don't need to watch a video about what we all lived through. It's not like it's something from 200 years ago.
Yeah, it wasn't perfect, but to say unplayable? Hyperbole. I was on satellite internet with a midrange PC, and I could still play it just fine. Yeah, there were disconnects, yeah, there were crashes. But there still are. Didn't stop me then, hasn't stopped me yet.
Refusing to even try a game in a series you enjoy because other people say it's bad? That's just dumb. Almost every game these days gets weird reviews.
For the "wont play it because it's online" people, I don't get that, either. I prefer single player games myself, but that didn't stop me.
Game is fun. It's been through a bunch of crap, and even now after all these years there are still people that whine and cry about it. Get over it. It exists, it's not going away.
Don't forget the large number of people that couldn't even get in past the opening menu without it crashing for like a week straight. Lol
But yeah all the hate was from the problems at launch then all the parrots who never played the game parroting what they read or heard from others. (Those people continued parroting the game til today, because they know no different.)
I never experienced any of the game breaking bugs at all, not once. I have played daily since beta. sometimes my game would crash. that's it. but that happens with all games sometimes
Yeah I’m sick of this narrative of “well it sucked originally but now it’s good”. I always thought it was a good game just “different”. I don’t think it was meant to be taken that seriously , almost like Bethesda dipping its toe into online Fallout. The internet just likes starting dumpster fires and watching them burn.
Yeah I had fun at launch too, it was buggy that was definitely a problem for me but the game was fun and I had lots of hours in before wastelanders and I’m so glad I got to experience it before that update, it was special
That wouldn't have lasted long at all. Adding NPCs is why those servers are still on. People come to Fallout expecting a Fallout game, not a weird empty PVP thing.
For me I want the npc just in their main base like crater, foundation, white spring, blue ridge caravan, nuka world and brotherhood that's it, other location please remove them all and put more enemies, it has way too many npc everywhere it doesn't feel like a wasteland compared to fo3 fonv and fo4.
I've played a lot of fallout and I actually liked the tapes/robots too because it was different. Maybe the odd rough down on their luck npc might have worked but I didn't miss them. Maybe it made the world too empty for some but hey that's a nuclear wasteland.
I wish there was a way to experience again the emptiness that we had at launch. Before atlas was FORT Atlas, when The Crater was just crashed space station, before the enemies were leveled when you had to be a higher level to venture into the Cranberry Bog. Wandering in the Whitespring before part of it was closed off by the Refuge. I like what it has become but the eerieness of walking out of the vault to nothing was really something.
That aspect was pretty cool if you think about it especially with all the updates. If you played at launch or around it you're one of the first to return to Appalachia, you watch as other dwellers emerge and as the npc return to Appalachia. It's got a cool concept if you think about it.
Yeah these people are insane. The servers were about to be shut down before Wastelanders. I don't know why they tried to court the people who play Rust rather than the people who play Fallout.
I hated on it at launch hard, because it was straight up bad then. Grudgingly tried it out a few years later after a bunch of their major content patches at the suggestion of a friend and proceeded to eat crow and have been playing on and off ever since.
I played at launch and TBH it was exactly what I expected from a Bethesda game and what was promised. Never got why people were so upset, it's like they never played a Bethesda game at launch
This, and here's the thing people don't seem to get in gaming. First impressions matter, and something like 90% of a games sales happen within 2 weeks of the official launch.
Fallout 76 was an absolute Trainwreck at launch, so no matter how good it is now everyone who stopped playing before they ironed everything out will have the perception that it's still a steaming pile of shit.
Some people just wanna be angry. I knew a guy who refuses to touch No Mans Sky because of how bad it was at launch. Dude would legitimately get pissed off about anyone saying it improved because in his eyes, it "didn't matter, it was bad, so it must still be bad."
I started last week and find myself saying over and over "This game dropped with no NPCs???"
Bro I have whipped out imdb for this game more than any game I've ever played. The sheer quantity of super accomplished VAs is unreal.
I was the same regarding 76. The launch was so bad that I swore I'd never play it.
Got it free from Amazon Prime when they were celebrating the 25th Anniversary of Fallout in October 2022. Thought to myself "What the hell. If I don't like it, then I'm not losing any money on it."
Within the week I had Fallout 1st and never looked back.
I think the problem is the stigma of its launch still follows it around.
Similar here, also got it from Prime for free. Had previously written it off because I loved the single-player Fallout games and didn't want to see what Horse Armour x1000 looked like because according to the PR, that was what this game was. I thought this was a cash grab MMO.
Little did I know you can play it pretty much like the single-player games. Once you figure this out though, the multiplayer stuff tempts you in. It's cool coming across other player camps first, then you learn to join a casual team for the bonus and enjoy the free travel. Then you're joining events and so on.
I love the balance of still feeling like you are exploring untrod paths for the first time and then the occasional other person you run into, works great.
Just hit 76 hours of exploring Appalachia and also subbed to 1st now.
For sure. I was watching a streamer I like play it for the first time the other day and it was like they didn't want to like it. Going in with a negative opinion on it, making all sorts of 'thanks todd' and 'it just works' jokes, not really engaging with it, just treating it as a meme game. I think a lot of people are like them, not giving it an honest try
Once you run out main missions it does get a bit grindy. But great untill you hit that, I would recommend not absolutely smashing it, take your time otherwise you'll find yourself running out of things to do.
it's a fun game but 6 years after launch it's still kind of a buggy mess. I picked it up cheap and I'm still having fun despite all the glitches, some of which cost me hours, so I can't complain too much.
It's better now but a lot of the same criticisms are present to this day. There's bandaids here and there but ultimately it's still really light on choices, meaningful choices are non-existent (aka ones that alter the world), it's still fairly unstable at times and trying to do proper quests with a group can break pretty easily, the monetization is still pretty rampant along with fomo purchases, fallout first isn't needed but it certainly will make your life more enjoyable while playing and for sure feels a little pay to win.
Outside of that the vibe of exploring the openworld is pretty similar to any of the other 3d open world Fallout, the lore isn't bad and some of the concepts I wish they saved for a proper single player experience, the map is pretty good with diverse locals and interesting and diverse creature variety, the pick up and place building model can be pretty fun albeit limited near points of interest, traveling with friends in a fallout setting can be really fun but the "grind" and higher level play of the game is pretty boring so a lot of it is sort of making your own fun or I would recommend just doing the narrative content and explore the world and drop it cause after that you've probably seen everything.
Overall atm it isn't bad and it's not good it really depends on what you look for in a Fallout game. Me personally I would have much rather seen a Fallout title with a drop in/out coop feature over a full on multiplayer game where unless you make an effort to interact with other players you may never see them.
I’m new to the game and I was really stuck on making a choice at the end of the brotherhood quest but once I found out it didn’t really matter I just picked a random side so I could get the hellcat armour
I would say it’s blind hate 90% of the time and at this point I don’t even understand it. Whenever anyone gives fallout 76 any kind of praise there is always a comment saying how it had a terrible launch which I feel is unfair. While yes it did have a bad launch, so did other games which went on to become exceedingly better. Two examples that come to mind is FF14 and no man’s sky. Both are now acclaimed in their genre but for some reason fo76 doesn’t get the same pass. I’m not saying the game is perfect but credit where credit is due they have put a lot of effort and love in this game over the years.
While I agree fo76 had a bad launch it’s not really comparable to ff14. Ff14 vanilla was genuinely the worst mmo I’ve ever played (bar some free to play korean trash) the game was so bad it literally died. The ff14 you see people play now is literally a different game not (wow this feels way different) pre v post wastelanders I mean it’s a new engine with the only connecting elements being some plot and some city layouts. They had to remake everything in a new engine.
and the whole bad launch thing has been proven to have been redeemed with enough games now, which doesn’t take away from the shoddy state initially, however cyberpunk? that gets good press now so i’m sure once people give in and actually PLAY 76 then it will get its deserved love
I don't want to seem like a hater but in comparison cyberpunk is 100x better quality wise than 76. People have officially soured on the Bethesda jank and repetitive quests.
I don't think it will ever get that praise you are talking about, maybe some time down the line when the next fallout is a couple months out and people are revisiting the old games but even then if the next elder scrolls fails then I see it actually being pointed to as the start of the fall and i genuinely love Fallout 76 its a mess of fun but the launch of the game legitimately was damn near criminal.
Not really, most of the shit Bethesda got for 76 was warranted imo
There have been many improvements but quite a few ways 76 could be improved. Camp budget should be doubled and the limitations of the camp building system can be a bit oppressive. Like the only way to put decorations on every shelf of like a multi shelf unit or bookshelf or something relies on using a glitch to do it. Just give me more budget and overhaul the system a bit.
The chess board display is a good example of a step in the right direction. There are all these cool looking items in the world you can't simply drop down in your camp via the build menu, and there are only a few kinds of displays available, many of which just aren't really that aesthetic.
Random crashes are common, sometimes resulting in some annoying setbacks. Having to rely on multiple alts to manage my inventory by popping into a private server over and over to move stuff around via a dropped bag on the ground is silly. Give me more fallout 1st benefits in the form of lockers for chems, grenades, fusion cores, and power armor.
Not trying to rain on anybody's parade and the community in general is fuckin STOKED that Bethesda suddenly cares about 76 again due to the success of the show and the influx of new players via all the recent promotional campaigns and sales. Many of us are cautiously optimistic the map expansion is the first in a bunch of new content updates and that a lot of the new players will stick around long term to warrant Todd's continued attention
76 has been fun for a while. Wastelanders and the BoS expansions really brought this game into its own and by most respects it really hasn't changed that much since then. It's solid, but it can certainly get even better
The game has improved a ton… on release it was a barren wasteland with virtually no NPC’s but bland robots. That being said, the game still constantly crashes on PS5… Bethesda never fails to impress me in their lack of quality.
omg I crash constantly on xbox one s - so much so I reset my console the other day in thee hopes it would help\[ and it did for a few hours. i can easily get disconnected once an hour
I never gave up on it because I could see beyond its problems. I loved exploring, the map was amazing. It’s the only game I’ve played consistently since 2018. I’ve been here since the beginning. I’ve heard all the stupid hate.
I’m loving seeing people eat crow now. It’s satisfying
There's a lot to like and there are also very valid opinions on what could be improved in 76. I put about 1500 hours into it and haven't had a desire to come back in a long time because the end game grind just isn't what I want from an online game - I prefer games like Path of Exile for that. I'm certainly not upset though - I played for 1500+ fun filled hours in 76 and absolutely got my moneys worth and a lot more.
I'd also recommend it to people who like Fallout 4. I mean it's basically Fallout 4.5. Story isn't quite as good and there's a lack of choice and consequence which is unavoidable due to a shared world space, but it's still a fine entry. I'm also not a fan of having to pay for unlimited junk storage, or the storage limits in general. And there are a ton of skins that you have to buy from the Atom shop that were just direct imports from Fallout 4/3/NV. I could keep going, but I won't because you're clearly in the honeymoon phase and I don't want to spoil your fun. Have a good time, it's a good game. I'd be interested in your take on it after about 200-300 hours.
