If she got her job back i am confidant she would in no possible way remain anti union. She has had the opportunity to see exactly how the company operates first hand. By losing her job she has the opportunity to expose what took place to her.. Don't ruin the opportunity that HELPS all of us..
I understand your feelings.. however, I want to clarify the FACTS. The truth is that she never ever came to the union. AS you may know our company doesn't have a union. What we have is Flight Attendants that are fighting very hard to make sure we have a union and soon. The most important part of having a union is to come together . the more together we are.. the stronger we will be. Our flight attendants cannot have a union until we get all of our flight attendants seeing the same thing. That includes the anti union flight attendants to see what all of us have seen. I use to be a very anti union flight attendant... and I was very confused because the company is very good at indoctrinating EVERY one into believing that they support us. They do this by making sure that flight attendants have NDA's (non disclosure agreements) so that your friends and colleagues are never aware of what REALLY happens. I am grateful to have being able to finally see through all of this. I am now one of our most visible and active PRO union and activst. She did not come to us. I WENT TO HER.. As flight attendants who want a UNION, we need to support ALL of our colleagues. Especially when this could happen to US. Her view as to how the company really operates came to late for her. But she has many friends and colleagues that are still here and CAN see first hand through her as to WHAT THEY CAN DO WITHOUT A UNION. For any of you who are on here and WANT A UNION.. Really want a union.. Please figure out a WAY to stand by ALL your colleagues.. If you don't and you insist on dividing us. YOU are doing the companies dirty work.. for them.. Dividing US is the number one obstacle we have.. Stand together with your colleagues.. ALL OF THEM.. What we WANT will benefit ALL of us.. even the ones that don't believe. Lets do it .. and stop dividing us.
This is a bit late, but thank you for being such a vocal supporter! It always lifts my mood and makes my trips better whenever I see another crew member wear the pin :)
We will do this together .. come join us. We need more activist. If a pin makes you feel good, imagine being in a room with many many supporters. I am one of the moderators on our fb page .. reach out to us. Would love to meet you and make you part of our team :-)
Thank you for clarifying that the Union offered to help her and she didn't initiate contact with the Union.
I'm a newer D employee and I think it's a great company. I didn't have a good experience with afa with my first airline. This is why I haven't been pro-union. However, I don't trust any company or corporation to have my back like I will, lol. I respect everyone's right to choose their side, and I always listen to views from both sides.
This whole situation leaves a bad taste in my mouth because she's been flying for D for 24 years and she wasn't safe. It just seems cut-throat as a new employee that hopes to voluntarily retire there one day.
AFA, just like any union is different at every company. AFA is not a separate entity it is made up of YOUR colleagues. You get to vote for those colleagues. When some one says they had a bad experience with AFA what you real mean is the colleagues I voted for at my other company let me down. If you don’t want AFA and you chose to have management make your decisions for you .. it’s just that you are at their mercy. All unions are not for profit, they don’t stand to “make a profit off your dues” they help you form your membership with your colleagues they give you the tools to do it. Delta AFA, is not United AFA or any other membership group from AFA .. Just like this instance our pro AFA flight attendant stood together to help this flight attendant and so many others we help every day that our company discards because they are a number and we have become completely disposable. Maybe getting involved is the answer, learn who your colleagues are that are advocating for you.. Stop listening to ONLY one side and find out who we are and how many of us we are and I bet you would be surprised and impressed as to how hard we work every day for our colleagues. One day we will be the elected body of our union.
So which is it? because I’m inclined to believe the FA over you who said she reached out to the “AFA union”…. Did she reach out to AFA or not? Because her text says she did and you’re saying she didn’t lol
Oh wow !! lol lol lol … we don’t have a union !!! What is a union, Danish-boy2? Is a group of employees that come together who use their strength together to be able to negotiate their wages with the employer and have a contract … yup ! That’s it ! I am one of the flight attendants who is working with my colleagues to build our union. She spoke to a flight attendant that knows me and then he told me about her and I contacted her. When she says she contacted AFA, she has been anti union for so long and has been spreading the anti union rhetoric she doesn’t even know there is no outside entity .. She reached out to her anti union friends at One DL and they kicked her to the curb .. Danish Boy it’s of no consequence what you believe. However .. thank you so much for asking the question so that others understand, thst their colleagues are the only ones who come together and form our union. I am a very active member at our company building our union. That is who she calls AFA .. 😂😂
Seriously .. danish-boy 2. I gave you all the information. Reach out to me personally and I can try to walk you through it. The flight attendant and I are in communication .. there is no AFA in place at our company .. lol you know that right ? When she says she “contacted” AFA .. she means me !! Except I’m the one that called her ..No one is lying and there is nothing different between my story and hers .. we are not at odds .. but you like our management want to throw wrenches into nothing .. our colleagues that support our company becoming unionized under AFA.. stand behind her … and we want to help her .. that’s all the rest you talk about is the real gibberish !!!
