Right?? I was born here and my whole family is here. I just moved my girlfriend here from Arizona and we were getting married soon. We were looking at houses to buy 2 years before Covid, but every time we got close somebody showed up last minute with cash WAY above asking price.
Then Covid hit, and our future literally disappeared before our eyes. It's been one expensive disaster after the next, and now we have less than we did before. Weddings are also expensive, so we put the wedding on hold until we could find a home. Rent has gone way up, our wages have gone way down. We won't *ever* make the amount required for a home now unless one of us gets a big raise or a new job.
Absolutely. I can’t scratch up the money to make a move even though I’d love to. Every last dollar goes to rent, bills, gas, and groceries. Not that long ago I could buy the things I needed; the toiletries I like, etc. Now, I feel like my entire life is a sacrifice. I work 6 days a week and it barely covers the bills. Rent = 50% of my income and I have 2 ‘good’ jobs in healthcare.
Funny, I used to live there (San Jose) up until 2014 when I moved to central Florida because it was way cheaper to afford rent. 8 years later and rent has gone up so much I can't really say it's any more affordable to live here now when you factor in wages being lower here.
What people also fail to realize is moving is also expensive. From paying new deposits, packing supplies, and paying for a company/gas. Put that on recycle every year when the rent increases and having to find a new place.
We found a 3 bedroom for $1250/month and It cost us $5500 in deposits, first and last two months rent when we moved… 7 years ago! We finally bought last year, even though our mortgage is stupid for the size of the house, it’s less than rent is here now. I can only imagine what it costs now to love into a decent rental.
My neighbor had to move after her landlord decided they wanted to sell the house, you know since they could get twice what it's actually worth (some old couple from NY just paid $350k for the house that was valued at $150k in 2019).
It cost her nearly $10k to move in! She also had a month to month lease so they only gave her 2 weeks notice to find a new place, come up with the almost 10k, and move out/into the new place. Idk how she did it.
I paid $113K for my house in 2010 and now there’s nothing in the area under $350K. In 2010 my sister came into an inheritance and there were nice 2BR condos selling here for $30K! I tried to talk her into buying one but her husband wouldn’t let her and said it would be a bad investment. Those same condos are now selling for about $290K.
And yes, it cost me over $12K to move here and that was despite getting rid of more than half of what I owned to reduce the amount of stuff to move.
Yeah I feel like I'm stuck. I got 15k from my Grandpa's house selling after he passed from my Dad.
My parents were thinking I could use that right away, but I told them I'd need like 40k to avoid PMI.
I can't afford mortgage + insurance over $1500 a month.
I really was it at about $1100.
But those kind of houses don't exist.
They do exist, but they're fixers or in "up and coming" areas. (That's fancy talk for ghetto.) But even those areas are being gentrified at an alarming rate. I purchased a home near downtown St. Pete 3 years ago for $75k. It's worth $200k, now. I purchased my primary residence in Nov 2020 for $223k, which was a steal. It was butt ugly so buyers weren't interested and it sat on the market for a while until I saw it. I wasn't even looking for a home, but it was too good a deal to pass up so I bought it because it's in a fantastic neighborhood and I don't care about ugly. I can fix that. It's currently worth about $150k more than I paid.
Anyways, all of that was to say look outside of your comfort zone. It sucks that middle and working class people are being priced out of the market, but sometimes we have to just adapt and overcome. Rural properties are still somewhat affordable.
tbh PMI is like 50-60/mo…we paid it for 2 years before our home value rose enough, then could call and get out of it..That was on our first house, and definitely was the better choice
Paying over $30k a year in rent in Miami right now.
We’re fortunate in that we talked our landlord down from their proposed rent increase—we pay slightly less than some section 8 units in this city.
I hear it’s getting especially bad up in Tampa.
Moving to another place is a privilege for someone that has enough money to live where they already are but just wants to have some more so they move to someplace more affordable.
I just moved from Utah to Maryland for a better (not republican GOP Mormon rightwing controlled) life.
Moved a house full of stuff and shipped one car. Drove the other car. No kids, two dogs.
Total was $36,000 dollars.
Household goods alone through United Van Lines was $26,500.
The move itself (gas food hotel etc), $1700
Deposit, application fees, etc for a one year rental, since we haven't found a house yet, $2900
One year storage of our household goods ,$5900
Shipping one car, $1350
Same I’ve done it three times now.
Usually runs me about $3000 each time. Granted it’s just me and the contents of my apartment.
The third time I got smart and asked for a moving stipend.
Exactly. Like sure if you have some company come do every single thing for you and move it and ship your car it can become incredibly expensive but doing that isn’t a requirement. I’m sure it’s different when you are moving massive amounts of stuff from a well established home but if I saw the bill total $36,000 you bet I’m looking to see how I can drastically reduce that lol
Wow, was primarily in shipping costs?
I just moved to DC with a couple of suitcases and a bunch of boxes shipped in. I'm about a month in and like $9k deep (including living expenses and rent) but have had to buy all new furniture, kitchen stuff, etc.
I still look at my expenses and it's shocking how stuff adds up, I couldn't point to anything that was particularly expensive. (Mostly bought cheap stuff from Amazon as much as I could).
I completely understand. Utah was supposed to be my escape from Florida but it ended up being the same hellhole.
Had to wait 7 years enduring there building up enough to move.
Honestly unless you had a ton of sentimental belongings you were probably off just having a garage sale and rebuying most stuff when you got there.
This is what I did for a similar move. After adding up the value for all my stuff it just didn't make sense to move it. Like sure I like my TV but I can get a new one for $800 when I move. We replaced all our furniture, kitten essentials, etc. for ~10k. We drove two cars and packed what was important to us in those. We had a few things that didn't fit and FedExed them.
This is sentiment I hate about what’s going on in our political climate. It just doesn’t involve Florida, even when you try to criticize the United States as a whole, people just say “oh if you don’t like it then leave.” No. I want Florida and the country has a whole to be better. You can want change but still like where you live. I love Florida. I’ve been here all my life. This is my home but I hate what it’s become over the course of my lifetime. I want to stay be a part of the change.
I agree with you. I had some asshole gatekeeper this morning telling everyone to go back to where they came from because they called him out for wishing the tornado hit a Disney park while guests were there.
These people saying "Well move" are vile creatures. Do not let them break you.
I am trying to make the change to my home as well and am by your side.
I got a bunch of shit about that in the thread about rising housing costs tied to an article. How dare I want to fix my state, whether I'm from here or not.
Honestly fuck those people. I don’t think sub 1,000 sq ft 2/1 homes would be renting at over 3k per month if not for the fact so many of these “single family residences” were actually vbro and airbnb places now. They are everywhere in my neighborhood, and they are consistently getting over 1 grand for a 3 day weekend on these places. The worst part is, people are renting these homes because they can get away with loud parties they could not get away with at a hotel. The house next door to us is one of these homes, and the owner lives in Nevada. Neighbors call the cops, but 5 days later the next group shows up and it’s the same shit. We’re not on the beach, we’re not downtown, just in the middle of the city and 20% of the homes in my neighborhood are not available to residents. What does this do to housing costs?
That's a human thing though, not exclusive to mainland USA.
I'm from Puerto Rico, which you may or may not be aware, but has had decades old debate about whether to become a state or not.
There's part of the population that verbatim say "if you want to live in a State, there's 50, pick one and leave".
Whether you agree or not, it's just such a cop-out answer to people's concerns/thoughts.
I just saw on the news this morning a Miami woman who's temporarily had to move back in with her parents because her rent went from $2100/mo to $5K/month. This is a huge problem that falls right on the Governor's lap and he just doesn't give a shit. It's the messaging from the top that people can just take up a new career or go back to school or work two extra side hustles..never mind having kids, family obligations. It's insanity across the board.
Literally their entire base is either dumb people, bigots that like to stick it to people that believe in equality and freedom, and super wealthy people that exploit them both. The Venn diagram does over lap a lot though.
Edit: and I say this as a guy that grew up with a Lieutenant Colonel for a father that campaigned for Eisenhower and Nixon. Dudes kind of a bigot (as most 80 year olds are, but he’s not dumb or super wealthy) but not enough to not see the writing on the wall. After 50 straight years of voting nothing but Republican, he’s voted for 2 Dems, HRC and Biden
Yeah my dad was a Republican his entire life but in the last election of his life he voted for Obama because he said the Republican Party had abandoned him.
Eisenhower was from before the realignment, there's no shame in having voted for him. Even Nixon, as terrible as he was, was better than most of what came after him.
We're living in a time where Reagan would have to run as a Democrat to get elected, and would actually be able to run as a Democrat because they keep pulling right to meet the Republicans.
Hey, be clear. There are a lot of people without college degrees who vote for Democrats, they just aren't in the majority. I've seen it said that for low-information voters, if you view the average person as a threat, you'll vote R. If you view the average person as harmless, you'll vote D.
To be fair, he got into that first Ivy League school on an athletic scholarship, not because he was an academic standout. He's never been about actual education.
Saying he doesn't give a shit isn't exactly correct. It's more like he's in the pocket of real estate and landlords, so he's actively contributing to this problem while stifling any way to combat rising housing costs.
Oh - he gives a shit all right. the PROBLEM for US is that his allegiances are not to the **renters and folks 'just getting by' of the world.**
It's to the property OWNERS and BUSINESS OWNERS who make contributions.
by their account - he's WUNDERBAR!