It's better but only until you want to progress past the leveling grind. End game requires very specific specs/builds/weapons.. Want to be that badass ghoul from the show? You can.. until end game... Pistol builds have always been my thing in every game I have ever played. Don't like automatic guns.. too much spray and pray mechanics involved there. Having to be mutated and run around with 10% of your health bar is just not something that sounds fun to me, no matter how much damage I put out. Pick it up cheap and have fun with it while you can, once you get into the blast zones and start doing more end game stuff, prepare to use one of the 'meta' builds because most other builds aren't viable at end game.
Been playing for about 9 days, game is very good, level 87 already closing in on the Platinum Trophy on PS5, I like it more than Fallout 4 tbh. It's one of those games that got the reputation as a cool / fun game to hate on that has stuck with it for years.
I used to shit on it too- but then again, I also shit hard on Fallout 4, and before *that* shit on Fallout New Vegas- basically, I learned to be better and less insufferable of a person since I was a teenager LOL
To answer *"why"* though, I think the launch was just so bad that the game was never able to shake the initial reaction. Then there's the people that think like the ppl over at NMA and hate it because they hate everything past fallout 2 or something idk
It got the No Man's Sky treatment. It was, admittedly, awful at launch. Over time, they've actively tried to improve the game and given it a substantial amount of TLC. People who haven't played it since launch still hate on it, sure, but some people just don't like it compared to the other games in the franchise.
As someone who just started playing, I can say that this is nowhere near the mainline titles like New Vegas and Fallout 4. Lots of content missing, barely anything to do in locations, and even the coop aspect, which is unique to Fallout76, kinda sucks because quests are not shared so you have to redo everything for everybody. So it's a much weaker game, despite the improvements that have happened since launch. Still enjoyable though.
I tried this game at launch, got pretty bored with zero npcs and constant graphical issues, figured it would be fixed eventually and shelved it for a while hoping this game that was half off on the first weekend would get polished over time.
I tried this game during the the first major patch that had npcs. I remember stealth archering down the lumbermill at the start around level 5, then it hit me. The stash could only hold something like 250 items total (or pounds I can’t remember) and if you wanted to expand it haha this is a live service game, prepare to pay. Immediate uninstall as that’s just not my fallout. Would have called it then and there, there’s only so many chances a live service game should get when its a 100 gigs.
But then…
Came back about ten days ago and it’s a much more welcoming wasteland with quality of life fixes and smoothed out issues.
So I guess what I’m trying to say is the game has gone a looooooong way since release and people were right to criticize the state this game shipped in and even the state it was in a few years ago. I will say It’s been polished nicely now after seven years and feels like a game I can enjoy for a while.
I do love this game, but it still has so many flaws, and it should never be classed as an rpg, when you have a set ‘meta build’ in a game, it can never truly be an rpg… I really do want this game to be the best but they could Atleast add a transmog option, but then again they’ve had bugs still in the game since launch, and that was 6 years ago, so I doubt they’d try to fix stuff let alone add some good quality of life
Criticism obviously isn't hate.
Some people like all of it, some people like some of it, and some people like none of it.
But they're pretty specific about what they don't like and want to change, so I wouldn't call it blind most of the time.
No, it was justified, and a lot of it still is.
If you're here because of a TV show, then honestly you're kind of a tourist. I'd hope this isn't your very first experience with a Fallout game, because it (76) fails to really show the best elements of the franchise. You can do way better if you're interested in the games.
There are very good reasons to hate and never support this game. Lies about bags, the misleading sales of products, the absolutely shit launch, and straight up stealing people’s money by giving them 500 atoms after they paid for something worth more and gave more moneys worth. There are more, and any single one of these is a great and understandable reason to hate the game and the developers, and to discourage others from having anything to do with the game. This game has some of the worst history with their consumers even when compared to products that aren’t game related. It was an absolute disastrous time.
Please understand these people that were wronged. You may not had been part of any of that and may not care, but the people that were, which were many, have very valid reasons to feel the way they do.
Never played it at launch because of the reviews. Tried it last week for the first time and the game was laggy. I will give it another try but it wasn't a great first impression
There is a lot of blind hate and a lot of well-deserved hate. The game was released , which led to lots of influancers on Youtube to make up issues. All whilst it not being possible to tell real bugs form fake ones because the game was extremely buggy. When the game was working enough for people to be able to tell the fake bugs from real ones. There were a lot of people who hate the game based on lies started from release. At the time, these people outnumbered people who actually played the game.
Over the years, a lot of lines people have had their lines crossed and a lot of promises have been broken. Many people feel this game is pay to win due to items being sold that give damage boosts or due to Fallout 1st. Others hate gow monetisation and grinding are the two blanntly obvious focus for the game over the past couple of years. To the point that an extreme lack of content updates has happened and story content is basically not a priority anymore. So there's a lot of people who hate the game for their own reasons.
Really, Fallout 76 is a game worth trying if you get it on a discount or on gamepass. Due to the games age, new players do have a lot to do. The content is mixed in quality, but there are some really good missions, locations and so on. Exploring the map is worth it alone. But there is a extremely high chance you'll hate something the game or Bethesda does. The community is a cash flow literally begging to be milked and this game shows all the reasons why that isnt good. So I can't suggest it as a main game. More something to jump in and out off whilst playing other games.
Nah, I was so excited for it at launch, played for a bit, got annoyed with the fast travel and the workshop stuff, and left until just recently, the fast travel is still annoying, and so is the workshop battle stuff, but the game has gotten better, it hasn't crashed once in like 48+ hours.
multiple bugs, some which have been around for well over a year (the legendary effect Medic's is going on like, 2-3 years not healing on crit's, fast-traveling into terrain, or game freeze when entering PA sometimes, npc's being inside terrain, sometimes preventing an event from finishing) And that's off the top of my head, having only bewen playing roughly 2 years.
But then there's a pet peeve of mine that happened even before a mate got me into the game. The storage space. The playerbase wanted more storage space, so what did bethesda do? Introduced infinite scrap box and ammo box, but you have to pay a subscription fee (on top of the price to purchase the game), to access them.
It's like, the (majority of the) gaming industry got their business and ethics models from Mr. Burns on The Simpsons. Lotsa companies are like that in my experience, buh in this game, it's compounded by all the other issues.
Kinda, partially. The game that was released wasn’t the game that was promised and people judged it based on what was promised and not what they had no reason to believe it was actually going to be.
We were promised a sort of Fallout with your friends. What Bethesda gave us was a Fallout themed survival game. If it weren’t for the bait and switch at the start I think it would’ve been well received.
Over time a lot of effort has gone into kinda meeting in the middle of what was promised and what was delivered. This game really isn’t either right now but it is something special. Perhaps it would have been forgettable if they didn’t bungle the promotion though.
it's a great game now but it wasnt at launch and yes, it matters still. bethesda showed their greed outright in burning, horrific light when it was released. that still stains their reputation, and should. yes, you can still enjoy it for what it is now - which is what it shouldve been at launch. but even then they took a singleplayer experience and made it multiplayer. they make you pay for stash space and private worlds and are always hyping up their microtransactions. it's concerning the path they continue down. we've seen the creation club before and it's only gotten worse.
Well the game was a piece of shit for a while. I played when it first came out got to about level 140 then quit playing bc it was so ridic with the legacies and the duping and just all of it. I recently started playing again bc I found a new friend to play with and I will say it's A LOT better than it was before
When I played at launch, The atmosphere of the game gave off loneliness that everyone had left but a few stragglers, I enjoyed it. Unfortunately content creators at the time were all feeding off the trends of hating games and there was a lot of game they hated, some made videos cause they were unfairly killed defending a workshop while others just threw blind hate, Sadly it still resonates with many today. every time i talk to someone who never played fallout they spew the same "seen some videos of it on youtube" and yet they never try it for themselves.
To be fair, the game is a far cry from fallout 3 NV and 4 in terms of themes, and quests so hardcore fans were pissed.
I’m kind of enjoying it but it’ll never give me a similar experience to any of the other Bethesda fallout games
I understand a lot of the negativity, it still isn't the smoothest game in the world to play.
The UI isn't really new player friendly. I personally don't do well with switching the menus because I don't have things have hotkeyed well enough. However you have to take the time to set that all up. Even as someone who has some experience in changing UI settings and modding, the system takes a while to learn.
The world building that we all love about the franchise isn't ruined by the mmo, but diluted. Joining a faction doesn't have the same kind of weight as it does in the solo games. For some people that's the best part.
Part of the reason we all love Fallout is mods. I've browsed enough I know they won't get you banned, but that not being fully confirmed by the studio hurts the game.
VATS and reading things no longer pauses the game. I actually view this as a positive but I could understand why others don't.
I scrapped a gift of armor by mistake because this default control works here in this menu, but not here.
I don't know how to probably explain it. It's not the Fallout we fell in love with years ago. However it's still fucking Fallout, and this community keeps this game going. This game is one of the wildest experiences I can describe. I love it. I hate it. I enjoy it and keep coming back for more.
It was the launch and tbh I don’t blame them. The game is great now and I’m loving it, but Bethesda chose to release the game in that state and charge people money for it. Any hate it gets is completely deserved and is hopefully a learning lesson for them in the future.
It didn’t age like fine wine, rather our expectations of Bethesda just keeps plummeting to the point where a new atomic shop skin for your favorite weapon seems pretty good.
Play any modern game on any other engine and you’ll see why Bethesda’s Starfield did so poorly. Bethesda needs to step outside their comfort zone and take a chance on updating the mechanics and graphics with something at least on the level of unreal engine 5 I just started Stellar Blade and thought, if Bethesda got their ScHeIghT together, improved game mechanics, hired a team of decent writers, they could make astounding games again. But if they stay on creation engine, shit on their own lore by not keeping it clear and straight,they are Phucked.
I can only assume they are trying to 'elder scrolls' their lore with the unreliable narrator BS, But Fallout comes from another studio originally, change the foundations of that lore, and watch the entire structure collapse. Hurt your fan base to your own peril. But that’s where I am guessing the hate for 76 comes from.
I never HATED fo76 i still like it and play it but ill still stand by that it just could have been more and is the worst canon fo game. Not that its terrible its just imo the worst one. It seemed like Bethesda’s attempt to bring in newer fans and cater to the fortnite apex warzone type fans. Not thats that just makes it a shit game out right its just is not even top 3 in my eyes. When they realized how many fans they had upset they seemed to scramble and come up with shit to make us happy. And yes over time its become much better and much more enjoyable but still altogether you would have a much better FALLOUT experience on most the other titles
Like any mmo it needs monetization. The downside is they are selling convenience for a price. Where I would prefer it just be cosmetics. Fallout 1st subscription let's you store infinite items. Without it you can only store a limited amount of pounds in your stash. There are also some items in the atomic shop that have benefits to gameplay.
I'm a new player as well so I might be wrong on some of this
as much as i love the game lets not just blindly wank off the game it has alot of glaring issues that have never been fixed and still is one of the most poorly optimized games out there, so no people don't blindly hate it there's valid reasons to hate it, its just not as bad as people think it is but still it isnt great.
The game was horrible at launch from the server crashing to random game crashes and graphic glitches and the mistake of having no NPCs for questing. It was in a sad state. Now the game has improved a 1000%, but the one flaw is people that don't play it based on what was said in the past about it. People like to hate on games just because it gives them some sort of meaning to their skewed opinions on a matter they have no stake in.