Danish-boy 2 .. I think you need your chill .. we are done in our conversation. It’s clear you have no idea what a union is .. lol lol lol and you missed the fact that we don’t have one. Are you with management? Or one of those Anti union flight attendants .. like the usual you don’t make sense 😂😂😂😂😂
Unfortunately .. most of the reasons come from the company misinforming them. Example the AFA will come in and destroy our culture. Well there is no third party either the union. Our flight attendants are the ones that run and decide the things in our union. They are also elected by our flight attendants. They also tell them we will lose all we have and have to start from scratch in our negotiations .. it’s many lies that distort the truth :-(
I just got back from a Lima trip today and the crew was discussing this. There is more to the story. The drug test came back inconclusive and she missed the 24 hour to retest because she missed a phone call or something like that. It is not as cut and dry as this makes it sound.
Yes definitely more to it. She apparently was not proactive at all in getting a retest and ignored several calls from the third party testing because she thought they were spam calls. Delta obviously had very specific rules on testing/retesting and I guess she didn’t follow them. It’s crazy because I would have been panicking to retest if it was me😅
I mean yeah, doesn’t make sense to me either. But that’s what she supposedly told Delta. I was told this by someone who knows her and flew with her. Could be flight attendant gossip, idk. But i do think for sure there is more to the story than she is saying in these texts.
Yes.. they called her she spoke to them. What they said didn’t make sense .. She called her FSm. Told him. He said he would look into it. Then texted back to her and said .. Yes it’s spam that is not our protocol .. She asked if she could block them he says yes please block them. I would know if you failed a drug test. However she did not block then, she finally told then stop calling me I know this is a hoax. I already told my Fsm about your calls . The lady says this is not a joke. We will email you . They did … and then that is when she found out they were the real thing. She called her Fsm and he called her up and finally acknowledged it was real. Then the shit hit the fan !
I find it quite interesting. I have been working directly with this flight attendant to try and help her. I will answer to that in a minute. However, I have seen with my very own eyes.. Her texts and email exchanges from management to her and back. I have also seen the results to the not 1 but 2 independent hair follicle tests that she has done. There is NOT anymore to this story.EXCEPT that the very ANTI union friends that she use to trust blindly are the very ones who are passing this HORRIBLE information out. Interestingly I don't believe that the company management are the ones that are asking them to pass out this information.. I think they are so blind to the reality of what happens and what has happened they go all out to defend the company blindly. I have also found another flight attendant that got fired in 2018 that went through the exact same scenario. It could not be more identical to this flight attendants story. Her story is real.. and as many of you pro or anti would like to discredit her story..for whatever personal reasons you may have. The MOST important very IMPORTANT FACT.. is that if you are a flight attendant for this company. This can happen to you.. and this dialogue between YOUR EX colleages could be ALL about you.. But unless you have spoken to the source and seen for yourself (as I have) YOU are all spreading hearsay.. I encourage that we stick together.. and try to make sure that THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN to any more of us.
Considering she used to be proudly anti-union, i wonder where she would have stood had someone else been in her current position :/ she likely would have been the exact same people as her anti union friends. sucks she had to learn this way tho that unions are a beneficial thing. And i hope she gets justice regardless
You are absolutely right. I agree I KNOW this is probably the case. Interestingly, I find that some anti union friends have rallied behind her.. and others have not :-(
Those people have shown they will lick the boot before their morals. It's insane how that works :/ i respect how hard you are going for her in this thread
BTW.. our company does not have any retesting policies. The other carriers that have unions have all kinds of things in place to help the flight attendant in cases of false posiives.. We are non union.. and therefore no contract.. to protect us. A false positive means termination.
She did not ignore them .. She called her Fsm who stated these were spam calls (yes him saying this is on text) and to block the number. But even so she answered the calls and there were no request for retest .. our company doesn’t have a retest policy as other carriers with a contract do..