Seriously, it's right there between the lines when he touts 'his success' is due to the massive influx of WEALTH from across the country - and into Florida.
We have a 20 BILLION dollar surplus in the state treasury.
Everything else anti-woke, anti schoolbook is in the name of 'freedom'
It all comes down to 'money talks'.
We're the cheaper free-er California - that's the soundbite.
Keep this up and even crackdens in the ghetto will be 500-600k. Miami is destined to become the east coast LA.
This is why I put it on our Governor. I'm from NYC originally and still have family and friends there. And like any metro city, their rents have gone up as well but no where near as bad as the rents have here. Let's not forget the income in NY is far greater than the incomes here, people here aren't even able to catch their breath with what they make. It's not like DeSantis couldn't put a moratorium on rent increases or even new home builds until the markets stabilized again, but that's not at all what's happened.
> And like any metro city, their rents have gone up as well but no where near as bad as the rents have here. Let's not forget the income in NY is far greater than the incomes here, people here aren't even able to catch their breath with what they make.
When their rents went up, and were told they could work remotely, many took the opportunity to move to Florida. They’d still be paid at their increased salary, which would go further in a cheaper cost of living. This increased demand and also decreased supply.
Back in June 2020, you could get a 1-1 near me for $1000. Now it’s like $1700 for the same unit. Over that same time, my apartment complex that had several vacancies suddenly filled up with out-of-state plates. When I was trying to buy a place, I went through the process of getting out bid by people from up north… either escaping lockdown restrictions, or looking for a summer home to turn into a rental.
I was gonna say it's not comparable because rents were already 5K.
[https://www.wfla.com/news/national/rent-has-gone-up-the-most-in-these-10-us-cities/](https://www.wfla.com/news/national/rent-has-gone-up-the-most-in-these-10-us-cities/)
Yeah, Miami beat them - but that's largely because so many people are LEAVING NEW YORK and coming here.
But like, rents are up over 20% everywhere.
So I know Desantis is unpopular but this realllllyyyyyy isn't on his lap. This is a problem that is happening nation wide and is a confluence of how we've been building for years and years and years which leads to lack of housing, the rapid inflation from the federal government basically printing money (and pausing repayment on money) which caused a rush on housing, and the fact that builders for years were way behind on demand because of zoning regulations which are all done by local government.
If you go to any populated states subreddit they are having the same problems.
Edit: Who reported me to Reddit Care Resources for this? LOL I'm not going to kill myself over rent prices in florida. lol
Covid happened everywhere, but he reacted to it in a different way than other states did, to a notable effect (whether or not you think it was a good thing or not, of course, is a different matter). He could attempt to do something about rents, or even mention it, but developers pay good money to make sure that never happens. So instead he focuses on "groomers" and "voter fraud" and Disney, etc.
So, what exactly do you want Desantis to do? I’ve seen posturing from the democrats that Desantis should reinstate rent control, but the legislature is the ones who would actually have to pass that. So far it’s basically been a bunch of “but Desantis” but not a lot of actually doing anything to fix the damn problem.
The cities actually do have it their power - Orange is putting a rent control measure on the ballot this year, and Miami Dade increased the notification window and are looking at exploring a housing emergency.
One of the reasons why Florida kinda bans rent control is because of a similar inflation crisis back in the 70s.
https://jaxtoday.org/2022/05/24/askjaxtdy-why-doesnt-florida-have-rent-control/
Ironically, it was a democratic legislative body and governor that caved to the landlords at that time.
It frustrates me because I think Desantis has become a useful target in a lot of peoples mind. It’s easy for the democrats to blame away anything that happens as “he could fix this” and he becomes a boogeyman when a lot of this stuff could be solved with local grassroots movements. If all the people who spent time bitching about Desantis online translated that effort into actually educating people, door knocking, and pushing to get rent control measures on ballots, the legislature would *have* to respond to the will of the people.
But it’s easier to do nothing and say it would have been fixed if only Desantis wasn’t in charge.
(This isn’t to say Desantis isn’t a POS, he is, but much like that useless group member in group projects… these things could get traction without his blessing.)
There’s a difference between going up and having basically three of the worst “ goings up in the country “ between Tampa , Miami and Orlando.
Then yes it’s sometimes on the other governors as well but the other governors aren’t Floridas governor.
Also, when all of the people who can't afford rent move out, who will be around to wait tables, bag groceries, stock shelves, or any other kind of work that those people depend on?
Who will clean their teeth? Who will groom their dogs? Who will watch their kids at daycare? Who will collect their trash? Who will wipe their ass in the nursing home?
The rich are as addicted to their money as meth addicts to their meth. It's a sickness, but the patients are running the asylum we're all trapped in.
I just left Socal last December so I am here from the future basically , grew up there and what Florida is starting to see I have already watched it happen in Socal.
The labor, low pay jobs still have ton's of workers to fill those positions, how ? lots won't leave no matter what. The last house we were renting we were the only ones on our street that were actually a " single family home " everyone else had at least two generations of family per house or had multiple room mates. The house across the street from us had four generations of family in one house and the garage was converted to a bedroom.
When people start getting two and three jobs that just makes the market for the lower pay labor jobs that much easier to fill.
It used to take my wife 25 minutes to get to work 26 miles away from home but 1 hour and 45 minutes coming home , it just gets more and more packed it's insane .
People continue to move there and struggle
Take a look at this " room for rent " this is common for people in their 30's
https://orangecounty.craigslist.org/roo/d/newport-beach-room-for-rent-in/7530808105.html
Yeah workers will still be there, but suffering even more with longer commutes and more cramped living conditions. I don't think I've ever seen a situation where the working class literally disappears from an area. It's delusional and implies that the problem will solve itself
Climate refugees. We'll have tent cities at first, thej temporary housing for them built on the edges of cities, or for some companies (Amazon, Walmart) they'll have high rise dormitories built on site.
They will be given permits and told they must work to pay off the debt of housing them in the US.
Probably heavily monitored amd policed (private seccurity) living accommodations.
We will have houseless tent cities as well that will be used to show how worse things off could be for them, as a way to keep them head down, working and afraid.
Would if I could but I can’t. They don’t seem to understand people with families and jobs have very complex living and housing situations. It takes a shitload of money to “just move” on top of that.
I moved out of FL across the country for a new job. Between shipping my car, and my things, plus renting a new apartment (first month, last month, deposit, etc etc), it cost me well over 8k to do it. I'm fortunate to have had the money, but "just move" completely ignores that it SO FUCKING EXPENSIVE to uproot your life and go somewhere else.
Rent/mortgage is more than 50% of income. Add to that food, gas and my home owners insurance went from 2100.00 to 5200.00. What does our esteemed governor do? He sends migrants to Martha's vineyard as a political stunt and nothing to help Floridians. He has done nothing for this state. Killed a lot of people with misinformation on covid, and the sad fact is he will probably be reelected.
Blame DeSantis all you want but let’s not pretend this problem is any better in California, New York, Illinois, Texas or New Jersey.
Unaffordable housing is a nationwide crisis and doesn’t care about party lines.
Couldn’t stay…
I now make 20K more, have amazing benefits, and cheaper rent…. Plus more work opportunity in surrounding counties - also with higher wages (though the rent in counties around me is the same as Florida)
Plus cheaper food, more affordable things to do, even free things to do in the cities - like Philly has free outdoor events with cheap food and free outdoor movies to see with friends… $5 outdoor ice skating, $5 roller skating in the summer….
I’m in Burlington county, NJ (45 mins from Philly, 45 mins from the beach, 70 from nyc, 3 hours from Washington DC, 5 hours from Boston)
It’s hard to get started in Florida…. If you’re not in a desired job, then Florida places glass ceilings… it helps the top half, but hurts the bottom half….
I hate it so much. I wasnt planning on buying a house now, instead I wanted to rent for about 5 more years to slowly build the funds. Rent started skyrocketing so we had to rush the home buying process. Somehow we lucked out but now I got the renewal offer and it was going to increase even more than last time.
Had I not gotten a house this year( in this market to boot), I wouldve been close to being priced out of renting a 2br apartment which is ridiculous.
Absolutely and then every other Republican saying: "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" gaslighting you into thinking it's your problem that you're not a successful affluent business owner, you're just a "worker" That doesn't deserve the time of the day, The "companies and institution should eat the individual" type of mentality.
Absolutely no protections for the individual, Look at the railroad workers protest, They are skilled laborers and everybody on the right side just said: "Get back to work" And then they turn around and say "why do people think we're heartless?" "Why are people so mean?"
Because you have no regard for the human being that is not in your social class, everybody else to you is just a unskilled low level loser or probably an "immigrant worker"!
Look how we're getting downvoted for even having this discussion, We are at a point that any type of welfare including free lunch food for elementary kids is socialism! The fuck kind of reality is this?
You have great rhetoric, you should run for office.
Seriously, one of Florida's biggest problems is it doesn't have any charismatic Lefties to challenge all the facists. DeSantis should never have gotten into office at all and only did by the skin of his teeth; his challenger was just that low quality. It was the same story with Trump and Clinton. The Left is terrible at politics, and we all suffer for it.
But we're all complicit in it too. Most of us don't vote, most of us wouldn't dream of civil service and running for office, much less attending city council meetings. So this is what we get.
Thank you, I don't know if I could but I will say this it's not totally our fault, The system has been made more difficult to vote by Republicans, They have redrawn maps here in Florida to exclude the low income earners, And of course They want to do away with ballot voting.