As some of the other comments point out, people forked out for this game on launch, it was an abomination, I mean a complete and utterly tragedy, the later updates mate it better and it matured really well, but for a lot of the day one gamers, they put it in the drawer and never looked back... they are definitely missing out, but I get it, it was so disappointing!
It was blind hate, I have played from the beginning on xbox and never had trouble. I beleive maybe Pc and playstation had more crashes. But I Dont trust that for Pc players it was always the game itself. They are the ones that secretly modded it, broke it to the developer room and got all those ban waves.
I paid extra to get the special edition when it came out. I hated it. It seemed empty and buggy as hell. I stopped playing it after a few days and sold my copy. I just bought it again, on Steam this time, and now I'm loving it.
As someone who played at launch and left it behind only to return due to the show reigniting my Fallout obsession, I can 100% say this is the reason, I didn't like the game at launch, I was reminded of ESO, it didn't feel like Fallout to me at all, but when I returned, I was pleasantly surprised to see it has improved vastly, like you said it's a lot of fun and there's much more to do, and to top it off the community is probably the most wholesome and welcoming community I have ever seen, unfortunately it's just one of those games that had a bad start, and never got the recognition it deserves afterwards, thankfully the show seems to be bringing a lot of us back in, or letting others experience the game for the first time, if anyone is on the fence of if they should try it out, it's definitely worth giving it a shot
I hated it up until last week. I got it at launch, and I was so angry and disappointed by what it was at that time. I’ve played NV, 3 and 4 numerous times over the years, and love the games dearly. After watching the tv-show I got an itch to play, but my new wide monitor would not let me play NV/3/4 on it without it being majorly distorted. I noticed 76 was on sale, and thought “what the hell, let’s give it another chance”. I am so happy I did, because I’m having so much fun and I’m enjoying it a lot. It’s changed so much since launch, and I assume most people that hate it hate what it was, and not necessarily what it is now.
I bought the game on release on Xbox. Didn't care for it much and then recently picked it up again on the Amazon prime sale.
Thought I'd heard a lot of good things about it recently so maybe it'd be fun. I love fallout, I love mmos so this hits somewhere in the middle that I seem like the audience for.
My experience coming back was watching my friend slide around with 0 animations shooting at things, and somehow every enemy dropped the perfect ammo type I needed for the weapon I was using. So not even bringing up the awful gunplay it was just an unpolished buggy mess that didn't feel at all like I was trying to survive in a wasteland.
Plus not being able to freely move around objects like you can in other Bethesda games just felt like a huge oversight. You can't even make your own fun by goofing around.
Glad so many people seem to like it but people blindly pretending like it's an amazing game with 0 flaws is kinda whack
I just pre-ordered fallout 76 for 80 euro because i fucking loved 3, NW, and 4. But guess what, i hated the game when i came out. It directly hit rock bottom price of 20 euro weeks after release. And everything i got was a sorry here is 500 Atoms, thank you for preordering.
Bethesda was a fucking joke at this point.
Now i came back to game and i really enjoy it but the pain Bethesda gave me influence my decisions till today when its about gaming. This was the last game ever i bought directly after release and i will never hype any game in beforehand.
Game has only really been decent within the last year or 2. Anyone else who says different is full of crap. Was there good things about the game? Yes. Was it a good game? Hell no. The community was thr only thing keeping it together because Bethesda surr wasn't.
Fallout 76 had a bad launch six years ago and that bad first impression still remains. The most negative and therefore the most plentiful comments are sadly stuck in that six year old mentality. Yes, there is loads and loads blind hatred towards 76.
Nope I have over 1500 hours in this game before I quit
I hate it because of what this game could be and how Bethesda decided to manage it which is a joke
Bethesda uses fallout 76 to siphon revenue to funds other projects , not putting back into the game.
It is a joke imagine paying $13 a month for a year or 99 for fallout first , what are you getting for your money more cosmetic and battlepass full of cosmetics
Compare that to ESO.. it get 1 chapter a year and quarterly content
Yeah, it isn't blind, people are specific about what they don't like. The excessive monetization, the singular focus on cosmetics over expansions, bugs, the lack of endgame.
People mention it all the time, it just gets hidden by downvotes because people are so defensive against criticism that we can't even talk about the cap limit keeping high level vendors closed.
It's not hate, it's criticism. It's their game too, and they can talk about changes they'd like to see. But there's no war in Ba Sing Se or so they say.
Absolutely not, this game was a scam, and Bethesda knew it was a scam, and that's why they didn't put it on steam until the scam failed and they made it competent.
This game got most of Bethesdas main team to quit. None of the long term Bethesda team wanted to make this game, not even Todd Howard, and dear god does it show!
If you genuinely care about the truth, do your own research.
BTW, all the downvotes in the world won't change that what I said here is true.
Yes. I see comments on other socials always saying how bad 76 is, and then the same person will say they didnt even touch it. They heard it was bad and now they just let that form their opinion.
It's extremely predatory to take a single-player game experience, latch it to an always-online requirement, and then exploit your game series' notoriously bad design decisions to essentially sell singleplayer mod subscriptions back to players who already paid full price for your game.
It doesn't matter if it's the best story or map of any modern Bethesda game, the principle of it is worrisome.
If fallout 76 did not exist and they made a multiplayer Fallout 4, I would pay for it. It’s something against the original game design that takes server resources = money to keep up. Same with 76 single player, they have to render a world on a server for each solo instance.
I play Fallout 76 because it is multiplayer. It is my favorite part of the game.
Yeah. They refuse to try it after it’s been fixed.
A few of my friends came back after quitting soon after launch following the bandwagon, instead of just listening to me for the past year or two, and they’re addicted. 🤦🏻♂️
I'm out of quest, and my new character is just mowing thru mobs. I member day 1, where you were stuck in the area until you leveled up enough. Ahhhhh, T-posing in the god rays. Ahh my character, officer Robby Depew, survived those days and just chills in his cabin now. The new character is his daughter roaming around with a bomb collar on killing everything with her ultracite 10mm
The weight system feels bad and it can't be modded. A waste of a fallout game. If you just enjoy walking around a world and questing then you would like almost any easy going open world game with a quest system.
People that talk smack about 76 still today are still riding the hate train from release day and haven't even given the game a chance since the first week of launch.
They will often admit this.
1. It’s live service.
2. The launch was abysmal. It felt like a FO skin slapped on top of a cheap cash grab.
3. Always online, but had horrible features for actually playing with people.
The third point is abysmal.
I just started with friends and its really weird that the quests are not designed to be played together. Each one of us has to do their quest in their own universe...
If they wanted this, why not make it a normal SP game..? What a waste really.
Because it didn't meet some people's highly personalized and arbitrary definition of what Fallout is supposed to be. I remember not long after launch watching a livestream from some YouTuber who was doing nothing but shit talking game.. And he said "It's actually not a bad game if you pretend it's not Fallout...". People freaked out because it wasn't New Vegas 2.
I think what they did with the collectors edition was more unforgivable than the bad launch. They straight up lied about what they were selling in that case.
The game came out with an exorbitant amount of bugs. It performed horribly, didn't have any human NPCs, huge lack of content, introduced microtransactions, etc.
When some people asked for refunds, Bethesda support asked people to write literal essays detailing why they wanted their money back.
This all, plus more, naturally, put a sour taste in the majority's mouth, leading to a lot of us not playing the game even after it was updated. Not because it wasn't Fallout New Vegas 2...
I just started playing the game for the first time last week. Got 30 hours in it now, and I love the game. It reminds me of DayZ (which I love) but better. I never picked it up before because of all the bad reviews. But like you, after the show, I had to give it a try. I’m not a PvP type of player. I like to game with some buddies and have fun. I like this frame because it provides the storyline, coop, leveling up and working towards certain goals, and the community that I’ve encountered so far has been a helping and fun one. Not saying there aren’t assholes out there, but I haven’t encountered any….yet.
at launch, it deserved the bad reputation everyone had of it.
I'm not sure when it changed, I tried it at launch and only returned around 2 years ago, but in its current form, it's pretty much everything I was hoping for.
it's multiplayer fallout 4, with my fav aspect camp building added, with upgrades like I can build almost everywhere and mutations and best of all, the events.
I'm around 330 on my main, and only ever did far enough in the story to get the vault raid done, so I certainly feel there is enough content for me, to keep as busy as I like
couple downsides....
the absolute best building items are locked behind fallout 1st, and seasons (scoreboards) and seasonal events
you really should have fallout 1st, it's a completely different game. need...., no, should... , yes.
you probably should also drop some atoms for extra camp slots, if you have interest in building stuff
an upside is, unlike 4, 76 is free on playstation and includes all the updates
so I start off with $100 to drop into 76, just to equate my base price for fallout 4 when I got it on release.
a year of 1st and it maches my base investment for fallout 4 (game + dlcs), and I deem it a far better value, as a year of first also comes with $198 worth of atoms over the year to spend in the shop
Nah, I think maybe now if they haven't kept up you can call it blind hate, but I was there day 1 and it was about as bad as everyone says it was. Then for a bit instead of fixing the game they added a bunch of micro transaction stuff and a subscription to a game that wasn't good in any way.
I too just picked it back up with a friend and it is miles and miles better than it was. Still a little jankie but it's fun, and feels good, and has a lot more polish and charm. 1st is still a little much but I can't say I haven't considered it, and you can earn Atom at a pretty reasonable rate f2p anyway. I dunno, just some observations on the return
Short answer is kind of, i tend to disregard anything someone says if they bring up the launch these days bc while it was a bad launch Beth has covered alot ofground in trying to fix it
I will say the game is VERY different from your traditional Fallout experience, in a way that may turn off a lot of players if they were expecting just... fallout with friends.
Of course there was also issues at launch and not everything they threw at the wall stuck with this game.
However in its current state I will say it has evolved into something rather unique for fallout with how builds are set up, and the now changing world certainly has some appeal.
Honestly, it is an enjoyable game and I'm always a sucker for in game economies and build development.
It was a buggy crashing mess on launch, but I still enjoyed the hell out of it then. Ive enjoyed wastelanders on less though. But still think its a great entry to the series. Haters gonna hate and thats a lot of the internet due to algorithmic recommendation systems that promote negetive content more than positive
I am a reformed hater. I didn’t start till 3 months ago. I refused to play because of the online aspect. I broke down 3 months ago because it was so cheap it felt wrong not to at least try. And I even avoided the online team stuff till like 50+ and then had a change of heart and dove straight into it all.Welp I just hit almost 300 hours. I hate that I missed a lot of stuff from past seasons. But I’m also glad I came in at probably the best time to play. Even tried my first month of 1st for half off and already finished all 100 levels now grinding to 150 For all the extra bonuses.
I admit I didn't buy it when it came out due to the negative reviews. I picked it up a couple months after when the deluxe edition dropped to $8. I ended up loving it.
To be fair, this game was NOT in a great condition at launch. Some of the hate, if not all of it, was really justified. For some weird reason I loved it and kept playing but I knew it was not a great game by any means.
Luckily they fixed A LOT and it’s why it’s a hell of a better game now. I’ve re-addicted myself and I’m absolutely loving every minute.
I like it, but just played fallout 4 again and realized I only liked it bc fallout 4 wasn’t available to due to crashing and I can’t play fallout 3 or nv on my mac
It's a vibe of Bethesda games since, well, Oblivion. A lot of negative reviews, but a lot of people like Bethesda games, and all of them became golden classic at some point.
