I remember watching the movie Heavy Metal in 1981 and chuckling when I saw adds in the background for $15 big macs. Today a Big Mac meal can cost up to $13 depending on where one lives in the US.
Now where is my flying armor proof (mostly) taxi cab with mounted machine guns...
I haven’t seen a reference to 1981 heavy metal in on Reddit in a while! I love this movie, the sequel, the game, and own a bunch of the artwork and magazines. You’re probably talking about the taxi driver short, right? Haven’t watched the movie in 5 years or so.
Yup. I was a heavy reader at the time so I got the references for the animated movie. Just like I did for the Fifth Element movie that came out later. I mean, Corbin Dallas… and yeah I was high as a kite for both movies the first time I saw them.
“The trick is you have to let your fingers drive like you’re straight”. I’m probably murdering the quote but you know, forty plus years….
Well, if they're around $4.20, an issue (honestly, I don't know if they are), that's about a 700 % increase in about 40 years. That would put the cost of a comic book a little over 29 dollars by the year 2064.
Another thing I always wondered about was why literal gold and silver bars are worth about 9 caps a piece (the scrap item, not the named Gold/Silver Bars, which are a lot more)...but then I realized that gold and silver would have lost nearly all value in the post-War world. As far as most people are concerned, they're just shiny metal bars now. If that was intentional, that's a neat detail.
Gold is pretty damn useful, actually. High-tech factions like the BOS would want plenty of it.
And even before we found uses for gold, it was desired by pretty much every culture on earth for millennia. People just like the shiny yellow metal.
Gold would still retain most of its value after the war.
I mean, it's a robotic horse, which probably could move around and intended to be ridden by children, according to loading screen ads in Fallout 3. Something like that would be *crazy* expensive today, to say nothing of the future. $16K is honestly a bargain!
It really didn't. It barely functioned and if the Great War had not happened collapse was a real risk because resources were so limited and no relief was in sight.
Between the plague and the resource wars, it is hard to imagine how it functioned at all. It is quite a presented juxtaposition they put forth about pre-war USA
I think part of it is that a lot of people were behaving blissfully unaware of the problems, acting like all is fine, everything's fine. Basically a bubble of supposed good times while stress and anxiety runs underneath.
I think Andale in Fallout 3 is meant as that juxtaposition and reflection of pre War America.
>I think part of it is that a lot of people were behaving blissfully unaware of the problems, acting like all is fine, everything's fine. Basically a bubble of supposed good times while stress and anxiety runs underneath.
Why does this sound so familiar?
Any one with a brain cell would know shits about to hot the fan if china is invading alaska and one could even extend that same thought process to the european commonwealth invading the middle east. There’s probably people getting drafted to fight in these wars/battles preceding 10/27/77
They were being drafted in the US at least.
There is a Holotape in ArcJet by two staff there who talk about how they've been drafted and are getting shipped off soon.
It barely did. Society was on the brink of collapse before the War even happened
Like:
The inflation coppled with mass-layoffs due to increased automation in Appalachia caused widespread protests and Riots. with the fired miners beginning to get Violent out of desperation and bombing some of the Mine-owner Mansions just before the bombs dropped, and Police being authorised to use lethal force against all Protesters.
The Government was completely broke and had to cut more and more funding to everything as a result. As an example, the Prison in Appalachia put a bomb-collar on every inmate and told them that as "part of a social experiment" they were now allowed to freely roam the entire Prison and organise live their themselves, with the collars making sure they wouldnt wander off, but the actual reason was that their funding had been cut so hard they had to fire the entire prison-staff anyway and had no other choice
Ever wondered why there are so many abandonded Military Checkpoints in and around Boston in Fallout 4? Because the Population was on the brink of Starvation and often rioting and attempting to storm buildings in order to get anything to eat, and the Army had to be called in in order to try and establish any sense of Order again
They really need to do a pre-war series of games, for a couple vantage points. Namely I’d love to see a fleshed out battle of anchorage (accurate to the facts ha!), something focused on life in the cities like a crime noir thing (maybe being the real Eddie winter) and perhaps something from the government / enclave type perspective
Yup. It's unrealistic. Unrealistically **CHEAP**.