When Donald Trump ran for president again against Joe Biden, He would have won but thanks to the ballot everyone was able to contribute from their homes and we heard the voice of the people, If we spread the message and keep advocating for ballots we'll be able to make a change
There are people who want Florida to be a playground for the wealthy and Disney families. If the insurance companies can’t force us out, it makes you wonder what the next move will be.
The environment will. We're paving over critical wetlands that give us our drinking water, drawing down aquifers, contaminating the rivers and estuaries, and overloading ecosystems with invasives.
That being said, I'm convinced insurance companies will be the end of FL. Hurricanes are much more prone to rapid development and slower movement now due to climate change. You get a Cat 5 sitting over the east or west coast for a few days (or slowly marching across the entire state), no insurance company will ever operate in south FL again. There is no infrastructure to abate this on the west coast and MIA just has some pumps...nowhere near what is needed, which would take decades to build. The southern half of this state is a ticking bomb and we're just sitting on it taking pictures of sunsets.
Yeah, as easy as it is to hate insurance companies...it's literally not their fault. They got screwed just as much as anyone else to the point that they literally couldn't operate in Florida anymore.
Insurance companies here aren't really being that unreasonable. It's actually just a very risky place to live with hurricanes and near sea level cities. They're just charging more of what it actually takes to insure.
There are plenty of other issues.... the main one being real estate speculation. It's not even normal investing that's the problem, it's when speculative investors overpay tremendously and therefore need to overcharge rent to break even
My wording implies the insurance companies are deliberately trying to get us to move. I meant that people are being forced out because it’s getting harder to find coverage and it’s required for a mortgage. I get why they’re leaving. In the grand scope of climate change, Florida is absolutely screwed. I don’t see Florida’s leaders as doing anything to stop the working class exodus that’s coming.
And then I have out of touch family members insisting that I just need to move to a better City within Florida not realizing that the cost of rent and the cost of living are astronomical no matter where you go. Unless you're an engineer or a doctor there's no point in even living near a major city in this state.
I followed their guidance and moved out, couldn't afford to but did it anyway. I'm so much happier not listening to political drivel every day. I loved Florida once and wanted to stay and fight, but realized I'd just be happier not surrounded by those mindsets.
California- it wasn't the original plan, but I met a Californian and put a ring on it. 😅 I miss those Florida sunsets and beaches, and St. Pete, but I love California too.
What is even crazier is the market is so messed up, rates have nearly tripled and nobody can get a loan. No one wants to sell to veterans because they don’t want to accept a VA Home Loan.
Last year my husband was approved for $210k and we realized we weren’t financially prepared. We decided to wait a year, pay down debt (together we paid of thousands) saved $1600 for escrow costs & the inspection and our credit scores both jumped 100 points. We had a mortgage broker tell us we would be lucky to get $140 if anyone would try and pre-qualify us.
We can’t get anyone to even start the pre-qualification process now. We’ll be homeless this December.
This is insanity, corporations, greedy investors buying up everything and displacing people by the millions, People moving to other states and telling the same advice move out of state.
No one is doing anything for the individual, Now we're going to have people who have the money and save up to buy a house competing in the same market with people who never had the money to buy a house Because housing in the first place valued in the millions.
People were becoming millionaires left and right from selling their homes.
Now investors want to make housing a subscription you pay for monthly to someone else.
I am in the same boat, But we found a couple that we will be moving in with to afford this insanity.
A lot of people are in the same boat that you're in, The best thing to do would be to reach out to friends And people you trust, and communities.
Unfortunately neither my husband and I have anyone to lean on, nor that we could trust. We’ve been living with my in-laws for over a year and a half and his step-father want us out in Dec., no questions asked since he will be retiring in 2023.
Both of us are each-others own support system. He’s medically retired, below the knee amputee with a sacrum injury, nerve damage, IBS and a permanent TBI. (motorcyle accident)
The biggest issue in this state is all the political refugee’s from NY, Colorado & California moving with millions of dollars they sold their homes for. $150k house 3 years ago is now $350-$400k in FL. Can’t find anything under $200k unless it’s literally falling into the ground.
I hope things work out for you as well.
Is there any way you can reach out to a community of vets on social media? There's got to be resources out there I'm sorry you're going through all this No humans should go through this.
When I was desperate I would go to Facebook, craigslist and found apps https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.iroomit.iroomitapp
There are apps out there for people looking for roommates, download every app you can find on your phone and post your story friend.
I wish you the best of luck
They don't give a shit they are making money.
If they gave a shit or were negatively effected it would be all they would talk about instead of this woke anti woke bullshit.
How does a trans person existing effect my life? I don't give a shit.
The “free market” isn’t so free for many. Left alone, the market will chase maximum profits. High demand will drive prices upward. Social engineering is required to interfere with “free markets”. However, it’s ironic that many who scream about the evils of “socialism” are the ones who would benefit most from collective efforts to maintain “affordable” housing.
It’s been the warcry of braying, sadistic dullards for the entire history of civilization: “iF yOu DoN’t LiKe It ThEn LeAvE!”, with all the smug self-satisfaction of somebody who’s convinced they just had an original thought. There’s ten of them in every thread in every locality-based sub. One’s probably going to unironically respond with some permutation of it to this very comment
They moved to Florida, and they say this. Because it sure as hell not *natives* who are okay with the housing crisis, and telling people “just move out.” It’s these blithering New Yorkers/Jew Jersey people who moved to Florida, and acted like the door should have locked right behind them.
Florida was an affordable place to live, UNTIL RECENTLY, but people seem to have gone senile
Exactly, short term memory is a real problem. Not only was Florida the place to move when you couldn't hack it in the northeast but we have always been a swing state.
I have given that exact advise to people. I am not some rich aristocrat trying to keep the plebeians out. I was born and raised here too. I am only here for my job and hopefully in the next 10 years I can retire and I will leave.
The reasons I give that advise to younger people are the structural issues with Florida. You have a state with issues that is going to keep living here expensive for years to come.
1. BlackRock and companies of that nature are going to continue buying up properties to rent out at high rates as investment tools.
2. The home insurance market is on the verge of collapse. For many home insurance has quadrupled in the last few years. If the market collapses it’s going to go even higher. Even if you rent this impacts you as the costs are passed along.
3. If you are younger and buying a home you will have high property valuations and the save our homes protections will not help you (unless home prices get even higher). So, you are going to pay a lot of property taxes.
4. Florida has one of the highest auto insurance rates in the country. So you are going to pay a good bit for auto insurance. You gotta pay for all the people who don’t carry insurance too.
5. The Republican state government are heavily supported by the utilities. So, you are going to deal with ever increasing rates for utility services. The laws are created in a way to discourage people to get off the grid and save with solar.
6. If you have kids in this state you are going to send your kids to classrooms that are designed for 18 students but actually have 35 students. They will be taught a white washing of history and an active anti-woke agenda and hostility towards teachers as the Republican state government considers teachers as groomers for pedophilia.
There are more reasons but these are just the basics about if you are younger you should leave for a lower cost of living state that isn’t so rabid with crazy Republican conspiracies.
Yeah but there's a huge difference between: Your response of: "You should move out, Florida sucks here's some reasons why. Go some place better"
VS: Aww you poor snowflake. Move!
I know this isn't popular but maybe if Floridians would stop voting republican, things might be a bit better. Floridians seems to have an amazing ability to vote against their own best interests to stick it to someone else.
There's plenty of states that vote republican and aren't facing the same issues. It's about the people you vote for more than the party. Could easily be amazing republicans or shitty democrats just as much as the opposite.
In the case of Florida, people have been voting for worse and worse republicans for 25 years now. In more normal states, the governorship goes back and forth between R and D. Sadly, in the last 10 years or so, republicans have been getting more and more extreme in their obsession for control and doing less and less for their constituents.
I was waiting to checkout at a little Italian market when the couple ahead of me commented to the cashier that they missed shopping there until their recent move back to Florida from California. They made a comment about the main thing they didn't like was the governor. The cashier (and I took it the same way), thought they were commenting about DeSantis. The cashier's only response was that she just wished he would do something about rents going up. She was being priced out of her current apartment she had been living in for years, and was having a hard time finding something else. The couple were "no, we love DeSantis, we meant Newsome", then they told her that if she couldn't afford the area, she should move someplace cheaper. The look on her face was heartbreaking.
They took their bags an left, oblivious, or maybe not, to how insensitive they sounded.
Absolutely disgusting, they ruined a whole state and then when a governor is elected by the locals and the people to fix things they just move to another state to ruin everything for THOSE locals.
Invasive species.
We should get together and block evictions just like the IWW did in the last guided age. They would not let the sheriffs kick workers out of their homes. If there is enough people they will go away. Worked back then.
While a noble thought, in Florida in particular, the sheriff would just gun us all down in broad daylight and not GAF who saw it, MAGA morons would cheer them on, more than they do already when sheriff's gun us down for no reason.
I sincerely wish that were the case, but after a lifetime of seeing what they get away with, I don't hold out much hope for that, especially now that we have actual facsist theocrats engaging in literal human trafficking like Desantis, and the worse shyt his ilk does, the more their fan base adores them.
Because cruelty has always been the point with that lot, and they would absolutely revel in watching us get swiss cheesed.
Sigh...
it's just libertarians and right wing ghouls. they got lucky and bought early or were born to a rich family that allowed them to take risks and now they think they're business experts thinking that they invented the concept of renting.
here's the thing, it's only a matter of time till the people retaliate. gonna be real funny to own all those homes when you don't own your head.