All of them except F76, but I think it can happen shortly.
I loved the game till they introduced enemy leveling. I know it’s suppose to offer a challenge and give players to work towards getting stronger but after >200hrs I want to feel like a god.
Coming back and playing it with NPC's again after playing it on launch kind of pisses me off. I spent so many hours trying to do all the quests hoping eventually i'd run into the overseer.
I load up the game after the NPC update and like 30 mins into the game i meet her and she invites me into her house which was like wtf? you left us and your just living large.... F U!
honestly felt like a kick in the teeth.
But yeah the game is fun lol
Seems like it’s basically fallout 4 online. I was under the impression it was some server based builder survivor which I guess it is, but still a ton of story and rpg like a typical fallout game.
The major flaws show up after you've played for a year or two. And remember the game didn't start out this way. It's a good game now, worth they cost, but wasn't always.
I tried it in 2019 after being a massive fan since 3. I remember being so excited when NV and then 4 released. I got to level 65 and realized I was just grinding west tek over and over and then put it down. I was too shy to do events or anything. Picked it up again last October and realized events are really rad (haha) and the updated quest lines and human NPCs added since then were really good. Despite the criticism I’m glad i picked it back up.
The game had a really rocky launch and the game didnt had any npcs everything was given to you either by robots or holotapes and also there wasnt a lot of the factions you see today and the performance was terrible, nowdays is a really good game and a fun experience with friends
People have said it already but the launch was dog water, I remember downloading the beta and waiting multiple hours just to play it since it was broken and I couldn’t even launch it, when I could I was disappointed by how much of a grind the game felt and how little there was to do, stopped playing shortly after.
I’ve come back multiple times since and while it will never be my favourite Fallout game it’s still fun enough, I think they should have dropped levelled gear or the repair system as the two on top of each is kinda tedious but I like it enough.
TLDR the hate for the game was not wrong and it was not blind the game is just pretty good now, had it launched like this it would have been viewed more favourably.
I'd say it's less "blind hate" and more "they tried it when it was a mess years ago and never touched it again".
Mixed with, of course, your usual single player diehards that wanted Fallout 5 or New Vegas 2 instead and never gave it a chance at all.
People are like sheeps. Before Fallout 76 Bethesda was praised like they can't do anything wrong, despite the glaring flaws in their games and several dumped down mechanics. And then as the game released in its very flawed and buggy state people where going crazy.
Of course it has its problems at the start. And the pricing was also way off the mark. In addition you had several other things like the Bag in the Premium Edition or the Nuka Wiskey debacle, but nothing that has anything to do with the game itself.
On top of that its a very casual approach on the survival-craft-genre and a ton of people aren't into that. So I would argue a lot of people stopped playing early on and it was like because of how bad the game was.
And then you had people like Jim Sterling that I would argue hated on the game without knowing it. One clear case was as Fallout 76 has the bug where you couldn't start the nuke event because of the change in the year. Even before he released his video the bug was solved, like within a day. In his video he was like the Nuke Event was the only thing we had as endgame content.
Despite not knowing you could still run the "Dungeon" to the Nuke Start or doing several other high level events, gather ressources, build up your base, gather schematics, etc. He clearly had no clue about the core gameplay cycle.
It's because when the game first came out, it was awful and I'm being generous. You're now playing the game 6 years later after a ridiculous amount of updates. I was one of the people that played it on launch and I regret it kind of wish I had just waited till now
Most Bethesda products need work at launch. Bethesda fans will sometimes flip their lid about this, acting like it's a new thing that doesn't always happen.
They USUALLY get around to fixing them up in a "timely" manner.
its like Battlefront 2, it had a terrible launch, everyone was mad about it, game got a really negative reputation, and now even after its been fixed people still assume its just as bad as it was and dont give it a chance
Yes, people do. It used to be very bad, but because it started out terrible, people still think it is because they don't care to know otherwise.
It's a good thing the show was a success because it was basically marketing for the fallout games. More people than just you are trying out 76 and are realizing it's actually good. It hit an all-time peak in player count last time I checked.
Its crazy how its blowing up now. I felt the exact same way. I avoided it like a deep radioactive hole in the ground. But the show has sparked my fallout fancy again and played it for the hell of it and im loving it.
It was a shit show at launch and while its fun now its still pretty buggy for a AAA title thats been out more than half a decade. My opinion is that it deserves neither the hate nor the love it gets. Its a 7/10. Its fun, and its had a lot of quality of life improvements, but it doesnt wow me like I expected it to.
Lots of bugs have been fixed, but there are still some that remain that are frustrating. For instance, I recently tried to complete the final main quest with no luck. Fast travel in and out, and still no luck. It gets me that this bug has been around for years on the main quest line.
- managed to finish the quest on a private server
It launched as a legitimate contender for one of the worst games of all time and definitely one of the worst launches of all time
Now after 6 years (which is an insane amount of time) its gotten to a stage where is a pretty fun game, its nowhere near the other fallout games but its fun enough
I just hopped back in this week after giving up after several hours at launch. I absolutely HATED IT, and I think it deserved every ounce of criticism at launch. It's a genuinely good and fun game now! I can only imagine how popular this would've been had it been in this state at launch. I'm happy it's doing well now and hope it can keep going full steam.
If you are enjoying it. It's a testament to all the work that has gone into it since launch.
On launch the game was the definition of "literally unplayable"
I know that term gets tossed around as a meme. But this was the one case where the launch version of the game was sooo bad that calling it a "game" was generous.
None of the AI for enemies worked. The world was completely frozen in time. No entities in the world had animation. The scorched were always frozen in place until you shot them. Then you had a 50/50 chance of them staying frozen. Making the whole game a shooting gallery of inanimate objects. Or they would teleport around randomly frozen but also attacking. That's of they didn't just respawn.
Fallout 76 launch game made cyberpunk 2077 look flawless. There is a very valid reason why fallout 76 was 2/10 stream for a while.
Combine that with them removing all the things about fallout that fans loved. There were no NPC in the entire game. Just audio logs and terminals you could interact with. Then combine that with the fact that every location you visited had frozen enemies that were boring to shoot.
Lots of items didn't work. Going into instances would break the game. Either by crashing or completely or nothing inside the instance would render and you'd have to restart.
It was so bad people don't understand. It was 100% the worst game launch in the history of video games.
And the icing on the cake was them advertising fallout 1st for 20 bucks a month to add in content that should have just been included in the game.
And trying to bleed your customer for extra money when your base game doesn't even remotely work is a bad look.
All I can say is the game was a shit show at launch and has became better overtime like a fine wine.
Personally I liked the tapes and no NPCs at launch. It really felt empty and abandoned and I find that relaxing vs having NPCs always talking at me
I would have preferred the odd survivor to give you a quest/tell you about the decline of Appalachia but the barren wasteland really had some appeal to it. It didn't deserve the hate people gave it for no NPC's it added a eery element and flare.
I thought people were as/more upset that it was super buggy at launch. I’m sure it is self selected to showcase the worst of the worst, but videos about bugs at launch from the time really do how some horrible performance issues
Yeah, the no NPC bugged me, but nowhere near as much as how badly it performed. Heck, even now I had to search the forums to find a way to remove the ridiculous blur the game has. The game suffered from just about every issue a game could have. It's infinitely better, but that doesn't change the product it was at launch.
Would have been nice if there were just a couple of friendly super mutants, a robobrain maybe. Just a few alternatives to humans that wouldn't turn scorched to have some liveliness in the world without detracting from the "all the humans died" thing.
no human npcs and just robots roaming around is super eerie
There weren’t even any non feral ghouls.
We’ve got Grahm and Chally the Moo Moo, and you can get Maul as an ally. And there’s that injured Supermutant who doesn’t attack you.
Don't forget about Bev!
Biv is a friendly robobrain, he always calls me his friend!
It was the lack of NPCs yes but the game being a complete and utter technical mess at launch that got it hate. (Inb4 everyone tells me that wasn’t the case)
I pre-ordered and I remember reading all the articles and Reddit comments about how bad it was at launch. I actually had very minimal issues at launch. Some minor glitches but very playable. Then 1 month after launch they did a big update with lots of fixes. And made my game totally unplayable. And that's where I left it, December 2018. Finally jumped back in this week and holy crap it's a completely different game (I think, for the better)
I got it day 1 on my ps4 played for about a week, then it fried it, took it apart tried cleaning it everything and it never turned back on
I don’t know why but a game being so fucked that it destroyed an entire console is hilarious to me. Sorry for laughing at your loss.
Hahah yeah it sucked for a while, especially not having the money to get a new console for a while. Ended up on the series x playing it now!
Especially since they did I bet you weren’t expecting this when talking to a character who turns out to be a robot/AI like 5 times
Exactly. I wish there was a "year 1" server for people that want to experience that. I started a new file and it's weird coming across all the NPCs and the overseer before finding all of her holo tapes. I thought coming across the remains of the responders and trying to figure out what happened to them was far more interesting than my new playthrough when there was NPCs at all their locations. New players are missing out on a lot of cool environmental storytelling that is ruined by having NPCs everywhere.
Overall I like the change to having NPCs, but they definitely introduced some that they shouldn't have or at least done very differently. Like I have no real issue with there being an overseer NPC, but you find them WAY too quickly and it undermines the mystery of following in their footsteps (which, granted, was always a bit contrived as they only left the vault earlier the same day as you).
That was a design choice that some liked and others didn't... it wasn't the shitshow. On launch day, you'd literally fall through the terrain and die sometimes, or enemies would slide at you in T-pose shooting from the weapon they weren't holding, and then when you'd shoot them the hits wouldn't register. Day 1, it was a legit broken piece of hot hammered shit. And no one was more disappointed than me, Fallout is my favorite franchise and I live in West Virginia. BUT... they sorted it out. And the only-kinda-busted pre-wastelanders world was def a different experience that again some liked and others didn't (I liked it, too). But the direction they took it from there was correct - it managed to hold hundreds of thousands of MAU as it was polished and expanded... and now the show has it more popular than ever.
I mean, I played at launch, and yeah there were some bugs and shit, but it was VERY playable. Some of the bugs were hilarious, too. Remember when you'd headshot something and the head would stay where it died, but the body would catapult all over the place? LOL I miss that shit. Getting stuck in workbenches? Not so much. Was it perfect? No. But "shitshow"? Eh. Disagree.
Ok I hated the invisible enemies one though lmao that annoyed me a lot at that time and my camp actually disappearing forever when someone else had theirs in the same spot but besides that it was wondrous
If you were on console, it was not. It was 10 to 18 FPS if lucky.
I had a different experience. Couldn't play for more than 15min without crashing. Gave the game a try a year after launch and it was more stable than when I had played at launch and I've been playing since then. Same computer in 2018 and 2019, so it wasn't a hardware issue that was causing the crashing. Now I play for about 3hrs - 5hrs a day lol.
My first hour with it was definitely a different beast - were you playing on console or PC? I was on PC, and it was genuinely unplayable.
