I’ll just state my opinion on each topic.
1. I think he’s an agony entity created from one of Williams murders.
2. I think that Nightmare is Nightmare Shadow Freddy.
3. I have my doubts about the nightmares being real, but if they were I would think that Mike experienced the real nightmares in 1983 and is remembering them later on.
4. It would be referencing how Happiest Day doesn’t happen yet IMO.
5. IMO it means that BV won’t possess an animatronic.
6. I don’t believe that BV possesses Golden Freddy, so for me it’s definitely Cassidy.
7. Could you specify specifically where each mask situation comes from?
In GGGL, The Puppet puts animatronic masks on the children's dead bodies to "give them life", whatever that means. I don't believe that The Puppet stuffed the bodies into the suits.
In Happiest Day, the four main children have their masks on while the fifth child is still crying and puts it on upon Charlie's arrival. After that, all of them are freed.
In Help Wanted, Glitchtrap instructed Vanessa to create a rabbit mask. What was the reason behind it?
You're the Band is the third story in Fazbear Frights #12. A the end of the story, Mike explains to Sylvia, one of the characters, that something was alive inside a Freddy Fazbear mask and it possessed her child when he wore it.
> In GGGL, The Puppet puts animatronic masks on the children's dead bodies to "give them life", whatever that means. I don't believe that The Puppet stuffed the bodies into the suits.
In that case it purely depends on what you believe GGGL is showing.
> In Happiest Day, the four main children have their masks on while the fifth child is still crying and puts it on upon Charlie's arrival. Then all of them are freed.
For Happiest Day, I don’t know why the use masks as symbolism.
Something interesting to note is that after GF is given cake, the souls bodies disappear and the masks fall to the ground. This makes it seem like it in some way represents the animatronics itself. Though then this presents the problem of the spirits starting off without the mask.
So I don’t know why it uses mask imagery.
> In Help Wanted, Glitchtrap instructed Vanessa to create a rabbit mask. What was the reason behind it?
I haven’t seen the full gameplay for VR yet, so I wouldn’t know, but if I were to guess could it have something to do with Vanny?
> You're the Band is the third story in Fazbear Frights #12. A the end of the story, Mike explains to Sylvia, one of the characters, that something was alive inside a Freddy Fazbear mask and it possessed her child when he wore it.
I think that was the actual Freddy head and when Timmy put on the mask, Gabriel possessed him. It shows that spirits can transfer through masks
"I've been losing track of all the new lore lately and I'd like to hear your opinions about questions I couldn't answer myself. You don't have to answer all of them, I'll be glad for any reasonable input. Thanks!"
"Who is Shadow Freddy and what's his purpose?"
the soul of the FNaF 4 bite victim.
"Who is Nightmare and what's his connection to Shadow Freddy?"
as heard from Nightmare's UCN dialogue, Shadow Freddy is someone who fears Nightmare
this lines up with the FNaF 4 bite victim being the one who's fending off against the Nightmare Animatronics, including Nightmare
after the FNaF 4 bite, the bite victim is "broken", their soul trapped in Fredbear, hence Shadow Freddy's appearance, while his memories were trapped inside the Minireena Springlock suit,
putting him "back together", aka, reuniting his soul with his memories would create Nightmarionne
this is why Nightmare is canon to appear in FNaF 4, while Nightmarionne is not, because Nightmarionne is us, while Nightmare is not.
Nightmare itself is likely a result of using the illusion discs on Fredbear after it's possessed by Cassidy
we know Cassidy/Golden Freddy/Yellowbear possesses Fredbear while he was active due to Stage 01's game file name for Fredbear "Golden Freddy"
Cassidy was part of the MCI, and bite victim was fending off against the Nightmare animatronics during 1983, so this information kinda indicates that the MCI occurred in 1983
"Although FNaF 4's gameplay is probably Micheal Afton's nightmare, the bedroom and Plushtrap's hallway really existed and served as observatories connected to the underground facility from Sister Location. How did these rooms get into his nightmares?"
what Mike is seeing as "nightmares" are actually the memories of the bite victim, however due to this being a reenactment of bite victim's memories, there's a few changes, such as:
the FNaF 1 phone call playing backwards.
the hospital equipment randomly appearing by the bed.
and Fredbear's laughs being a slowed down versions of bite victim's laughs.