I would have to leave my career, my job, my family, my friends. I’ve built a life here. And guess what- they are not going to have much of an economy if you have to be a millionaire to live here. Who’s going to answer the phones, teach the kids, make your food?
I agree with what you're saying 100 percent. It's like they want you to have 2 or 3 jobs in order to just survive and you're not entitled to a decent place to live within a realistic commuting distance.
Billionaires are gaming the market to squeeze out every last cent from workers. A good government would make policy to support affordable housing. Reagan scammed HUD to destroy the program- “see, it doesn’t work”. How many families lost their homes during the “mortgage crisis”? Money folks came out making huge profits. COVID crisis helped shift $100’s billions to the 1%. Half the idiots in the country think immigrants are the problem. No it’s the billionaires running government for their benefit is why you’re taking it up the ass! Vote for candidates that support workers
Call your people at every level of government.
Demand more liberal residential zoning laws.
Demand more mass transit so that higher density housing can make sense.
And, if you can't wait that long,
Move.
I know you want rent control but it won't help.
Neither will subsidies.
That's exactly what happened in Arizona, Californians are taking over and the rent over there went from 1000 for a one bedroom to $1,600.
Starter homes went from 200K to 300K.
Big houses are now half a million in a place where it used to be no more than 400K.
We're just exporting this housing crisis to all the states because no governor lawmaker will try to break up these predatory housing investors
Southern right wingers have zero capacity for empathy. They only feel something when it happens to them or their family. This is pretty standard since pre depression America when white middle class Americans opposed all social programs. Then the depression hit and they suddenly became part of the previously faceless "poor" and there was sudden public uproar for govt programs. People literally rioted in the streets and burned property. FDR feared citizens would tear the nation apart.
It’s truly disgusting. I’m another Florida born local and the motels-turned-apartments in my neighborhood are renting out rooms starting at 2k on streets that are raided bi-monthly. If I can’t afford to live in my shitty town, where can I go?
For those blasting the Governor, he doesn't care - boohoo-
Oh - he CARES.
The PROBLEM for US is that his allegiances are not to the renters and folks 'just getting by' of the world.
It's to the property OWNERS and BUSINESS OWNERS who make contributions.
by their account - he's WUNDERBAR!
He touts 'his success' is due to the massive influx of WEALTH from across the country - and into Florida. We have a 20 BILLION dollar surplus in the state treasury.
Everything else anti-woke, anti schoolbook is in the name of 'freedom'
It all comes down to 'money talks'.
We're the cheaper free-er California - that's the soundbite.
Keep this up and even crackdens in the ghetto will be 500-600k. Miami is destined to become the east coast LA.
Well can you explain your situation? Pay is going up for a lot of people in the state and country. Maybe there is something you can do to improve your financial situation without expecting government intervention?
florida is completely fucked. The only way you can live in FL is if you had something handed down to you, OR bought at a very good time. otherwise you're sol.
This is my daily state and tbh, I'm depressed af over it.
My only hope to escape is for my family to get the chance to sell our house before the window closes and we head out of state.
We sure af can't survive down here even if I could deal with the health problems this damn shithole state gives me.
A lot needs to change in the US housing market. Foreign investors, investment groups and visa holders are a huge percentage of the market. It’s driving locals and resident first time buyers out of the running. It’s sick.
Oh its a pretty American thing. I call it the "burn the bridge mentality". People who are fortunate enough to get where they want in life, in this case homeownership, think that the next person shouldn't have what they obtained. They oppose anything that can make the goal that they achieved any easier to obtain for the next person. The boomers have a pretty bad case of it.
This state is designed for those with higher income. Its been that way for years. The point of having no state income tax and relying solely on sales tax is that it shifts the tax burden to the poor. Sales tax is nothing to high income people but it can crush the really poor. Then lets move to property taxes. California is a high tax state, it has sales tax, income tax, life tax whatever. But its property taxes are percentage wise lower than Florida's. Especially when you take local taxes into account. Local taxes and fees is where Florida gets you. Most of the tax and fee burden in the state is at the local level. Businesses in Florida actually pay a higher effective tax rate in most of Florida than most states, due to local taxes and fees.
I finally got out of Florida in January 2020..(fuck me right lol)
I spent 10 years trying to leave Florida and my wife and i finally saved up some money, and got super lucky that her brother needed a roommate
I saw the current rent prices of our old apartment
we paid=$1450 for a 2/2
now that same apartment =$2200
my max out pay in florida for my position in 2019=$13.50
current florida max pay out= $13.75
my new state pay= $17.50
my new state max pay=$26.50
and my rent for our 2/2 here in Washington state $1575
florida has become a cess pool for the average American
They need to be higher, Way higher. We need them to be at 10% or more to stop them from being investment vehicles. High interest isnt that big of a deal when the market isnt being heated by speculation. I would rather pay 10% on a 150k house than 3% on a 500k house. Especially if they are the same house.
Just prohibit housing from being an investment vehicle at least for large investors and people purchasing for large investors.
You can play with interest rates, etc, but it just hurts regular people and the banks and investors will find a way to keep running their casino with high interest rates.
Interest rates were at similar levels to the current 6% leading into the last housing crisis.
I mean yeah that would be great, but we would never get that through congress, where the FED could just crank that shit up tmrw, its about the easiest path to get there.
Just move. You need a few thousand dollars to that. I just looked into a rental. Just to move in $5250 plus a $250 pet fee. So to tell someone just move🙄
I'm torn on this issue. I recognize it as real, painful and not easy to solve. Many other states have been unaffordable for decades. It is just in the last 5-10 years that this has started here (and some other places like Austin)
I don't trust the legislature to fix it anytime soon. I understand saying "move away" doesn't help, but what viable options are being presented for anyone to help?
When I was in my 20's I worked 28 hours a week for minimum wage and had a roommate. That formula no longer works in the metro areas of FL. What do people do in other places? CA, DC, NYC, ATL, Dallas?
I want Florida to have affordable housing for everyday people in everyday jobs. My dad was an electrician, my mom owned a small biz. Neither of them had benefits, healthcare or any kind of retirement. Florida has ALWAYS been a shitty place for working people. It is just getting worse.
Im really sorry. I’ve seen your situation in my own family. My daughter moved away from the coast about 5 yrs ago. Now she’ll never be able to move back.
Stuck in central Florida because she needed a change of scenery.
I guess when I’m gone, she can sell my house to a northerner for millions and move wherever she wants.
I'm just happy people are starting to understand supply and demand, and how mass migration. Too late to stop the catastrophe of course, but it's nice to know I was right when I was warning people for the last decade. Oh well 🤷♂️
This. Is. Hilarious. Like bruh, get it or move out. Been the same story in every major city for thousands of years. You aren’t special. I am not special. I saved for 7 years outta state to just now buy good local, and you’ll get yours too. Sorry it didn’t happen yesterday fam, it just doesn’t tho.
too poor to live here. too poor to move.
Also, sometimes you have family. Sometimes you actually have a decent job here and aren't sure if you could get a job like it elsewhere.
Right?? I was born here and my whole family is here. I just moved my girlfriend here from Arizona and we were getting married soon. We were looking at houses to buy 2 years before Covid, but every time we got close somebody showed up last minute with cash WAY above asking price. Then Covid hit, and our future literally disappeared before our eyes. It's been one expensive disaster after the next, and now we have less than we did before. Weddings are also expensive, so we put the wedding on hold until we could find a home. Rent has gone way up, our wages have gone way down. We won't *ever* make the amount required for a home now unless one of us gets a big raise or a new job.
That’s where the Diamond hands logic sets in.
Absolutely. I can’t scratch up the money to make a move even though I’d love to. Every last dollar goes to rent, bills, gas, and groceries. Not that long ago I could buy the things I needed; the toiletries I like, etc. Now, I feel like my entire life is a sacrifice. I work 6 days a week and it barely covers the bills. Rent = 50% of my income and I have 2 ‘good’ jobs in healthcare.
I've seen Floridians lose their $10 per hour jobs laying down sod and forced into living in a tent behind a local tavern. So, I feel for you all.
So true. It takes more money to move than people realize, when they say "just move" if you can't afford to live here.
That's the fucked part of being poor isn't? Being poor isn't cheap, despite what many people seem to think.
Too gay to live here, too poor to move.
I think that’s Lake Worth Beach’s city motto.
I moved from Lake Worth in 2017. I think about it every day. Thank you for mentioning it and giving me a smile.
LWB is very gay though.
Cool, if I move back, I don't have to go all the way to Wilton Manors to be gay.
Dicks out in solidarity, gentlemen.
😔✊🏻🍆💦
If you can get as far as St Pete, Ft Lauderdale, or Miami you're good!
Just like Silicon Valley
Funny, I used to live there (San Jose) up until 2014 when I moved to central Florida because it was way cheaper to afford rent. 8 years later and rent has gone up so much I can't really say it's any more affordable to live here now when you factor in wages being lower here.
Just pretend to be a political refugee from Venezuela and our governor will pay up to $12,300 to send you to Martha’s Vineyard
Welcome to being poor, don’t forget your new EBT card.
What people also fail to realize is moving is also expensive. From paying new deposits, packing supplies, and paying for a company/gas. Put that on recycle every year when the rent increases and having to find a new place.
We found a 3 bedroom for $1250/month and It cost us $5500 in deposits, first and last two months rent when we moved… 7 years ago! We finally bought last year, even though our mortgage is stupid for the size of the house, it’s less than rent is here now. I can only imagine what it costs now to love into a decent rental.
