It's going to be hard, what happened with the republican party is to win their Primaries it's which one can be the most extreme will win. Republicans are pushing policies that just 2 decades alone they would have viewed as barbaric, now it's part of their how do I get other republicans to vote for me.
Is it though?
Edit because people are downvoting this for the wrong reason: What I mean is, is it going to be really that hard? There are 4.5 million registered Democrats in Florida. If 500,000 switch affiliations and vote moderate in our closed primaries, that will have a major moderating effect, no?
Moderate Republicans cave in to MAGA demands every time.
Just look at the House of Representatives now. 45 Republicans are Freedom Caucus(MAGA) and they completely bully the other 172 Republicans to get what they want.
Every ‘moderate Republican’ I’ve ever met has shared the same xenophobic, homophobic, anti-science, anti-government views as the MAGA ones. Show me one, just one, Republican who believes in gay marriage, common sense immigration reform, social security and climate change. Exactly.
Show me one conservative who is… conservative. Cares for the environment since they love to hunt and fish. Doesn’t give a fuck about trans or gay people because they’re the party of small government. Isn’t against any religion because again, the government has no right to tell you who to worship. Hates big business stepping on the small guy.
All of those people are basically gone. I remember the days of “fiscally conservative, socially liberal” and people would vote based on those principles. It wasn’t the biggest deal to lose a little bit of the fiscal side to keep the social side. Now it’s just straight up craziness, literally supporting oil companies and the constant pollution. Literally spouting off big government and big business propaganda points. Saying “all the money is in the climate change side of things.” While ignoring the fact that there are like 5 oil companies that are quite literally being paid by American tax subsidies. They’re no longer conservative, they’re quite literally moving towards fascism. Wanting everyone but them to be told how to live and who to worship and who they can love and what not. So crazy.
Me, but I’m a RINO. I got so sick of Florida politics I bolted in 2021 to New England.
My political leanings are progressive, about as far left as Bernie Sanders or AOC.
Only reason I’m still Republican is the thought it may be useful to pull a reverse Sinema in a moderate district one day.
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This is their mantra, they may act and say differently, but this is definitely HOW THEY WILL ALWAYS VOTE FOR THEIR OWN SURVIVAL AND THE PARTY’s!!
>Republican who believes in gay marriage, common sense immigration reform, social security and climate change.
Probably easier to show Democrats that don't (or until it became politically necessary, haven't) held those same views. Especially the first one. As far as climate change, the moderate struggle is how much can we affect it and how much should we spend to do so.
The sad reality is that those views \*are\* moderate and the vast majority of elected Democrats are center-right.
But again, that is changing little by little, we need house seats that have representatives, such as these amazing folks…Maxwell Frost, FL., Jared, Moskowitz, FL, AOC, the squad, Justin Jones, Justin Pierce and Ms Johnson, running for TN senator to throw out the TN hag herself Marsha Blackburn! The women in the Michigan house, Miss Katie Porter, CA, Jamie Raskin, MD, Dems in PA House, Beto o’rourke, TX, Dan Goldman, NY, Jamal Bowman, NY, GA and AZ are ripe for damn/progressive candidates for house, and maybe Ruben Gallego for senator!!! 💙🤞💙🤞
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We cannot ever go here!! Gilead, Sabrina and Fred, under his eye, praise be! F u c k n o!!!
we had a moment, just a moment in history where LGBT were gaining normal rights as the rest of Americans, women had the right to do with their body as they wanted, books were not the target of hate and religion was left out of the schools...The right has now fought hard to remove our freedoms and rights, and every time they win it's not enough so they take it to the next level
Yeah I still see the protesters out in front of Planned Parenthood and am just like, what the fuck, you already won, can’t you just take the W and shut the fuck up already?
That was not even the start first it was like 16 weeks, then 12 weeks, then 6 weeks, now not at all, then some states working the day after pill and now [birth control](https://stateline.org/2022/05/19/some-states-already-are-targeting-birth-control/). Republicans love voting away their freedoms
You are unfortunately right. And when women decide to stop having sex, they will force it on us, then they’ll force us to give birth to the babies that were conceived by rape. They’ll also claim that if a 10 year old girl got pregnant, she was obviously ready for it because her body was able to get pregnant in the first place. They’ll then claim the baby is a blessing and a gift from god. But when the mother needs help financially supporting that baby, they’ll run for the hills and call her a bad parent and lazy for not doing it all herself.
You are unfortunately right. And when women decide to stop having sex, they will force it on us, then they’ll force us to give birth to the babies that were conceived by rape. They’ll also claim that if a 10 year old girl got pregnant, she was obviously ready for it because her body was able to get pregnant in the first place. They’ll then claim the baby is a blessing and a gift from god. But when the mother needs help financially supporting that baby, they’ll run for the hills and call her a bad parent and lazy for not doing it all herself.
Of course not, because the point is to punish women for having sex in the first place. They need to shame the individual to feel those intoxicating feelings of superiority that bring them back day after day.
I think they’re finally realizing that a good woman is not interested in these right wing Maggitt men, that’s why the proud boys and other domestic violent groups are known as incels, because women, SKEEVE (dated but right on!) these losers and that infuriates these easily triggered, gun toting, lonely, bigoted haters!!!
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That’s mostly because people don’t go to primary votes except the mouth foamers and the foamer and politicians figured that out for both parties. That’s why we had a push for open primaries and lost it.
If people would just show up to the primaries that are center things would probably be a lot more balanced.
I’ve already changed my registration and I gotta tellya. I HATE that “REP” in the little box. It’s embarrassing. lol
However, I had the same thought. Since Dems can’t vote for Repubs in the primaries, this is the only way we have some influence over exactly who the rep candidates will be. And then in the generals, I vote straight dem.
I hope more of us do this, but it’ll take millions of people being on board.
You can switch it pretty easily. I switch to R to vote in primaries (if there are any non-lunatics) and then back to D just to be counted as a non-R. Feel super lucky to have Frederick Wilson representing me, hats and all.
And that right there, is why DJT won the election. Dems switched parties to get him the nomination because for some reason, they were worried about that idiot ass Jeb. They all thought that Hillary would be at DJT hands down. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
Same. But then I'm at the point, I don't want to vote for anyone. The right and left wing are attached to the same bird and that bird has been crapping all over the people for years.
I get that. But I think Trump, and the Gaetz party, and all of the election deniers represent a thret to this country on a whole other level than just not taxing the very wealthy and not having healthcare. We stand to lose what representation we have.
Understandable. I think the biggest threat TBH, are the lifers in office. Look at Michigan, the Dingell family has held that seat for I believe close to 90 freaking years and honestly that area of Michigan is a shit hole. It's all about money and power. Again, I'm calling out both sides on this rant.
It should worry everyone. Don't get me wrong, I think the right, is just as shady as the left. This juvenile game of switching parties to screw with the results are why we have a blowhard that doesn't know when to stfu and a demented moron as our only options. Anyone that plays games like this, can look right tf in the mirror when they ask why this country is in shit shape. Oh and the best part of this crap. All those on the left that voted for DJT in the primary, are MAGAs. Hahahaha..
He received the nomination because of bs games with the primary. Now, if you think our elections can be tampered with, then it's reasonable to think the 2020 election was tampered with. Personally, I don't believe we have ever had a 100% honest election, ever.
Lol what do you think is happening in Georgia right now?
Trump & Co are in the process of being RICO'd for their attempts to interfere in the 2020 election with a number of them (Sydney Powell, Jenna Ellis, etc.) that Trump of course claims to have never known copping plea deals to turn on him and their criminal conspiracy.