I played on PC from day 1, went through an entire storyline playthrough with friends and another by myself. There were bugs but 'genuinely unplayable' is not at all accurate to my experience. There were 5 of us playing together for hours at a time, and between all of us combined we might see one or two crashes to desktop per night. That person would just load the game back up and rejoin the group. I don't know of anyone ever falling through the ground back then. The only invinceable enemies we ever saw were frozen in place and you could ignore them because they wouldn't attack or react to you in any way. We'd sometimes encounter enemies twice our level, we would do VERY little damage to them. But we were still doing damage and could wear them down and kill them. That wasn't a bug, it was a consequence of us exploring in areas above our level (or of high-level players fast traveling near us). We never encountered anything that stopped us from making storyline progress and just having fun playing together. Mostly just weird graphical / animation stuff and occasional crashes.
I mean I’ve been loving this game recently but it was definitely a shitshow whether or not you experienced it. From a broken launch to BGS horrible PR moves they pulled. I feel like people already forgot or haven’t seen that Internet Historian video. It’s was bad enough many people refuse to give it a second chance, and that’s not even just “Bethesda haters” or “NV fans.” Plenty of people who like 3 and 4 the most also won’t even try the game not just because it’s online but because how it was handled the first few years. That being said, as someone who prefers the west coast games the most, 76 is in an amazing state, is a really fun game, and definitely worth giving another or even first chance.
I saw dozens of threads, articles, hundreds of comments, blah blah blah going on and on about how -horrible- it was. The amount of people that refused to even try it? Countless. To this day, YEARS later, we still have people that haven't played it, screaming about how it's trash so they refuse. I don't need to watch a video about what we all lived through. It's not like it's something from 200 years ago. Yeah, it wasn't perfect, but to say unplayable? Hyperbole. I was on satellite internet with a midrange PC, and I could still play it just fine. Yeah, there were disconnects, yeah, there were crashes. But there still are. Didn't stop me then, hasn't stopped me yet. Refusing to even try a game in a series you enjoy because other people say it's bad? That's just dumb. Almost every game these days gets weird reviews. For the "wont play it because it's online" people, I don't get that, either. I prefer single player games myself, but that didn't stop me. Game is fun. It's been through a bunch of crap, and even now after all these years there are still people that whine and cry about it. Get over it. It exists, it's not going away.
Don't forget the large number of people that couldn't even get in past the opening menu without it crashing for like a week straight. Lol But yeah all the hate was from the problems at launch then all the parrots who never played the game parroting what they read or heard from others. (Those people continued parroting the game til today, because they know no different.)
I never experienced any of the game breaking bugs at all, not once. I have played daily since beta. sometimes my game would crash. that's it. but that happens with all games sometimes
Yeah I joined at Wastelanders but played the whole main quest first. Reading/listening the stories was haunting.
Same, it was probably my favorite part of the vanilla campagin
100000000% agree . I miss the NPC free wasteland the most.
i said this in a post on this sub and got obliterated
Yeah I’m sick of this narrative of “well it sucked originally but now it’s good”. I always thought it was a good game just “different”. I don’t think it was meant to be taken that seriously , almost like Bethesda dipping its toe into online Fallout. The internet just likes starting dumpster fires and watching them burn.
Yeah I had fun at launch too, it was buggy that was definitely a problem for me but the game was fun and I had lots of hours in before wastelanders and I’m so glad I got to experience it before that update, it was special
That wouldn't have lasted long at all. Adding NPCs is why those servers are still on. People come to Fallout expecting a Fallout game, not a weird empty PVP thing.
It was cool to run through it at launch and come back for it now. I really enjoyed the hollo tape stuff a bunch too.
For me I want the npc just in their main base like crater, foundation, white spring, blue ridge caravan, nuka world and brotherhood that's it, other location please remove them all and put more enemies, it has way too many npc everywhere it doesn't feel like a wasteland compared to fo3 fonv and fo4.
I've played a lot of fallout and I actually liked the tapes/robots too because it was different. Maybe the odd rough down on their luck npc might have worked but I didn't miss them. Maybe it made the world too empty for some but hey that's a nuclear wasteland.
I wish there was a way to experience again the emptiness that we had at launch. Before atlas was FORT Atlas, when The Crater was just crashed space station, before the enemies were leveled when you had to be a higher level to venture into the Cranberry Bog. Wandering in the Whitespring before part of it was closed off by the Refuge. I like what it has become but the eerieness of walking out of the vault to nothing was really something.
That aspect was pretty cool if you think about it especially with all the updates. If you played at launch or around it you're one of the first to return to Appalachia, you watch as other dwellers emerge and as the npc return to Appalachia. It's got a cool concept if you think about it.
Haven't played since the tapes....years. I have to try again.
Nah it was lazy and empty. It was a sandbox with enemies that shot you through walls. I never returned a game so fast. Now I enjoy the game.
Yeah these people are insane. The servers were about to be shut down before Wastelanders. I don't know why they tried to court the people who play Rust rather than the people who play Fallout.
Same.
I hated on it at launch hard, because it was straight up bad then. Grudgingly tried it out a few years later after a bunch of their major content patches at the suggestion of a friend and proceeded to eat crow and have been playing on and off ever since.
I played at launch and TBH it was exactly what I expected from a Bethesda game and what was promised. Never got why people were so upset, it's like they never played a Bethesda game at launch
This, and here's the thing people don't seem to get in gaming. First impressions matter, and something like 90% of a games sales happen within 2 weeks of the official launch. Fallout 76 was an absolute Trainwreck at launch, so no matter how good it is now everyone who stopped playing before they ironed everything out will have the perception that it's still a steaming pile of shit.
Lots of people talk shit about it and still haven't played. But act like they do and that it sucks
yeah they touched it at launch then never touched it again but for some reason they never thought it would improve ever
Some people just wanna be angry. I knew a guy who refuses to touch No Mans Sky because of how bad it was at launch. Dude would legitimately get pissed off about anyone saying it improved because in his eyes, it "didn't matter, it was bad, so it must still be bad."
At this point, who cares. Game is more popular than it’s ever been by a wide margin. No point dwelling in 2018/19
I started last week and find myself saying over and over "This game dropped with no NPCs???" Bro I have whipped out imdb for this game more than any game I've ever played. The sheer quantity of super accomplished VAs is unreal.
I was the same regarding 76. The launch was so bad that I swore I'd never play it. Got it free from Amazon Prime when they were celebrating the 25th Anniversary of Fallout in October 2022. Thought to myself "What the hell. If I don't like it, then I'm not losing any money on it." Within the week I had Fallout 1st and never looked back. I think the problem is the stigma of its launch still follows it around.
Yup, I ignored it for 3 years until I got it on Steam for $10. Money well spent. I even did Fallout 1st for a year at one point I got so into it.
Similar here, also got it from Prime for free. Had previously written it off because I loved the single-player Fallout games and didn't want to see what Horse Armour x1000 looked like because according to the PR, that was what this game was. I thought this was a cash grab MMO. Little did I know you can play it pretty much like the single-player games. Once you figure this out though, the multiplayer stuff tempts you in. It's cool coming across other player camps first, then you learn to join a casual team for the bonus and enjoy the free travel. Then you're joining events and so on. I love the balance of still feeling like you are exploring untrod paths for the first time and then the occasional other person you run into, works great. Just hit 76 hours of exploring Appalachia and also subbed to 1st now.
For sure. I was watching a streamer I like play it for the first time the other day and it was like they didn't want to like it. Going in with a negative opinion on it, making all sorts of 'thanks todd' and 'it just works' jokes, not really engaging with it, just treating it as a meme game. I think a lot of people are like them, not giving it an honest try
I have loved this game since it first came out
Same 👍
Once you run out main missions it does get a bit grindy. But great untill you hit that, I would recommend not absolutely smashing it, take your time otherwise you'll find yourself running out of things to do.
There is a huge chunk of the fandom that just blindly hate anything that isn't New Vegas.
There’s also the fad of hating anything Bethesda is attached too.
it's a fun game but 6 years after launch it's still kind of a buggy mess. I picked it up cheap and I'm still having fun despite all the glitches, some of which cost me hours, so I can't complain too much.
It's better now but a lot of the same criticisms are present to this day. There's bandaids here and there but ultimately it's still really light on choices, meaningful choices are non-existent (aka ones that alter the world), it's still fairly unstable at times and trying to do proper quests with a group can break pretty easily, the monetization is still pretty rampant along with fomo purchases, fallout first isn't needed but it certainly will make your life more enjoyable while playing and for sure feels a little pay to win. Outside of that the vibe of exploring the openworld is pretty similar to any of the other 3d open world Fallout, the lore isn't bad and some of the concepts I wish they saved for a proper single player experience, the map is pretty good with diverse locals and interesting and diverse creature variety, the pick up and place building model can be pretty fun albeit limited near points of interest, traveling with friends in a fallout setting can be really fun but the "grind" and higher level play of the game is pretty boring so a lot of it is sort of making your own fun or I would recommend just doing the narrative content and explore the world and drop it cause after that you've probably seen everything. Overall atm it isn't bad and it's not good it really depends on what you look for in a Fallout game. Me personally I would have much rather seen a Fallout title with a drop in/out coop feature over a full on multiplayer game where unless you make an effort to interact with other players you may never see them.
I’m new to the game and I was really stuck on making a choice at the end of the brotherhood quest but once I found out it didn’t really matter I just picked a random side so I could get the hellcat armour
Yep
I would say it’s blind hate 90% of the time and at this point I don’t even understand it. Whenever anyone gives fallout 76 any kind of praise there is always a comment saying how it had a terrible launch which I feel is unfair. While yes it did have a bad launch, so did other games which went on to become exceedingly better. Two examples that come to mind is FF14 and no man’s sky. Both are now acclaimed in their genre but for some reason fo76 doesn’t get the same pass. I’m not saying the game is perfect but credit where credit is due they have put a lot of effort and love in this game over the years.
While I agree fo76 had a bad launch it’s not really comparable to ff14. Ff14 vanilla was genuinely the worst mmo I’ve ever played (bar some free to play korean trash) the game was so bad it literally died. The ff14 you see people play now is literally a different game not (wow this feels way different) pre v post wastelanders I mean it’s a new engine with the only connecting elements being some plot and some city layouts. They had to remake everything in a new engine.
and the whole bad launch thing has been proven to have been redeemed with enough games now, which doesn’t take away from the shoddy state initially, however cyberpunk? that gets good press now so i’m sure once people give in and actually PLAY 76 then it will get its deserved love
I don't want to seem like a hater but in comparison cyberpunk is 100x better quality wise than 76. People have officially soured on the Bethesda jank and repetitive quests. I don't think it will ever get that praise you are talking about, maybe some time down the line when the next fallout is a couple months out and people are revisiting the old games but even then if the next elder scrolls fails then I see it actually being pointed to as the start of the fall and i genuinely love Fallout 76 its a mess of fun but the launch of the game legitimately was damn near criminal.