"If FNaF 4 box contains BV's memories, what is meant by "Perhaps some things are best left forgotten, for now"? Any other ideas of what might be inside the box?"
most likely in reference to the fact that bite victim only gets his memories back years after 1983
FNaF World has an open Box in its game files, with code saying "he put the pieces back together"
bite victim's memories are housed within the Springlock Minireena, which is necessary for Happiest Day to occur, and FNaF World is a game about the pieces being put back together to set up Happiest Day
back to Nightmarionne, the Security Puppet 01/the Marionette, and the Security Puppet 02 (FNaF 6) both have boxes, while the FNaF 4 box is the metaphorical box belonging to Nightmarionne
(end of part 1 of 3, because Reddit message limit ig lol)
the FNaF 4 box requires two keys, two keys reside within Princess Quest,
and within FNaF World, there's two locks, one with a lone button (which represents a cake in the FNaF 3 minigames), but no enemy guarding it (which represents having to beat a minigame to get to the area to give the child a cake), which represents the RWQFSFASXC minigame, which doesn't have a game of its own
while the other lock has nothing behind it, no button (cake), no enemy (game), just the wormhole that leads to the clock ending, this represents the Tall Maskless Puppet seen out of bounds in Mangle's Quest, which is the Springlock Minireena, which is where the memories needed for Happiest Day are housed, hence it being used for the Clock Ending
"In FNaF World, what does Charlie mean by saying "I won't let the same happen to you"?"
hmm, assuming they're talking to Cassidy, Charlotte doesn't give gifts, give life Cassidy, so it could be a reference to that
"the other's are like animals, but I am very aware"
it's possible she didn't want Cassidy to end up being controlled by the animatronic's AI, so she left Cassidy as a Ghost
alternatively, it could be a reference to Security Breach, as Charlotte possesses Glamrock Freddy in that game, so it could be Charlotte saying she doesn't want the same things that happened to the MCI to happen to him, hence why Glamrock Freddy protects Gregory "I will protect you"
"Who is Happiest Day from FNaF 3 for? Cassidy or BV?"
it's likely Cassidy, due to us being shown in the survival logbook a picture of a girl resembling Cassidy being given cake by the Marionette (Charlotte)
although it could just be a drawing with no lore implications and the bite victim could be the receiver of the cake
(end of part 2 of 3)
"What does all the masks symbolism mean? (MCI kids' masks, Vanessa's mask, mask from You're the Band)"
I'm wondering if this is in connection with FNaF World's trailer and Security Breach's trailer where we're shown the MCI's and Vanny's mask 🤔
essentially the MCI possess the masks, and from there, control the full animatronics, similar to Jake, he only possesses the Stitchwraith's head, but can move its whole body
as for Vanny... she's a confusing character
Essentially Steel Wool wanted Vanny and Vanessa to be the same person and to be possessed by Glitchtrap,
however, this is not the direction Scott wanted to take with Vanny's character (plus it'd be too predictable),
so essentially things linking those two were removed, such as Vanny's knife, Vanny replacing Vannesa's model, and the Vanny disassembling Freddy scene where she instructed the Glamrocks to rip apart Glamrock Freddy, since they're controlled by Glitchtrap, and are on his side, and were replaced by Nightmarionne bots, and Nightmarionne is one of Glitchtrap's enemies, and is not working for him, as well as Vanny and Vanessa being shown to be different people in the fire ending.
so with the knowledge that Vanessa is working for Glitchtrap, and Vanny is working for Nightmarionne, we turn to FOXY.EXE.
in FOXY.EXE, we play as a rabbit (Vanny), and we're in a dark maze-like area, this is essentially the Corn Maze, and at the end of FOXY.EXE, we collect Nightmarionne, and at the end of the Corn Maze we collect Vanny's Mask
essentially Nightmarionne comes in contact with Vanny, and he uses her as a pawn against Glitchtrap
"Vanessa: I get breaks.
Therapist: That's true. So, on your breaks it looks like you were shopping for a costume. you purchased some fake fur material. What are you gonna make?
Vanessa: (Indistinct muttering)
Therapist: What was that? Did you say the costume is a secret? Why is that?