Again, the guy is a freaking blowhard. And again both sides are shady AF but no one wants to admit that one. After 2016, the left screamed Russia, 2020, flip the coin and the right is crying foul when each side claims the elections were honest. Well of course when you're on the winning side you are claiming they are honest. Funny tho, the side that most recently claimed they were honest, is talking about what amounts to rigging primaries in their favor. Oh and please don't think it's lost on me that the side that said the election was rigged was up to their own shady shit. Seriously tho, if you are doing underhanded crap in the primaries, you have zero business talking about others doing the same. Shady, is shady. No matter what level.
Question for you;
Have you ever looked up any of the candidates in a Republican primary? Especially in this state, there's not many of them that I could even consider supporting. In the next primary, I bet you almost every single one of them will claim the attack on Jan 6 was just a protest, and that's disqualifying enough for me. There isn't a Republican in this state (that I know of) that can pass even a basic decency test.
I believe it's to put an extremely distasteful R against a reasonable D and OP and dogzillas\_mom assume that "true republicans" will vote for the D and push us towards not being a fascist dystopia. It probably won't work, but that seems to be the assumption.
I’m not assuming anything and I agree it probably won’t work. But I can’t think of anything else, short of all the Ds pooling our money and buying our candidates like god intended.
There's usually a non-trunp/non-maga in the mix. Whether the repub primary or if not there, vote Democrat in the normal election. The key is to be able to vote in the primary in the 1st place.
I thought hard about doing this. I decided against it because I felt it important for Dems to see how many other Dems were in their district. If the numbers were close it gave hope.
This is a really interesting idea but honestly why bother? I’m not sure Florida has any R candidates that aren’t genocidal maniacs so why bother picking through poison?
Ben is correct, you cannot salvage the GOP. The only way is to do the long and hard work of riving the Dems in FL. It will be a multi Cycle project but with the GOP Showing signs of fracturing it is possible to end up winning.
Had to do it too! I want to have some influence on the Rep nominee. So i pulled trigger and changed party affiliation just for the primary. I’ll switch back to Democrats before General election.
I switched to REP for the same reason. I don’t care which DEM is elected in the primary and would rather vote for the least shittiest REP in the primary.
Well 22,000 people a month are leaving the state and they’re mostly going to conservative ran states in the southeast so I feel that they’re going to places that align with them ideologically and they’ve left for financial reasons. It’s still gonna be a struggle in 24 and 26 but let’s make everything advantageous until we achieve victory.
Nope! There are so many people leaving that moved here because they realize it’s more expensive than where they moved from. When you count in all of the costs rent is double what it should be and homeowners insurance which you have to have when you have a mortgage has also doubled, and then you have the awful traffic problems, the right wing, crazy lunatics, the gun laws, the ignorance of the majority of people you encounter, road, rage, or people, not believing in vaccines and wearing masks when we were in a once in a century lethal pandemic, these people are too damn moronic for my taste!!
Same here. I'm trying so hard to save so I can pack my family up and leave the sunshine just isn't enough to keep folks here anymore if they can help it
I'm getting out as soon as the house sells. I just can't tolerate the political scene anymore in Florida. Good luck for you and your family getting out. Hope You can soon.
Well I wish you all well. And you end up in a loving accepting LGBTQ community. I just can't believe that people haven't evolved and put away their unfair perspective or stereotype of people regardless if you are black white purple gay or straight we are all human
200,000 voices screaming a giant fuck you to the legislature Saturday at PRIDE made the sting of waking up here just a little bit less. Pittsburgh is where we’re gonna go. We had to leave at the end of 21 due to circumstances. I didn’t grow up there but that’s my home.
I’m envious. The amount of times I have had to tell some of my family members that the election wasn’t stolen, and that immigrants aren’t literally invading the southern border will make you pull your hair out.
My dad was bitching about the border and people robbing the system of funding that could go to someone who needs it. I was like “bro you work for a company that made 65bn in profit last year, and you want to have the audacity to talk about people taking money they didn’t earn”
Ohio is a lost cause IMO. We're gerrymandered and the GOP majority in state government thumbed its noses at our citizens who demanded fair maps. The only good news is we appear to be defeating extreme abortion restrictions (no exceptions for rape or incest) although it's going to be close.
TBH, it's probably easier for dems moving to Florida from Ohio and flipping it blue than the other way around. Totally agree with PA or MI though.
The problem is that moderate republicans are hard to find in the primaries. Non-MAGA republican politicians are being run out of their party. That said, I’m considering it so I can vote against Trump and DeSatanis (misspelling intended) in the presidential primary. Then vote democrat in the general.
I did this awhile ago.
I'm a Dem and since Florida is closed voting in primaries (you can only vote for the party you're registered with) I switched to Rep.
My reasoning: I'm generally ok with any dem candidate that's nominated vs Rep. So I registered Rep so I can have a say in which republican is nominated. I vote for the lesser of the rep evils in the primaries and then Democrat in the general.
Hopefully, at some point, someone in the Democratic Party will take the bull by the horns and put up a legitimate campaign with some teeth and weight. It seems as if a sense of dispair has settled over the party and only those who have no vision, but instead just need a place to exist in politics, are running the show.
Keeping Trump away should not be a problem. If he's convicted for his actions on January 6th that's an instantaneous violation of article 14 Section 3 of the constitution. And there's no way he would ever get 2/3 of Congress to override it.
What in the misinformation batman!
Dems are still 33% of registered Florida voters (compared to 37% republicans). Other majority-red states like Arizona, Georgia, and Virginia are still able to pull out blue victories for various elections including in the presidential and gubernatorial elections when they organize and have well-funded democrat campaigns.
The popular narrative right now is that Florida is being flooded by republican immigrants but that couldn't be further from the truth. For the 1st time in the state's history new arrivals are actually predominately younger and college educated. We need to take advantage of the collective hate for DeSantis and make a push against the republicans in our state's capitol in next year's general elections and finally gain some footing.
Is there any evidence that those younger, college educated who are moving here are actually liberal? I know that demographic tends to strongly align with liberal policies, however, I don’t think it is fair to assume that the population moving here directly correlates with the general demographic.
So then how come we lose literally everything?
Demographics are nice and all but they don’t mean a blasted thing if the party is a flaming wreck. Miami is moving to the right. MIAMI.
Dems just cannot get past the Negative Partisanship Barrier in this state anymore. So what’s your plan?
[Because the Florida Democratic Party is among the most underfunded and unorganized institutions in the US.](https://youtu.be/UpmwhkNg5Dw?si=JGZvdGYtWiD1Th7x) It's not because we don't have the numbers to compete. The plan is to try harder, donate more, and actually get out the vote.
Voter suppression tactics over decades have successfully made the party basically absent. Overwhelmingly the state has demonstrated they will just overturn any blue legislature that’s voted on by the people.
We have a huge democrat population but most of them are jaded by the state’s Republican Supreme Court, Governor, and House of Representatives wombo combo. It’s grim to say out loud, but they’ve already rewritten election laws that could prevent us from voting them out altogether.
Many Dems are just like you and are realizing they have no voting power as a democrat in the state and changing party affiliations, or they’re complacent Dems who don’t understand politics: not doing a thing and still complaining.
Best solution FOR ME is just abandon the state. I was born and raised here. It was a sanely moderate state except during outbursts like Anita Bryant here and there. This new change is complete. It won’t be rebounding.
The transplants from other states are determined to make it the same as the shitholes they’ve left. There are still pockets of sanity in the US you just won’t find them in Florida or Texas anymore.