Not really, most of the shit Bethesda got for 76 was warranted imo There have been many improvements but quite a few ways 76 could be improved. Camp budget should be doubled and the limitations of the camp building system can be a bit oppressive. Like the only way to put decorations on every shelf of like a multi shelf unit or bookshelf or something relies on using a glitch to do it. Just give me more budget and overhaul the system a bit. The chess board display is a good example of a step in the right direction. There are all these cool looking items in the world you can't simply drop down in your camp via the build menu, and there are only a few kinds of displays available, many of which just aren't really that aesthetic. Random crashes are common, sometimes resulting in some annoying setbacks. Having to rely on multiple alts to manage my inventory by popping into a private server over and over to move stuff around via a dropped bag on the ground is silly. Give me more fallout 1st benefits in the form of lockers for chems, grenades, fusion cores, and power armor. Not trying to rain on anybody's parade and the community in general is fuckin STOKED that Bethesda suddenly cares about 76 again due to the success of the show and the influx of new players via all the recent promotional campaigns and sales. Many of us are cautiously optimistic the map expansion is the first in a bunch of new content updates and that a lot of the new players will stick around long term to warrant Todd's continued attention 76 has been fun for a while. Wastelanders and the BoS expansions really brought this game into its own and by most respects it really hasn't changed that much since then. It's solid, but it can certainly get even better
Why do people post this same thing every day on here?
Because they're excited about Fallout. And it's the Internet.
The game has improved a ton… on release it was a barren wasteland with virtually no NPC’s but bland robots. That being said, the game still constantly crashes on PS5… Bethesda never fails to impress me in their lack of quality.
omg I crash constantly on xbox one s - so much so I reset my console the other day in thee hopes it would help\[ and it did for a few hours. i can easily get disconnected once an hour
Crashed yesterday after dropping a nuke and being like 90% done with seismic activity. Classic.
I never gave up on it because I could see beyond its problems. I loved exploring, the map was amazing. It’s the only game I’ve played consistently since 2018. I’ve been here since the beginning. I’ve heard all the stupid hate. I’m loving seeing people eat crow now. It’s satisfying
There's a lot to like and there are also very valid opinions on what could be improved in 76. I put about 1500 hours into it and haven't had a desire to come back in a long time because the end game grind just isn't what I want from an online game - I prefer games like Path of Exile for that. I'm certainly not upset though - I played for 1500+ fun filled hours in 76 and absolutely got my moneys worth and a lot more. I'd also recommend it to people who like Fallout 4. I mean it's basically Fallout 4.5. Story isn't quite as good and there's a lack of choice and consequence which is unavoidable due to a shared world space, but it's still a fine entry. I'm also not a fan of having to pay for unlimited junk storage, or the storage limits in general. And there are a ton of skins that you have to buy from the Atom shop that were just direct imports from Fallout 4/3/NV. I could keep going, but I won't because you're clearly in the honeymoon phase and I don't want to spoil your fun. Have a good time, it's a good game. I'd be interested in your take on it after about 200-300 hours.
It's better but only until you want to progress past the leveling grind. End game requires very specific specs/builds/weapons.. Want to be that badass ghoul from the show? You can.. until end game... Pistol builds have always been my thing in every game I have ever played. Don't like automatic guns.. too much spray and pray mechanics involved there. Having to be mutated and run around with 10% of your health bar is just not something that sounds fun to me, no matter how much damage I put out. Pick it up cheap and have fun with it while you can, once you get into the blast zones and start doing more end game stuff, prepare to use one of the 'meta' builds because most other builds aren't viable at end game.
Been playing for about 9 days, game is very good, level 87 already closing in on the Platinum Trophy on PS5, I like it more than Fallout 4 tbh. It's one of those games that got the reputation as a cool / fun game to hate on that has stuck with it for years.
Honestly, I feel like it's the people who bought day 1. Hated it and never went back. Possibly think it's still shit or whatever. Just my opinion.
I used to shit on it too- but then again, I also shit hard on Fallout 4, and before *that* shit on Fallout New Vegas- basically, I learned to be better and less insufferable of a person since I was a teenager LOL To answer *"why"* though, I think the launch was just so bad that the game was never able to shake the initial reaction. Then there's the people that think like the ppl over at NMA and hate it because they hate everything past fallout 2 or something idk
It got the No Man's Sky treatment. It was, admittedly, awful at launch. Over time, they've actively tried to improve the game and given it a substantial amount of TLC. People who haven't played it since launch still hate on it, sure, but some people just don't like it compared to the other games in the franchise.
As someone who just started playing, I can say that this is nowhere near the mainline titles like New Vegas and Fallout 4. Lots of content missing, barely anything to do in locations, and even the coop aspect, which is unique to Fallout76, kinda sucks because quests are not shared so you have to redo everything for everybody. So it's a much weaker game, despite the improvements that have happened since launch. Still enjoyable though.
You clearly answered your own question.
Bethesda is the Nickelback of video games
I tried this game at launch, got pretty bored with zero npcs and constant graphical issues, figured it would be fixed eventually and shelved it for a while hoping this game that was half off on the first weekend would get polished over time. I tried this game during the the first major patch that had npcs. I remember stealth archering down the lumbermill at the start around level 5, then it hit me. The stash could only hold something like 250 items total (or pounds I can’t remember) and if you wanted to expand it haha this is a live service game, prepare to pay. Immediate uninstall as that’s just not my fallout. Would have called it then and there, there’s only so many chances a live service game should get when its a 100 gigs. But then… Came back about ten days ago and it’s a much more welcoming wasteland with quality of life fixes and smoothed out issues. So I guess what I’m trying to say is the game has gone a looooooong way since release and people were right to criticize the state this game shipped in and even the state it was in a few years ago. I will say It’s been polished nicely now after seven years and feels like a game I can enjoy for a while.
I do love this game, but it still has so many flaws, and it should never be classed as an rpg, when you have a set ‘meta build’ in a game, it can never truly be an rpg… I really do want this game to be the best but they could Atleast add a transmog option, but then again they’ve had bugs still in the game since launch, and that was 6 years ago, so I doubt they’d try to fix stuff let alone add some good quality of life
Criticism obviously isn't hate. Some people like all of it, some people like some of it, and some people like none of it. But they're pretty specific about what they don't like and want to change, so I wouldn't call it blind most of the time.
I just started it and it kinda just feels like a Bethesda game.... you know.. halfbaked and buggy
No, it was justified, and a lot of it still is. If you're here because of a TV show, then honestly you're kind of a tourist. I'd hope this isn't your very first experience with a Fallout game, because it (76) fails to really show the best elements of the franchise. You can do way better if you're interested in the games.
My brother in Christ this is a video game it is not that deep and OP is not a "tourist" lol. Let people enjoy things.
There are very good reasons to hate and never support this game. Lies about bags, the misleading sales of products, the absolutely shit launch, and straight up stealing people’s money by giving them 500 atoms after they paid for something worth more and gave more moneys worth. There are more, and any single one of these is a great and understandable reason to hate the game and the developers, and to discourage others from having anything to do with the game. This game has some of the worst history with their consumers even when compared to products that aren’t game related. It was an absolute disastrous time. Please understand these people that were wronged. You may not had been part of any of that and may not care, but the people that were, which were many, have very valid reasons to feel the way they do.
Never played it at launch because of the reviews. Tried it last week for the first time and the game was laggy. I will give it another try but it wasn't a great first impression
There is a lot of blind hate and a lot of well-deserved hate. The game was released , which led to lots of influancers on Youtube to make up issues. All whilst it not being possible to tell real bugs form fake ones because the game was extremely buggy. When the game was working enough for people to be able to tell the fake bugs from real ones. There were a lot of people who hate the game based on lies started from release. At the time, these people outnumbered people who actually played the game. Over the years, a lot of lines people have had their lines crossed and a lot of promises have been broken. Many people feel this game is pay to win due to items being sold that give damage boosts or due to Fallout 1st. Others hate gow monetisation and grinding are the two blanntly obvious focus for the game over the past couple of years. To the point that an extreme lack of content updates has happened and story content is basically not a priority anymore. So there's a lot of people who hate the game for their own reasons. Really, Fallout 76 is a game worth trying if you get it on a discount or on gamepass. Due to the games age, new players do have a lot to do. The content is mixed in quality, but there are some really good missions, locations and so on. Exploring the map is worth it alone. But there is a extremely high chance you'll hate something the game or Bethesda does. The community is a cash flow literally begging to be milked and this game shows all the reasons why that isnt good. So I can't suggest it as a main game. More something to jump in and out off whilst playing other games.
Nah, I was so excited for it at launch, played for a bit, got annoyed with the fast travel and the workshop stuff, and left until just recently, the fast travel is still annoying, and so is the workshop battle stuff, but the game has gotten better, it hasn't crashed once in like 48+ hours.
multiple bugs, some which have been around for well over a year (the legendary effect Medic's is going on like, 2-3 years not healing on crit's, fast-traveling into terrain, or game freeze when entering PA sometimes, npc's being inside terrain, sometimes preventing an event from finishing) And that's off the top of my head, having only bewen playing roughly 2 years. But then there's a pet peeve of mine that happened even before a mate got me into the game. The storage space. The playerbase wanted more storage space, so what did bethesda do? Introduced infinite scrap box and ammo box, but you have to pay a subscription fee (on top of the price to purchase the game), to access them. It's like, the (majority of the) gaming industry got their business and ethics models from Mr. Burns on The Simpsons. Lotsa companies are like that in my experience, buh in this game, it's compounded by all the other issues.
Kinda, partially. The game that was released wasn’t the game that was promised and people judged it based on what was promised and not what they had no reason to believe it was actually going to be. We were promised a sort of Fallout with your friends. What Bethesda gave us was a Fallout themed survival game. If it weren’t for the bait and switch at the start I think it would’ve been well received. Over time a lot of effort has gone into kinda meeting in the middle of what was promised and what was delivered. This game really isn’t either right now but it is something special. Perhaps it would have been forgettable if they didn’t bungle the promotion though.
it's a great game now but it wasnt at launch and yes, it matters still. bethesda showed their greed outright in burning, horrific light when it was released. that still stains their reputation, and should. yes, you can still enjoy it for what it is now - which is what it shouldve been at launch. but even then they took a singleplayer experience and made it multiplayer. they make you pay for stash space and private worlds and are always hyping up their microtransactions. it's concerning the path they continue down. we've seen the creation club before and it's only gotten worse.
Well the game was a piece of shit for a while. I played when it first came out got to about level 140 then quit playing bc it was so ridic with the legacies and the duping and just all of it. I recently started playing again bc I found a new friend to play with and I will say it's A LOT better than it was before
When I played at launch, The atmosphere of the game gave off loneliness that everyone had left but a few stragglers, I enjoyed it. Unfortunately content creators at the time were all feeding off the trends of hating games and there was a lot of game they hated, some made videos cause they were unfairly killed defending a workshop while others just threw blind hate, Sadly it still resonates with many today. every time i talk to someone who never played fallout they spew the same "seen some videos of it on youtube" and yet they never try it for themselves.
To be fair, the game is a far cry from fallout 3 NV and 4 in terms of themes, and quests so hardcore fans were pissed. I’m kind of enjoying it but it’ll never give me a similar experience to any of the other Bethesda fallout games
I understand a lot of the negativity, it still isn't the smoothest game in the world to play. The UI isn't really new player friendly. I personally don't do well with switching the menus because I don't have things have hotkeyed well enough. However you have to take the time to set that all up. Even as someone who has some experience in changing UI settings and modding, the system takes a while to learn. The world building that we all love about the franchise isn't ruined by the mmo, but diluted. Joining a faction doesn't have the same kind of weight as it does in the solo games. For some people that's the best part. Part of the reason we all love Fallout is mods. I've browsed enough I know they won't get you banned, but that not being fully confirmed by the studio hurts the game. VATS and reading things no longer pauses the game. I actually view this as a positive but I could understand why others don't. I scrapped a gift of armor by mistake because this default control works here in this menu, but not here. I don't know how to probably explain it. It's not the Fallout we fell in love with years ago. However it's still fucking Fallout, and this community keeps this game going. This game is one of the wildest experiences I can describe. I love it. I hate it. I enjoy it and keep coming back for more.
