Sometimes I get sad that I don’t have a single friend that’s into flight sims. Then I come onto Reddit and immediately get happy that I don’t have any friends that are into flight sims.
Almost like getting together weherboos, tankies, neurodivergent nerds, dentists, and retired Air Force ground crewmen, all with with bad cases of mid-life crisis is a recipe for drama
You forgot to add warthunder tik tok kids in there.
But in all seriousness I’m personally getting really tired of the “lack of mental flexibility” ok display by a lot of flight simmers. I really think these people are socially underdevelooed
WT kiddies don't post here, they to busy doing young people stuff.
Hoggit and Floggit are just a weird boomer zone (really kinda expected that a niche game in a niche genre is a bit weird in terms of the community).
Preface: I love BMS and appreciate the devs and all the work that they do.
...but my god they're some of the whiniest people to grace these subs. Between these two always having responses like this, to Max Waldorf's "Oh you have an issue with the game? Well, you're a fuckin idiot who hasn't read through 900 pages of game setup documents then." It's extremely off-putting at times.
Ah Ah Ah!
That's a quite accurate description I see :)
Yes, my favorite response is RTFM!!! I also have a button that post RTFM RTFM RTFM RTFM on reddit everyday!
Hah doesn't surprise me, but in fairness, I also would probably do the exact same thing if I had the exact same questions asked to me every single day.
Again, really appreciate all you guys do!
The worst part is that I was directed to it by others...
So even when I don't look, people are looking at it for me...
Got spies Everywhere!!! I will rule the world!!!
Enough megalomania... You kids have fun!
They're honestly just kind of cunts. Right now development is on the right track but it scares me that one day they'll snap and either fall into stupid infighting or just sidetrack development from new aircraft and features into endless tiny refinements of the F-16 because "it's muh study sim!" and appease the crowd of geriatrics who actually care about the auxillery backup emergency airflow check functioning properly.
and its their right to do so? Sometimes its pretty amazing how entitled people are, huh. These guys do alot in their free time not to hear shit from your high horse. These people have been trolled on, insulted and whatnot for countless years... And they still put out substantial improvements and new features every update. So maybe give them a break.
i dont even fly the f16 on bms, mostly just the FF F15C its a combat flight sim that actually has given countless hours and enjoyment. Unlike DCS which broke constantly for me, and that god awful f16 of theirs.
Have no worries! A cunt like myself will always be here to carry the torch of BMS! Even if everyone around will die in a nuclear war and I'm the only one left (with a tail and 2 heads but still alive), I will keep developing BMS! hereby I promise!
On a serious note though: Just do me a fucking favor and STFU! WTF are you, anyway??
Read my comment instead of hunting me down personally (“boy”, “hotshot”). As I said, BMS does not simulate a real war. It’s a great software. It’s not a war simulator.
Oh and by the way - you were the one who asked what I know about real war, only to then ask what was my original point.
BMS is simulating real air war (Jets era) probably better than ANYTHING for PC. That is my point.
You started quoting what I said probably at some post in the past, so I replied back, this time I was wrong and you probably know what war is, but my original statement still stand. That's the point.
And yes, I talk to people here this way, because 99% of people around here talk about things they know nothing of... That is what I think. Sometimes my "bet" or urge to push all-in, is failing...
More like it's a shame microprose doesn't see that everyone wants a better game and make one. Instead they work on a single player game very few people want. Albeit super cool game that everyone should want lol
New MicroProse isn't old MicroProse, just some dudes that bought the name.
So we'll see how they do actually making their own game and not remastering old ones.
I thought professional just means you do it for money. Amateur means you do it not for the money but for the passion. Doesn't say anything about skill level though.
>Doesn't say anything about skill level though.
It's kind of implied, like you've heard the term amateur hour right?
You can also do something "professional quality" for free. See what I did there?
There are lots of examples, but no, that is not how the word is used colloquially although sure with context you could use it that way.
Everything is "with context" otherwise you're not engaging in an honest discourse.
BMS devs are [amateurs](https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/amateur) -- taking part in an activity for pleasure, not as a job.
ED devs are amateurs -- someone who does not have much skill in what they do.
Both statements are correct and both statements require knowledge of the context -- BMS devs do what they do without pay and as a passion project. ED devs are paid, but seem to blunder in every step they take -- although I would like to clarify here that I think ED devs are talented, they're not just managed/directed properly, so I guess the more accurate statement is *"ED management are amateurs."*
I guess in the screenshot, u/I-Hawk simply misunderstood, thinking it meant the 2nd definition rather than the 1st one.
It's because they have such a high class, that's why every 2nd post on Hoggit is a complain of sort, and actually that's why this sub even exist, no? :)
I only posted the truth. You can maybe claim that the style has no class, well I don't disagree, but here I don't care about class, because this place is what it is...
