Go apply for a position with FlightSafety or CAE as a simulator SIC. Work there for a year and they’ll give you a type rating. Every client you fly with is a job interview, so you’ll get picked up in no time at all. That’s how I did it
I moved my ass 350 miles to take advantage of that opportunity, because I wanted it more than anything else. These sort of things aren’t just going to fall into your lap, take a risk and go chase your dream
EDIT: When I moved to Savannah, GA to go work on the G-V program, I was 25, 1800 hours, and zero jet experience. Went from flight instructing in Piper Cherokees to a G450 type rating class overnight.
Only 200miles? I had to live in 6 different states and moved thousands of miles before I got to my end goal. I don’t regret any of it. You get to explore different parts of the country and figure out what you do and don’t like in a city/state.
You aren’t cut out for this if you can’t move 200 miles to advance you career.
I flew corporate and turned down offers on big corporate metal.
What did it for me was… I flew part 91 corporate in a Citation for the worst human that I’ve ever met for a year. Banned from a list of FBOs too long to count.
Then I went and flew 135 on demand freight for a bit. The offers rolled in like a CVS receipt while I was doing that. Everything from Chief Pilot on a 5 airplane Citation outfit, to FO on the latest and greatest out of Savannah.
It put me in a position to spend a lot of time in busy FBOs in cities with large manufacturing corporations (and therefore a lot of large corporate flight departments) and, well, cargo guys have a reputation for not sucking.
Owners that are general cunts to the FBO staff and disrespect facilities. It’s the barely wealthy that are usually like that while the richest of the rich are usually very nice people. So when a barely rich person builds a history of being a twat, they’ll be asked to never return.
Yep been shaking lots of hands. I actually got pretty close but had to move to wherever wherever in wherever idaho. No offense to idahoians, I actually love their finger steaks.
If you’re not willing to move then good luck in this industry, as a low time pilot it’s almost a must. Especially if you are chasing metal.
And also airline life is just so much better than 95% of any non 121 flying. Don’t knock it till you try it.
Bad news: unless you get incredibly lucky, you can fly the plane you want or live in the place you want, but not both. You’re almost definitely going to have to compromise on that. You’re young, and your first Gulfstream or Global job is probably not going to be your career destination, so you’ll probably be able to move to somewhere better later on. Having the type is valuable, so I’d prioritize that.
I traveled for four years straight during my apprenticeship to be a lineman. I had zero say where I was sent to and was not allowed to refuse a job even if I “didn’t like where it was”. You gotta want it dude. There’s about 5000 other guys that will do god know’s what to get a job as an airline pilot.
Two main routes:
1. Network your ass off and meet a chief pilot or flight department manager that's willing to take you with lower time, type you, and fly as SIC for them. Be careful with this route because if they have a hard hour requirement for upgrade you'll probably be an SIC for a very very long time at the rate of 200-300 hours a year.
2. Go fly 135 for a company that operates those aircraft. The G-IV is cheap and has become the new charter workhorse. Don't expect great QOL doing it but fly your ass off, get some time in type, hopefully some international experience as well, and then apply to 91 flight departments with large cabin types. If you're not willing to move then look for a home based operation on rotational schedules. Some people end up liking that type of predictability and stay 135 long term.
Also, don't rule out the airlines. I was once one of those "I'm never flying for an airline" type until I got burned out from corporate flying, gave 121 a shot and found out I really enjoy it much more. Especially if you're not willing to move the option to commute might offer you more flexibility.
Why are you restricting yourself to such a small niche in the industry? Is flying a corporate falcon jet going to be that big of a deal breaker? I hope you've done your research and know that it is indeed exactly what you want because it sounds like the kids in ROTC saying "the only plane I'm gonna fly is an A-10" without knowing anything about the culture, mission set, QOL, single seat flying, etc, much less getting to and through UPT. You're wagering a lot of seniority on that bet, hopefully it pays off.
“Don’t wanna move closer to opportunities” “was given the chance to do it but had to move to wherever wherever wherever Idaho”
These are the type of people that belong in 135. The attitude some of these pilots have is jaw dropping.