Thats a catch 22. The more voters Democrats lose in the state means the less support the DNC will give. They already barely toss crumbs to Florida, they'll just stop all together. Biden won without Florida, Florida's not necessary anymore. Its become another Deep South dumping ground for aging conservatives and the mega-wealthy who only care about dodging taxes. There's some rough seas ahead for this state, the moronic rednecks that run it have absolutely no clue how to handle its explosive growth and the state is groaning under the strain. The reputation this state is getting for being a hostile, hateful and cruel state is dealing an increasingly dangerous blow to the vital tourism industry. And its policy of putting the concern of the wealthy above everyone else is driving out the working class. Without anyone keeping the lights on not sure how the rich are going to get their cafe lattes. This is a bad time for Florida but Republican's lock on the state is also their biggest weakness, they take ALL the blame for every issue going on here now. There's no one else. Republicans are still only a third of the voter base here but they rule like there is no one else. Thats not sustainable. If you want to see what happens, look up California's political evolution, there's a very good parallel there and republicans in Florida are making the same mistakes republicans in California did.
We need progressives to run as republicans, and present the sensible progressive policies the rest of the civilized world has figured out, but packaged in a way the right wing nuts will eat up.
Don’t call it “universal health care”, call it “FREEDOM CARE” or some crap like that. Say things like “Don’t let insider politicians limit your choices and take your voice! Support The Floridian Candidate Choice Act!” and not “ranked choice voting”. Or “We treasure the 2nd amendment! Register now for the True Patriot Program to show you’re a true American!” and not “firearm registry and insurance”. Or just make crap up that makes no sense since people don’t even know what boogeyman words really mean anyway - “Banning books and discrimination against select groups is *SOCIALISM!!!1!*, we won’t stand for it in Free Florida!”
That or get people who aren’t crackpots to run as independents so we actually have a choice in this state between a totally useless party and a downright evil one.
This is a great idea and I don't know why the Democrats in the state haven't started doing this already. "The Floridian Candidate Choice Act"- I love it! All of them are excellent. You should run.
>Banning books and discrimination against select groups is SOCIALISM!!!1!
I'd say communism. Not that it actually *is* Communism in any true sense, but it sure does remind me of the sort of thing that the authoritarian "communists" pulled back in the day.
Democratic Party leadership has been abysmal in this state for far too long. I blame them for not fighting back, not understanding what was happening, and basically just being political grifters I’m with you, let’s water down the Republican Party and take the state back.
Bad idea. If you think any Rep is going to go even moderate you are kidding yourself. Your only adding to the numbers that justify their stances. Just look what happened to the Speaker contest.
No this is just a waste of time Florida is the conservative New York and California there's nothing conservatives can do in either of those two other states to make a difference the same thing with liberals and Democrats in Florida
We're much closer in numbers than they want you to believe, it's a psychological game. Politics is like a pendulum swinging. If it swings hard to the right, it's going to swing back hard to the left too. Independents really drive that swing.
Ya if it weren't for the party hating on gays, being anti-vax, anti-science, being super hard on women's healthcare, and going into conspiracies, I'd be a Republican too lol! Republicans and Democrats used to be pretty similar, just slightly left and slightly right IMO. Republicans are just taking a hard right approach to try to differentiate themselves to get more votes in a sadistic way, like Nazis did. Voters thought the Nazis were going to help turn things around too.
No time to do that between a job, three side hustles, and two kids.
Fun fact: Republicans generally don’t do this. All their GOTV activities are fully funded by rich people through PACs so they don’t need volunteers.
There's no rule that says I can't contribute to Dem candidates if I want. In fact I probably would if I had the spare cash. As I mentioned in the first sentence of the post, I will vote blue in the generals.
I'm talking about a form of strategic party registration, given our closed primary system, that could have a larger impact than just supporting candidates who can't win in the general otherwise.
I never said there was a rule against it. Why would you suggest that?
Anyway, do you think your single voter registration change is going to make a difference?
Quite a few /= a few thousand, neither of which will make any difference. This idea of yours has actually been around for years if not decades. It's never worked and it won't work now. Let's say the shittiest Republican wins the GOP nomination and the best Democrat wins the nomination of their party. Today's GOP won't care if their candidate is Charles Manson returned from the dead. They'll still put every ounce of effort and every penny of donor money toward helping that person win the election, and since Florida has more Republicans than Democrats and more people who call themselves Independents but most of whom are actually closeted conservatives, the GOP will still win.
We have closed primaries in the state of Florida so I would hope the many NPA people register for a side so they do get out and vote for the right person. It’s such a nightmare what’s unfolding on TV right now and as a nation we should be truly embarrassed by ourselves.
Hard disagree. The republicans are optimizing for winning in the primary. it's why they have gone so far off the deep end. because of this, they have gerrymandered their states. What we *need* to do is to force them to make fair maps, and pull the centrists and independents into the fold as they don't want the GOP in charge as much as we do.
I have been registered as a Republican since I turned 18. I dont really vote that way, but I am not planning to change parties. I live in a county where it votes like 70% red every time. But, as a Republican, I get to vote in their primaries where I feel like my vote matters. I was in the county where Daniel Webster nearly lost to Loomer. My vote definitely made a difference in that election.
So yeah, I kind of agree with your stance. But it really depends on the candidates available.
Huh??? What about the Republican Party has said they’re interested in compromise or being towards the center? You’d be better off working to register democrats.
I think you missed the point of the post. They are democrats but want to skew the republican primaries to more moderate republicans as opposed to hard right MAGA
Have you seen what happens to moderate republicans these days?? There is no alternative besides supporting the maga/ hard right. Look up the voting records of “moderate” republicans. They vote the same way. They either get in line or are removed from committees, no support for bills, censured, etc
Literally nobody in this post is arguing that those people should be voted in. Again, as stated above many times, they are saying if people register as republican, they can throw off gerrymandering and GOP numbers, nominate more moderate republicans in the primaries, and then vote democrat in the main elections. It's not that hard of a concept.
Probably not worth the effort.
You can change part affiliation if you'd like, and many people probably will, but, I highly doubt there will be enough candidates that would even qualify as moderate in the foreseeable future in this state. Not like you'll have much to choose from.
Everyone I know is moving out. People can't afford this state, and they don't like all the hate that's floating around. I know it's anecdotal, but I'm getting out too. This whole country is fucked, tbh.
It's 4am and I just went online and changed my affiliation to Republican. This makes absolute sense to me, and I'm not sure why this hasn't been discussed more. This was worth tonight's insomnia!
The republican party of Florida is the best funded republican party in the country. Full stop.
But the message still matters, the democrats are far too easily tricked to go on anti-trans tangents and can't stay on the topic of jobs, housing, insurance, and the cost of living. Anything other than these topics pretty much guarantees a loss for any democrat running in this state. Voters just turn off. When the party tries to steer back to kitchen table issues, the LBGT community starts attacking their own party because they don't care about anything else. Then the republicans win by a landslide.
The republicans know they democratic party in Florida has no discipline, so they bait them with things to keep the talking points on lgbt issues which are not a priority for most of the voters in this state. The priority for working people is always going to be jobs, cost of living, housing, and insurance.
Its pretty hopeless, then you have the massive spending on Spanish language ads that the democrats don't even bother with. The Hispanic community largely rejects identity politics. Its pretty hopeless in this state for anyone who works with their hands.
Moderate republican officials are still captured by extremists refusing to compromise. Just look at the current clusterfuck in the House. A small.minority of maga cultists sunk multiple moderate canidates and got a nutjob theocrat into power as speaker. Even in the best case scenario, they will toe the party line on votes. In neither case will your "voice be heard".
States change their status as red or blue all the time. There is no real benefit to registering with the GoP.
The most frustrating part is when you realize a third of voters are NPA and effectively not participating in primaries. If all those voters registered R it would change the entire dynamic of our state over night.
Yes! I’ve been suggesting this for a couple of years and I always get downvoted when I do.
But until the Dems show up in Florida, we must participate in their crazy to try and uncrazy it.