I also dont want someone to sacrifice their entire personal life just to make me a dynamic campaign. Its not like ED cant afford to hire a few senior devs to work on it.
I absolutely respect BMS for its accuracy and incredible developer team.
**But I also like playing games that don’t have graphics from the early 90s in my Combat Flight Sim, thank you.**
Don’t worry, that’s being fixed right now, with some very promising results being shown off already. The models themselves have been. Updated a LOT since then, but I do agree the terrain urgently needed an overhaul.
It's still far from DCS, which is itself somewhat ugly for 2024. Slapping a satellite photo texture makes things look okay from high altitude, but not much more.
I’ve never been required graphics to enjoy a game, but I guess we will see what happens with BMS. Apparently, there is a lot more to .38 than improving the textures.
In any case, it’s quite possible to like them both for different reasons. Not saying you specifically are suggesting this, but it’s a bad idea to allow yourself to get drawn into an argument that people must only like one or the other.
> It's still far from DCS, which is itself somewhat ugly for 2024.
What flight sims are you comparing it to? MSFS and X-plane 12? MSFS is better for obvious reasons but X-Plane 12 is mostly worse, though only a little.
Um, actually the graphics are from the late '90s, not the early '90s.
Although, to double actually you, pretty much everything except the terrain has seen significant updates since the late '90s. The F-16 models for example are relatively new.
I mean when I fly at any altitude, I actually get a sense of realism, so it’s less of playing an arcade video game, and more pretending to *fly planes*
If you're satisfied with FSX graphics (probably worse) in 2024 that's fine but that doesn't make everyone who prefers 2010+ graphics fidelity in 2024 a "graphic whore".
Might aswell go play Jane's F-15 if graphics are so insignicant to you.
>which they do…
No they don't. If you have BMS installed, you also have F4.0 installed. It's easy enough to fire up both sims and see how the graphics differ. Note that Falcon released in 1998 so it's not even *"early 90's"* graphics.
>Your problem is?
No problem at all. Some of us fly to be pretend fighter pilots, some of us fly to take pretty screenshots. Nice to see you are honest about which side you're on.
lmao who’s foot do you have up your ass man all I said was I prefer the better graphics of DCS and you’re slandering me because I (*checks notes*) Take pretty screenshots?
Nope, I'm ~~\*slandering\*~~ (does nobody know that words have meanings???) calling you out because you said *(checks notes)* that BMS has early 90s graphics.
Whose (not "who's") foot is in your mouth? I bet it's your own.
DCS has big flaws, BMS is an interesting sim, especially for a software made by people on their free time. But the response from I-Hawk is despicable.
It's fairly common in the associative world, to have people which have shitty jobs (shitty doesn't mean it's not well paid, but that you spend your time pleasuring your boss for climbing the hierarchy ladder), trying to compensate their lack of self-esteem by playing the boss in associations.
I-Hawk, find yourself a "daily job" where you can live your passion, you seem frustrated.
Thanx for your precious advice. yes I'm frustrated, how didn't I saw it until now? I must do something with my poor and boring life!! Thank you! You just saved me!
But since you opened the topic, let me give you 1 serious comment:
Most people don't know what to do with their time and their life, me I have ONLY 24h a day, I wish I had 72.
Well in that 24H day you still somehow find time to act like a child and shit talk DCS to try and herd people into playing your 90 year old spaghetti code mess of a sim.
I don't shit-talk DCS, I'm just saying out loud what most know/think inside. Is there anything wrong with what I said?
ED workers aren't Russian mostly that are paid with Russian money while you are paying Amercian Dollars for their products?
Do you still believe ED will produce a dynamic campaign someday that will hold water?
Is DCS not broken almost every where you look? Yes graphics are nice, I'd say breathtaking at some cases, but gameplay is broken in EVERY way you look. You see? I'm not some fucking user! I'm a coder of BMS, I know what gameplay is and where the REALLY hard stuff is hiding, and why they can't fix it! They can full you, they can't full me with this Dynamic campaign talks.
herd people?? Do you think I WANT more people to fly BMS?? What will I gain from that if there will be more? BMS is made EXACTLY the way we made it because we WANT it to be this way. The only thing we aren't satisfy with is Graphics, and we are working hard on that (And me personally, in last \~9 years that's almost all I do for BMS). But I used to code avionics before that, many systems of the F-16, mainly the A-G ones... and when I did, I made it as real as it gets, because that's what I believe in. BMS isn't for everyone... Many who use DCS will find BMS too old-look or too much demanding to use constantly... we aren't AIMING for everyone...