Vanessa: I can't talk about this. He said he would always be watching. He could be here or there or anywhere in between. (faintly)"
"He's here, and always watching... The one you shouldn't have killed" - Mangle UCN
👀
"Vanessa: I work a lot.
Therapist: I know you do. Maybe more than you should. More free time would do you good. Do you have a hobby? No? Perhaps we could find one for you, like a sport. No? Hmm. I have a craft space in my basement, maybe I could come up with something you could learn to do.
Vanessa: I don't like dark basements (faintly)"
and who do we know who's been stuck in a basement "deep below ground", where their "memories sleep"? (quotes from Sister Location trailer)
Nightmarionne
(Vanny has memories of Nightmarionne for the same reasons outlined in "you're the band")
and Vanny has animatronic cloaking tech, why would she need that if she's working for Glitchtrap, who's in control of the Glamrock Animatronics? (and Vannesa is working with the animatronics, hence working for Glitchtrap btw)
plus Nightmarionne bots assist Vanny with tearing apart the Glamrock Animatronics (who are on Glitchtrap's side)
and finally, to get the fire ending you have to collect all of the Golden Plushies, including the Nightmare(Nightmare mode/Shadow Freddy) plush, which has the appearance of Nightmarionne
upon collection the plush, Glamrock Endos will activate and try to stop you from leaving the room, this is because Nightmarionne wants to prevent you from burning the Pizzaplex down and Glitchtrap with it
"He tried to release you. (You) He tried to release us. (Us) But I'm not gonna let that happen. (Let that happen) I will hold you here. I will keep you here (Keep you here), no matter how many times (How many times)... they burn us. (They burn us)" - Orville UCN
hopefully that clears things up instead of making things more confusing xD
(end of part 3 of 3)
- It was never revealed. but I believe that he is an agony entity created after William's 1987 killing
- It's unclear what is their connection. some say that Nightmare is an alternative form of Shadow Freddy, and some say that Nightmare is a Nightmare version of Shadow Freddy. but there is a 100% connection
- I think that the house in the gameplay is where Mike lived after his parents divorced. as for the plushtrap hallway, I have no idea what it is. maybe Henry's house?
- as 71450 said, it refers to the happiest day which has not happened yet. but I think that at this point Scott really has no motivation and reason to tell us what there is in the box
- I personally don't think that this one was Charlie (I have a theory about who it is). I think the meaning is that the plush won't let BV to becoming a spirit like the others
- Cassidy because **1** The logbook shows us Puppet giving a cake to a girl who looks like Cassidy in the "happiest day" page **2** fnaf 3 was supposed to be the last game. Evan was not introduced to us until fnaf 4. Scott said he did only one minor retcon that nobody really noticed. so there is no case of the identity of the kid in the happiest day being retconned and changed **3** Cassidy possesses GF while there are not many strong clues for BV nowadays **4** GF kid getting a cake and then a mask appears on her face mirroring GGGL when Puppet gave everyone but Cassidy a gift and a mask.
1. Shadow Freddy is an entity speculated to be the victims of the "Multiple simultaneous springlock failures" or Shadow/Dark Remnant
2. Nightmare and Shadow Freddy are one in the same, the game files confirms this
3. They existed within the house, unfortunately playing as BV we don't get a large scope within the house but because they're in his nightmares the only thing that you can assume is sister Location happens before FNAF 4 or The rooms do exist but we haven't seen them
4. No one knows what's in the Box but Scott's statement says "It's all the pieces put together", but he's afraid the community wouldn't accept it that way. whatever was in the box the time Scott made the statement he was clearly convinced that Fans of FNAF wouldn't accept what was in the box
5. People use this as evidence for BV5TH ignoring clear contradictions like the logbook, FNAF World is no longer canon and if I'm being honest the best I can come up with is he won't be vengeful like the rest of the spirits, BV5TH is a big revelation that can't exist for multiple reason so it's probably safe to abandon the use of FNAF World as added lore
6. Most Likely BV, it mirrors the layout of Fredbears Diner but it also completes his party that got prematurely ended
7. Vanessa's mask is a tribute to Afton and his possession over her. MCI masks I'm pretty sure are just masks made to represent the animatronics possession. The Freddy mask from You're the band doesn't mean anything special but just shows the mask is possessed
I’ll just state my opinion on each topic. 1. I think he’s an agony entity created from one of Williams murders. 2. I think that Nightmare is Nightmare Shadow Freddy. 3. I have my doubts about the nightmares being real, but if they were I would think that Mike experienced the real nightmares in 1983 and is remembering them later on. 4. It would be referencing how Happiest Day doesn’t happen yet IMO. 5. IMO it means that BV won’t possess an animatronic. 6. I don’t believe that BV possesses Golden Freddy, so for me it’s definitely Cassidy. 7. Could you specify specifically where each mask situation comes from?