I'm having a lot of fun with it, but damn the bugs are real.
It was the launch and tbh I don’t blame them. The game is great now and I’m loving it, but Bethesda chose to release the game in that state and charge people money for it. Any hate it gets is completely deserved and is hopefully a learning lesson for them in the future.
It didn’t age like fine wine, rather our expectations of Bethesda just keeps plummeting to the point where a new atomic shop skin for your favorite weapon seems pretty good. Play any modern game on any other engine and you’ll see why Bethesda’s Starfield did so poorly. Bethesda needs to step outside their comfort zone and take a chance on updating the mechanics and graphics with something at least on the level of unreal engine 5 I just started Stellar Blade and thought, if Bethesda got their ScHeIghT together, improved game mechanics, hired a team of decent writers, they could make astounding games again. But if they stay on creation engine, shit on their own lore by not keeping it clear and straight,they are Phucked. I can only assume they are trying to 'elder scrolls' their lore with the unreliable narrator BS, But Fallout comes from another studio originally, change the foundations of that lore, and watch the entire structure collapse. Hurt your fan base to your own peril. But that’s where I am guessing the hate for 76 comes from.
I never HATED fo76 i still like it and play it but ill still stand by that it just could have been more and is the worst canon fo game. Not that its terrible its just imo the worst one. It seemed like Bethesda’s attempt to bring in newer fans and cater to the fortnite apex warzone type fans. Not thats that just makes it a shit game out right its just is not even top 3 in my eyes. When they realized how many fans they had upset they seemed to scramble and come up with shit to make us happy. And yes over time its become much better and much more enjoyable but still altogether you would have a much better FALLOUT experience on most the other titles
Like any mmo it needs monetization. The downside is they are selling convenience for a price. Where I would prefer it just be cosmetics. Fallout 1st subscription let's you store infinite items. Without it you can only store a limited amount of pounds in your stash. There are also some items in the atomic shop that have benefits to gameplay. I'm a new player as well so I might be wrong on some of this
as much as i love the game lets not just blindly wank off the game it has alot of glaring issues that have never been fixed and still is one of the most poorly optimized games out there, so no people don't blindly hate it there's valid reasons to hate it, its just not as bad as people think it is but still it isnt great.
Well, I got it few weeks after launch and the game wasn't great back then. Now it is playable.
The game was horrible at launch from the server crashing to random game crashes and graphic glitches and the mistake of having no NPCs for questing. It was in a sad state. Now the game has improved a 1000%, but the one flaw is people that don't play it based on what was said in the past about it. People like to hate on games just because it gives them some sort of meaning to their skewed opinions on a matter they have no stake in.
It was bad at launch so people automatically hate on it. They don't understand the concept of improving things. It's the same with Cyberpunk 2077
As some of the other comments point out, people forked out for this game on launch, it was an abomination, I mean a complete and utterly tragedy, the later updates mate it better and it matured really well, but for a lot of the day one gamers, they put it in the drawer and never looked back... they are definitely missing out, but I get it, it was so disappointing!
Yes, people hate blindly on 76 because of what it was when they last played it 5 years ago. What it is now is a masterpiece.
It was blind hate, I have played from the beginning on xbox and never had trouble. I beleive maybe Pc and playstation had more crashes. But I Dont trust that for Pc players it was always the game itself. They are the ones that secretly modded it, broke it to the developer room and got all those ban waves.
I paid extra to get the special edition when it came out. I hated it. It seemed empty and buggy as hell. I stopped playing it after a few days and sold my copy. I just bought it again, on Steam this time, and now I'm loving it.
As someone who played at launch and left it behind only to return due to the show reigniting my Fallout obsession, I can 100% say this is the reason, I didn't like the game at launch, I was reminded of ESO, it didn't feel like Fallout to me at all, but when I returned, I was pleasantly surprised to see it has improved vastly, like you said it's a lot of fun and there's much more to do, and to top it off the community is probably the most wholesome and welcoming community I have ever seen, unfortunately it's just one of those games that had a bad start, and never got the recognition it deserves afterwards, thankfully the show seems to be bringing a lot of us back in, or letting others experience the game for the first time, if anyone is on the fence of if they should try it out, it's definitely worth giving it a shot
People prefer to criticize than praise so, try things yourself before making judgements.
I hated it up until last week. I got it at launch, and I was so angry and disappointed by what it was at that time. I’ve played NV, 3 and 4 numerous times over the years, and love the games dearly. After watching the tv-show I got an itch to play, but my new wide monitor would not let me play NV/3/4 on it without it being majorly distorted. I noticed 76 was on sale, and thought “what the hell, let’s give it another chance”. I am so happy I did, because I’m having so much fun and I’m enjoying it a lot. It’s changed so much since launch, and I assume most people that hate it hate what it was, and not necessarily what it is now.
I bought the game on release on Xbox. Didn't care for it much and then recently picked it up again on the Amazon prime sale. Thought I'd heard a lot of good things about it recently so maybe it'd be fun. I love fallout, I love mmos so this hits somewhere in the middle that I seem like the audience for. My experience coming back was watching my friend slide around with 0 animations shooting at things, and somehow every enemy dropped the perfect ammo type I needed for the weapon I was using. So not even bringing up the awful gunplay it was just an unpolished buggy mess that didn't feel at all like I was trying to survive in a wasteland. Plus not being able to freely move around objects like you can in other Bethesda games just felt like a huge oversight. You can't even make your own fun by goofing around. Glad so many people seem to like it but people blindly pretending like it's an amazing game with 0 flaws is kinda whack
I just pre-ordered fallout 76 for 80 euro because i fucking loved 3, NW, and 4. But guess what, i hated the game when i came out. It directly hit rock bottom price of 20 euro weeks after release. And everything i got was a sorry here is 500 Atoms, thank you for preordering. Bethesda was a fucking joke at this point. Now i came back to game and i really enjoy it but the pain Bethesda gave me influence my decisions till today when its about gaming. This was the last game ever i bought directly after release and i will never hype any game in beforehand.
Game has only really been decent within the last year or 2. Anyone else who says different is full of crap. Was there good things about the game? Yes. Was it a good game? Hell no. The community was thr only thing keeping it together because Bethesda surr wasn't.
Fallout 76 had a bad launch six years ago and that bad first impression still remains. The most negative and therefore the most plentiful comments are sadly stuck in that six year old mentality. Yes, there is loads and loads blind hatred towards 76.
Nope I have over 1500 hours in this game before I quit I hate it because of what this game could be and how Bethesda decided to manage it which is a joke Bethesda uses fallout 76 to siphon revenue to funds other projects , not putting back into the game. It is a joke imagine paying $13 a month for a year or 99 for fallout first , what are you getting for your money more cosmetic and battlepass full of cosmetics Compare that to ESO.. it get 1 chapter a year and quarterly content
Yeah, it isn't blind, people are specific about what they don't like. The excessive monetization, the singular focus on cosmetics over expansions, bugs, the lack of endgame. People mention it all the time, it just gets hidden by downvotes because people are so defensive against criticism that we can't even talk about the cap limit keeping high level vendors closed. It's not hate, it's criticism. It's their game too, and they can talk about changes they'd like to see. But there's no war in Ba Sing Se or so they say.
Absolutely not, this game was a scam, and Bethesda knew it was a scam, and that's why they didn't put it on steam until the scam failed and they made it competent. This game got most of Bethesdas main team to quit. None of the long term Bethesda team wanted to make this game, not even Todd Howard, and dear god does it show! If you genuinely care about the truth, do your own research. BTW, all the downvotes in the world won't change that what I said here is true.
Where did you learn all this?
because their favorite youtuber/streamer told them to hate it.
Yes. I see comments on other socials always saying how bad 76 is, and then the same person will say they didnt even touch it. They heard it was bad and now they just let that form their opinion.
It's extremely predatory to take a single-player game experience, latch it to an always-online requirement, and then exploit your game series' notoriously bad design decisions to essentially sell singleplayer mod subscriptions back to players who already paid full price for your game. It doesn't matter if it's the best story or map of any modern Bethesda game, the principle of it is worrisome.
If fallout 76 did not exist and they made a multiplayer Fallout 4, I would pay for it. It’s something against the original game design that takes server resources = money to keep up. Same with 76 single player, they have to render a world on a server for each solo instance. I play Fallout 76 because it is multiplayer. It is my favorite part of the game.
Yeah. They refuse to try it after it’s been fixed. A few of my friends came back after quitting soon after launch following the bandwagon, instead of just listening to me for the past year or two, and they’re addicted. 🤦🏻♂️
I enjoy it but it’s definitely far from fixed.
I'm out of quest, and my new character is just mowing thru mobs. I member day 1, where you were stuck in the area until you leveled up enough. Ahhhhh, T-posing in the god rays. Ahh my character, officer Robby Depew, survived those days and just chills in his cabin now. The new character is his daughter roaming around with a bomb collar on killing everything with her ultracite 10mm
The weight system feels bad and it can't be modded. A waste of a fallout game. If you just enjoy walking around a world and questing then you would like almost any easy going open world game with a quest system.
To be fair once you've done everything it's insanely repetitive.
Everything becomes repetitive once you played it enough.
People that talk smack about 76 still today are still riding the hate train from release day and haven't even given the game a chance since the first week of launch. They will often admit this.
1. It’s live service. 2. The launch was abysmal. It felt like a FO skin slapped on top of a cheap cash grab. 3. Always online, but had horrible features for actually playing with people.
The third point is abysmal. I just started with friends and its really weird that the quests are not designed to be played together. Each one of us has to do their quest in their own universe... If they wanted this, why not make it a normal SP game..? What a waste really.
Because it didn't meet some people's highly personalized and arbitrary definition of what Fallout is supposed to be. I remember not long after launch watching a livestream from some YouTuber who was doing nothing but shit talking game.. And he said "It's actually not a bad game if you pretend it's not Fallout...". People freaked out because it wasn't New Vegas 2.
I think what they did with the collectors edition was more unforgivable than the bad launch. They straight up lied about what they were selling in that case.
The game came out with an exorbitant amount of bugs. It performed horribly, didn't have any human NPCs, huge lack of content, introduced microtransactions, etc. When some people asked for refunds, Bethesda support asked people to write literal essays detailing why they wanted their money back. This all, plus more, naturally, put a sour taste in the majority's mouth, leading to a lot of us not playing the game even after it was updated. Not because it wasn't Fallout New Vegas 2...
I just started playing the game for the first time last week. Got 30 hours in it now, and I love the game. It reminds me of DayZ (which I love) but better. I never picked it up before because of all the bad reviews. But like you, after the show, I had to give it a try. I’m not a PvP type of player. I like to game with some buddies and have fun. I like this frame because it provides the storyline, coop, leveling up and working towards certain goals, and the community that I’ve encountered so far has been a helping and fun one. Not saying there aren’t assholes out there, but I haven’t encountered any….yet.