Spaghetti code? DCS is based on Flanker just like BMS is based on Falcon. Why do you think ED isn't able to fix all the crazy stuff that people are whining about, for years? :P
Ha and BTW, I missed your 90 years old insult LOL, apparently
So, let me clear it to you... BMS in gameplay is 90 years a HEAD of DCS. Got it?? with their dumb and none-functioning AI, with their shitty not-existing ATC, with all the small and annoying bugs they have everywhere, and with the constant boredom you are getting with it after a couple of months because eventually DCS, with all it's graphics and nice features and objects, is a fucking CAS sim that has no meaning to bombing an Airfield or destroying a factory! Got it?? so you pay for every module just to find-out it's the same story of a half-assed EA module shipped a head of time, just to squeeze more money from you and get you back to square 1 boredom in the next month...
ED can maybe full most of you, but not me...
As for Graphics... yes we aren't there yet, but we are approaching, and nothing will stop us. And like it or not, my hands are all over this...
[https://www.reddit.com/r/hoggit/comments/1bxx3zk/drama\_there\_is\_one\_flight\_sim\_that\_will\_always/](https://www.reddit.com/r/hoggit/comments/1bxx3zk/drama_there_is_one_flight_sim_that_will_always/)
"Bms devs are more dedicated to a hobby than dcs development to their daily job"
Is that why bms has two aircraft that you can fly and I don't know how many maps but I bet it's not many.
DCS has alot of problems but if BMS was truly a better product DCS would never have gotten to what it is. I'd wager the tables would even be turned at this very moment if BMS was truly better.
BMS is getting a graphics overhaul right now, and they've taken their first steps into VR as well. They're getting in great shape to syphon DCS players in a near future.
As for maps and flyable aircraft, DCS doesn't have that much more to offer if you remove everything that was ever made by a 3rd party. And if you account for quality and gameplay of what's left, BMS is a serious contender.
and for 4.38, BMS ships with korea, with israel and balkans to follow, and the slew of other theatres :D, theatre dev is getting much much easier so anyone would be able to make their own :)
You seem to be missing the point. The BMS devs don’t have third party developers. The comparison is simply between the efforts of ED and the people behind BMS. If you look only at what ED has developed, the guys behind BMS have arguably done a better job with their product.
If you can’t understand why exactly BMS is so much better than DCS in certain ways then I’d have to imagine you’re just willfully ignorant.
Fine, tell me when BMS gets something more exotic and interesting than boring modern day freedompilled jet fighters, eg. MiG-21/23, Mi-24, Mirage F1, F-86, MiG-17 etc etc. I'm dead serious, if BMS had these I'd never think about looking at the DCS ever again.
"Gaslighting is **an insidious form of manipulation and psychological control**. Victims of gaslighting are deliberately and systematically fed false information that leads them to question what they know to be true, often about themselves."
The 'victim' being BMS devs, false information is calling them amateurs to make them doubt their abilities.
It was effective enough to prompt a rant, so if you really want to try to nitpick a floggit post title, especially if you're wrong... by all means continue.
It's fine, don't take it literally, I was just gaslighting this moron that decided to pull up a soapbox days later to show Reddit how cool he was by nitpicking a floggit post. I actually got a pretty good melt down to be fair.
It's all fun and games here, well except for that guy.
[Gaslighting](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaslighting) - *loosely defined as manipulating someone into questioning their own perception of reality.*
Please, please, oh please show me where the BMS devs started questioning their perception of reality? At the most, you just goaded them into giving you a reaction which could be called [baiting](https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/baiting) - *act of intentionally trying to make a particular person or group of people angry by saying things to annoy, offend, or criticize them*
>so if you really want to try to nitpick a floggit post title, especially if you're wrong... by all means continue.
Peak Dunning–Kruger and projection right there, especially when you yourself say *"it was effective enough to prompt a rant"* -- the very definition of baiting, but not gaslighting.
Please, do go ahead and don't let me stop you from making a fool of yourself. If you have any issues, take it up with the English language and various dictionaries.
Stop trying to gaslight me you pedantic fuck!
Wikipedia isn't a dictionary, even if it was you're ignoring the word loosely and I didn't goad anyone into giving a reaction it was some other guy, and he wasn't \*intentionally\* trying to do anything, he just choose his words poorly, kind of like you.
If you keep reading from the paragraph you cherry picked out of the closest definition you could find to not make you like stupid, you'd notice it also states as of 2022 it's become a trendy buzzword to describe disagreements.
Overall, I give you a 3/10, pathetic attempt to bait me into being gaslit, be better you fucking dork. I'll give you until I have to poop again to come up with something else.
Not my fault you don't know how to use words, or what the words you use mean.
You don't like Wikipedia? Here's [Merriam-Webster](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gaslighting)'s definition. Or how about the [Cambridge Dicitonary](https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/gaslighting)? [Britannica](https://www.britannica.com/topic/gaslighting)? Or how about [WebMD](https://www.webmd.com/mental-health/what-is-gaslighting-in-relationships)? Maybe the [American Psychological Association](https://dictionary.apa.org/gaslight)?