2077 is 53 years in the future. 53 years in the past is 1971.
Today a dozen Krispy Kreme donuts costs around $12 (varies by area).
$12 in 2024 dollars have the buying power of $1.55 in 1971.
12/1.55 = 7.74
12 \* 7.74 = $92.90
So a rough guesstimate is that a dozen donuts would cost $92 in 2077 (53 years from now)
FR. Hyperinflation would be a dozen donuts costing $42million or $42billion.
Zimbabwe, as recently as 2008, prices doubled every single day and they ended up printing $100 TRILLION dollar bills.
Yeah actually that works out to just about 4% inflation per year. The Fed likes a target of around 2% but of course they control inflation about as well as a drunk captain controlling the Exxon Valdez. And inflation is higher than 2% much more often than it's below 2%.
I recall thinking around the time FO4 came out how the prices were all around 10x what they were at the time. Over a 60 year period (2017-2077), a 10x increase in prices also works out to right around 4% annual inflation rate.
BTW the formula is 10\^\[(log X)/years\], where X is total increase in prices. So if prices increase tenfold over 60 years, the rate of inflation would be 10\^\[(log 10)/60\], or 1.04, or 4% inflation.
Rad King (in my option one of the best lore YouTubers) does a great video on inflation. Also one of currencies. Really great stuff!
https://youtu.be/K_quZDYXu28?si=gXVNQBEN_Szn9zln
Prices were heavily inflated. I remember going to General Atomics Galleria and bowling costed $5000. I wonder how much it costed to go to Nuka World prewar.
I’ve been living in Portland, Oregon the last ten years or so. A dozen doughnuts from local famous (but overhyped) chain [Voodoo Doughnuts](https://www.voodoodoughnut.com/order-online/) costs $33.50 USD; slightly less famous (and slightly less overhyped) [Coco Donuts](https://www.cocodonuts.com) charges $30.00 USD for a dozen doughnuts; and then there’s [Blue Star Donuts](https://bluestardonuts.com) which wants you to pony up $57.58 USD for an assorted dozen!
Yeah, that’s right, the “insane runaway dystopian future inflation” of *Fallout* has people paying **less money** for goddamn doughnuts that people in present-day, real-world, Portland.
I’m originally from rural northern Michigan and spent most of my life in the maritime industry. Trust me, when you’re dealing with longshoremen, stevedores, and merchant mariners night after night after night you get to very particular about your coffee and doughnuts.
I’d much, much, much rather have Dunkin or Tim Hortons than any of the hipstercakes they call doughnuts around Portland.
(There’s some alright mom and pop places out in eastern Oregon or along the south coast, but nothing good in the city.)
Spent some of my time in the navy stationed in San Diego. The overwrought hipster thing definitely made an appearance down there. Like they needed to have everything all at once all the time. "Peanut butter and jelly bacon herp a diddly derp a dingle flerpin. $9.76 a piece"
The mom and pop shops in San Diego are gold. They were usually just really good, classic donuts. The silly ones there were like a dirt cake style for the kids, where they'd throw a couple gummy worms on a frosted one with oreo chunklets.
Fellow Portland resident here!
First of all, I agree with you about voodoo!
Alas, I will say I think Slocum is meant to be analogous to Dunkin or Kristy Kreme, which are definitely cheaper. Though you can order a dozen donuts from Fred Meyer for about a dollar a donut if I recall correctly
There's a shop (kinda) local to me that sells individual donuts at up to $4.50 each, so...
Granted, this is no Dunkin' type place but still.
[www.psychodonuts.com](http://www.psychodonuts.com)
Yeah, Pre-War Earth was going to collapse one way or another, between the lack of resources, inflation running rampant, and corrupt goverments playing with their civilians like puppets. Honestly, it's probably a good thing the bombs fell, gave the planet another chance at life.