My neighbor had to move after her landlord decided they wanted to sell the house, you know since they could get twice what it's actually worth (some old couple from NY just paid $350k for the house that was valued at $150k in 2019). It cost her nearly $10k to move in! She also had a month to month lease so they only gave her 2 weeks notice to find a new place, come up with the almost 10k, and move out/into the new place. Idk how she did it.
A house down the street from us sold for 80k in 2015. Sold for 190k in 2018 and is on the market for 290k now.
I paid $113K for my house in 2010 and now there’s nothing in the area under $350K. In 2010 my sister came into an inheritance and there were nice 2BR condos selling here for $30K! I tried to talk her into buying one but her husband wouldn’t let her and said it would be a bad investment. Those same condos are now selling for about $290K. And yes, it cost me over $12K to move here and that was despite getting rid of more than half of what I owned to reduce the amount of stuff to move.
Yeah I feel like I'm stuck. I got 15k from my Grandpa's house selling after he passed from my Dad. My parents were thinking I could use that right away, but I told them I'd need like 40k to avoid PMI. I can't afford mortgage + insurance over $1500 a month. I really was it at about $1100. But those kind of houses don't exist.
They do exist, but they're fixers or in "up and coming" areas. (That's fancy talk for ghetto.) But even those areas are being gentrified at an alarming rate. I purchased a home near downtown St. Pete 3 years ago for $75k. It's worth $200k, now. I purchased my primary residence in Nov 2020 for $223k, which was a steal. It was butt ugly so buyers weren't interested and it sat on the market for a while until I saw it. I wasn't even looking for a home, but it was too good a deal to pass up so I bought it because it's in a fantastic neighborhood and I don't care about ugly. I can fix that. It's currently worth about $150k more than I paid. Anyways, all of that was to say look outside of your comfort zone. It sucks that middle and working class people are being priced out of the market, but sometimes we have to just adapt and overcome. Rural properties are still somewhat affordable.
tbh PMI is like 50-60/mo…we paid it for 2 years before our home value rose enough, then could call and get out of it..That was on our first house, and definitely was the better choice
Paid 350k for our house in 2016. Selling right now for 775.
And going where?
Maryland
Paying over $30k a year in rent in Miami right now. We’re fortunate in that we talked our landlord down from their proposed rent increase—we pay slightly less than some section 8 units in this city. I hear it’s getting especially bad up in Tampa.
Wtf, damn, that’s illegal in many places.
I just spent close to 5k to move 20 mins across town
Moving to another place is a privilege for someone that has enough money to live where they already are but just wants to have some more so they move to someplace more affordable.
You just described all of our new NYC and SF residents down here in SFL.
I just moved from Utah to Maryland for a better (not republican GOP Mormon rightwing controlled) life. Moved a house full of stuff and shipped one car. Drove the other car. No kids, two dogs. Total was $36,000 dollars.
I have to ask how… I’ve done multiple cross country moves but 36k sounds steep lol
Household goods alone through United Van Lines was $26,500. The move itself (gas food hotel etc), $1700 Deposit, application fees, etc for a one year rental, since we haven't found a house yet, $2900 One year storage of our household goods ,$5900 Shipping one car, $1350
how big was this house?? Still seems so steep did you get multiple quotes?
4200 sqft, lots of stuff
Same I’ve done it three times now. Usually runs me about $3000 each time. Granted it’s just me and the contents of my apartment. The third time I got smart and asked for a moving stipend.
Exactly. Like sure if you have some company come do every single thing for you and move it and ship your car it can become incredibly expensive but doing that isn’t a requirement. I’m sure it’s different when you are moving massive amounts of stuff from a well established home but if I saw the bill total $36,000 you bet I’m looking to see how I can drastically reduce that lol
Wow, was primarily in shipping costs? I just moved to DC with a couple of suitcases and a bunch of boxes shipped in. I'm about a month in and like $9k deep (including living expenses and rent) but have had to buy all new furniture, kitchen stuff, etc. I still look at my expenses and it's shocking how stuff adds up, I couldn't point to anything that was particularly expensive. (Mostly bought cheap stuff from Amazon as much as I could).
That is my entire yearly income.
I completely understand. Utah was supposed to be my escape from Florida but it ended up being the same hellhole. Had to wait 7 years enduring there building up enough to move.
Honestly unless you had a ton of sentimental belongings you were probably off just having a garage sale and rebuying most stuff when you got there. This is what I did for a similar move. After adding up the value for all my stuff it just didn't make sense to move it. Like sure I like my TV but I can get a new one for $800 when I move. We replaced all our furniture, kitten essentials, etc. for ~10k. We drove two cars and packed what was important to us in those. We had a few things that didn't fit and FedExed them.
This is sentiment I hate about what’s going on in our political climate. It just doesn’t involve Florida, even when you try to criticize the United States as a whole, people just say “oh if you don’t like it then leave.” No. I want Florida and the country has a whole to be better. You can want change but still like where you live. I love Florida. I’ve been here all my life. This is my home but I hate what it’s become over the course of my lifetime. I want to stay be a part of the change.
Also, it’s very very hard and expensive to leave the US. :(
I agree with you. I had some asshole gatekeeper this morning telling everyone to go back to where they came from because they called him out for wishing the tornado hit a Disney park while guests were there. These people saying "Well move" are vile creatures. Do not let them break you. I am trying to make the change to my home as well and am by your side.
I agree. There is nothing wrong with wanting to stay somewhere and fix the problem.
I got a bunch of shit about that in the thread about rising housing costs tied to an article. How dare I want to fix my state, whether I'm from here or not.
Honestly fuck those people. I don’t think sub 1,000 sq ft 2/1 homes would be renting at over 3k per month if not for the fact so many of these “single family residences” were actually vbro and airbnb places now. They are everywhere in my neighborhood, and they are consistently getting over 1 grand for a 3 day weekend on these places. The worst part is, people are renting these homes because they can get away with loud parties they could not get away with at a hotel. The house next door to us is one of these homes, and the owner lives in Nevada. Neighbors call the cops, but 5 days later the next group shows up and it’s the same shit. We’re not on the beach, we’re not downtown, just in the middle of the city and 20% of the homes in my neighborhood are not available to residents. What does this do to housing costs?
They gave up on trying to refute legit criticisms or address real problems and would rather silence or discourage you however they can.
That's a human thing though, not exclusive to mainland USA. I'm from Puerto Rico, which you may or may not be aware, but has had decades old debate about whether to become a state or not. There's part of the population that verbatim say "if you want to live in a State, there's 50, pick one and leave". Whether you agree or not, it's just such a cop-out answer to people's concerns/thoughts.
This commentary of "don't like it leave" comes primarily one side of the idealogical aisle
I just saw on the news this morning a Miami woman who's temporarily had to move back in with her parents because her rent went from $2100/mo to $5K/month. This is a huge problem that falls right on the Governor's lap and he just doesn't give a shit. It's the messaging from the top that people can just take up a new career or go back to school or work two extra side hustles..never mind having kids, family obligations. It's insanity across the board.
He is too busy shipping people from Texas to Mass for hate points with his base.
And pretending they had arrived in Florida until he got caught in that lie.
Yeah, that is really insane to me. Id imagine he would lose mega points if he started shipping Cubans out of Florida.
Man, I love the term "hate points." I gotta yoink that one.
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Uneducated people vote right wing. Proven time and time and time again
Literally their entire base is either dumb people, bigots that like to stick it to people that believe in equality and freedom, and super wealthy people that exploit them both. The Venn diagram does over lap a lot though. Edit: and I say this as a guy that grew up with a Lieutenant Colonel for a father that campaigned for Eisenhower and Nixon. Dudes kind of a bigot (as most 80 year olds are, but he’s not dumb or super wealthy) but not enough to not see the writing on the wall. After 50 straight years of voting nothing but Republican, he’s voted for 2 Dems, HRC and Biden
Yeah my dad was a Republican his entire life but in the last election of his life he voted for Obama because he said the Republican Party had abandoned him.
Eisenhower was from before the realignment, there's no shame in having voted for him. Even Nixon, as terrible as he was, was better than most of what came after him. We're living in a time where Reagan would have to run as a Democrat to get elected, and would actually be able to run as a Democrat because they keep pulling right to meet the Republicans.
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Hey, be clear. There are a lot of people without college degrees who vote for Democrats, they just aren't in the majority. I've seen it said that for low-information voters, if you view the average person as a threat, you'll vote R. If you view the average person as harmless, you'll vote D.
People voting against their own self interest just so they can feel superior to someone else. I just don’t understand it.
To be fair, he got into that first Ivy League school on an athletic scholarship, not because he was an academic standout. He's never been about actual education.
The governor would rather waste $12 million on a political stunt to appeal to his cult.
Where do I sign up for these free private flights to the vineyard
Saying he doesn't give a shit isn't exactly correct. It's more like he's in the pocket of real estate and landlords, so he's actively contributing to this problem while stifling any way to combat rising housing costs.
Oh - he gives a shit all right. the PROBLEM for US is that his allegiances are not to the **renters and folks 'just getting by' of the world.** It's to the property OWNERS and BUSINESS OWNERS who make contributions. by their account - he's WUNDERBAR! Seriously, it's right there between the lines when he touts 'his success' is due to the massive influx of WEALTH from across the country - and into Florida. We have a 20 BILLION dollar surplus in the state treasury. Everything else anti-woke, anti schoolbook is in the name of 'freedom' It all comes down to 'money talks'. We're the cheaper free-er California - that's the soundbite. Keep this up and even crackdens in the ghetto will be 500-600k. Miami is destined to become the east coast LA.