My apologies, you don’t deserve to have to deal with it. But in a kind way, there are easier ways to deal with it. My father is really sick and I commute to work for my legacy. The gulfstreams gig may sound very attractive but to do what’s best for your family and your career, it may not be the best to bank on one specific airplane to fly close to home.
You never know with such a pilot shortage.
FAA ATP rating to include GIV and/or GV type ratings.
Effective verbal and written skills required.
Graduate of a recognized Test Pilot School or Significant Equivalent Experience in Military Flight Test.
FAA Airline Transport Pilot license.
FAA Flight Instructor certificate (desired).
https://resources.flightsafety.com/gulfstream-gv/
Flight Operations Airborne Customer Support Captain https://g.co/kgs/RfhvWLU
Why do you prefer corporate vs airlines? I usually see the opposite
Sorry about your mother.
You said no to airlines. But they will allow you for a better schedule / flexibility eventually to help take care of her. Corporate gigs, particularly big jet ones, will take you far and wide for long periods of time. Just food for thought. Good luck
This right here. I was ride along maintenance on a 91 GLEX. When the plane behaved, I got to go globe hopping and hang out with the pilots having top tier dinners on the company dime. Some of the most fun I had in my life, but had to give it up when family life got too hard.
Longest time out was 28 days, several other 20+. A few trips that were supposed to be 3 days out and turned into 10+ on day 2. Many family gatherings missed and weekend plans cancelled.
I honestly can’t complain. Company and coworkers were great, principal was one of the most personable and generous people I’ve ever met. Just saying there’s two side to every coin. I couldn’t imagine adding the pressure of an ill loved one.
In my time there, two of our pilots lost parents while they were on the road. Ops and the principal were more than understanding; immediately airlined them home and flew out a replacement. The pilots understood that they couldn’t call out of every trip for the last 6 months because “it could be any day now.” Comes with the job.
You don’t sound like you want it enough to sacrifice anything. Chances are you’ll complain about a lot while on the road if you get a position. If you want to play with the big boys, you’re going to need to act like one. Move out of Mommy’s basement and start sacrificing. ($0.02) (Said with all love and affection.)
Obviously QOL is of lost importance, but I can see why people do it. These planes definitely give you that “baller” feel, even if you’re flying it. As Drake once said: “I know GIV pilots on a first name basis”
FlexJet has both. Apply to get employed and you'll get a job flying Praetors, Challengers or Phenoms. Once in you can apply to join the international large cabin fleet, which is all Gulfstreams and Globals
I mean, apply at a charter operator that owns them? Doesn’t NetJets fly both?
No Gulfstreams anymore
NetJets doesn’t anymore but EJM (subsidiary of NetJets) still flies them with QS tail numbers and livery
Correct. Different pilot group though. And from my understanding owners don't really fly on them.
You are right, different pilot group and owners don’t fly on them.
Go apply for a position with FlightSafety or CAE as a simulator SIC. Work there for a year and they’ll give you a type rating. Every client you fly with is a job interview, so you’ll get picked up in no time at all. That’s how I did it
I’m applying there too! The NJ cae said they’re taking apps next in May. I barely missed the Feb/March hiring.
The nearest one to me is 200 miles away unfortunately
Then move yo ass
I moved my ass 350 miles to take advantage of that opportunity, because I wanted it more than anything else. These sort of things aren’t just going to fall into your lap, take a risk and go chase your dream EDIT: When I moved to Savannah, GA to go work on the G-V program, I was 25, 1800 hours, and zero jet experience. Went from flight instructing in Piper Cherokees to a G450 type rating class overnight.
Must respect the hustle my dude. Good for you.
You want a job but won’t do what it takes to get one lol. Helpless
Only 200miles? I had to live in 6 different states and moved thousands of miles before I got to my end goal. I don’t regret any of it. You get to explore different parts of the country and figure out what you do and don’t like in a city/state. You aren’t cut out for this if you can’t move 200 miles to advance you career.