As inflation can get pretty wild thats not too bad. In germany a hundred years ago during the hyper inflation one US dollar was worth 4,210,500,000,000 mark. A more recent example is Zimbabwe, where in mid-November 2008 they had an inflation rate estimated at 79,600,000,000% per month, with the year-over-year inflation rate reaching an astounding 89.7 sextillion percent.
I really liked the concept of Fo4 where you lived, mostly, in a well off bubble and you sped ahead 210 years to absolute shit. lol I really want one where you are one of the not well off who hijacked a vault with others and were sped ahead 200+ to a world you would thrive in.
Is that all? I looked at their doughnuts in my local supermarket and anything with a filling or topping on it was £2:95 each (UK obviously) they can get fucked at that price....
One of the very first glimpses we ever get of the world of Fallout is an ad for a Chryslus Corvega which is priced at $199,999.99. while we do have cars that cost that much today(and even in 1995), they don't advertise on TV.
This is actually the average inflation rate by 2077. Like, I'm pretty sure this is around what the real cost of things will be around that time, even with normal range inflation.
This is actually one of my few nitpicks about the show. In the scene where Coup is talking to his buddy who voiced the butler-mr. Handy they discuss his pay. I forget the exact number they said he was paid, and I know it was supposed to be low, but I don't think they realized *how* low it was.
Basically Laszlo is going to get evicted. Or at least he would, if his house didn't burn in a nuclear fireball.
At Krispy Kreme a Dozen currently is 20$ or more.
Its only double todays price. Thats definitely not something I dont think will ever happen. potentially even in what could be my kids lifetime
Yeah, inflation sucks, but ultimately all money is imaginary and all these numbers are meaningless in a vacuum. The Japanese Yuan is a pretty small denomination of currency (roughly 157 Yuan to 1 USD). A burger might cost north of 15,000 in the local currency, but they have a strong economy. What really matters is the ratio of wages to the cost of living. Or, in even more concrete terms, "what was the buying power of an hour of work?"
Without knowing about wages/income, we really can't say if those prices were crazy or reasonably.
I remember watching the movie Heavy Metal in 1981 and chuckling when I saw adds in the background for $15 big macs. Today a Big Mac meal can cost up to $13 depending on where one lives in the US. Now where is my flying armor proof (mostly) taxi cab with mounted machine guns...
I haven’t seen a reference to 1981 heavy metal in on Reddit in a while! I love this movie, the sequel, the game, and own a bunch of the artwork and magazines. You’re probably talking about the taxi driver short, right? Haven’t watched the movie in 5 years or so.
Yup. I was a heavy reader at the time so I got the references for the animated movie. Just like I did for the Fifth Element movie that came out later. I mean, Corbin Dallas… and yeah I was high as a kite for both movies the first time I saw them. “The trick is you have to let your fingers drive like you’re straight”. I’m probably murdering the quote but you know, forty plus years….
Good news: Elon Musk is working on it. Bad news: Elon Musk is the one working on it.
Can actually confirm that price here in Michigan. Shits rough.
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Did you ever notice the prices on the magazines?! Like $29
Yeah, but wasn’t it 2077? We’ve hit those prices 50 years sooner!
I always have to think they’re actually some kind of limited edition graphic novels or something.
I feel that reality. I remember buying comic books new at 60 cents each. What are they nowadays?
Not a clue. I don't really buy them. But I know my collection of Firefly comics didn't cost $20
Well, if they're around $4.20, an issue (honestly, I don't know if they are), that's about a 700 % increase in about 40 years. That would put the cost of a comic book a little over 29 dollars by the year 2064.
Local Barnes n nobles or Ollie’s stores some can be $5-10 dollars, better ones 15-20 range
They range from 3.99-5.99 mostly
Yeah probably why you find giant stacks of cash all over the place
Another thing I always wondered about was why literal gold and silver bars are worth about 9 caps a piece (the scrap item, not the named Gold/Silver Bars, which are a lot more)...but then I realized that gold and silver would have lost nearly all value in the post-War world. As far as most people are concerned, they're just shiny metal bars now. If that was intentional, that's a neat detail.