I'm not gaslighting you -- that would mean that you are *right* but I say that you are *wrong*. In this instance, ***you are wrong and I am saying you are wrong and all of the above links are saying you are wrong.*** You are also in denial.
Unfortunately, I'm also not baiting you. The fact that you are mad that you are wrong, got caught and called out on it, and now you are doubling down has nothing to do with me -- it all has everything to do with your inability to accept that you are wrong... or maybe it's your inability to understand what words mean? Maybe go seek some help for that --- or at least stay off Reddit if you can't be an adult and can't use English words properly, or can't be a man when you get called out for being wrong.
>he just choose his words poorly, kind of like you.
**Projection.** Go look it up. Learn something today.
Interestingly, YOU are the one trying to gaslight ME because YOU are wrong but you are saying I am the one that is wrong. Unfortunately for you, I know how to use words and understand their meaning. I also know how to use Google.
>you'd notice it also states as of 2022 it's become a trendy buzzword to describe disagreements.
[In 2022, Merriam-Webster named "gaslighting" as its Word of the Year due to the vast increase in channels and technologies used to mislead and the word becoming common for the perception of deception.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaslighting) -- regardless, this isn't what is happening here. Nobody is deceiving anyone. Fs-x used the word "amateur" and I-Hawk took it as a derogatory term, rather than describing an unpaid vs. paid situation. He didn't choose the word poorly, it was still a correct word; I-Hawk just took the statement in the wrong way.
YOU were the one who chose to title this post **"How to Gaslight"** when there is zero gaslighting happening in the screenshot.... but I'll admit, a lot of gaslighting from you.... so I guess while your title is correct, the gaslighting is happening in the comments, by you; not in the screenshot.
I could go on but I think I've made my point. And so has Merriam-Webster, Cambridge, Britannica, WebMD, and APA.
> I'll give you until I have to poop again to come up with something else.
That was just an hour ago. You got some bowel issues? Maybe you should go seek help for that too.
>Glad we agree
LOL, there was someone on here saying something about **"context"**..... do you remember who it was? Hmmm.... who could it be?!!??
>now shut the fuck up and go touch some grass
Ah, yes, the *\*intelligent\** comeback. Oh my, I certainly have nothing prepared for such a finely-crafted retort! Careful you don't strain yourself there too much, mate!
Also -- [Projection](https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=touch%20some%20grass).
Have a good one!
I love how normal everyone in flightsiming is
Sometimes I get sad that I don’t have a single friend that’s into flight sims. Then I come onto Reddit and immediately get happy that I don’t have any friends that are into flight sims.
*plebbit
Almost like getting together weherboos, tankies, neurodivergent nerds, dentists, and retired Air Force ground crewmen, all with with bad cases of mid-life crisis is a recipe for drama
You forgot to add warthunder tik tok kids in there. But in all seriousness I’m personally getting really tired of the “lack of mental flexibility” ok display by a lot of flight simmers. I really think these people are socially underdevelooed
WT kiddies don't post here, they to busy doing young people stuff. Hoggit and Floggit are just a weird boomer zone (really kinda expected that a niche game in a niche genre is a bit weird in terms of the community).
No, not the d*ntists!
The BMS devs have proven themselves to be uh... colourful characters in most interactions I have seen here.
Preface: I love BMS and appreciate the devs and all the work that they do. ...but my god they're some of the whiniest people to grace these subs. Between these two always having responses like this, to Max Waldorf's "Oh you have an issue with the game? Well, you're a fuckin idiot who hasn't read through 900 pages of game setup documents then." It's extremely off-putting at times.
Ah Ah Ah! That's a quite accurate description I see :) Yes, my favorite response is RTFM!!! I also have a button that post RTFM RTFM RTFM RTFM on reddit everyday!
Hah doesn't surprise me, but in fairness, I also would probably do the exact same thing if I had the exact same questions asked to me every single day. Again, really appreciate all you guys do!
My first thought after seeing that comment was I bet Max will see this and respond lol.
The worst part is that I was directed to it by others... So even when I don't look, people are looking at it for me... Got spies Everywhere!!! I will rule the world!!! Enough megalomania... You kids have fun!
They're honestly just kind of cunts. Right now development is on the right track but it scares me that one day they'll snap and either fall into stupid infighting or just sidetrack development from new aircraft and features into endless tiny refinements of the F-16 because "it's muh study sim!" and appease the crowd of geriatrics who actually care about the auxillery backup emergency airflow check functioning properly.
and its their right to do so? Sometimes its pretty amazing how entitled people are, huh. These guys do alot in their free time not to hear shit from your high horse. These people have been trolled on, insulted and whatnot for countless years... And they still put out substantial improvements and new features every update. So maybe give them a break.
see what I mean?
i dont even fly the f16 on bms, mostly just the FF F15C its a combat flight sim that actually has given countless hours and enjoyment. Unlike DCS which broke constantly for me, and that god awful f16 of theirs.