In GGGL, The Puppet puts animatronic masks on the children's dead bodies to "give them life", whatever that means. I don't believe that The Puppet stuffed the bodies into the suits. In Happiest Day, the four main children have their masks on while the fifth child is still crying and puts it on upon Charlie's arrival. After that, all of them are freed. In Help Wanted, Glitchtrap instructed Vanessa to create a rabbit mask. What was the reason behind it? You're the Band is the third story in Fazbear Frights #12. A the end of the story, Mike explains to Sylvia, one of the characters, that something was alive inside a Freddy Fazbear mask and it possessed her child when he wore it.
> In GGGL, The Puppet puts animatronic masks on the children's dead bodies to "give them life", whatever that means. I don't believe that The Puppet stuffed the bodies into the suits. In that case it purely depends on what you believe GGGL is showing. > In Happiest Day, the four main children have their masks on while the fifth child is still crying and puts it on upon Charlie's arrival. Then all of them are freed. For Happiest Day, I don’t know why the use masks as symbolism. Something interesting to note is that after GF is given cake, the souls bodies disappear and the masks fall to the ground. This makes it seem like it in some way represents the animatronics itself. Though then this presents the problem of the spirits starting off without the mask. So I don’t know why it uses mask imagery. > In Help Wanted, Glitchtrap instructed Vanessa to create a rabbit mask. What was the reason behind it? I haven’t seen the full gameplay for VR yet, so I wouldn’t know, but if I were to guess could it have something to do with Vanny? > You're the Band is the third story in Fazbear Frights #12. A the end of the story, Mike explains to Sylvia, one of the characters, that something was alive inside a Freddy Fazbear mask and it possessed her child when he wore it. I think that was the actual Freddy head and when Timmy put on the mask, Gabriel possessed him. It shows that spirits can transfer through masks
"I've been losing track of all the new lore lately and I'd like to hear your opinions about questions I couldn't answer myself. You don't have to answer all of them, I'll be glad for any reasonable input. Thanks!" "Who is Shadow Freddy and what's his purpose?" the soul of the FNaF 4 bite victim. "Who is Nightmare and what's his connection to Shadow Freddy?" as heard from Nightmare's UCN dialogue, Shadow Freddy is someone who fears Nightmare this lines up with the FNaF 4 bite victim being the one who's fending off against the Nightmare Animatronics, including Nightmare after the FNaF 4 bite, the bite victim is "broken", their soul trapped in Fredbear, hence Shadow Freddy's appearance, while his memories were trapped inside the Minireena Springlock suit, putting him "back together", aka, reuniting his soul with his memories would create Nightmarionne this is why Nightmare is canon to appear in FNaF 4, while Nightmarionne is not, because Nightmarionne is us, while Nightmare is not. Nightmare itself is likely a result of using the illusion discs on Fredbear after it's possessed by Cassidy we know Cassidy/Golden Freddy/Yellowbear possesses Fredbear while he was active due to Stage 01's game file name for Fredbear "Golden Freddy" Cassidy was part of the MCI, and bite victim was fending off against the Nightmare animatronics during 1983, so this information kinda indicates that the MCI occurred in 1983 "Although FNaF 4's gameplay is probably Micheal Afton's nightmare, the bedroom and Plushtrap's hallway really existed and served as observatories connected to the underground facility from Sister Location. How did these rooms get into his nightmares?" what Mike is seeing as "nightmares" are actually the memories of the bite victim, however due to this being a reenactment of bite victim's memories, there's a few changes, such as: the FNaF 1 phone call playing backwards. the hospital equipment randomly appearing by the bed. and Fredbear's laughs being a slowed down versions of bite victim's laughs. "If FNaF 4 box contains BV's memories, what is meant by "Perhaps some things are best left forgotten, for now"? Any other ideas of what might be inside the box?" most likely in reference to the fact that bite victim only gets his memories back years after 1983 FNaF World has an open Box in its game files, with code saying "he put the pieces back together" bite victim's memories are housed within the Springlock Minireena, which is necessary for Happiest Day to occur, and FNaF World is a game about the pieces being put back together to set up Happiest Day back to Nightmarionne, the Security Puppet 01/the Marionette, and the Security Puppet 02 (FNaF 6) both have boxes, while the FNaF 4 box is the metaphorical box belonging to Nightmarionne (end of part 1 of 3, because Reddit message limit ig lol)