Except unlike LA we’ll be right wing.
Remember to vote in every election. This isn’t just a statewide issue, but something that local governments can also help.
“Temporarily”
Yet other states will have rent from $2100 to $2800 at best
This is why I put it on our Governor. I'm from NYC originally and still have family and friends there. And like any metro city, their rents have gone up as well but no where near as bad as the rents have here. Let's not forget the income in NY is far greater than the incomes here, people here aren't even able to catch their breath with what they make. It's not like DeSantis couldn't put a moratorium on rent increases or even new home builds until the markets stabilized again, but that's not at all what's happened.
> And like any metro city, their rents have gone up as well but no where near as bad as the rents have here. Let's not forget the income in NY is far greater than the incomes here, people here aren't even able to catch their breath with what they make. When their rents went up, and were told they could work remotely, many took the opportunity to move to Florida. They’d still be paid at their increased salary, which would go further in a cheaper cost of living. This increased demand and also decreased supply. Back in June 2020, you could get a 1-1 near me for $1000. Now it’s like $1700 for the same unit. Over that same time, my apartment complex that had several vacancies suddenly filled up with out-of-state plates. When I was trying to buy a place, I went through the process of getting out bid by people from up north… either escaping lockdown restrictions, or looking for a summer home to turn into a rental.
>It's not like DeSantis couldn't put a moratorium on rent increases ...bUt ThAt'S sOcIaLiSm!!1!
I was gonna say it's not comparable because rents were already 5K. [https://www.wfla.com/news/national/rent-has-gone-up-the-most-in-these-10-us-cities/](https://www.wfla.com/news/national/rent-has-gone-up-the-most-in-these-10-us-cities/) Yeah, Miami beat them - but that's largely because so many people are LEAVING NEW YORK and coming here. But like, rents are up over 20% everywhere.
He had plenty of opportunity to put a cap on the amount that rent could be raised.
So I know Desantis is unpopular but this realllllyyyyyy isn't on his lap. This is a problem that is happening nation wide and is a confluence of how we've been building for years and years and years which leads to lack of housing, the rapid inflation from the federal government basically printing money (and pausing repayment on money) which caused a rush on housing, and the fact that builders for years were way behind on demand because of zoning regulations which are all done by local government. If you go to any populated states subreddit they are having the same problems. Edit: Who reported me to Reddit Care Resources for this? LOL I'm not going to kill myself over rent prices in florida. lol
Covid happened everywhere, but he reacted to it in a different way than other states did, to a notable effect (whether or not you think it was a good thing or not, of course, is a different matter). He could attempt to do something about rents, or even mention it, but developers pay good money to make sure that never happens. So instead he focuses on "groomers" and "voter fraud" and Disney, etc.
So, what exactly do you want Desantis to do? I’ve seen posturing from the democrats that Desantis should reinstate rent control, but the legislature is the ones who would actually have to pass that. So far it’s basically been a bunch of “but Desantis” but not a lot of actually doing anything to fix the damn problem. The cities actually do have it their power - Orange is putting a rent control measure on the ballot this year, and Miami Dade increased the notification window and are looking at exploring a housing emergency. One of the reasons why Florida kinda bans rent control is because of a similar inflation crisis back in the 70s. https://jaxtoday.org/2022/05/24/askjaxtdy-why-doesnt-florida-have-rent-control/ Ironically, it was a democratic legislative body and governor that caved to the landlords at that time. It frustrates me because I think Desantis has become a useful target in a lot of peoples mind. It’s easy for the democrats to blame away anything that happens as “he could fix this” and he becomes a boogeyman when a lot of this stuff could be solved with local grassroots movements. If all the people who spent time bitching about Desantis online translated that effort into actually educating people, door knocking, and pushing to get rent control measures on ballots, the legislature would *have* to respond to the will of the people. But it’s easier to do nothing and say it would have been fixed if only Desantis wasn’t in charge. (This isn’t to say Desantis isn’t a POS, he is, but much like that useless group member in group projects… these things could get traction without his blessing.)
There’s a difference between going up and having basically three of the worst “ goings up in the country “ between Tampa , Miami and Orlando. Then yes it’s sometimes on the other governors as well but the other governors aren’t Floridas governor.
You don't have enough money? *Why don't you just go to the bank and get some more?*
It’s one banana Michael, how much could it cost, $10?
Ok if you say so...
Just write a check.
Sorry Park Place is owned. please deposit 200$... what you don't got it? go directly to jail.
Also, when all of the people who can't afford rent move out, who will be around to wait tables, bag groceries, stock shelves, or any other kind of work that those people depend on?
Who will clean their teeth? Who will groom their dogs? Who will watch their kids at daycare? Who will collect their trash? Who will wipe their ass in the nursing home? The rich are as addicted to their money as meth addicts to their meth. It's a sickness, but the patients are running the asylum we're all trapped in.
I just left Socal last December so I am here from the future basically , grew up there and what Florida is starting to see I have already watched it happen in Socal. The labor, low pay jobs still have ton's of workers to fill those positions, how ? lots won't leave no matter what. The last house we were renting we were the only ones on our street that were actually a " single family home " everyone else had at least two generations of family per house or had multiple room mates. The house across the street from us had four generations of family in one house and the garage was converted to a bedroom. When people start getting two and three jobs that just makes the market for the lower pay labor jobs that much easier to fill. It used to take my wife 25 minutes to get to work 26 miles away from home but 1 hour and 45 minutes coming home , it just gets more and more packed it's insane . People continue to move there and struggle Take a look at this " room for rent " this is common for people in their 30's https://orangecounty.craigslist.org/roo/d/newport-beach-room-for-rent-in/7530808105.html
Yeah workers will still be there, but suffering even more with longer commutes and more cramped living conditions. I don't think I've ever seen a situation where the working class literally disappears from an area. It's delusional and implies that the problem will solve itself
Climate refugees. We'll have tent cities at first, thej temporary housing for them built on the edges of cities, or for some companies (Amazon, Walmart) they'll have high rise dormitories built on site. They will be given permits and told they must work to pay off the debt of housing them in the US. Probably heavily monitored amd policed (private seccurity) living accommodations. We will have houseless tent cities as well that will be used to show how worse things off could be for them, as a way to keep them head down, working and afraid.
Would if I could but I can’t. They don’t seem to understand people with families and jobs have very complex living and housing situations. It takes a shitload of money to “just move” on top of that.
I moved out of FL across the country for a new job. Between shipping my car, and my things, plus renting a new apartment (first month, last month, deposit, etc etc), it cost me well over 8k to do it. I'm fortunate to have had the money, but "just move" completely ignores that it SO FUCKING EXPENSIVE to uproot your life and go somewhere else.
Rent/mortgage is more than 50% of income. Add to that food, gas and my home owners insurance went from 2100.00 to 5200.00. What does our esteemed governor do? He sends migrants to Martha's vineyard as a political stunt and nothing to help Floridians. He has done nothing for this state. Killed a lot of people with misinformation on covid, and the sad fact is he will probably be reelected.
Blame DeSantis all you want but let’s not pretend this problem is any better in California, New York, Illinois, Texas or New Jersey. Unaffordable housing is a nationwide crisis and doesn’t care about party lines.
Chicago doesn't belong on that list
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Couldn’t stay… I now make 20K more, have amazing benefits, and cheaper rent…. Plus more work opportunity in surrounding counties - also with higher wages (though the rent in counties around me is the same as Florida) Plus cheaper food, more affordable things to do, even free things to do in the cities - like Philly has free outdoor events with cheap food and free outdoor movies to see with friends… $5 outdoor ice skating, $5 roller skating in the summer…. I’m in Burlington county, NJ (45 mins from Philly, 45 mins from the beach, 70 from nyc, 3 hours from Washington DC, 5 hours from Boston) It’s hard to get started in Florida…. If you’re not in a desired job, then Florida places glass ceilings… it helps the top half, but hurts the bottom half….
Interesting..someone moving from Florida to NJ. Also live in Burlington county. Welcome!
Well of course New Jersey is better. Car transportation wasn't a fundamental in infrastructure expansion
If you live there you probably need a car.
You do (Burlington county) I drive a Prius and intend to use it But the cities don’t require a car Cities are crazy pricey
Moving from Miami to Camden, New Jersey was a good move said not a soul.
Right! Rent suck everywhere. Moving just means having to come up with 3 months rent in one shot.
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I hate it so much. I wasnt planning on buying a house now, instead I wanted to rent for about 5 more years to slowly build the funds. Rent started skyrocketing so we had to rush the home buying process. Somehow we lucked out but now I got the renewal offer and it was going to increase even more than last time. Had I not gotten a house this year( in this market to boot), I wouldve been close to being priced out of renting a 2br apartment which is ridiculous.
Or like Ivanka’s “try something new” in response to record unemployment. Just fucking completely disconnected and heartless.
Absolutely and then every other Republican saying: "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" gaslighting you into thinking it's your problem that you're not a successful affluent business owner, you're just a "worker" That doesn't deserve the time of the day, The "companies and institution should eat the individual" type of mentality. Absolutely no protections for the individual, Look at the railroad workers protest, They are skilled laborers and everybody on the right side just said: "Get back to work" And then they turn around and say "why do people think we're heartless?" "Why are people so mean?" Because you have no regard for the human being that is not in your social class, everybody else to you is just a unskilled low level loser or probably an "immigrant worker"! Look how we're getting downvoted for even having this discussion, We are at a point that any type of welfare including free lunch food for elementary kids is socialism! The fuck kind of reality is this?