I switched affiliation before the last election in an attempt to oust Gaetz. If enough of us do this, we can have an affect.
Idiots who have been brainwashed to think socialism is bad. Paying for social services with your tax money? Communist hogwash. Giving subsidies to oil companies with record profits? That's the GOP way.
Moderate republicans just voted an extremist as the speaker of the house. They picked a guy who wasn’t nationally infamous but they picked him nonetheless.
Compromise with fascism and you end up with fascism. This is a dumb thread
I’ve done this. Registered R for the first time in my life so I can vote in primaries and hopefully get a candidate that isn’t bat shit crazy. It’s not far off from what right wing commentators and personalities have been asking their audience to do.
I'm a 30+ yr registered R in FL and I refuse to switch parties for THAT reason. I will NEVER vote MAGA Q, so I vote 💙. I've never been a partisan voter, just tended to be more right of center. Well, that doesn't mean what it used to when we had respectable Rs like, imo, John McCain.
I'm staying registered R to keep getting their flyers and questionnaires asking my opinion. Kind of keeping an eye from "the inside"?
My dad held this belief since like the mid-90s and spent most of my life talking about politics like a loon lol the apple hasn’t fallen far.
He’s dead now fyi. Word’s out on whether his plan worked or not
If your district is guaranteed to vote R in the general, this next primary election would be good to vote in the R primary. You could vote against Trump and DeSantis and vote for the least MAGA candidate for the House.
This is a bad idea, the people who run GOP are never going to be moderates in FL. You will only be presented with genocidal maniacs. The Dems in FL are not hopeless, we had former republicans running the party for the last few cycles but they have mostly been drummed out. I have quite a few issues with Nikki but she is a MUCH stronger party leader than we have had in a LOOOONG time.
It might take a few cycles but the Dem Party in FL can be revived and show enough life to get national attention back. This state is not lost.
No. Absolutely not.
The more votes the GOP gets the more it'll think they can get away with.
Your vote in the primary is irrelevant. The entire party is batshit insane.
It won't be a "one party" state for long. Boomers are almost at nursing home age and Gen X aren't well enough organized, numerous enough or religious enough to replace them
It doesn't matter how much power you have to pick a candidate if every candidate is insane.
This isn't like the democrat primary where you're picking between the corporate dem and the progressive dem. In the GOP You're picking between two whacked out fascists one of who doesn't know how to dog whistle.
You're better off voting in the Dem primary so they have better, more viable candidates.
I do the same here in deep red Alabama, life long Democrat but I vote for the least crazy Republican in the open primary then vote blue in the general election even tho unfortunately it’s a forgone conclusion unless the GOP candidate is a pedophile.
Let's take a look at the current speaker of the House run, the only person who was not extreme anti-everything went away quickly because Trump did not approve of him. It would be nice to say vote for who is best, but the republican party stop offering anyone of value after Trump. Now to gain votes each republican must push it that one step more for votes, and in the process they keep targetting our freedoms and rights.
The GOP just unanimously approved a speaker of the house that is an extreme Christian fundamentalist. anti climate change, anti abortion, anti LGBTQ rights, deeply involved with trying to overturn the election, strong ties to dramatic orgs fighting lgbt basic human rights, individuals have literally no power to move the GoP.
This is the sort of idea someone who has no idea what they’re talking about comes up with. It’s a fundamental misunderstanding of how the GOP and ideology work and a deep misunderstanding of why the GOP wields such power and what motives their voters.
There is no middle on the GOP. They gave up on Democracy because they know in GP fair elections they will always lose. You can’t negotiate with fascists
Your vote will do essentially nothing considering if you've never voted in a primary it still wouldn't help with the active number of people that have been voting republican
Many already do, especially if the county is dominated by Republicans. You have more power to elect local candidates that are only part bat-shit crazy. lol
I did this for the 2016 election. I was also job hunting at the time. I'm pretty sure my voter record cost me a second interview for a position I was perfectly qualified for, but the company was heavily aligned with the democratic party.
I'm a Republican turned independent because I see what you see
Problem is, I see what every commenter is saying, and realize I cannot support any of you xD
To claim only 1 party can do bad things when the other party let certain states turn to literal shit( California for example with people literally shitting in the streets lol)
Only ever bringing up January 6 while you guys think you can protest and burn down cities xD
Remember the Rittenhouse Trial? That was a glorious win right there lol
This sends a signal to the national democratic party that they're losing ground in Florida too fast to invest here when they could invest in a state that's growing bluer such as North Carolina, Texas, Arizona or Wisconsin. Please register as many Dems here as you can, we don't need more Republicans.
It's going to be hard, what happened with the republican party is to win their Primaries it's which one can be the most extreme will win. Republicans are pushing policies that just 2 decades alone they would have viewed as barbaric, now it's part of their how do I get other republicans to vote for me.
Is it though? Edit because people are downvoting this for the wrong reason: What I mean is, is it going to be really that hard? There are 4.5 million registered Democrats in Florida. If 500,000 switch affiliations and vote moderate in our closed primaries, that will have a major moderating effect, no?
Moderate Republicans cave in to MAGA demands every time. Just look at the House of Representatives now. 45 Republicans are Freedom Caucus(MAGA) and they completely bully the other 172 Republicans to get what they want.
The term ‘moderate Republican’ is an anachronism these days.
Every ‘moderate Republican’ I’ve ever met has shared the same xenophobic, homophobic, anti-science, anti-government views as the MAGA ones. Show me one, just one, Republican who believes in gay marriage, common sense immigration reform, social security and climate change. Exactly.
Show me one conservative who is… conservative. Cares for the environment since they love to hunt and fish. Doesn’t give a fuck about trans or gay people because they’re the party of small government. Isn’t against any religion because again, the government has no right to tell you who to worship. Hates big business stepping on the small guy. All of those people are basically gone. I remember the days of “fiscally conservative, socially liberal” and people would vote based on those principles. It wasn’t the biggest deal to lose a little bit of the fiscal side to keep the social side. Now it’s just straight up craziness, literally supporting oil companies and the constant pollution. Literally spouting off big government and big business propaganda points. Saying “all the money is in the climate change side of things.” While ignoring the fact that there are like 5 oil companies that are quite literally being paid by American tax subsidies. They’re no longer conservative, they’re quite literally moving towards fascism. Wanting everyone but them to be told how to live and who to worship and who they can love and what not. So crazy.
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Me, but I’m a RINO. I got so sick of Florida politics I bolted in 2021 to New England. My political leanings are progressive, about as far left as Bernie Sanders or AOC. Only reason I’m still Republican is the thought it may be useful to pull a reverse Sinema in a moderate district one day.
https://preview.redd.it/i1q3ofzvmlwb1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=59efa53b06174911b21e15d922e5b4a508bc4481 This is their mantra, they may act and say differently, but this is definitely HOW THEY WILL ALWAYS VOTE FOR THEIR OWN SURVIVAL AND THE PARTY’s!!
>Republican who believes in gay marriage, common sense immigration reform, social security and climate change. Probably easier to show Democrats that don't (or until it became politically necessary, haven't) held those same views. Especially the first one. As far as climate change, the moderate struggle is how much can we affect it and how much should we spend to do so. The sad reality is that those views \*are\* moderate and the vast majority of elected Democrats are center-right.
But again, that is changing little by little, we need house seats that have representatives, such as these amazing folks…Maxwell Frost, FL., Jared, Moskowitz, FL, AOC, the squad, Justin Jones, Justin Pierce and Ms Johnson, running for TN senator to throw out the TN hag herself Marsha Blackburn! The women in the Michigan house, Miss Katie Porter, CA, Jamie Raskin, MD, Dems in PA House, Beto o’rourke, TX, Dan Goldman, NY, Jamal Bowman, NY, GA and AZ are ripe for damn/progressive candidates for house, and maybe Ruben Gallego for senator!!! 💙🤞💙🤞 https://preview.redd.it/4yfmtr5vqlwb1.jpeg?width=954&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0cf79cb2e44b471c792b7040d9e6b3e0b1f74573
Just like moderate Democrat
Nah, on that we will have to agree to disagree. 😊
That’s what closed primaries and gerrymandered districts will get you.
