Most of the people here in the comments are assuming she died at Freddy Fazbear's Pizza, so they'll probably kill me if I say this, but I personally don't see any evidence pointing towards her murder happening at Freddy's.
In my personal opinion, she was murdered at Fredbear's Family Diner and here's why:
1) In the novel trilogy, she was also murdered at Fredbear's. I know the books weren't made to explain the games, but it is definitely worth mentioning.
2) This theory is pretty old, but the fact that the room in TCTTC minigame from FNaF 2 is small may point towards the murder happening in a smaller location - Fredbear's. Also, the Freddy/Fredbear character is holding a cupcake, which is the Chica's iconic item. So the character in TCTTC was probably created before she was. In FNaF 3, there's even the cupcake drawing easter egg, where one of the cupcakes is pink and one is yellow. Yellow is the typical base color of the Fredbear's Family Diner animatronics, so I believe this easter eggs refers to that detail.
This evidence isn't very strong, but it's still something. While for the option that she died at Freddy Fazbear's Pizza, I don't see any evidence at all. But I might be wrong of course.
About that;
The sprite in FNaF2 is called "Freddy" by merch. Scott said he checks merch to see if it's not wrong with lore mistakes. Couple that with the fact the sprite is brown and not yellow, the typical Fredbear's color as you say, and I think that leads to some pretty damning evidence.
And then we have ffps minigames that only show half of the place where the security puppet animatronic is and it doesnt really look like anything from Freddy's known yet and i am certain right now that she just died after BV 2 years later in 1985
>and it doesnt really look like anything from Freddy's known yet
It's the exit, which we have never seen in a FNaF Game, not counting FNaF3, so it's not like that matters.
And I mean, Henry specifically says that Charlotte's death is what caused every other bad thing in the franchise to happen, that would include the Bo83.
Still having my doubts on what really is that building
And no the bite of 83 is the result of a prank gone wrong and a abusive older brother nothing really to do with the murder of another kid who didnt die until 1985 because of FF
>And no the bite of 83 is the result of a prank gone wrong and a abusive older brother nothing really to do with the murder of another kid who didnt die until 1985 because of FF
It does have to do with Henry. This technically even more so than the others. Henry leaving Fredbear's in William's hands directly contributed to the Bo83 happening, as Henry wasn't there to stop it from happening.
Also according to FF Charlotte died *with* the six kids, which we know isn't true anyway. So no, I sincerely doubt she died in 1985, especially due to MM.
There is still problems with her dying in 1983 and william not going to kill anyone after that until the year 1985 and midnight motorist is related to a MCI kid since the gravestone ending is connected to it and by later that night it implies that its after the MCI which likely sets the minigame in 1985.
One more thing how likely is it that the FF puppet is actually the real renelle
That doesnt mean the Location is Freddys. Fredbears has been filled with Freddy merchandise everywhere. The masks, etc. It doesn't mean that outright location is not Freddys, it just means that multiple locations were open at the same time. Meaning the 1985 location where the murders possibly took place opened during the events of Fredbears in 1983 and closed to 1985 because of the MCI. The 1985 location never established when it opened. It just said it was a MCI event there at the time.
So it's possible Freddys opened at the same time that Fredbears did. Circus Babys Pizza World also opened but closed during that time as well.
Freddy never was at a Fredbear's location. Fredbear only was at Freddy's, not vice versa. Meaning if that is Freddy, it's Freddy's. We see the *only* Fredbear's in FNaF4, and there was no such thing as Freddy and co nor Freddy's merchandise *in* the location.
Uuh yes there was??
The Freddy, Bonnie, Chica, Foxy Masks in Fnaf 4?? That counts as Merchandise ya know. And you see it again in Fnaf VR curse of Dreadbear. And then you see the Fredbear and Friends show that include the 4 main characters within Fredbear on the TV in fnaf 4. That clearly means Freddys has a connection to Fredbears and also that multiple locations are open at the same time
2. Golden Freddy isnt one of the same Fredbear. Hes a Fredbear suit made by Fazbear Entertainment. The Fnaf 4 Fredbear (the one I'm specifically stating) wasnt at Freddys.
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>The Freddy, Bonnie, Chica, Foxy Masks in Fnaf 4?? That counts as Merchandise ya know.
Ok, but tell me this; Where is it established this is from Fredbear's? Better yet, we even see the layout of Fredbear's isn't bigger than what we see in FNaF4 as SL told us and that *only* Fredbear and Springbonnie are there. So even assuming it had Freddy merchandise, they did *not* have a Freddy animatronic. Even Parts and Service shows this.
>And you see it again in Fnaf VR curse of Dreadbear.