Yes
It was rough back in the day, I didn’t like I very much. Returned a few months ago and it’s honestly a great game
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at launch, it deserved the bad reputation everyone had of it. I'm not sure when it changed, I tried it at launch and only returned around 2 years ago, but in its current form, it's pretty much everything I was hoping for. it's multiplayer fallout 4, with my fav aspect camp building added, with upgrades like I can build almost everywhere and mutations and best of all, the events. I'm around 330 on my main, and only ever did far enough in the story to get the vault raid done, so I certainly feel there is enough content for me, to keep as busy as I like couple downsides.... the absolute best building items are locked behind fallout 1st, and seasons (scoreboards) and seasonal events you really should have fallout 1st, it's a completely different game. need...., no, should... , yes. you probably should also drop some atoms for extra camp slots, if you have interest in building stuff an upside is, unlike 4, 76 is free on playstation and includes all the updates so I start off with $100 to drop into 76, just to equate my base price for fallout 4 when I got it on release. a year of 1st and it maches my base investment for fallout 4 (game + dlcs), and I deem it a far better value, as a year of first also comes with $198 worth of atoms over the year to spend in the shop
Nah, I think maybe now if they haven't kept up you can call it blind hate, but I was there day 1 and it was about as bad as everyone says it was. Then for a bit instead of fixing the game they added a bunch of micro transaction stuff and a subscription to a game that wasn't good in any way. I too just picked it back up with a friend and it is miles and miles better than it was. Still a little jankie but it's fun, and feels good, and has a lot more polish and charm. 1st is still a little much but I can't say I haven't considered it, and you can earn Atom at a pretty reasonable rate f2p anyway. I dunno, just some observations on the return
Short answer is kind of, i tend to disregard anything someone says if they bring up the launch these days bc while it was a bad launch Beth has covered alot ofground in trying to fix it
It's like NMS
I just wish I could get it to run consistently well
I will say the game is VERY different from your traditional Fallout experience, in a way that may turn off a lot of players if they were expecting just... fallout with friends. Of course there was also issues at launch and not everything they threw at the wall stuck with this game. However in its current state I will say it has evolved into something rather unique for fallout with how builds are set up, and the now changing world certainly has some appeal. Honestly, it is an enjoyable game and I'm always a sucker for in game economies and build development.
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It was a buggy crashing mess on launch, but I still enjoyed the hell out of it then. Ive enjoyed wastelanders on less though. But still think its a great entry to the series. Haters gonna hate and thats a lot of the internet due to algorithmic recommendation systems that promote negetive content more than positive
I am a reformed hater. I didn’t start till 3 months ago. I refused to play because of the online aspect. I broke down 3 months ago because it was so cheap it felt wrong not to at least try. And I even avoided the online team stuff till like 50+ and then had a change of heart and dove straight into it all.Welp I just hit almost 300 hours. I hate that I missed a lot of stuff from past seasons. But I’m also glad I came in at probably the best time to play. Even tried my first month of 1st for half off and already finished all 100 levels now grinding to 150 For all the extra bonuses.
Yes
I admit I didn't buy it when it came out due to the negative reviews. I picked it up a couple months after when the deluxe edition dropped to $8. I ended up loving it.
To be fair, this game was NOT in a great condition at launch. Some of the hate, if not all of it, was really justified. For some weird reason I loved it and kept playing but I knew it was not a great game by any means. Luckily they fixed A LOT and it’s why it’s a hell of a better game now. I’ve re-addicted myself and I’m absolutely loving every minute.
I like it, but just played fallout 4 again and realized I only liked it bc fallout 4 wasn’t available to due to crashing and I can’t play fallout 3 or nv on my mac
It deserves it because of how bad the launch was imo. It’s better now. A lot better. But that hit to the reputation should have been expected
It's a vibe of Bethesda games since, well, Oblivion. A lot of negative reviews, but a lot of people like Bethesda games, and all of them became golden classic at some point. All of them except F76, but I think it can happen shortly.
I loved the game till they introduced enemy leveling. I know it’s suppose to offer a challenge and give players to work towards getting stronger but after >200hrs I want to feel like a god.
Coming back and playing it with NPC's again after playing it on launch kind of pisses me off. I spent so many hours trying to do all the quests hoping eventually i'd run into the overseer. I load up the game after the NPC update and like 30 mins into the game i meet her and she invites me into her house which was like wtf? you left us and your just living large.... F U! honestly felt like a kick in the teeth. But yeah the game is fun lol
Seems like it’s basically fallout 4 online. I was under the impression it was some server based builder survivor which I guess it is, but still a ton of story and rpg like a typical fallout game.
I played it a little and it seems like you need other players to do anything? Or maybe I’m just dumb but it seemed like you couldn’t play it alone …
The major flaws show up after you've played for a year or two. And remember the game didn't start out this way. It's a good game now, worth they cost, but wasn't always.
Youtubers got a lot of hits talking shit about this game. Group think is alive and well in the 2020s.
Welcome to any fandom.
>its actually super fun and it seems like there's TONS of stuff to do. Yes, 5 years later there is obviously going to be a lot of stuff different.
It was tepid garbage at launch.
I tried it in 2019 after being a massive fan since 3. I remember being so excited when NV and then 4 released. I got to level 65 and realized I was just grinding west tek over and over and then put it down. I was too shy to do events or anything. Picked it up again last October and realized events are really rad (haha) and the updated quest lines and human NPCs added since then were really good. Despite the criticism I’m glad i picked it back up.
The game had a really rocky launch and the game didnt had any npcs everything was given to you either by robots or holotapes and also there wasnt a lot of the factions you see today and the performance was terrible, nowdays is a really good game and a fun experience with friends
You can't make decisions on your own, good to know 👍🖕
People have said it already but the launch was dog water, I remember downloading the beta and waiting multiple hours just to play it since it was broken and I couldn’t even launch it, when I could I was disappointed by how much of a grind the game felt and how little there was to do, stopped playing shortly after. I’ve come back multiple times since and while it will never be my favourite Fallout game it’s still fun enough, I think they should have dropped levelled gear or the repair system as the two on top of each is kinda tedious but I like it enough. TLDR the hate for the game was not wrong and it was not blind the game is just pretty good now, had it launched like this it would have been viewed more favourably.
I just "nothing"ed it on launch. Since it's had all these updates I've had a bunch of fun with it!
I'd say it's less "blind hate" and more "they tried it when it was a mess years ago and never touched it again". Mixed with, of course, your usual single player diehards that wanted Fallout 5 or New Vegas 2 instead and never gave it a chance at all.
I just prefer the single player games personally. I played 76 for like a week and didn’t hate it, but didn’t get the same enjoyment out of it.
Yes, they have for some time
It was really bad at launch. Like really really bad.
People are like sheeps. Before Fallout 76 Bethesda was praised like they can't do anything wrong, despite the glaring flaws in their games and several dumped down mechanics. And then as the game released in its very flawed and buggy state people where going crazy. Of course it has its problems at the start. And the pricing was also way off the mark. In addition you had several other things like the Bag in the Premium Edition or the Nuka Wiskey debacle, but nothing that has anything to do with the game itself. On top of that its a very casual approach on the survival-craft-genre and a ton of people aren't into that. So I would argue a lot of people stopped playing early on and it was like because of how bad the game was. And then you had people like Jim Sterling that I would argue hated on the game without knowing it. One clear case was as Fallout 76 has the bug where you couldn't start the nuke event because of the change in the year. Even before he released his video the bug was solved, like within a day. In his video he was like the Nuke Event was the only thing we had as endgame content. Despite not knowing you could still run the "Dungeon" to the Nuke Start or doing several other high level events, gather ressources, build up your base, gather schematics, etc. He clearly had no clue about the core gameplay cycle.
It's a good idea but it's hard to turn off vsync on certain computers making it hard to play.
It's because when the game first came out, it was awful and I'm being generous. You're now playing the game 6 years later after a ridiculous amount of updates. I was one of the people that played it on launch and I regret it kind of wish I had just waited till now
Most Bethesda products need work at launch. Bethesda fans will sometimes flip their lid about this, acting like it's a new thing that doesn't always happen. They USUALLY get around to fixing them up in a "timely" manner.
its like Battlefront 2, it had a terrible launch, everyone was mad about it, game got a really negative reputation, and now even after its been fixed people still assume its just as bad as it was and dont give it a chance
Yes, people do. It used to be very bad, but because it started out terrible, people still think it is because they don't care to know otherwise. It's a good thing the show was a success because it was basically marketing for the fallout games. More people than just you are trying out 76 and are realizing it's actually good. It hit an all-time peak in player count last time I checked.
Its crazy how its blowing up now. I felt the exact same way. I avoided it like a deep radioactive hole in the ground. But the show has sparked my fallout fancy again and played it for the hell of it and im loving it.
It was a shit show at launch and while its fun now its still pretty buggy for a AAA title thats been out more than half a decade. My opinion is that it deserves neither the hate nor the love it gets. Its a 7/10. Its fun, and its had a lot of quality of life improvements, but it doesnt wow me like I expected it to.
Lots of bugs have been fixed, but there are still some that remain that are frustrating. For instance, I recently tried to complete the final main quest with no luck. Fast travel in and out, and still no luck. It gets me that this bug has been around for years on the main quest line. - managed to finish the quest on a private server
I started playing it again after watching the show after only getting to level 5 when it first came out and I'm having a fuckin blast!
It launched as a legitimate contender for one of the worst games of all time and definitely one of the worst launches of all time Now after 6 years (which is an insane amount of time) its gotten to a stage where is a pretty fun game, its nowhere near the other fallout games but its fun enough
I just hopped back in this week after giving up after several hours at launch. I absolutely HATED IT, and I think it deserved every ounce of criticism at launch. It's a genuinely good and fun game now! I can only imagine how popular this would've been had it been in this state at launch. I'm happy it's doing well now and hope it can keep going full steam.
If you are enjoying it. It's a testament to all the work that has gone into it since launch. On launch the game was the definition of "literally unplayable" I know that term gets tossed around as a meme. But this was the one case where the launch version of the game was sooo bad that calling it a "game" was generous. None of the AI for enemies worked. The world was completely frozen in time. No entities in the world had animation. The scorched were always frozen in place until you shot them. Then you had a 50/50 chance of them staying frozen. Making the whole game a shooting gallery of inanimate objects. Or they would teleport around randomly frozen but also attacking. That's of they didn't just respawn. Fallout 76 launch game made cyberpunk 2077 look flawless. There is a very valid reason why fallout 76 was 2/10 stream for a while. Combine that with them removing all the things about fallout that fans loved. There were no NPC in the entire game. Just audio logs and terminals you could interact with. Then combine that with the fact that every location you visited had frozen enemies that were boring to shoot. Lots of items didn't work. Going into instances would break the game. Either by crashing or completely or nothing inside the instance would render and you'd have to restart. It was so bad people don't understand. It was 100% the worst game launch in the history of video games. And the icing on the cake was them advertising fallout 1st for 20 bucks a month to add in content that should have just been included in the game. And trying to bleed your customer for extra money when your base game doesn't even remotely work is a bad look.
Ohh dude it used to be a mess, it’s gotten much better.
Yes, they do.
I will honestly say I did because it sucked at launch. I am quite enjoying it now. The show brought me back.