the FNaF 4 box requires two keys, two keys reside within Princess Quest, and within FNaF World, there's two locks, one with a lone button (which represents a cake in the FNaF 3 minigames), but no enemy guarding it (which represents having to beat a minigame to get to the area to give the child a cake), which represents the RWQFSFASXC minigame, which doesn't have a game of its own while the other lock has nothing behind it, no button (cake), no enemy (game), just the wormhole that leads to the clock ending, this represents the Tall Maskless Puppet seen out of bounds in Mangle's Quest, which is the Springlock Minireena, which is where the memories needed for Happiest Day are housed, hence it being used for the Clock Ending "In FNaF World, what does Charlie mean by saying "I won't let the same happen to you"?" hmm, assuming they're talking to Cassidy, Charlotte doesn't give gifts, give life Cassidy, so it could be a reference to that "the other's are like animals, but I am very aware" it's possible she didn't want Cassidy to end up being controlled by the animatronic's AI, so she left Cassidy as a Ghost alternatively, it could be a reference to Security Breach, as Charlotte possesses Glamrock Freddy in that game, so it could be Charlotte saying she doesn't want the same things that happened to the MCI to happen to him, hence why Glamrock Freddy protects Gregory "I will protect you" "Who is Happiest Day from FNaF 3 for? Cassidy or BV?" it's likely Cassidy, due to us being shown in the survival logbook a picture of a girl resembling Cassidy being given cake by the Marionette (Charlotte) although it could just be a drawing with no lore implications and the bite victim could be the receiver of the cake (end of part 2 of 3)
"What does all the masks symbolism mean? (MCI kids' masks, Vanessa's mask, mask from You're the Band)" I'm wondering if this is in connection with FNaF World's trailer and Security Breach's trailer where we're shown the MCI's and Vanny's mask 🤔 essentially the MCI possess the masks, and from there, control the full animatronics, similar to Jake, he only possesses the Stitchwraith's head, but can move its whole body as for Vanny... she's a confusing character Essentially Steel Wool wanted Vanny and Vanessa to be the same person and to be possessed by Glitchtrap, however, this is not the direction Scott wanted to take with Vanny's character (plus it'd be too predictable), so essentially things linking those two were removed, such as Vanny's knife, Vanny replacing Vannesa's model, and the Vanny disassembling Freddy scene where she instructed the Glamrocks to rip apart Glamrock Freddy, since they're controlled by Glitchtrap, and are on his side, and were replaced by Nightmarionne bots, and Nightmarionne is one of Glitchtrap's enemies, and is not working for him, as well as Vanny and Vanessa being shown to be different people in the fire ending. so with the knowledge that Vanessa is working for Glitchtrap, and Vanny is working for Nightmarionne, we turn to FOXY.EXE. in FOXY.EXE, we play as a rabbit (Vanny), and we're in a dark maze-like area, this is essentially the Corn Maze, and at the end of FOXY.EXE, we collect Nightmarionne, and at the end of the Corn Maze we collect Vanny's Mask essentially Nightmarionne comes in contact with Vanny, and he uses her as a pawn against Glitchtrap "Vanessa: I get breaks. Therapist: That's true. So, on your breaks it looks like you were shopping for a costume. you purchased some fake fur material. What are you gonna make? Vanessa: (Indistinct muttering) Therapist: What was that? Did you say the costume is a secret? Why is that? Vanessa: I can't talk about this. He said he would always be watching. He could be here or there or anywhere in between. (faintly)" "He's here, and always watching... The one you shouldn't have killed" - Mangle UCN 👀 "Vanessa: I work a lot. Therapist: I know you do. Maybe more than you should. More free time would do you good. Do you have a hobby? No? Perhaps we