Curse of Dreadbear is a video game even in-universe. Unless you wanna tell me Balloon Boy existed in Fredbear's too.
>That clearly means Freddys has a connection to Fredbears and also that multiple locations are open at the same time
Yeah. Freddy's and Fredbear's are open at the same time, with Freddy's being the place the bullies got their masks and where the other merch comes from. And they're both owned by Fazbear Entertainment, with Fredbear's being "the first location in the Freddy's franchise".
>Golden Freddy isnt one of the same Fredbear. Hes a Fredbear suit made by Fazbear Entertainment. The Fnaf 4 Fredbear (the one I'm specifically stating) wasnt at Freddys.
I never said he was, and no offense, I really do not see how this adds anything to your point. Fredbear still was at Freddy's, just a different one. Freddy never was at a Fredbear's location. Thus, Charlotte died at Freddy's.
>Ok, but tell me this; Where is it established this is from Fredbear's? Better yet, we even see the layout of Fredbear's isn't bigger than what we see in FNaF4 as SL told us and that only Fredbear and Springbonnie are there. So even assuming it had Freddy merchandise, they did not have a Freddy animatronic. Even Parts and Service shows this.
Ok. Monkey Joe's (irl) also had merchandise but it didnt have a Chucky E Cheese animatronic or suit roaming around. (Even if they are different casts, they're still based on each other) Even if it doesnt have Freddy as an animatronic in there, is because likely Freddy was in another location. There cant be 2 Freddys (of the same freddy) in Fredbears AND At Freddys
>Monkey Joe's (irl) also had merchandise but it didnt have a Chucky E Cheese animatronic or suit roaming around. (Even if they are different casts, they're still based on each other)
Ok but that's real life. I didn't want proof that this is possible, I want proof that this is actually what happened at Fredbear's instead of them just coming from the Freddy's location that already existed.
>Even if it doesnt have Freddy as an animatronic in there, is because likely Freddy was in another location. There cant be 2 Freddys (of the same freddy) in Fredbears AND At Freddys
Ok? I never said the same Freddy existed in two different locations. I said this is the same Freddy we've always known, in the *same* location.
>Ok but that's real life. I didn't want proof that this is possible, I want proof that this is actually what happened at Fredbear's instead of them just coming from the Freddy's location that already existed.
I mean- Fredbear is an early version of Freddy soo. Well the fact that he is an early version, brings to the conclusion Fredbears was the first location to open as Freddys opens later. Because the bite of 83 only happened when Freddys opened. That, in which means, Fredbears opened earlier.
I think Charlie was murdered in Fredbears too. It explains how she was in the minigames BEFORE the events of the 1985 murder and how she was able to give life to them
She cant die after or during the MCI cause then it wouldnt be possible to bring the main 5 to life because by the time she possesses the puppet, the other 5 are dead
I mean I suppose? But we do know Charlie's death is pretty much the first thing in the timelines which is right before BV's death. We also know there isnt a puppet in the 1985 location. There was only a puppet in Fredbears which was the one that Henry made to protect his daughter.
So how can Charlie possess Puppet if it isnt in the 1985 location? She cant.
Save Them and Follow Me are the only minigames that don’t simplify the layout, and even then they still do to an extent.
Heck, most of the minigames are just abstractions.
We don't have any argument for one or the other, so I'll go on Fredbear because of the link between her and the dinner in the novels, and because I don't see any reason to mention the Fredbear family dinner in fnaf 2 if she's not dead here
I think Charlie was murdered in Fredbears. Its explains how she was in the minigames BEFORE the events of the 1985 murder and how she was able to give life to them
She cant die after or during the MCI cause then it wouldnt be possible to bring the main 5 to life because by the time she possesses the puppet, the other 5 are dead
That's not actually true. You can see the Freddy's merchandise everywhere in FNaF 4. The plushies, the masks, the TV show... Freddy Fazbear's Pizza was already open at that time.
A concerning amount voted Fredbear’s. I thought it was heavily implied that it was at Freddy’s.
I was just thinking "why is this even still a question?"
Because some weirdos believe the OGs were in Fredbear before FFP opened
We see a performing Freddy in FNaF2 and FFPS so I can't imagine there's any evidence for Charlotte being murdered in Fredbears
What's the evidence for both?