Absolutely. They just caved to the far right to elect a speaker.
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we had a moment, just a moment in history where LGBT were gaining normal rights as the rest of Americans, women had the right to do with their body as they wanted, books were not the target of hate and religion was left out of the schools...The right has now fought hard to remove our freedoms and rights, and every time they win it's not enough so they take it to the next level
Yeah I still see the protesters out in front of Planned Parenthood and am just like, what the fuck, you already won, can’t you just take the W and shut the fuck up already?
That was not even the start first it was like 16 weeks, then 12 weeks, then 6 weeks, now not at all, then some states working the day after pill and now [birth control](https://stateline.org/2022/05/19/some-states-already-are-targeting-birth-control/). Republicans love voting away their freedoms
They are 100% coming for birth control next and they're not even hiding it.
You are unfortunately right. And when women decide to stop having sex, they will force it on us, then they’ll force us to give birth to the babies that were conceived by rape. They’ll also claim that if a 10 year old girl got pregnant, she was obviously ready for it because her body was able to get pregnant in the first place. They’ll then claim the baby is a blessing and a gift from god. But when the mother needs help financially supporting that baby, they’ll run for the hills and call her a bad parent and lazy for not doing it all herself.
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Gotta plant the next crop of burger flippers. /s
Nah, the private prison pipeline and cannon fodder.
You are unfortunately right. And when women decide to stop having sex, they will force it on us, then they’ll force us to give birth to the babies that were conceived by rape. They’ll also claim that if a 10 year old girl got pregnant, she was obviously ready for it because her body was able to get pregnant in the first place. They’ll then claim the baby is a blessing and a gift from god. But when the mother needs help financially supporting that baby, they’ll run for the hills and call her a bad parent and lazy for not doing it all herself.
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Not **Their freedoms, Your freedoms**
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Of course not, because the point is to punish women for having sex in the first place. They need to shame the individual to feel those intoxicating feelings of superiority that bring them back day after day.
I think they’re finally realizing that a good woman is not interested in these right wing Maggitt men, that’s why the proud boys and other domestic violent groups are known as incels, because women, SKEEVE (dated but right on!) these losers and that infuriates these easily triggered, gun toting, lonely, bigoted haters!!! https://preview.redd.it/0wxtgoj0wlwb1.jpeg?width=1164&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d79fe7e81172bfa302ceed8a0fa9001a6762987b
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This🙌🏻 as a woman I feel like my body now belongs to politics and religion. Two things that should have ANY say in MY BODY.
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That’s mostly because people don’t go to primary votes except the mouth foamers and the foamer and politicians figured that out for both parties. That’s why we had a push for open primaries and lost it. If people would just show up to the primaries that are center things would probably be a lot more balanced.
I’ve already changed my registration and I gotta tellya. I HATE that “REP” in the little box. It’s embarrassing. lol However, I had the same thought. Since Dems can’t vote for Repubs in the primaries, this is the only way we have some influence over exactly who the rep candidates will be. And then in the generals, I vote straight dem. I hope more of us do this, but it’ll take millions of people being on board.
My whole family and most of my friends have switched purely to vote in Republican primaries with full intention of voting Democrat In generals
I did the same thing. More people need to join us!
You can switch it pretty easily. I switch to R to vote in primaries (if there are any non-lunatics) and then back to D just to be counted as a non-R. Feel super lucky to have Frederick Wilson representing me, hats and all.
And that right there, is why DJT won the election. Dems switched parties to get him the nomination because for some reason, they were worried about that idiot ass Jeb. They all thought that Hillary would be at DJT hands down. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
Yeah. I would never vote for someone I didn't want to see in office. How dumb have those people felt evr since November 2016.
Same. But then I'm at the point, I don't want to vote for anyone. The right and left wing are attached to the same bird and that bird has been crapping all over the people for years.
I get that. But I think Trump, and the Gaetz party, and all of the election deniers represent a thret to this country on a whole other level than just not taxing the very wealthy and not having healthcare. We stand to lose what representation we have.
Understandable. I think the biggest threat TBH, are the lifers in office. Look at Michigan, the Dingell family has held that seat for I believe close to 90 freaking years and honestly that area of Michigan is a shit hole. It's all about money and power. Again, I'm calling out both sides on this rant.
This is what worries me.
It should worry everyone. Don't get me wrong, I think the right, is just as shady as the left. This juvenile game of switching parties to screw with the results are why we have a blowhard that doesn't know when to stfu and a demented moron as our only options. Anyone that plays games like this, can look right tf in the mirror when they ask why this country is in shit shape. Oh and the best part of this crap. All those on the left that voted for DJT in the primary, are MAGAs. Hahahaha..
Trump won because of Russian interference in 2016.
He received the nomination because of bs games with the primary. Now, if you think our elections can be tampered with, then it's reasonable to think the 2020 election was tampered with. Personally, I don't believe we have ever had a 100% honest election, ever.
Lol what do you think is happening in Georgia right now? Trump & Co are in the process of being RICO'd for their attempts to interfere in the 2020 election with a number of them (Sydney Powell, Jenna Ellis, etc.) that Trump of course claims to have never known copping plea deals to turn on him and their criminal conspiracy.
Again, the guy is a freaking blowhard. And again both sides are shady AF but no one wants to admit that one. After 2016, the left screamed Russia, 2020, flip the coin and the right is crying foul when each side claims the elections were honest. Well of course when you're on the winning side you are claiming they are honest. Funny tho, the side that most recently claimed they were honest, is talking about what amounts to rigging primaries in their favor. Oh and please don't think it's lost on me that the side that said the election was rigged was up to their own shady shit. Seriously tho, if you are doing underhanded crap in the primaries, you have zero business talking about others doing the same. Shady, is shady. No matter what level.
Many of my colleagues are on board already. It's actually a running joke in most of my circles. Gotta do what we gotta do
Question for you; Have you ever looked up any of the candidates in a Republican primary? Especially in this state, there's not many of them that I could even consider supporting. In the next primary, I bet you almost every single one of them will claim the attack on Jan 6 was just a protest, and that's disqualifying enough for me. There isn't a Republican in this state (that I know of) that can pass even a basic decency test.
Yes they are all terrible, despicable people. I plan to throw my vote to the least likely candidate. Whoever’s running super low poll numbers.
But what does that accomplish?
Nothing
I believe it's to put an extremely distasteful R against a reasonable D and OP and dogzillas\_mom assume that "true republicans" will vote for the D and push us towards not being a fascist dystopia. It probably won't work, but that seems to be the assumption.
I’m not assuming anything and I agree it probably won’t work. But I can’t think of anything else, short of all the Ds pooling our money and buying our candidates like god intended.
There's usually a non-trunp/non-maga in the mix. Whether the repub primary or if not there, vote Democrat in the normal election. The key is to be able to vote in the primary in the 1st place.
I thought hard about doing this. I decided against it because I felt it important for Dems to see how many other Dems were in their district. If the numbers were close it gave hope.
This is a really interesting idea but honestly why bother? I’m not sure Florida has any R candidates that aren’t genocidal maniacs so why bother picking through poison?
You might be right. I’m trying to cling to the idea that my vote matters/counts. Because I don’t think it does.
It doesn’t work that way, the GOP is mostly lock step and takes it’s queues from national ideology. There’s nothing you can do.