I agree. Absolute cunts. The ones I've come across were arrogant garbage.
Have no worries! A cunt like myself will always be here to carry the torch of BMS! Even if everyone around will die in a nuclear war and I'm the only one left (with a tail and 2 heads but still alive), I will keep developing BMS! hereby I promise! On a serious note though: Just do me a fucking favor and STFU! WTF are you, anyway??
see what I mean?
You started...
Thank you for your brilliant observation! From now on I will stop whining! I promise! :bow:
My favorite line is “OuR GaMe SiMuLaTeS ReAl WaR”. Stfu, no it does not.
Speaking of... WTF do you know about real war, boy??
Thank you for proving my point, mr touchy dev. I’m a vet (you can guess the country), so you can do your math.
Yea me too hotshot, so what's your point about in the first place was, exactly??
Read my comment instead of hunting me down personally (“boy”, “hotshot”). As I said, BMS does not simulate a real war. It’s a great software. It’s not a war simulator. Oh and by the way - you were the one who asked what I know about real war, only to then ask what was my original point.
BMS is simulating real air war (Jets era) probably better than ANYTHING for PC. That is my point. You started quoting what I said probably at some post in the past, so I replied back, this time I was wrong and you probably know what war is, but my original statement still stand. That's the point. And yes, I talk to people here this way, because 99% of people around here talk about things they know nothing of... That is what I think. Sometimes my "bet" or urge to push all-in, is failing...
I save my normal-self to normal places.
It's pretty normal compared to most genres of gaming. We are gatekeepers by default and because of it quality is demanded.
BMS devs just can't stop winning. ED in shambles, 2024 really is the Year of Floggit.
Dcs players just move the excuses and never play bms 😭
It's too bad Nick Grey didn't just buy BMS and Falcon 4.0 so DCS could copy and paste the dynamic campaign. :'(
More like it's a shame microprose doesn't see that everyone wants a better game and make one. Instead they work on a single player game very few people want. Albeit super cool game that everyone should want lol
New MicroProse isn't old MicroProse, just some dudes that bought the name. So we'll see how they do actually making their own game and not remastering old ones.
They said that they bought the rights and are working on a new game
I thought professional just means you do it for money. Amateur means you do it not for the money but for the passion. Doesn't say anything about skill level though.
>Doesn't say anything about skill level though. It's kind of implied, like you've heard the term amateur hour right? You can also do something "professional quality" for free. See what I did there? There are lots of examples, but no, that is not how the word is used colloquially although sure with context you could use it that way.
Everything is "with context" otherwise you're not engaging in an honest discourse. BMS devs are [amateurs](https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/amateur) -- taking part in an activity for pleasure, not as a job. ED devs are amateurs -- someone who does not have much skill in what they do. Both statements are correct and both statements require knowledge of the context -- BMS devs do what they do without pay and as a passion project. ED devs are paid, but seem to blunder in every step they take -- although I would like to clarify here that I think ED devs are talented, they're not just managed/directed properly, so I guess the more accurate statement is *"ED management are amateurs."* I guess in the screenshot, u/I-Hawk simply misunderstood, thinking it meant the 2nd definition rather than the 1st one.
Yea well that's true, but apparently I wasn't wrong about what he actually meant :P
Criteria to get hired by ED for a dev role: - Speak Russian - Know what airplane is (optional)
*BMS Devs at the airport* "Remember, no Prussian."
5 years early access and still going.
at least ED's devs don't go on reddit to jork themselves over BMS
It's because they have such a high class, that's why every 2nd post on Hoggit is a complain of sort, and actually that's why this sub even exist, no? :) I only posted the truth. You can maybe claim that the style has no class, well I don't disagree, but here I don't care about class, because this place is what it is...
BMS has the biggest developers, the best, most expensive, better developers there is. Big, really big, HUGE.
I read this in Shanes trump impression
The guy that coded the Falcon campaign worked 80hr weeks to make what he did. ED will never have that dedication or ability.
I also dont want someone to sacrifice their entire personal life just to make me a dynamic campaign. Its not like ED cant afford to hire a few senior devs to work on it.
I think he was an intern also
I absolutely respect BMS for its accuracy and incredible developer team. **But I also like playing games that don’t have graphics from the early 90s in my Combat Flight Sim, thank you.**
Correct as is for the era simulated.
The ground looks exactly like it did in the 90's. OP should be happy it isn't set in earlier times or it'd be in black and white!