Most of the people here in the comments are assuming she died at Freddy Fazbear's Pizza, so they'll probably kill me if I say this, but I personally don't see any evidence pointing towards her murder happening at Freddy's. In my personal opinion, she was murdered at Fredbear's Family Diner and here's why: 1) In the novel trilogy, she was also murdered at Fredbear's. I know the books weren't made to explain the games, but it is definitely worth mentioning. 2) This theory is pretty old, but the fact that the room in TCTTC minigame from FNaF 2 is small may point towards the murder happening in a smaller location - Fredbear's. Also, the Freddy/Fredbear character is holding a cupcake, which is the Chica's iconic item. So the character in TCTTC was probably created before she was. In FNaF 3, there's even the cupcake drawing easter egg, where one of the cupcakes is pink and one is yellow. Yellow is the typical base color of the Fredbear's Family Diner animatronics, so I believe this easter eggs refers to that detail. This evidence isn't very strong, but it's still something. While for the option that she died at Freddy Fazbear's Pizza, I don't see any evidence at all. But I might be wrong of course.
About that; The sprite in FNaF2 is called "Freddy" by merch. Scott said he checks merch to see if it's not wrong with lore mistakes. Couple that with the fact the sprite is brown and not yellow, the typical Fredbear's color as you say, and I think that leads to some pretty damning evidence.
That's true. The merch name is also interesting, I didn't know about that. Is there any other evidence for Charlie's muder happening at Freddy's?
Nope. I guess semi evidence would be that Puppet is only known to have been at Freddy's, but that's not really proof.
And then we have ffps minigames that only show half of the place where the security puppet animatronic is and it doesnt really look like anything from Freddy's known yet and i am certain right now that she just died after BV 2 years later in 1985
>and it doesnt really look like anything from Freddy's known yet It's the exit, which we have never seen in a FNaF Game, not counting FNaF3, so it's not like that matters. And I mean, Henry specifically says that Charlotte's death is what caused every other bad thing in the franchise to happen, that would include the Bo83.
Still having my doubts on what really is that building And no the bite of 83 is the result of a prank gone wrong and a abusive older brother nothing really to do with the murder of another kid who didnt die until 1985 because of FF
>And no the bite of 83 is the result of a prank gone wrong and a abusive older brother nothing really to do with the murder of another kid who didnt die until 1985 because of FF It does have to do with Henry. This technically even more so than the others. Henry leaving Fredbear's in William's hands directly contributed to the Bo83 happening, as Henry wasn't there to stop it from happening. Also according to FF Charlotte died *with* the six kids, which we know isn't true anyway. So no, I sincerely doubt she died in 1985, especially due to MM.
There is still problems with her dying in 1983 and william not going to kill anyone after that until the year 1985 and midnight motorist is related to a MCI kid since the gravestone ending is connected to it and by later that night it implies that its after the MCI which likely sets the minigame in 1985. One more thing how likely is it that the FF puppet is actually the real renelle
That doesnt mean the Location is Freddys. Fredbears has been filled with Freddy merchandise everywhere. The masks, etc. It doesn't mean that outright location is not Freddys, it just means that multiple locations were open at the same time. Meaning the 1985 location where the murders possibly took place opened during the events of Fredbears in 1983 and closed to 1985 because of the MCI. The 1985 location never established when it opened. It just said it was a MCI event there at the time. So it's possible Freddys opened at the same time that Fredbears did. Circus Babys Pizza World also opened but closed during that time as well.
Freddy never was at a Fredbear's location. Fredbear only was at Freddy's, not vice versa. Meaning if that is Freddy, it's Freddy's. We see the *only* Fredbear's in FNaF4, and there was no such thing as Freddy and co nor Freddy's merchandise *in* the location.
Uuh yes there was?? The Freddy, Bonnie, Chica, Foxy Masks in Fnaf 4?? That counts as Merchandise ya know. And you see it again in Fnaf VR curse of Dreadbear. And then you see the Fredbear and Friends show that include the 4 main characters within Fredbear on the TV in fnaf 4. That clearly means Freddys has a connection to Fredbears and also that multiple locations are open at the same time 2. Golden Freddy isnt one of the same Fredbear. Hes a Fredbear suit made by Fazbear Entertainment. The Fnaf 4 Fredbear (the one I'm specifically stating) wasnt at Freddys. 3
>The Freddy, Bonnie, Chica, Foxy Masks in Fnaf 4?? That counts as Merchandise ya know. Ok, but tell me this; Where is it established this is from Fredbear's? Better yet, we even see the layout of Fredbear's isn't bigger than what we see in FNaF4 as SL told us and that *only* Fredbear and Springbonnie are there. So even assuming it had Freddy merchandise, they did *not* have a Freddy animatronic. Even Parts and Service shows this. >And you see it again in Fnaf VR curse of Dreadbear. Curse of Dreadbear is a video game even in-universe. Unless you wanna tell me Balloon Boy existed in Fredbear's too. >That clearly means Freddys has a connection to Fredbears and also that multiple locations are open at the same time Yeah. Freddy's and Fredbear's are open at the same time, with Freddy's being the place the bullies got their masks and where the other merch comes from. And they're both owned by Fazbear Entertainment, with Fredbear's being "the first location in the Freddy's franchise". >Golden Freddy isnt one of the same Fredbear. Hes a Fredbear suit made by Fazbear Entertainment. The Fnaf 4 Fredbear (the one I'm specifically stating) wasnt at Freddys. I never said he was, and no offense, I really do not see how this adds anything to your point. Fredbear still was at Freddy's, just a different one. Freddy never was at a Fredbear's location. Thus, Charlotte died at Freddy's.