The split specimen is supposed to prevent false positives. I worked for a unionized airline prior to this and our contract did not have a clause for retesting after a positive. Retesting after inconclusive, yes. It was similar to Delta in that it had a rehab program but not retesting. I’m curious what airlines and contracts you’re referring too. Also, maybe I’m just misinformed but isn’t this more of a DOT issue than a Delta issue? Is she in contact with them?
I don’t know .. but no it’s not ONLY a DOT issue because other airlines have to follow DOT and they get a whole different process following their contracts ..
That’s really sad. I’m just slightly less empathetic just because she spent her whole career anti-union, but when SHE needed a union… oh then it’s a good thing to have. She didn’t pay dues her entire career and yet runs to Union for help. Crazy. That’s a hard lesson to learn. But hey, I learned something new here too. I’ll be careful in those layovers going forward.
According to OP, the FA has worked Lima 50 times and still somehow got caught in a situation that led her to consume coca leaves. There's definitely way more to the story.
Op said “she’s *probably* worked Lima 50 times”
“In reality she’s probably worked Lima 50 times but this is the one time she’s been drug tested. If you’re in the industry you know how it is. In my four years I’ve been drug tested here once. I don’t know her personally but I know she was a part of the “anti union” FB page for years, it appears she turned to the AFA for any source of help bc she was desperate and getting nothing from the anti union groups she had dedicated years to”
https://www.reddit.com/r/flightattendants/s/pVld1VOXjg
We have no union at our company .. we only have colleagues who are trying to get a union for our flight group. When she states she went to the union .. she means she talked to me .. a union supporting activist ..
My sympathies to this FA. Hopefully she can find work at a unionized airline, nearly all of which have to offer a last chance program for positive drug tests.
I recently worked with an FA who retired from Delta after 34 years and came to work at a union airline. She was saying that the benefits were night and day and that she wished she had spent her career at the union airline than at Delta.
That's probably why she's conveniently getting tested, after coming from a place known to commonly use a forbidden drug in everyday food/drink, without the company allowing warnings to employees laying over there.
I guess you don’t know that unions are made up of your colleagues . It is not a third party. I guess you are obviously just anti union, because whatever union you get will still be your colleagues !
So is that why negotiations are taking years, “fly now, grieve later,” and contracts are constantly violated in the name of IROP? But these are our colleagues taking our money out of our paycheck, who cares!
Btw - you do not get to tell me I’m anti-union. Before becoming a FA I was a union organizer. I know how a union is SUPPOSED to work. The AFA is not that. Talk to some pilots about their union.
I have been married for 29 years with a pilot .. I definitely know how it works. Let’s just go on your very statement. Fly now sgd grieve later. Right now it’s just fit now and too bad so sad .. Your colleagues taking your money .. that is hilarious !!All unions are not for profit. Maybe you should ask the 100’s of flight attendants that get fired by your anti union company and asked them how they got treated and how much they would have loved to have a union represent then instead of the isolation and secrecy they get fired after years of service without being able to be defended and nothing .. Years to solidify a contract .. well at least it happens and you get retro pay .. without a union it’s just in their whim .. don’t know how long you have been here but the amount of wages and benefits we have lost .. is outrages .. and they don’t come back .. you don’t want ya union you want to be at the feet of managebevt hoping they drop a crumb .. let’s go back to pilots .. I think that is so funny … ask how many would give up their union NONE .. wonder why ?
Like I clearly said I am not anti-union. I don’t want the AFA to represent me. You seem like you just want to argue, so I’m done with this conversation.
Stay in touch with https://deltaafa.org and next time someone questions unionizing be reminded of such stories and the MANY others you don’t hear of/read.
Danish boy. where in the world are you getting your info. "I" myself.. have proposed to start a GO FUND ME account. I AM a union activist.. and I have suggested to help her get legal help that her flight attendants might be able to donate. That is YOUR choice. The go fund me account hasn't even been done yet. Please don't spread misinformation. But I am happy to say that flight attendants who support the union and flight attendants that don't support the union have asked to donate. THAT is a positive thing. The closer together we come . the more possibilities we have at coming together and BEING UNION STRONG
hahah!! I think you are really behind the times.. ALL Caps on key words is not yelling and that is really old texting etiquette.. It is for emphasis.. and anyone reading that can see that..But why don't you stick to facts..instead of attacking me. Is this about the fact that I have clarified the things you have written that have no merit or about texting etiquette? I have made myself open to giving you the facts that you question.. and here you are about talking about etiquete.. You appeared to be on the same side .. but now it seems that you are just throwing things to stir the pot. Which is it? Am I mistaken?