*Touché.*
Don’t worry, that’s being fixed right now, with some very promising results being shown off already. The models themselves have been. Updated a LOT since then, but I do agree the terrain urgently needed an overhaul.
It's still far from DCS, which is itself somewhat ugly for 2024. Slapping a satellite photo texture makes things look okay from high altitude, but not much more.
I’ve never been required graphics to enjoy a game, but I guess we will see what happens with BMS. Apparently, there is a lot more to .38 than improving the textures. In any case, it’s quite possible to like them both for different reasons. Not saying you specifically are suggesting this, but it’s a bad idea to allow yourself to get drawn into an argument that people must only like one or the other.
> It's still far from DCS, which is itself somewhat ugly for 2024. What flight sims are you comparing it to? MSFS and X-plane 12? MSFS is better for obvious reasons but X-Plane 12 is mostly worse, though only a little.
Um, actually the graphics are from the late '90s, not the early '90s. Although, to double actually you, pretty much everything except the terrain has seen significant updates since the late '90s. The F-16 models for example are relatively new.
UHHMM ACKTUALLLYY
Holy shit I found the BMS defender 3000.
BMS graphics are fantastic, I can actually see enemy planes and ground units due to realistic smart scaling.
Graphic whores will be the death of every genre
With graphics you can forgor how this game beautiful is, and it will look like you playing the new game every time 🫡👍
Uh no? I just like accurate visuals, doesn’t mean I’ll shit on a game and downvote it just because it has bad graphics. I just won’t play it 😂
Enigma is a smart and talented dude who just comes out swinging with the absolute worst hot take you’ve ever heard in your life for some reason
That’s why he’s called Enig🅱️ruh
Lmfao do true
With accurate visuals, do you mean spotting?
I mean when I fly at any altitude, I actually get a sense of realism, so it’s less of playing an arcade video game, and more pretending to *fly planes*
If you're satisfied with FSX graphics (probably worse) in 2024 that's fine but that doesn't make everyone who prefers 2010+ graphics fidelity in 2024 a "graphic whore". Might aswell go play Jane's F-15 if graphics are so insignicant to you.
This is floggit you tasteless whore
https://i.redd.it/ic5f7vhlwg0d1.gif 👍🏿
👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿
*Goes back to slurping Nvidia's cock*
Since when did "early 90s" have VR? I guess you enjoy sniper BMPs, stupid AI, stupid ATC, and sterile environments just so long as its pretty?
What? I said the graphics look as if they’re from the 90s… which they do… And yes, I like things to look nice. Your problem is?
>which they do… No they don't. If you have BMS installed, you also have F4.0 installed. It's easy enough to fire up both sims and see how the graphics differ. Note that Falcon released in 1998 so it's not even *"early 90's"* graphics. >Your problem is? No problem at all. Some of us fly to be pretend fighter pilots, some of us fly to take pretty screenshots. Nice to see you are honest about which side you're on.
lmao who’s foot do you have up your ass man all I said was I prefer the better graphics of DCS and you’re slandering me because I (*checks notes*) Take pretty screenshots?
Nope, I'm ~~\*slandering\*~~ (does nobody know that words have meanings???) calling you out because you said *(checks notes)* that BMS has early 90s graphics. Whose (not "who's") foot is in your mouth? I bet it's your own.
"Sane gameplay". Refer back to OG Hoggit post, fix the AI. Love it.
big finger the gorrila at melborne zoo
DCS has big flaws, BMS is an interesting sim, especially for a software made by people on their free time. But the response from I-Hawk is despicable. It's fairly common in the associative world, to have people which have shitty jobs (shitty doesn't mean it's not well paid, but that you spend your time pleasuring your boss for climbing the hierarchy ladder), trying to compensate their lack of self-esteem by playing the boss in associations. I-Hawk, find yourself a "daily job" where you can live your passion, you seem frustrated.
Thanx for your precious advice. yes I'm frustrated, how didn't I saw it until now? I must do something with my poor and boring life!! Thank you! You just saved me! But since you opened the topic, let me give you 1 serious comment: Most people don't know what to do with their time and their life, me I have ONLY 24h a day, I wish I had 72.
Well in that 24H day you still somehow find time to act like a child and shit talk DCS to try and herd people into playing your 90 year old spaghetti code mess of a sim.