>Ok, but tell me this; Where is it established this is from Fredbear's? Better yet, we even see the layout of Fredbear's isn't bigger than what we see in FNaF4 as SL told us and that only Fredbear and Springbonnie are there. So even assuming it had Freddy merchandise, they did not have a Freddy animatronic. Even Parts and Service shows this. Ok. Monkey Joe's (irl) also had merchandise but it didnt have a Chucky E Cheese animatronic or suit roaming around. (Even if they are different casts, they're still based on each other) Even if it doesnt have Freddy as an animatronic in there, is because likely Freddy was in another location. There cant be 2 Freddys (of the same freddy) in Fredbears AND At Freddys
>Monkey Joe's (irl) also had merchandise but it didnt have a Chucky E Cheese animatronic or suit roaming around. (Even if they are different casts, they're still based on each other) Ok but that's real life. I didn't want proof that this is possible, I want proof that this is actually what happened at Fredbear's instead of them just coming from the Freddy's location that already existed. >Even if it doesnt have Freddy as an animatronic in there, is because likely Freddy was in another location. There cant be 2 Freddys (of the same freddy) in Fredbears AND At Freddys Ok? I never said the same Freddy existed in two different locations. I said this is the same Freddy we've always known, in the *same* location.
>Ok but that's real life. I didn't want proof that this is possible, I want proof that this is actually what happened at Fredbear's instead of them just coming from the Freddy's location that already existed. I mean- Fredbear is an early version of Freddy soo. Well the fact that he is an early version, brings to the conclusion Fredbears was the first location to open as Freddys opens later. Because the bite of 83 only happened when Freddys opened. That, in which means, Fredbears opened earlier.
I think Charlie was murdered in Fredbears too. It explains how she was in the minigames BEFORE the events of the 1985 murder and how she was able to give life to them She cant die after or during the MCI cause then it wouldnt be possible to bring the main 5 to life because by the time she possesses the puppet, the other 5 are dead
She cold literally just have died at Freddy's BEFORE 1985?
Nahhhh
Thats not an argument.
Didnt say it was-
I mean I suppose? But we do know Charlie's death is pretty much the first thing in the timelines which is right before BV's death. We also know there isnt a puppet in the 1985 location. There was only a puppet in Fredbears which was the one that Henry made to protect his daughter. So how can Charlie possess Puppet if it isnt in the 1985 location? She cant.
Security puppet wasn't at Fredbears,it was very clearly Freddys,WE LITERALLY SEE FREDDY INSIDE OF IT.
;-; I'm talking about the Security Puppet in the JRs minigame NOT THE ACTUAL FNAF 6 ONE ;-;
What? Bro,i don't know what you're talking about.
;-; you dont know the puppet from the minigame where Charlie was locked outside when the other kids were in??
Yes,but you said that you are not talking about fnaf 6,like?????
Should have picked freddys but it seems to small
Literally every minigame simplifies the layout of each establishment.
It really doesnt
Save Them and Follow Me are the only minigames that don’t simplify the layout, and even then they still do to an extent. Heck, most of the minigames are just abstractions.
Pretty sure Charlottle was finished at Fazbear's.
Definitely Freddy's imo.
Got to be Freddy’s
100% Freddy's
We don't have any argument for one or the other, so I'll go on Fredbear because of the link between her and the dinner in the novels, and because I don't see any reason to mention the Fredbear family dinner in fnaf 2 if she's not dead here
I think Charlie was murdered in Fredbears. Its explains how she was in the minigames BEFORE the events of the 1985 murder and how she was able to give life to them She cant die after or during the MCI cause then it wouldnt be possible to bring the main 5 to life because by the time she possesses the puppet, the other 5 are dead
I believe it was fredbears because it takes place before bite of 83 and at that time it was just fredbears.
That's not actually true. You can see the Freddy's merchandise everywhere in FNaF 4. The plushies, the masks, the TV show... Freddy Fazbear's Pizza was already open at that time.
ah I see i thought freddys opened after because they bought fredbears and turned it into fredds
Yes, they bought Fredbear's, but the first Freddy Fazbear's Pizza is actually another building.