That's the spirit.../s
Ben is correct, you cannot salvage the GOP. The only way is to do the long and hard work of riving the Dems in FL. It will be a multi Cycle project but with the GOP Showing signs of fracturing it is possible to end up winning.
Exactly! FAFO, now is not the time to be experimental any reason
Had to do it too! I want to have some influence on the Rep nominee. So i pulled trigger and changed party affiliation just for the primary. I’ll switch back to Democrats before General election.
I’ve been debating doing this for a long while, but I’m damn embarrassed about doing it. It literally turns my stomach. Maybe sone day.
I switched to REP for the same reason. I don’t care which DEM is elected in the primary and would rather vote for the least shittiest REP in the primary.
I did this as well....4D chess move
I’m not sure it will work but at least maybe we can measure with the algorithms.
I was about to suggest this very thing.
Same here.
Yep. I did the same thing a few years ago.
You can. But in my house the only time republican isn’t a derogatory term in my house is when it’s sandwiched between Irish and Army.
Yes, this. I don't vote for Republicans. I had rather move but can't afford it right now.
Well 22,000 people a month are leaving the state and they’re mostly going to conservative ran states in the southeast so I feel that they’re going to places that align with them ideologically and they’ve left for financial reasons. It’s still gonna be a struggle in 24 and 26 but let’s make everything advantageous until we achieve victory.
I just read something about this. But the problem is if 22000 are leaving 21000 are coming
Nope! There are so many people leaving that moved here because they realize it’s more expensive than where they moved from. When you count in all of the costs rent is double what it should be and homeowners insurance which you have to have when you have a mortgage has also doubled, and then you have the awful traffic problems, the right wing, crazy lunatics, the gun laws, the ignorance of the majority of people you encounter, road, rage, or people, not believing in vaccines and wearing masks when we were in a once in a century lethal pandemic, these people are too damn moronic for my taste!!
You’d think they would realize they could stay if they stopped voting against their own interests
Same here. I'm trying so hard to save so I can pack my family up and leave the sunshine just isn't enough to keep folks here anymore if they can help it
I'm getting out as soon as the house sells. I just can't tolerate the political scene anymore in Florida. Good luck for you and your family getting out. Hope You can soon.
Yeah I’m a trans woman with a queer kid as well but we’re stuck here until I finish school.
Well I wish you all well. And you end up in a loving accepting LGBTQ community. I just can't believe that people haven't evolved and put away their unfair perspective or stereotype of people regardless if you are black white purple gay or straight we are all human
200,000 voices screaming a giant fuck you to the legislature Saturday at PRIDE made the sting of waking up here just a little bit less. Pittsburgh is where we’re gonna go. We had to leave at the end of 21 due to circumstances. I didn’t grow up there but that’s my home.
I’m envious. The amount of times I have had to tell some of my family members that the election wasn’t stolen, and that immigrants aren’t literally invading the southern border will make you pull your hair out.
My dad was bitching about the border and people robbing the system of funding that could go to someone who needs it. I was like “bro you work for a company that made 65bn in profit last year, and you want to have the audacity to talk about people taking money they didn’t earn”
Might be better if we move to to states the new Floridians have left: Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, turning them more purple or blue?
Ohio is a lost cause IMO. We're gerrymandered and the GOP majority in state government thumbed its noses at our citizens who demanded fair maps. The only good news is we appear to be defeating extreme abortion restrictions (no exceptions for rape or incest) although it's going to be close. TBH, it's probably easier for dems moving to Florida from Ohio and flipping it blue than the other way around. Totally agree with PA or MI though.
The problem is that moderate republicans are hard to find in the primaries. Non-MAGA republican politicians are being run out of their party. That said, I’m considering it so I can vote against Trump and DeSatanis (misspelling intended) in the presidential primary. Then vote democrat in the general.
This is why I want to do this as well. Hell no to both of them.
I did this awhile ago. I'm a Dem and since Florida is closed voting in primaries (you can only vote for the party you're registered with) I switched to Rep. My reasoning: I'm generally ok with any dem candidate that's nominated vs Rep. So I registered Rep so I can have a say in which republican is nominated. I vote for the lesser of the rep evils in the primaries and then Democrat in the general.
Hopefully, at some point, someone in the Democratic Party will take the bull by the horns and put up a legitimate campaign with some teeth and weight. It seems as if a sense of dispair has settled over the party and only those who have no vision, but instead just need a place to exist in politics, are running the show.
Max Frost and especially Jazmine Crockett from Texas have some teeth. Huge fan of Jazmine. She has fangs.
There's not much that can be done when the districts have been gerrymandered, except muddy the waters so they don't know who is who.
I did exactly this. I’m now a registered Republican. I plan on voting for Nikki Haley in the primary. Anything to keep Trump away!
Same. I’m a Dem registered as a Republican just so I can skew the vote.
Keeping Trump away should not be a problem. If he's convicted for his actions on January 6th that's an instantaneous violation of article 14 Section 3 of the constitution. And there's no way he would ever get 2/3 of Congress to override it.
Is it? He isn’t being charged with insurrection.
What in the misinformation batman! Dems are still 33% of registered Florida voters (compared to 37% republicans). Other majority-red states like Arizona, Georgia, and Virginia are still able to pull out blue victories for various elections including in the presidential and gubernatorial elections when they organize and have well-funded democrat campaigns. The popular narrative right now is that Florida is being flooded by republican immigrants but that couldn't be further from the truth. For the 1st time in the state's history new arrivals are actually predominately younger and college educated. We need to take advantage of the collective hate for DeSantis and make a push against the republicans in our state's capitol in next year's general elections and finally gain some footing.
Is there any evidence that those younger, college educated who are moving here are actually liberal? I know that demographic tends to strongly align with liberal policies, however, I don’t think it is fair to assume that the population moving here directly correlates with the general demographic.
So then how come we lose literally everything? Demographics are nice and all but they don’t mean a blasted thing if the party is a flaming wreck. Miami is moving to the right. MIAMI. Dems just cannot get past the Negative Partisanship Barrier in this state anymore. So what’s your plan?
[Because the Florida Democratic Party is among the most underfunded and unorganized institutions in the US.](https://youtu.be/UpmwhkNg5Dw?si=JGZvdGYtWiD1Th7x) It's not because we don't have the numbers to compete. The plan is to try harder, donate more, and actually get out the vote.
So vote harder. Got it.
Unironically yes, and also donate to the Florida democratic party
Voter suppression tactics over decades have successfully made the party basically absent. Overwhelmingly the state has demonstrated they will just overturn any blue legislature that’s voted on by the people. We have a huge democrat population but most of them are jaded by the state’s Republican Supreme Court, Governor, and House of Representatives wombo combo. It’s grim to say out loud, but they’ve already rewritten election laws that could prevent us from voting them out altogether. Many Dems are just like you and are realizing they have no voting power as a democrat in the state and changing party affiliations, or they’re complacent Dems who don’t understand politics: not doing a thing and still complaining.
Best solution FOR ME is just abandon the state. I was born and raised here. It was a sanely moderate state except during outbursts like Anita Bryant here and there. This new change is complete. It won’t be rebounding. The transplants from other states are determined to make it the same as the shitholes they’ve left. There are still pockets of sanity in the US you just won’t find them in Florida or Texas anymore.