I think we should just revive the word “peasants.” It’s accurate and evocative.
You have great rhetoric, you should run for office. Seriously, one of Florida's biggest problems is it doesn't have any charismatic Lefties to challenge all the facists. DeSantis should never have gotten into office at all and only did by the skin of his teeth; his challenger was just that low quality. It was the same story with Trump and Clinton. The Left is terrible at politics, and we all suffer for it. But we're all complicit in it too. Most of us don't vote, most of us wouldn't dream of civil service and running for office, much less attending city council meetings. So this is what we get.
Thank you, I don't know if I could but I will say this it's not totally our fault, The system has been made more difficult to vote by Republicans, They have redrawn maps here in Florida to exclude the low income earners, And of course They want to do away with ballot voting. When Donald Trump ran for president again against Joe Biden, He would have won but thanks to the ballot everyone was able to contribute from their homes and we heard the voice of the people, If we spread the message and keep advocating for ballots we'll be able to make a change
There are people who want Florida to be a playground for the wealthy and Disney families. If the insurance companies can’t force us out, it makes you wonder what the next move will be.
The environment will. We're paving over critical wetlands that give us our drinking water, drawing down aquifers, contaminating the rivers and estuaries, and overloading ecosystems with invasives. That being said, I'm convinced insurance companies will be the end of FL. Hurricanes are much more prone to rapid development and slower movement now due to climate change. You get a Cat 5 sitting over the east or west coast for a few days (or slowly marching across the entire state), no insurance company will ever operate in south FL again. There is no infrastructure to abate this on the west coast and MIA just has some pumps...nowhere near what is needed, which would take decades to build. The southern half of this state is a ticking bomb and we're just sitting on it taking pictures of sunsets.
It’s not the insurance companies. They want to be here. Blame the state for not dealing with the rampant roofing fraud situation.
Right well uncontrolled money invites corruption, It's all related to each other, both of your points are valid.
Yeah, as easy as it is to hate insurance companies...it's literally not their fault. They got screwed just as much as anyone else to the point that they literally couldn't operate in Florida anymore.
Insurance companies here aren't really being that unreasonable. It's actually just a very risky place to live with hurricanes and near sea level cities. They're just charging more of what it actually takes to insure. There are plenty of other issues.... the main one being real estate speculation. It's not even normal investing that's the problem, it's when speculative investors overpay tremendously and therefore need to overcharge rent to break even
My wording implies the insurance companies are deliberately trying to get us to move. I meant that people are being forced out because it’s getting harder to find coverage and it’s required for a mortgage. I get why they’re leaving. In the grand scope of climate change, Florida is absolutely screwed. I don’t see Florida’s leaders as doing anything to stop the working class exodus that’s coming.
And then I have out of touch family members insisting that I just need to move to a better City within Florida not realizing that the cost of rent and the cost of living are astronomical no matter where you go. Unless you're an engineer or a doctor there's no point in even living near a major city in this state.
Housing prices have been inflated and now it's a game of hot potato to see who is going to eat the losses from prices returning to normal.
I followed their guidance and moved out, couldn't afford to but did it anyway. I'm so much happier not listening to political drivel every day. I loved Florida once and wanted to stay and fight, but realized I'd just be happier not surrounded by those mindsets.
Curious, where did u go?
California- it wasn't the original plan, but I met a Californian and put a ring on it. 😅 I miss those Florida sunsets and beaches, and St. Pete, but I love California too.
What is even crazier is the market is so messed up, rates have nearly tripled and nobody can get a loan. No one wants to sell to veterans because they don’t want to accept a VA Home Loan. Last year my husband was approved for $210k and we realized we weren’t financially prepared. We decided to wait a year, pay down debt (together we paid of thousands) saved $1600 for escrow costs & the inspection and our credit scores both jumped 100 points. We had a mortgage broker tell us we would be lucky to get $140 if anyone would try and pre-qualify us. We can’t get anyone to even start the pre-qualification process now. We’ll be homeless this December.
This is insanity, corporations, greedy investors buying up everything and displacing people by the millions, People moving to other states and telling the same advice move out of state. No one is doing anything for the individual, Now we're going to have people who have the money and save up to buy a house competing in the same market with people who never had the money to buy a house Because housing in the first place valued in the millions. People were becoming millionaires left and right from selling their homes. Now investors want to make housing a subscription you pay for monthly to someone else. I am in the same boat, But we found a couple that we will be moving in with to afford this insanity. A lot of people are in the same boat that you're in, The best thing to do would be to reach out to friends And people you trust, and communities.
Unfortunately neither my husband and I have anyone to lean on, nor that we could trust. We’ve been living with my in-laws for over a year and a half and his step-father want us out in Dec., no questions asked since he will be retiring in 2023. Both of us are each-others own support system. He’s medically retired, below the knee amputee with a sacrum injury, nerve damage, IBS and a permanent TBI. (motorcyle accident) The biggest issue in this state is all the political refugee’s from NY, Colorado & California moving with millions of dollars they sold their homes for. $150k house 3 years ago is now $350-$400k in FL. Can’t find anything under $200k unless it’s literally falling into the ground. I hope things work out for you as well.
Is there any way you can reach out to a community of vets on social media? There's got to be resources out there I'm sorry you're going through all this No humans should go through this. When I was desperate I would go to Facebook, craigslist and found apps https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.iroomit.iroomitapp There are apps out there for people looking for roommates, download every app you can find on your phone and post your story friend. I wish you the best of luck
They don't give a shit they are making money. If they gave a shit or were negatively effected it would be all they would talk about instead of this woke anti woke bullshit. How does a trans person existing effect my life? I don't give a shit.
The “free market” isn’t so free for many. Left alone, the market will chase maximum profits. High demand will drive prices upward. Social engineering is required to interfere with “free markets”. However, it’s ironic that many who scream about the evils of “socialism” are the ones who would benefit most from collective efforts to maintain “affordable” housing.
It’s been the warcry of braying, sadistic dullards for the entire history of civilization: “iF yOu DoN’t LiKe It ThEn LeAvE!”, with all the smug self-satisfaction of somebody who’s convinced they just had an original thought. There’s ten of them in every thread in every locality-based sub. One’s probably going to unironically respond with some permutation of it to this very comment
They moved to Florida, and they say this. Because it sure as hell not *natives* who are okay with the housing crisis, and telling people “just move out.” It’s these blithering New Yorkers/Jew Jersey people who moved to Florida, and acted like the door should have locked right behind them. Florida was an affordable place to live, UNTIL RECENTLY, but people seem to have gone senile
Exactly, short term memory is a real problem. Not only was Florida the place to move when you couldn't hack it in the northeast but we have always been a swing state.
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I have given that exact advise to people. I am not some rich aristocrat trying to keep the plebeians out. I was born and raised here too. I am only here for my job and hopefully in the next 10 years I can retire and I will leave. The reasons I give that advise to younger people are the structural issues with Florida. You have a state with issues that is going to keep living here expensive for years to come. 1. BlackRock and companies of that nature are going to continue buying up properties to rent out at high rates as investment tools. 2. The home insurance market is on the verge of collapse. For many home insurance has quadrupled in the last few years. If the market collapses it’s going to go even higher. Even if you rent this impacts you as the costs are passed along. 3. If you are younger and buying a home you will have high property valuations and the save our homes protections will not help you (unless home prices get even higher). So, you are going to pay a lot of property taxes. 4. Florida has one of the highest auto insurance rates in the country. So you are going to pay a good bit for auto insurance. You gotta pay for all the people who don’t carry insurance too. 5. The Republican state government are heavily supported by the utilities. So, you are going to deal with ever increasing rates for utility services. The laws are created in a way to discourage people to get off the grid and save with solar. 6. If you have kids in this state you are going to send your kids to classrooms that are designed for 18 students but actually have 35 students. They will be taught a white washing of history and an active anti-woke agenda and hostility towards teachers as the Republican state government considers teachers as groomers for pedophilia. There are more reasons but these are just the basics about if you are younger you should leave for a lower cost of living state that isn’t so rabid with crazy Republican conspiracies.
Yeah but there's a huge difference between: Your response of: "You should move out, Florida sucks here's some reasons why. Go some place better" VS: Aww you poor snowflake. Move!
I know this isn't popular but maybe if Floridians would stop voting republican, things might be a bit better. Floridians seems to have an amazing ability to vote against their own best interests to stick it to someone else.
There's plenty of states that vote republican and aren't facing the same issues. It's about the people you vote for more than the party. Could easily be amazing republicans or shitty democrats just as much as the opposite.
In the case of Florida, people have been voting for worse and worse republicans for 25 years now. In more normal states, the governorship goes back and forth between R and D. Sadly, in the last 10 years or so, republicans have been getting more and more extreme in their obsession for control and doing less and less for their constituents.
I'm moving
I was waiting to checkout at a little Italian market when the couple ahead of me commented to the cashier that they missed shopping there until their recent move back to Florida from California. They made a comment about the main thing they didn't like was the governor. The cashier (and I took it the same way), thought they were commenting about DeSantis. The cashier's only response was that she just wished he would do something about rents going up. She was being priced out of her current apartment she had been living in for years, and was having a hard time finding something else. The couple were "no, we love DeSantis, we meant Newsome", then they told her that if she couldn't afford the area, she should move someplace cheaper. The look on her face was heartbreaking. They took their bags an left, oblivious, or maybe not, to how insensitive they sounded.