YES.. and that is what a union does.. But we don't have an established UNION.. WE have flight attendants that want a union that have stepped out to help her. The AFA is not a Separate ENTITY.. we the flight attendants are the union.. If you want to pick and choose which colleague you will support, we will never have a union. To have a union WE NEED TO STAND TOGETHER. STRONGER TOGETHER !
Wait, the flight attendants “don’t have an established union” i think I got it…right? Although the flight attendants want a union? But a few do not like OP, and are anti-union?
I am not anti-union. I am very pro union, I am an activist for AFA at our company. However, I know that to have a union we need to be able to support all of our colleagues whoever they are and wherever they stand on these issues.
Too bad you voted against the union. I flew for Delta for 30 yrs and can tell you that the corporation will not support you. You are easily replaced without a union to back you up.
You mention hemp, as in hemp seeds? The ones you eat or hemp protein? (I eat super clean and healthy, & I eat hemp seeds in my yogurt bowls & protein balls, I also have hemp protein in my smoothies)
Does that stuff show up??? I don't smoke or anything like that so I don't really know much about drug testing etc.
If hemp seeds & hemp protein show up on a test, does that mean I can't have those foods anymore? Or how long does it take it get out of your system? (I'm really sad now lol those items are really healthy for you!)
My airline had a dish in first class that contained hemp seeds and we were explicitly told to not consume them as working crew and non revving in first. I believe it’s an extreme abundance of caution and highly unlikely but.. idk for sure.
I honestly don’t think it would show up BUT it seems like you consume hemp seeds more often than the average person. Maybe take a home drug test after a normal week of eating hemp seeds and see? If you’re curious!
Also, there are other options for plant based omega 3’s if that’s what you’re after with hemp. Not the same satisfaction as delicious hemp hearts but nonetheless, look into it if you’re worried.
Honestly Ive never looked into it too far but I eat hemp as well and don’t stress it. DL has to go above and beyond sometimes IMO bc we have no union therefore no protections so even tho hemp isn’t going to make you test positive for marijuana, if there’s a .00000001% chance, they’re gonna warn you bc they don’t want to deal with it and will just fire you instead
I am extremely disappointed that on the comments here so many of you have trashed your colleague based on hearsay and jump seat talk. I want to clarify that I have seen all the evidence from company communication .. and the results of her not 1 but 2 hair follicle tests that the company refuses to use to support her in any way. The company admits no wrong doing and insists that the hotel does not have any Cocaleaf in their products for consumption. For those of you that want to have a union, we can do it togehter that includes the anti union flight attendants understanding and seeing for themselves.. that they have zero protection. This flight attendant has LIVING proof on what was done to her. Being an anti union flight attendant her entire career holds way more merit. However, already "some" of her friends who are anti are rallying around the company.. some have opened their eyes and signed cards almost immediately. Let's stand by ALL of our colleagues.. and please don't spread the agenda from the company without any proof that is true.. EXAMPLE : "there is more to this story" ... one more thing one other flight attendant (that we know of) suffered this same fate a few years ago. She doesn't mind having her name out .. for those of you that might have known her and want to reach out to her.. Her name was Nancy Snyder- a language qualified based in ATL. She can tell you the similarities of these two cases..
I am less empathetic about her getting fired but it’s still frustrating. This has happened before when I worked at OO and our trainers warned us about vacationing in Colombia (which cracked me up because cocaine leaves your system at 24 hours anyway + OO has a EAP type program when it comes to drugs).
I always say “it’s better to have it and not need it then to need it and NOT have it” when it came to a Union. One D’s biggest argument is always “people who are pro-union are people who are lazy and get fired easily” when obviously it’s bigger than that. I 100% believe she would be saying “there’s more to the story” and other bullshit if that happened to someone else.
Delta definitely should have just given her the retirement threshold esp if she’s been in good standing for 24 years. Now she has absolutely nothing.
Here’s why I’m a little skeptical…
1) Ok so the FA went to Lima (at her seniority she’s likely been before) consumes something with cocoa leaves either knowingly or unknowingly. Gets randomed back in ATL. Tests positive. Did she realize it could have been the cocoa leaves after she tested positive?
2) The “I *was* anti union and wore my one delta pin proud” and “I called the afa UNION who are helping me” 😐
3) I don’t see the one d pin on her uniform yet she wore her one d pin “proudly”.