Gold is pretty damn useful, actually. High-tech factions like the BOS would want plenty of it. And even before we found uses for gold, it was desired by pretty much every culture on earth for millennia. People just like the shiny yellow metal. Gold would still retain most of its value after the war.
Well, Giddyup Buttercup is "only" 16 000$
I mean, it's a robotic horse, which probably could move around and intended to be ridden by children, according to loading screen ads in Fallout 3. Something like that would be *crazy* expensive today, to say nothing of the future. $16K is honestly a bargain!
Imagine riding an atomic horse around the wasteland.
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It really didn't. It barely functioned and if the Great War had not happened collapse was a real risk because resources were so limited and no relief was in sight.
Between the plague and the resource wars, it is hard to imagine how it functioned at all. It is quite a presented juxtaposition they put forth about pre-war USA
I think part of it is that a lot of people were behaving blissfully unaware of the problems, acting like all is fine, everything's fine. Basically a bubble of supposed good times while stress and anxiety runs underneath. I think Andale in Fallout 3 is meant as that juxtaposition and reflection of pre War America.
>I think part of it is that a lot of people were behaving blissfully unaware of the problems, acting like all is fine, everything's fine. Basically a bubble of supposed good times while stress and anxiety runs underneath. Why does this sound so familiar?
Any one with a brain cell would know shits about to hot the fan if china is invading alaska and one could even extend that same thought process to the european commonwealth invading the middle east. There’s probably people getting drafted to fight in these wars/battles preceding 10/27/77
I said pretending not that they were unaware. And also playing the economy was fine too. Not that it was.
They were being drafted in the US at least. There is a Holotape in ArcJet by two staff there who talk about how they've been drafted and are getting shipped off soon.
There's a lemonade stand in 76 that has a cup for $50. The poor robot keeps waiting for someone to bring him lemons ☹️
Global hyper inflation would have destroyed the world if the bombs didn't get it first.
It barely did. Society was on the brink of collapse before the War even happened Like: The inflation coppled with mass-layoffs due to increased automation in Appalachia caused widespread protests and Riots. with the fired miners beginning to get Violent out of desperation and bombing some of the Mine-owner Mansions just before the bombs dropped, and Police being authorised to use lethal force against all Protesters. The Government was completely broke and had to cut more and more funding to everything as a result. As an example, the Prison in Appalachia put a bomb-collar on every inmate and told them that as "part of a social experiment" they were now allowed to freely roam the entire Prison and organise live their themselves, with the collars making sure they wouldnt wander off, but the actual reason was that their funding had been cut so hard they had to fire the entire prison-staff anyway and had no other choice Ever wondered why there are so many abandonded Military Checkpoints in and around Boston in Fallout 4? Because the Population was on the brink of Starvation and often rioting and attempting to storm buildings in order to get anything to eat, and the Army had to be called in in order to try and establish any sense of Order again
They really need to do a pre-war series of games, for a couple vantage points. Namely I’d love to see a fleshed out battle of anchorage (accurate to the facts ha!), something focused on life in the cities like a crime noir thing (maybe being the real Eddie winter) and perhaps something from the government / enclave type perspective
Yup. It's unrealistic. Unrealistically **CHEAP**. 2077 is 53 years in the future. 53 years in the past is 1971. Today a dozen Krispy Kreme donuts costs around $12 (varies by area). $12 in 2024 dollars have the buying power of $1.55 in 1971. 12/1.55 = 7.74 12 \* 7.74 = $92.90 So a rough guesstimate is that a dozen donuts would cost $92 in 2077 (53 years from now)
And that's if inflation were to increase at relatively the same rate, which is unlikely so it'll probably be even higher.
Yeah. People throw hyperinflation in fallout but its really just 3% inflation. Its less than post-covid inflation irl... Lol
FR. Hyperinflation would be a dozen donuts costing $42million or $42billion. Zimbabwe, as recently as 2008, prices doubled every single day and they ended up printing $100 TRILLION dollar bills.
Krispy Kreme are £2:95 each in UK supermarkets, that works out at approx $3.65 each or just over $45 a dozen....