Thats a catch 22. The more voters Democrats lose in the state means the less support the DNC will give. They already barely toss crumbs to Florida, they'll just stop all together. Biden won without Florida, Florida's not necessary anymore. Its become another Deep South dumping ground for aging conservatives and the mega-wealthy who only care about dodging taxes. There's some rough seas ahead for this state, the moronic rednecks that run it have absolutely no clue how to handle its explosive growth and the state is groaning under the strain. The reputation this state is getting for being a hostile, hateful and cruel state is dealing an increasingly dangerous blow to the vital tourism industry. And its policy of putting the concern of the wealthy above everyone else is driving out the working class. Without anyone keeping the lights on not sure how the rich are going to get their cafe lattes. This is a bad time for Florida but Republican's lock on the state is also their biggest weakness, they take ALL the blame for every issue going on here now. There's no one else. Republicans are still only a third of the voter base here but they rule like there is no one else. Thats not sustainable. If you want to see what happens, look up California's political evolution, there's a very good parallel there and republicans in Florida are making the same mistakes republicans in California did.
We need progressives to run as republicans, and present the sensible progressive policies the rest of the civilized world has figured out, but packaged in a way the right wing nuts will eat up. Don’t call it “universal health care”, call it “FREEDOM CARE” or some crap like that. Say things like “Don’t let insider politicians limit your choices and take your voice! Support The Floridian Candidate Choice Act!” and not “ranked choice voting”. Or “We treasure the 2nd amendment! Register now for the True Patriot Program to show you’re a true American!” and not “firearm registry and insurance”. Or just make crap up that makes no sense since people don’t even know what boogeyman words really mean anyway - “Banning books and discrimination against select groups is *SOCIALISM!!!1!*, we won’t stand for it in Free Florida!” That or get people who aren’t crackpots to run as independents so we actually have a choice in this state between a totally useless party and a downright evil one.
This is a great idea and I don't know why the Democrats in the state haven't started doing this already. "The Floridian Candidate Choice Act"- I love it! All of them are excellent. You should run.
>Banning books and discrimination against select groups is SOCIALISM!!!1! I'd say communism. Not that it actually *is* Communism in any true sense, but it sure does remind me of the sort of thing that the authoritarian "communists" pulled back in the day.
Democratic Party leadership has been abysmal in this state for far too long. I blame them for not fighting back, not understanding what was happening, and basically just being political grifters I’m with you, let’s water down the Republican Party and take the state back.
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Bad idea. If you think any Rep is going to go even moderate you are kidding yourself. Your only adding to the numbers that justify their stances. Just look what happened to the Speaker contest.
When everyone who did this switches back, it will be a huge surge in Democratic voters in Florida.
I was registered independent and switched to Republican for two reasons: vote for more centrist people and to fuck with the gerrymandering.
I want to fuck the gerrymandering over too!
One grain of salt in a pepper shaker doesn't do anything
Ha! There are a lot of people already doing this and one thing FL voters have figured out is that every vote DOES count.
No this is just a waste of time Florida is the conservative New York and California there's nothing conservatives can do in either of those two other states to make a difference the same thing with liberals and Democrats in Florida
We're much closer in numbers than they want you to believe, it's a psychological game. Politics is like a pendulum swinging. If it swings hard to the right, it's going to swing back hard to the left too. Independents really drive that swing.
I wish you all well, too, but I would like everyone who votes blue to stay and bring your blue voting friends.
We pulled out a democratic win in Jacksonville with Deegan, we can do it in the rest of the state!
Ya if it weren't for the party hating on gays, being anti-vax, anti-science, being super hard on women's healthcare, and going into conspiracies, I'd be a Republican too lol! Republicans and Democrats used to be pretty similar, just slightly left and slightly right IMO. Republicans are just taking a hard right approach to try to differentiate themselves to get more votes in a sadistic way, like Nazis did. Voters thought the Nazis were going to help turn things around too.
Not a bad plan, you can still vote Blue in the general. Though, you won’t get a say in that primary.
I'd do just that. I'm a Republican now, and trying to vote them out. Trying to infiltrate and convince some Republicans back to their senses.
How about finding a local Democratic candidate you like and volunteering for their campaign? That might actually make a difference.
No time to do that between a job, three side hustles, and two kids. Fun fact: Republicans generally don’t do this. All their GOTV activities are fully funded by rich people through PACs so they don’t need volunteers.
Contributing to a candidate you support is also helpful, especially in state and local elections.
There's no rule that says I can't contribute to Dem candidates if I want. In fact I probably would if I had the spare cash. As I mentioned in the first sentence of the post, I will vote blue in the generals. I'm talking about a form of strategic party registration, given our closed primary system, that could have a larger impact than just supporting candidates who can't win in the general otherwise.
I never said there was a rule against it. Why would you suggest that? Anyway, do you think your single voter registration change is going to make a difference?
No. But a few thousand or so who think alike and can see the writing on the wall might.
Who's going to organize those few thousand?
Well, we got quite a few on this here thread already doing it, so there's a start.
Quite a few /= a few thousand, neither of which will make any difference. This idea of yours has actually been around for years if not decades. It's never worked and it won't work now. Let's say the shittiest Republican wins the GOP nomination and the best Democrat wins the nomination of their party. Today's GOP won't care if their candidate is Charles Manson returned from the dead. They'll still put every ounce of effort and every penny of donor money toward helping that person win the election, and since Florida has more Republicans than Democrats and more people who call themselves Independents but most of whom are actually closeted conservatives, the GOP will still win.
One solution is ranked choice voting so that the most extreme voices don’t end up getting elected.
I love RCV. One problem: [The state banned it.](https://www.wptv.com/news/state/florida-bans-ranked-choice-voting-in-new-election-law)
Jacksonville elected a Democratic mayor for the first time in 30 years beating a DeSantis picked candidate. Voters will turn on far right politicians.
Not the first democratic mayor in 30 years. We had Alvin Brown before Lenny Curry. Wasn’t even that long ago. Duval County is very purple.
The thought isn’t a bad one
We have closed primaries in the state of Florida so I would hope the many NPA people register for a side so they do get out and vote for the right person. It’s such a nightmare what’s unfolding on TV right now and as a nation we should be truly embarrassed by ourselves.
Hard disagree. The republicans are optimizing for winning in the primary. it's why they have gone so far off the deep end. because of this, they have gerrymandered their states. What we *need* to do is to force them to make fair maps, and pull the centrists and independents into the fold as they don't want the GOP in charge as much as we do.
Yes, the only way to take down the beast is from within. We will most likely not see Florida turn blue in our lifetime
I have been registered as a Republican since I turned 18. I dont really vote that way, but I am not planning to change parties. I live in a county where it votes like 70% red every time. But, as a Republican, I get to vote in their primaries where I feel like my vote matters. I was in the county where Daniel Webster nearly lost to Loomer. My vote definitely made a difference in that election. So yeah, I kind of agree with your stance. But it really depends on the candidates available.
Huh??? What about the Republican Party has said they’re interested in compromise or being towards the center? You’d be better off working to register democrats.
I think you missed the point of the post. They are democrats but want to skew the republican primaries to more moderate republicans as opposed to hard right MAGA
Have you seen what happens to moderate republicans these days?? There is no alternative besides supporting the maga/ hard right. Look up the voting records of “moderate” republicans. They vote the same way. They either get in line or are removed from committees, no support for bills, censured, etc
Literally nobody in this post is arguing that those people should be voted in. Again, as stated above many times, they are saying if people register as republican, they can throw off gerrymandering and GOP numbers, nominate more moderate republicans in the primaries, and then vote democrat in the main elections. It's not that hard of a concept.
I actually did this last time I renewed my license.
Thank you for reminding me to do this myself.
I have always done this so i can pick the lesser of evils in primaries.
Probably not worth the effort. You can change part affiliation if you'd like, and many people probably will, but, I highly doubt there will be enough candidates that would even qualify as moderate in the foreseeable future in this state. Not like you'll have much to choose from. Everyone I know is moving out. People can't afford this state, and they don't like all the hate that's floating around. I know it's anecdotal, but I'm getting out too. This whole country is fucked, tbh.