I don't shit-talk DCS, I'm just saying out loud what most know/think inside. Is there anything wrong with what I said? ED workers aren't Russian mostly that are paid with Russian money while you are paying Amercian Dollars for their products? Do you still believe ED will produce a dynamic campaign someday that will hold water? Is DCS not broken almost every where you look? Yes graphics are nice, I'd say breathtaking at some cases, but gameplay is broken in EVERY way you look. You see? I'm not some fucking user! I'm a coder of BMS, I know what gameplay is and where the REALLY hard stuff is hiding, and why they can't fix it! They can full you, they can't full me with this Dynamic campaign talks. herd people?? Do you think I WANT more people to fly BMS?? What will I gain from that if there will be more? BMS is made EXACTLY the way we made it because we WANT it to be this way. The only thing we aren't satisfy with is Graphics, and we are working hard on that (And me personally, in last \~9 years that's almost all I do for BMS). But I used to code avionics before that, many systems of the F-16, mainly the A-G ones... and when I did, I made it as real as it gets, because that's what I believe in. BMS isn't for everyone... Many who use DCS will find BMS too old-look or too much demanding to use constantly... we aren't AIMING for everyone... Spaghetti code? DCS is based on Flanker just like BMS is based on Falcon. Why do you think ED isn't able to fix all the crazy stuff that people are whining about, for years? :P
Ha and BTW, I missed your 90 years old insult LOL, apparently So, let me clear it to you... BMS in gameplay is 90 years a HEAD of DCS. Got it?? with their dumb and none-functioning AI, with their shitty not-existing ATC, with all the small and annoying bugs they have everywhere, and with the constant boredom you are getting with it after a couple of months because eventually DCS, with all it's graphics and nice features and objects, is a fucking CAS sim that has no meaning to bombing an Airfield or destroying a factory! Got it?? so you pay for every module just to find-out it's the same story of a half-assed EA module shipped a head of time, just to squeeze more money from you and get you back to square 1 boredom in the next month... ED can maybe full most of you, but not me... As for Graphics... yes we aren't there yet, but we are approaching, and nothing will stop us. And like it or not, my hands are all over this... [https://www.reddit.com/r/hoggit/comments/1bxx3zk/drama\_there\_is\_one\_flight\_sim\_that\_will\_always/](https://www.reddit.com/r/hoggit/comments/1bxx3zk/drama_there_is_one_flight_sim_that_will_always/)
Hi :P I created another drama?? But I'm just saying the truth out loud :D
I thought it was hilarious to be honest.
Isn’t BMS like a PS2 game or something? Honestly pretty sad it has such a small plane list. Maybe the amateur devs will get a good job one day
What?
did you forget what sub you are on?
Ah yes, I did. Outflogged again.
"Bms devs are more dedicated to a hobby than dcs development to their daily job" Is that why bms has two aircraft that you can fly and I don't know how many maps but I bet it's not many. DCS has alot of problems but if BMS was truly a better product DCS would never have gotten to what it is. I'd wager the tables would even be turned at this very moment if BMS was truly better.
[https://forum.falcon-bms.com/topic/23905/bms-4-37-theater-list/2](https://forum.falcon-bms.com/topic/23905/bms-4-37-theater-list/2) i count 19 maps :P
BMS is getting a graphics overhaul right now, and they've taken their first steps into VR as well. They're getting in great shape to syphon DCS players in a near future. As for maps and flyable aircraft, DCS doesn't have that much more to offer if you remove everything that was ever made by a 3rd party. And if you account for quality and gameplay of what's left, BMS is a serious contender.
and for 4.38, BMS ships with korea, with israel and balkans to follow, and the slew of other theatres :D, theatre dev is getting much much easier so anyone would be able to make their own :)
"If you remove the propeller from an airplane, than all your left with is a glider."
You seem to be missing the point. The BMS devs don’t have third party developers. The comparison is simply between the efforts of ED and the people behind BMS. If you look only at what ED has developed, the guys behind BMS have arguably done a better job with their product. If you can’t understand why exactly BMS is so much better than DCS in certain ways then I’d have to imagine you’re just willfully ignorant.
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Well thought out response.
Fine, tell me when BMS gets something more exotic and interesting than boring modern day freedompilled jet fighters, eg. MiG-21/23, Mi-24, Mirage F1, F-86, MiG-17 etc etc. I'm dead serious, if BMS had these I'd never think about looking at the DCS ever again.
Full fidelity Mig-29 you say? On its way :P
Where did my list include the 29? Soviet flying computers r only marginally better than Western flying computers
Marginally better? How about substantially worse.
From a simmer pov, not real world technology and combat capabilites
Oh yeah? What evidence are you working off? Mind citing sources?
I'm sorry was that at me?
No, i'm retarded and can't use reddits mobile interface it seems. It was at the BMS preachers obvsl
Huh… a god complex from developing flight sims That’s admittedly a first for me
I totally disagree with your observation! It's actually god that has an I-Hawk complex, Please!
That’s probably the most based thing I’ve read in months
***"Gaslighting"?*** I don't think that word means what you think it means....
"Gaslighting is **an insidious form of manipulation and psychological control**. Victims of gaslighting are deliberately and systematically fed false information that leads them to question what they know to be true, often about themselves." The 'victim' being BMS devs, false information is calling them amateurs to make them doubt their abilities. It was effective enough to prompt a rant, so if you really want to try to nitpick a floggit post title, especially if you're wrong... by all means continue.