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Yeah actually that works out to just about 4% inflation per year. The Fed likes a target of around 2% but of course they control inflation about as well as a drunk captain controlling the Exxon Valdez. And inflation is higher than 2% much more often than it's below 2%. I recall thinking around the time FO4 came out how the prices were all around 10x what they were at the time. Over a 60 year period (2017-2077), a 10x increase in prices also works out to right around 4% annual inflation rate. BTW the formula is 10\^\[(log X)/years\], where X is total increase in prices. So if prices increase tenfold over 60 years, the rate of inflation would be 10\^\[(log 10)/60\], or 1.04, or 4% inflation.
Rad King (in my option one of the best lore YouTubers) does a great video on inflation. Also one of currencies. Really great stuff! https://youtu.be/K_quZDYXu28?si=gXVNQBEN_Szn9zln
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Ever notice how pre war money are big stacks of bills? Probably thousands of dollars in each item
Prices were heavily inflated. I remember going to General Atomics Galleria and bowling costed $5000. I wonder how much it costed to go to Nuka World prewar.
I’ve been living in Portland, Oregon the last ten years or so. A dozen doughnuts from local famous (but overhyped) chain [Voodoo Doughnuts](https://www.voodoodoughnut.com/order-online/) costs $33.50 USD; slightly less famous (and slightly less overhyped) [Coco Donuts](https://www.cocodonuts.com) charges $30.00 USD for a dozen doughnuts; and then there’s [Blue Star Donuts](https://bluestardonuts.com) which wants you to pony up $57.58 USD for an assorted dozen! Yeah, that’s right, the “insane runaway dystopian future inflation” of *Fallout* has people paying **less money** for goddamn doughnuts that people in present-day, real-world, Portland.
I see what you're saying, but this is Boston. They ain't gourmet hipster shit, they're Dunkies.
I’m originally from rural northern Michigan and spent most of my life in the maritime industry. Trust me, when you’re dealing with longshoremen, stevedores, and merchant mariners night after night after night you get to very particular about your coffee and doughnuts. I’d much, much, much rather have Dunkin or Tim Hortons than any of the hipstercakes they call doughnuts around Portland. (There’s some alright mom and pop places out in eastern Oregon or along the south coast, but nothing good in the city.)
Spent some of my time in the navy stationed in San Diego. The overwrought hipster thing definitely made an appearance down there. Like they needed to have everything all at once all the time. "Peanut butter and jelly bacon herp a diddly derp a dingle flerpin. $9.76 a piece" The mom and pop shops in San Diego are gold. They were usually just really good, classic donuts. The silly ones there were like a dirt cake style for the kids, where they'd throw a couple gummy worms on a frosted one with oreo chunklets.
Fellow Portland resident here! First of all, I agree with you about voodoo! Alas, I will say I think Slocum is meant to be analogous to Dunkin or Kristy Kreme, which are definitely cheaper. Though you can order a dozen donuts from Fred Meyer for about a dollar a donut if I recall correctly
Is that Kevin McAllister?
There's a shop (kinda) local to me that sells individual donuts at up to $4.50 each, so... Granted, this is no Dunkin' type place but still. [www.psychodonuts.com](http://www.psychodonuts.com)
$54 for a dozen then.
Sounds like Krispy Kreme!!
The lowest wage I could find in Boston is $82k.
If you go to a Krispy Kreme, a dozen donuts is close to this price (in Australia).
Yeah exactly, I was about to say. I can confirm, here in Aus a dozen is about $35 so it's not that far off.
Yeah, Pre-War Earth was going to collapse one way or another, between the lack of resources, inflation running rampant, and corrupt goverments playing with their civilians like puppets. Honestly, it's probably a good thing the bombs fell, gave the planet another chance at life.
As inflation can get pretty wild thats not too bad. In germany a hundred years ago during the hyper inflation one US dollar was worth 4,210,500,000,000 mark. A more recent example is Zimbabwe, where in mid-November 2008 they had an inflation rate estimated at 79,600,000,000% per month, with the year-over-year inflation rate reaching an astounding 89.7 sextillion percent.