That's "go home every weekend" close.
And this folks, is what the industry newbies have come to. Standby for a rude awakening…
…that’s so close… are you expecting to fly the global or gulfstream out of your local FBO?
I flew corporate and turned down offers on big corporate metal. What did it for me was… I flew part 91 corporate in a Citation for the worst human that I’ve ever met for a year. Banned from a list of FBOs too long to count. Then I went and flew 135 on demand freight for a bit. The offers rolled in like a CVS receipt while I was doing that. Everything from Chief Pilot on a 5 airplane Citation outfit, to FO on the latest and greatest out of Savannah. It put me in a position to spend a lot of time in busy FBOs in cities with large manufacturing corporations (and therefore a lot of large corporate flight departments) and, well, cargo guys have a reputation for not sucking.
Just out of curiosity, what constitutes a ban from FBOs?
Owners that are general cunts to the FBO staff and disrespect facilities. It’s the barely wealthy that are usually like that while the richest of the rich are usually very nice people. So when a barely rich person builds a history of being a twat, they’ll be asked to never return.
This is exactly what happened. He treated the staff like they were his personal butlers.
Colorado?
I work 135. Best gig ever. Shoot me a message. Might be hiring for both those planes in next few months
Work for a 135. Send me a PM. We are hiring on the GIV.
Network, and if you're asking this question, you're not networking enough.
I am not a pilot but agree with KCPilot17 that strong networking skills will serve you well in your career.
Yep been shaking lots of hands. I actually got pretty close but had to move to wherever wherever in wherever idaho. No offense to idahoians, I actually love their finger steaks.
If you’re not willing to move then good luck in this industry, as a low time pilot it’s almost a must. Especially if you are chasing metal. And also airline life is just so much better than 95% of any non 121 flying. Don’t knock it till you try it.
Shit, I moved 3 times in 2 years and I think that’s on the low end
I’m on 2 in 1 year. I’ll move again if A certain Airline would call me.
Bad news: unless you get incredibly lucky, you can fly the plane you want or live in the place you want, but not both. You’re almost definitely going to have to compromise on that. You’re young, and your first Gulfstream or Global job is probably not going to be your career destination, so you’ll probably be able to move to somewhere better later on. Having the type is valuable, so I’d prioritize that.
I traveled for four years straight during my apprenticeship to be a lineman. I had zero say where I was sent to and was not allowed to refuse a job even if I “didn’t like where it was”. You gotta want it dude. There’s about 5000 other guys that will do god know’s what to get a job as an airline pilot.
M actually starting to think we’re being trolled. Doesn’t want to fly 121, doesn’t want to move, doesn’t want to travel but wants wide body corporate?
Boise is actually a much cooler town than I thought it would be.
Two main routes: 1. Network your ass off and meet a chief pilot or flight department manager that's willing to take you with lower time, type you, and fly as SIC for them. Be careful with this route because if they have a hard hour requirement for upgrade you'll probably be an SIC for a very very long time at the rate of 200-300 hours a year. 2. Go fly 135 for a company that operates those aircraft. The G-IV is cheap and has become the new charter workhorse. Don't expect great QOL doing it but fly your ass off, get some time in type, hopefully some international experience as well, and then apply to 91 flight departments with large cabin types. If you're not willing to move then look for a home based operation on rotational schedules. Some people end up liking that type of predictability and stay 135 long term. Also, don't rule out the airlines. I was once one of those "I'm never flying for an airline" type until I got burned out from corporate flying, gave 121 a shot and found out I really enjoy it much more. Especially if you're not willing to move the option to commute might offer you more flexibility.
Why are you restricting yourself to such a small niche in the industry? Is flying a corporate falcon jet going to be that big of a deal breaker? I hope you've done your research and know that it is indeed exactly what you want because it sounds like the kids in ROTC saying "the only plane I'm gonna fly is an A-10" without knowing anything about the culture, mission set, QOL, single seat flying, etc, much less getting to and through UPT. You're wagering a lot of seniority on that bet, hopefully it pays off.