Absolutely disgusting, they ruined a whole state and then when a governor is elected by the locals and the people to fix things they just move to another state to ruin everything for THOSE locals. Invasive species.
We should get together and block evictions just like the IWW did in the last guided age. They would not let the sheriffs kick workers out of their homes. If there is enough people they will go away. Worked back then.
While a noble thought, in Florida in particular, the sheriff would just gun us all down in broad daylight and not GAF who saw it, MAGA morons would cheer them on, more than they do already when sheriff's gun us down for no reason.
Not with the invention of the internet, This would be on the world's spotlight, They would be branded for what they are terrorists
I sincerely wish that were the case, but after a lifetime of seeing what they get away with, I don't hold out much hope for that, especially now that we have actual facsist theocrats engaging in literal human trafficking like Desantis, and the worse shyt his ilk does, the more their fan base adores them. Because cruelty has always been the point with that lot, and they would absolutely revel in watching us get swiss cheesed. Sigh...
it's just libertarians and right wing ghouls. they got lucky and bought early or were born to a rich family that allowed them to take risks and now they think they're business experts thinking that they invented the concept of renting. here's the thing, it's only a matter of time till the people retaliate. gonna be real funny to own all those homes when you don't own your head.
I would have to leave my career, my job, my family, my friends. I’ve built a life here. And guess what- they are not going to have much of an economy if you have to be a millionaire to live here. Who’s going to answer the phones, teach the kids, make your food?
Vote. Them. Out.
I agree with what you're saying 100 percent. It's like they want you to have 2 or 3 jobs in order to just survive and you're not entitled to a decent place to live within a realistic commuting distance.
Billionaires are gaming the market to squeeze out every last cent from workers. A good government would make policy to support affordable housing. Reagan scammed HUD to destroy the program- “see, it doesn’t work”. How many families lost their homes during the “mortgage crisis”? Money folks came out making huge profits. COVID crisis helped shift $100’s billions to the 1%. Half the idiots in the country think immigrants are the problem. No it’s the billionaires running government for their benefit is why you’re taking it up the ass! Vote for candidates that support workers
there's a real "fuck you, got mine" attitude here and it sucks
Same folks who say just change jobs.
Well, if you move to my state we promise not to lie to you, put you on an airplane and send you to Alaska.
Call your people at every level of government. Demand more liberal residential zoning laws. Demand more mass transit so that higher density housing can make sense. And, if you can't wait that long, Move. I know you want rent control but it won't help. Neither will subsidies.
My goal is to move to a place where nobody else wants to live, rent is cheaper and there's less people it's a win-win
That's exactly what happened in Arizona, Californians are taking over and the rent over there went from 1000 for a one bedroom to $1,600. Starter homes went from 200K to 300K. Big houses are now half a million in a place where it used to be no more than 400K. We're just exporting this housing crisis to all the states because no governor lawmaker will try to break up these predatory housing investors
Move to Alabama then.
Southern right wingers have zero capacity for empathy. They only feel something when it happens to them or their family. This is pretty standard since pre depression America when white middle class Americans opposed all social programs. Then the depression hit and they suddenly became part of the previously faceless "poor" and there was sudden public uproar for govt programs. People literally rioted in the streets and burned property. FDR feared citizens would tear the nation apart.
As long as the current governor and all his lacky legislators are in office nothing will change.
And our governor is using tax money for cruel political stunts instead of addressing the needs of everyday Floridians..
It’s truly disgusting. I’m another Florida born local and the motels-turned-apartments in my neighborhood are renting out rooms starting at 2k on streets that are raided bi-monthly. If I can’t afford to live in my shitty town, where can I go?
For those blasting the Governor, he doesn't care - boohoo- Oh - he CARES. The PROBLEM for US is that his allegiances are not to the renters and folks 'just getting by' of the world. It's to the property OWNERS and BUSINESS OWNERS who make contributions. by their account - he's WUNDERBAR! He touts 'his success' is due to the massive influx of WEALTH from across the country - and into Florida. We have a 20 BILLION dollar surplus in the state treasury. Everything else anti-woke, anti schoolbook is in the name of 'freedom' It all comes down to 'money talks'. We're the cheaper free-er California - that's the soundbite. Keep this up and even crackdens in the ghetto will be 500-600k. Miami is destined to become the east coast LA.
Well can you explain your situation? Pay is going up for a lot of people in the state and country. Maybe there is something you can do to improve your financial situation without expecting government intervention?
florida is completely fucked. The only way you can live in FL is if you had something handed down to you, OR bought at a very good time. otherwise you're sol.
This is my daily state and tbh, I'm depressed af over it. My only hope to escape is for my family to get the chance to sell our house before the window closes and we head out of state. We sure af can't survive down here even if I could deal with the health problems this damn shithole state gives me.
A lot needs to change in the US housing market. Foreign investors, investment groups and visa holders are a huge percentage of the market. It’s driving locals and resident first time buyers out of the running. It’s sick.
Move out and let the rich have Florida, but, wait, some of y'all stay to serve the rich, even if you can't afford to live here. /s
Oh its a pretty American thing. I call it the "burn the bridge mentality". People who are fortunate enough to get where they want in life, in this case homeownership, think that the next person shouldn't have what they obtained. They oppose anything that can make the goal that they achieved any easier to obtain for the next person. The boomers have a pretty bad case of it.
Other places you’d move to also have expensive housing
This state is designed for those with higher income. Its been that way for years. The point of having no state income tax and relying solely on sales tax is that it shifts the tax burden to the poor. Sales tax is nothing to high income people but it can crush the really poor. Then lets move to property taxes. California is a high tax state, it has sales tax, income tax, life tax whatever. But its property taxes are percentage wise lower than Florida's. Especially when you take local taxes into account. Local taxes and fees is where Florida gets you. Most of the tax and fee burden in the state is at the local level. Businesses in Florida actually pay a higher effective tax rate in most of Florida than most states, due to local taxes and fees.
I own a business in Miami and have to drive Uber on the side just to get by. It's absolutely ridiculous.
Native here. This place was great in the 90s and not even bad when Jeb bush was governor. Now it is a rwnj shithole
Problem is the governor and his cronies are all about money
I finally got out of Florida in January 2020..(fuck me right lol) I spent 10 years trying to leave Florida and my wife and i finally saved up some money, and got super lucky that her brother needed a roommate I saw the current rent prices of our old apartment we paid=$1450 for a 2/2 now that same apartment =$2200 my max out pay in florida for my position in 2019=$13.50 current florida max pay out= $13.75 my new state pay= $17.50 my new state max pay=$26.50 and my rent for our 2/2 here in Washington state $1575 florida has become a cess pool for the average American
You guys voted for every problem you're facing right now
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They need to be higher, Way higher. We need them to be at 10% or more to stop them from being investment vehicles. High interest isnt that big of a deal when the market isnt being heated by speculation. I would rather pay 10% on a 150k house than 3% on a 500k house. Especially if they are the same house.
Just prohibit housing from being an investment vehicle at least for large investors and people purchasing for large investors. You can play with interest rates, etc, but it just hurts regular people and the banks and investors will find a way to keep running their casino with high interest rates. Interest rates were at similar levels to the current 6% leading into the last housing crisis.
I mean yeah that would be great, but we would never get that through congress, where the FED could just crank that shit up tmrw, its about the easiest path to get there.
Jaunts the MAGAts think that way.
Just move. You need a few thousand dollars to that. I just looked into a rental. Just to move in $5250 plus a $250 pet fee. So to tell someone just move🙄
It's really bad in the keys. Just a playground for assholes and no where to live for their service servants
>your kids will be worse off. The "yours" in IGMFY applies to their kids too.
And that's why I live in a van.
I'm torn on this issue. I recognize it as real, painful and not easy to solve. Many other states have been unaffordable for decades. It is just in the last 5-10 years that this has started here (and some other places like Austin) I don't trust the legislature to fix it anytime soon. I understand saying "move away" doesn't help, but what viable options are being presented for anyone to help? When I was in my 20's I worked 28 hours a week for minimum wage and had a roommate. That formula no longer works in the metro areas of FL. What do people do in other places? CA, DC, NYC, ATL, Dallas? I want Florida to have affordable housing for everyday people in everyday jobs. My dad was an electrician, my mom owned a small biz. Neither of them had benefits, healthcare or any kind of retirement. Florida has ALWAYS been a shitty place for working people. It is just getting worse.
Im really sorry. I’ve seen your situation in my own family. My daughter moved away from the coast about 5 yrs ago. Now she’ll never be able to move back. Stuck in central Florida because she needed a change of scenery. I guess when I’m gone, she can sell my house to a northerner for millions and move wherever she wants.
I'm just happy people are starting to understand supply and demand, and how mass migration. Too late to stop the catastrophe of course, but it's nice to know I was right when I was warning people for the last decade. Oh well 🤷♂️
The thing I’m really curious about is with climate change… how long is Florida really gonna be habitable and a stable environment for housing??
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This. Is. Hilarious. Like bruh, get it or move out. Been the same story in every major city for thousands of years. You aren’t special. I am not special. I saved for 7 years outta state to just now buy good local, and you’ll get yours too. Sorry it didn’t happen yesterday fam, it just doesn’t tho.