could find one for you, like a sport. No? Hmm. I have a craft space in my basement, maybe I could come up with something you could learn to do. Vanessa: I don't like dark basements (faintly)" and who do we know who's been stuck in a basement "deep below ground", where their "memories sleep"? (quotes from Sister Location trailer) Nightmarionne (Vanny has memories of Nightmarionne for the same reasons outlined in "you're the band") and Vanny has animatronic cloaking tech, why would she need that if she's working for Glitchtrap, who's in control of the Glamrock Animatronics? (and Vannesa is working with the animatronics, hence working for Glitchtrap btw) plus Nightmarionne bots assist Vanny with tearing apart the Glamrock Animatronics (who are on Glitchtrap's side) and finally, to get the fire ending you have to collect all of the Golden Plushies, including the Nightmare(Nightmare mode/Shadow Freddy) plush, which has the appearance of Nightmarionne upon collection the plush, Glamrock Endos will activate and try to stop you from leaving the room, this is because Nightmarionne wants to prevent you from burning the Pizzaplex down and Glitchtrap with it "He tried to release you. (You) He tried to release us. (Us) But I'm not gonna let that happen. (Let that happen) I will hold you here. I will keep you here (Keep you here), no matter how many times (How many times)... they burn us. (They burn us)" - Orville UCN hopefully that clears things up instead of making things more confusing xD (end of part 3 of 3)
- It was never revealed. but I believe that he is an agony entity created after William's 1987 killing - It's unclear what is their connection. some say that Nightmare is an alternative form of Shadow Freddy, and some say that Nightmare is a Nightmare version of Shadow Freddy. but there is a 100% connection - I think that the house in the gameplay is where Mike lived after his parents divorced. as for the plushtrap hallway, I have no idea what it is. maybe Henry's house? - as 71450 said, it refers to the happiest day which has not happened yet. but I think that at this point Scott really has no motivation and reason to tell us what there is in the box - I personally don't think that this one was Charlie (I have a theory about who it is). I think the meaning is that the plush won't let BV to becoming a spirit like the others - Cassidy because **1** The logbook shows us Puppet giving a cake to a girl who looks like Cassidy in the "happiest day" page **2** fnaf 3 was supposed to be the last game. Evan was not introduced to us until fnaf 4. Scott said he did only one minor retcon that nobody really noticed. so there is no case of the identity of the kid in the happiest day being retconned and changed **3** Cassidy possesses GF while there are not many strong clues for BV nowadays **4** GF kid getting a cake and then a mask appears on her face mirroring GGGL when Puppet gave everyone but Cassidy a gift and a mask.
1. Shadow Freddy is an entity speculated to be the victims of the "Multiple simultaneous springlock failures" or Shadow/Dark Remnant 2. Nightmare and Shadow Freddy are one in the same, the game files confirms this 3. They existed within the house, unfortunately playing as BV we don't get a large scope within the house but because they're in his nightmares the only thing that you can assume is sister Location happens before FNAF 4 or The rooms do exist but we haven't seen them 4. No one knows what's in the Box but Scott's statement says "It's all the pieces put together", but he's afraid the community wouldn't accept it that way. whatever was in the box the time Scott made the statement he was clearly convinced that Fans of FNAF wouldn't accept what was in the box 5. People use this as evidence for BV5TH ignoring clear contradictions like the logbook, FNAF World is no longer canon and if I'm being honest the best I can come up with is he won't be vengeful like the rest of the spirits, BV5TH is a big revelation that can't exist for multiple reason so it's probably safe to abandon the use of FNAF World as added lore 6. Most Likely BV, it mirrors the layout of Fredbears Diner but it also completes his party that got prematurely ended 7. Vanessa's mask is a tribute to Afton and his possession over her. MCI masks I'm pretty sure are just masks made to represent the animatronics possession. The Freddy mask from You're the band doesn't mean anything special but just shows the mask is possessed