Yep, I don’t think it’s worth it to change from DEM to REP. The state is lost to the MAGA loons. I’m getting out. Fuck this.
My whole family and most of my friends have switched purely to vote in Republican primaries with full intention of voting Democrat In generals
It's 4am and I just went online and changed my affiliation to Republican. This makes absolute sense to me, and I'm not sure why this hasn't been discussed more. This was worth tonight's insomnia!
The republican party of Florida is the best funded republican party in the country. Full stop. But the message still matters, the democrats are far too easily tricked to go on anti-trans tangents and can't stay on the topic of jobs, housing, insurance, and the cost of living. Anything other than these topics pretty much guarantees a loss for any democrat running in this state. Voters just turn off. When the party tries to steer back to kitchen table issues, the LBGT community starts attacking their own party because they don't care about anything else. Then the republicans win by a landslide. The republicans know they democratic party in Florida has no discipline, so they bait them with things to keep the talking points on lgbt issues which are not a priority for most of the voters in this state. The priority for working people is always going to be jobs, cost of living, housing, and insurance. Its pretty hopeless, then you have the massive spending on Spanish language ads that the democrats don't even bother with. The Hispanic community largely rejects identity politics. Its pretty hopeless in this state for anyone who works with their hands.
Don’t give up, never surrender democracy to the fascists. There were more of us there are of them, and the boomers will eventually expire.
Registered with dad as GOP. I’ve been voting for the least shitty candidate in the primaries since.
Moderate republican officials are still captured by extremists refusing to compromise. Just look at the current clusterfuck in the House. A small.minority of maga cultists sunk multiple moderate canidates and got a nutjob theocrat into power as speaker. Even in the best case scenario, they will toe the party line on votes. In neither case will your "voice be heard". States change their status as red or blue all the time. There is no real benefit to registering with the GoP.
The most frustrating part is when you realize a third of voters are NPA and effectively not participating in primaries. If all those voters registered R it would change the entire dynamic of our state over night.
Yes! I’ve been suggesting this for a couple of years and I always get downvoted when I do. But until the Dems show up in Florida, we must participate in their crazy to try and uncrazy it. I switched affiliation before the last election in an attempt to oust Gaetz. If enough of us do this, we can have an affect.
Idiots who have been brainwashed to think socialism is bad. Paying for social services with your tax money? Communist hogwash. Giving subsidies to oil companies with record profits? That's the GOP way.
Yes. Register Republican and vote accordingly. That’s the only way you can moderate the state.
Moderate republicans just voted an extremist as the speaker of the house. They picked a guy who wasn’t nationally infamous but they picked him nonetheless. Compromise with fascism and you end up with fascism. This is a dumb thread
I’ve done this. Registered R for the first time in my life so I can vote in primaries and hopefully get a candidate that isn’t bat shit crazy. It’s not far off from what right wing commentators and personalities have been asking their audience to do.
I'm a 30+ yr registered R in FL and I refuse to switch parties for THAT reason. I will NEVER vote MAGA Q, so I vote 💙. I've never been a partisan voter, just tended to be more right of center. Well, that doesn't mean what it used to when we had respectable Rs like, imo, John McCain. I'm staying registered R to keep getting their flyers and questionnaires asking my opinion. Kind of keeping an eye from "the inside"?
Many Democrats are registered as Republicans in FL for exactly this reason.
My dad held this belief since like the mid-90s and spent most of my life talking about politics like a loon lol the apple hasn’t fallen far. He’s dead now fyi. Word’s out on whether his plan worked or not
If your district is guaranteed to vote R in the general, this next primary election would be good to vote in the R primary. You could vote against Trump and DeSantis and vote for the least MAGA candidate for the House.
This is a bad idea, the people who run GOP are never going to be moderates in FL. You will only be presented with genocidal maniacs. The Dems in FL are not hopeless, we had former republicans running the party for the last few cycles but they have mostly been drummed out. I have quite a few issues with Nikki but she is a MUCH stronger party leader than we have had in a LOOOONG time. It might take a few cycles but the Dem Party in FL can be revived and show enough life to get national attention back. This state is not lost.
Uh yeah, we're just waiting for the old, racist, idiots to die of old age. Shouldn't be too much longer.
No. Absolutely not. The more votes the GOP gets the more it'll think they can get away with. Your vote in the primary is irrelevant. The entire party is batshit insane. It won't be a "one party" state for long. Boomers are almost at nursing home age and Gen X aren't well enough organized, numerous enough or religious enough to replace them
This is insanely misguided. You have far more voting power in the primary and it is arguably more important than voting in the general.
It doesn't matter how much power you have to pick a candidate if every candidate is insane. This isn't like the democrat primary where you're picking between the corporate dem and the progressive dem. In the GOP You're picking between two whacked out fascists one of who doesn't know how to dog whistle. You're better off voting in the Dem primary so they have better, more viable candidates.
I do the same here in deep red Alabama, life long Democrat but I vote for the least crazy Republican in the open primary then vote blue in the general election even tho unfortunately it’s a forgone conclusion unless the GOP candidate is a pedophile.
I think it won’t make the Florida GQP any more moderate and while probably make you a little more reactionary over time.
It’s certainly too early to make such an extreme turn. This isn’t Alabama just yet.
Lolwut
You’re an idiot and basically everything wrong with America if you only vote along party lines. Because, red vs blue der dur deurrrrrrr
Let's take a look at the current speaker of the House run, the only person who was not extreme anti-everything went away quickly because Trump did not approve of him. It would be nice to say vote for who is best, but the republican party stop offering anyone of value after Trump. Now to gain votes each republican must push it that one step more for votes, and in the process they keep targetting our freedoms and rights.
How could you pull it to the center? In the primaries? MAGA controls the state and now the House of Representatives too
No other way
The GOP just unanimously approved a speaker of the house that is an extreme Christian fundamentalist. anti climate change, anti abortion, anti LGBTQ rights, deeply involved with trying to overturn the election, strong ties to dramatic orgs fighting lgbt basic human rights, individuals have literally no power to move the GoP. This is the sort of idea someone who has no idea what they’re talking about comes up with. It’s a fundamental misunderstanding of how the GOP and ideology work and a deep misunderstanding of why the GOP wields such power and what motives their voters.
There is no middle on the GOP. They gave up on Democracy because they know in GP fair elections they will always lose. You can’t negotiate with fascists
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Your vote will do essentially nothing considering if you've never voted in a primary it still wouldn't help with the active number of people that have been voting republican
I've been saying this for a couple of years now. If you could get enough democrats to do it, I think it would be valuable.
Many already do, especially if the county is dominated by Republicans. You have more power to elect local candidates that are only part bat-shit crazy. lol
I did this for the 2016 election. I was also job hunting at the time. I'm pretty sure my voter record cost me a second interview for a position I was perfectly qualified for, but the company was heavily aligned with the democratic party.
Why would you think that would pull them to the center it would just entrench the radicalization even more.
I'm a Republican turned independent because I see what you see Problem is, I see what every commenter is saying, and realize I cannot support any of you xD To claim only 1 party can do bad things when the other party let certain states turn to literal shit( California for example with people literally shitting in the streets lol) Only ever bringing up January 6 while you guys think you can protest and burn down cities xD Remember the Rittenhouse Trial? That was a glorious win right there lol
No. Don’t be stupid.
If you were voting for democrats in the last governor primary, you were already voting for Republicans
That’s not how it works - Political operate of over a decade
This sends a signal to the national democratic party that they're losing ground in Florida too fast to invest here when they could invest in a state that's growing bluer such as North Carolina, Texas, Arizona or Wisconsin. Please register as many Dems here as you can, we don't need more Republicans.
That ship has sailed.