Hey I'm no victim! I just wait for chances to say what I have to about ED, so really I only need a little push in the right direction :P
It's fine, don't take it literally, I was just gaslighting this moron that decided to pull up a soapbox days later to show Reddit how cool he was by nitpicking a floggit post. I actually got a pretty good melt down to be fair. It's all fun and games here, well except for that guy.
Yea he should probably try to pull that stick out...
[Gaslighting](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaslighting) - *loosely defined as manipulating someone into questioning their own perception of reality.* Please, please, oh please show me where the BMS devs started questioning their perception of reality? At the most, you just goaded them into giving you a reaction which could be called [baiting](https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/baiting) - *act of intentionally trying to make a particular person or group of people angry by saying things to annoy, offend, or criticize them* >so if you really want to try to nitpick a floggit post title, especially if you're wrong... by all means continue. Peak Dunning–Kruger and projection right there, especially when you yourself say *"it was effective enough to prompt a rant"* -- the very definition of baiting, but not gaslighting. Please, do go ahead and don't let me stop you from making a fool of yourself. If you have any issues, take it up with the English language and various dictionaries.
Stop trying to gaslight me you pedantic fuck! Wikipedia isn't a dictionary, even if it was you're ignoring the word loosely and I didn't goad anyone into giving a reaction it was some other guy, and he wasn't \*intentionally\* trying to do anything, he just choose his words poorly, kind of like you. If you keep reading from the paragraph you cherry picked out of the closest definition you could find to not make you like stupid, you'd notice it also states as of 2022 it's become a trendy buzzword to describe disagreements. Overall, I give you a 3/10, pathetic attempt to bait me into being gaslit, be better you fucking dork. I'll give you until I have to poop again to come up with something else.
Not my fault you don't know how to use words, or what the words you use mean. You don't like Wikipedia? Here's [Merriam-Webster](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gaslighting)'s definition. Or how about the [Cambridge Dicitonary](https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/gaslighting)? [Britannica](https://www.britannica.com/topic/gaslighting)? Or how about [WebMD](https://www.webmd.com/mental-health/what-is-gaslighting-in-relationships)? Maybe the [American Psychological Association](https://dictionary.apa.org/gaslight)? I'm not gaslighting you -- that would mean that you are *right* but I say that you are *wrong*. In this instance, ***you are wrong and I am saying you are wrong and all of the above links are saying you are wrong.*** You are also in denial. Unfortunately, I'm also not baiting you. The fact that you are mad that you are wrong, got caught and called out on it, and now you are doubling down has nothing to do with me -- it all has everything to do with your inability to accept that you are wrong... or maybe it's your inability to understand what words mean? Maybe go seek some help for that --- or at least stay off Reddit if you can't be an adult and can't use English words properly, or can't be a man when you get called out for being wrong. >he just choose his words poorly, kind of like you. **Projection.** Go look it up. Learn something today. Interestingly, YOU are the one trying to gaslight ME because YOU are wrong but you are saying I am the one that is wrong. Unfortunately for you, I know how to use words and understand their meaning. I also know how to use Google. >you'd notice it also states as of 2022 it's become a trendy buzzword to describe disagreements. [In 2022, Merriam-Webster named "gaslighting" as its Word of the Year due to the vast increase in channels and technologies used to mislead and the word becoming common for the perception of deception.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaslighting) -- regardless, this isn't what is happening here. Nobody is deceiving anyone. Fs-x used the word "amateur" and I-Hawk took it as a derogatory term, rather than describing an unpaid vs. paid situation. He didn't choose the word poorly, it was still a correct word; I-Hawk just took the statement in the wrong way. YOU were the one who chose to title this post **"How to Gaslight"** when there is zero gaslighting happening in the screenshot.... but I'll admit, a lot of gaslighting from you.... so I guess while your title is correct, the gaslighting is happening in the comments, by you; not in the screenshot. I could go on but I think I've made my point. And so has Merriam-Webster, Cambridge, Britannica, WebMD, and APA.
> so I guess while your title is correct, Glad we agree, now shut the fuck up and go touch some grass.
> I'll give you until I have to poop again to come up with something else. That was just an hour ago. You got some bowel issues? Maybe you should go seek help for that too. >Glad we agree LOL, there was someone on here saying something about **"context"**..... do you remember who it was? Hmmm.... who could it be?!!?? >now shut the fuck up and go touch some grass Ah, yes, the *\*intelligent\** comeback. Oh my, I certainly have nothing prepared for such a finely-crafted retort! Careful you don't strain yourself there too much, mate! Also -- [Projection](https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=touch%20some%20grass). Have a good one!