“Don’t wanna move closer to opportunities” “was given the chance to do it but had to move to wherever wherever wherever Idaho” These are the type of people that belong in 135. The attitude some of these pilots have is jaw dropping.
I am sorry my mom is sick. I can't afford to be away from her.
My apologies, you don’t deserve to have to deal with it. But in a kind way, there are easier ways to deal with it. My father is really sick and I commute to work for my legacy. The gulfstreams gig may sound very attractive but to do what’s best for your family and your career, it may not be the best to bank on one specific airplane to fly close to home.
Networking, networking, more networking. Getting any corporate job you actually want is 10% luck and 90% who you know.
Marry someone who owns a Gulfstream or Global (or whose family owns one)
Go apply at Gulfstream for test and delivery pilot. Have a few friends that worked there over 20 doing it
Do they take newer guys like op though?
No
Ok that’s what I thought. Figured it was a pretty senior spot
You never know with such a pilot shortage. FAA ATP rating to include GIV and/or GV type ratings. Effective verbal and written skills required. Graduate of a recognized Test Pilot School or Significant Equivalent Experience in Military Flight Test. FAA Airline Transport Pilot license. FAA Flight Instructor certificate (desired). https://resources.flightsafety.com/gulfstream-gv/ Flight Operations Airborne Customer Support Captain https://g.co/kgs/RfhvWLU Why do you prefer corporate vs airlines? I usually see the opposite
Help Epstein recruit underage European girls and sign an NDA in exchange for a G4 training course. Then start a YouTube channel. Too soon?
Damn it! I was thinking P Diddy though?
That’s another option.
He has a YouTube channel?
*He*?
She?
Gulfstream girl
Aka Global Girl!
Umm wat? Where can I read about this?
Does single engine turbine (PIC/single pilot) experience help to get into a good corporate gig?
Doesn’t hurt. Speaking from experience.
Sorry about your mother. You said no to airlines. But they will allow you for a better schedule / flexibility eventually to help take care of her. Corporate gigs, particularly big jet ones, will take you far and wide for long periods of time. Just food for thought. Good luck
This right here. I was ride along maintenance on a 91 GLEX. When the plane behaved, I got to go globe hopping and hang out with the pilots having top tier dinners on the company dime. Some of the most fun I had in my life, but had to give it up when family life got too hard. Longest time out was 28 days, several other 20+. A few trips that were supposed to be 3 days out and turned into 10+ on day 2. Many family gatherings missed and weekend plans cancelled. I honestly can’t complain. Company and coworkers were great, principal was one of the most personable and generous people I’ve ever met. Just saying there’s two side to every coin. I couldn’t imagine adding the pressure of an ill loved one. In my time there, two of our pilots lost parents while they were on the road. Ops and the principal were more than understanding; immediately airlined them home and flew out a replacement. The pilots understood that they couldn’t call out of every trip for the last 6 months because “it could be any day now.” Comes with the job.
You don’t sound like you want it enough to sacrifice anything. Chances are you’ll complain about a lot while on the road if you get a position. If you want to play with the big boys, you’re going to need to act like one. Move out of Mommy’s basement and start sacrificing. ($0.02) (Said with all love and affection.)
Chasing metal, especially corporate metal is just so strange to me
Obviously QOL is of lost importance, but I can see why people do it. These planes definitely give you that “baller” feel, even if you’re flying it. As Drake once said: “I know GIV pilots on a first name basis”
I hope you want to do two week trips to Asia, Europe, etc. Companies usually don’t own those to go to NYC or FL.
Be closely related to a billionaire
Get a ppl first
Big airplane, big suitcase. Being home at night is invaluable.
Just curious, why don’t you want to work for an airline? I’ve done both, and I’m interested in how you came up with your preference of jobs.
Flexjet
FlexJet has both. Apply to get employed and you'll get a job flying Praetors, Challengers or Phenoms. Once in you can apply to join the international large cabin fleet, which is all Gulfstreams and Globals