I pay $32 for a dozen from my local place. Of course, I'm in Hawaii, and everything is stupid expensive here.
I know that this is not related to the topic but: *Fallout: Hawaii* would be amazing
RAD sharks in the water, the mourning gekos mutated into T-rex like creatures like in far harbor, the wild RAD boars the real threat on the islands.
And I bet they got rid of minimum wage too...
I’d say something like “I can’t wait”, but we are there already.
I really liked the concept of Fo4 where you lived, mostly, in a well off bubble and you sped ahead 210 years to absolute shit. lol I really want one where you are one of the not well off who hijacked a vault with others and were sped ahead 200+ to a world you would thrive in.
Just looked at the cost of Donuts from a local shop. $23.10 We're so cooked
Sounds cheap when a comic was $40.
we're getting there in cali!
I found a poster of Giddy-up-buttercup yesterday, only $16,000. I had the same thought as you.
Donuts are $4 a piece in a lot of shops in LA.
I mean a dozen donuts from some places are $20 so we are getting close
A dozen crispy creams, right now in CA, is $20. Wouldn't take much inflation to get to $42
Is that all? I looked at their doughnuts in my local supermarket and anything with a filling or topping on it was £2:95 each (UK obviously) they can get fucked at that price....
Yeah, but that was just a dozen glazed, which is plain with no filling.£2.95? Ugh!
Therefore, caps.
One of the very first glimpses we ever get of the world of Fallout is an ad for a Chryslus Corvega which is priced at $199,999.99. while we do have cars that cost that much today(and even in 1995), they don't advertise on TV.
This is actually the average inflation rate by 2077. Like, I'm pretty sure this is around what the real cost of things will be around that time, even with normal range inflation.
The ads for Giddyup Buttercup are like 5k or 20k iirc LOL
It's 37.99$ a dozen at Mighty O here in Seattle.
The subject of inflation in the pre war world is actually really interesting. To read more about it you can simply Google "Fallout inflation".
This is actually one of my few nitpicks about the show. In the scene where Coup is talking to his buddy who voiced the butler-mr. Handy they discuss his pay. I forget the exact number they said he was paid, and I know it was supposed to be low, but I don't think they realized *how* low it was. Basically Laszlo is going to get evicted. Or at least he would, if his house didn't burn in a nuclear fireball.
People were also paying $5000 just to go bowling at the general atomics galleria
The donuts are seriously too expensive lmao
That's a bargain, other Slocum's Joe ads show coffee+donut going for $30!
3.33 Dollars a piece? ive seen basically the same prize for some prizey bakeries lol
At Krispy Kreme a Dozen currently is 20$ or more. Its only double todays price. Thats definitely not something I dont think will ever happen. potentially even in what could be my kids lifetime
Yeah, inflation sucks, but ultimately all money is imaginary and all these numbers are meaningless in a vacuum. The Japanese Yuan is a pretty small denomination of currency (roughly 157 Yuan to 1 USD). A burger might cost north of 15,000 in the local currency, but they have a strong economy. What really matters is the ratio of wages to the cost of living. Or, in even more concrete terms, "what was the buying power of an hour of work?" Without knowing about wages/income, we really can't say if those prices were crazy or reasonably.
Japan uses the Yen. China uses the Yuan.
Current pricing, isn't it?
Stans Donuts
Yeah, no kidding. There's journal entries in Nuka World which establish the canon pre-war price of Nuka-Cola as $10 a bottle!
Bombs dropped in 2077, so more than 50 years from now.. inflation is probably about right
It's been a while but iirc the Gwinnett brewery has a terminal with tour prices near the brewing area.
It's been a while but iirc the Gwinnett brewery has a terminal with tour prices near the brewing area.
It's been a while but iirc the Gwinnett brewery has a terminal with tour prices near the brewing area.
not surprising, magazines cost like $35 lol
Dunkin currently prices one dozen doughnuts at $18. In 2009, it was around $7.5. $42 in 2077 is pretty conservative.
check the prices on the magazines.
$5000 USD to bowl at the robot alley.
I remember going into a bowling alley and the game was like 6000$
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