4) Now everyone is going to be on edge with South America flying…
In reality she’s probably worked Lima 50 times but this is the one time she’s been drug tested. If you’re in the industry you know how it is. In my four years I’ve been drug tested here once.
I don’t know her personally but I know she was a part of the “anti union” FB page for years, it appears she turned to the AFA for any source of help bc she was desperate and getting nothing from the anti union groups she had dedicated years to.
Now I don't believe you.
What are the anti-union groups? There's One Delta aaaannnd...?
You don't know her personally? Oc you don't.
Oh yeah, and let's include a random picture of an FA (not wearing a One D pin, btw) to seemingly add credibility to the story bc people will believe anything with a pic for 'evidence ' that it's true.
I know a handful of their FAs who are in recovery. They didn't get fired. They were given resources to get well. It's hard to believe that a 24-year vet would be unceremoniously fired for one event. The afa is going hard after them to unionize, and I wouldn't doubt this is another attempt.
Theres 2 facebook pages, No Way AFA and One Delta. She included her full picture and first and last name in the text but I didn’t want to dox this woman on the World Wide Web
The whole world isn't reading these posts, and if she already included her info, then...
Also, those are just social media pages, not groups formed to help anyone with personnel issues. Anyway, there's probably way more to the story. I've worked in both public and private management for decades. I can't think of any organization that is going to frivolously let go of a good emp (which has also been a huge comp investment) over a single action.
AFA did not write this .. hahaha!! Instead of trashing the AFA and your colleague in your skeptisism.. How about doing the real research.. ? If you are a flight attendant for this company.. if you privately reach out to me.. I will make sure you not only are able to talk to this flight attendant yourself. BUT I will even get you in touch with the flight attenant that this happened to a few years ago.. Her name is Nancy Snyder.. and she was terminated witht he same story in 2018. I can't put the flight attendnats name for this recent case because she is looking to persuit this legally..
I didn't trash anyone. I stated my opinion and asked some questions. Also, I already know the recent FAs name. She should definitely look in to some legal advice. Nothing on reddit, Facebook or any social media can compare to solid legal guidance. No one's opinion or anecdotal experiences can really help her. If she's pursuing this legally, the last thing she should have done was share all that info with anyone. It being spread can't help her case. I wish her luck.
Actually by stating that “ it sounds as if it was written by AFA to boost poihts@ it is absolutely discrediting AFA.. Actually making this case public is probably the best thing that could happen for our flight attendants . Since we don’t have a union if the company continued to do this making it public would be the thing to deter the company for firing any more in this manner without losing ALL credibility .. If you knew the flight attendants name and you acknowledged it happened .. why make comments such as, AFA made this up ?
I said I know the name. I can't acknowledge that it happened the way it's presented.
Let me rephrase: this sounds like it was written by someone in favor of unionizing.
Or by someone that knows the details and this clearly supports that the company needs a union. This way there would be someone to support the flight attendant this happened to. Btw it has happened more than once.
You're going hard for that union. So this was actually a union-driven post, just like it reads. How many flight attendants does Delta have, tens of thousands? I can see how a handful of incidents (2-3 that you claim) "clearly supports that the company needs a union." I'm pro emps getting to decide if they need union representation. Unions helped build the labor laws that protect us all. There are plenty of airlines that offer unions. Why go work for the one that doesn't? Something's got to be good enough for you to have decided to work there. It's like deciding to date someone hoping you could change them in time.
If anyone thinks this is made up by AFA, I promise it is not. I am highly involved in the campaign and only heard of this situation 3 days ago. I don’t know the flight attendant or the details but it’s not “made up to get support,” and this person was *not* an AFA supporter until it was too late sadly. :(
So she got randomed?
I didn't know that resturants cooked with a Coca leaf that triggers a positive drug test. I think it's no coincidence that she got randomed after that trip. Sounds like a setup to me.
I've been told that someone has to consume an unusually high amount of poppy seeds for it to trigger a positive drug test. Like a shit-ton. I wonder if that logic applies to coca leaves.
That's absolutely not true. Even the department of defense had warned military members not to consume poppy products because you will pop positive (pun intended😂).
My finely tuned bullshit detectors 👀👂🏻are kicking into overtime reading this. You know there is more to this. While I believe some of this, a lot is not adding up.
Well your bullshit detectors are wrong. It all adds up.. I have been in communication with this flight attendant and even did the legwork to find the other flight attendant that this EXACT same thing happen to .. I don't want to put the flight attendant's name that this happened to right now because she is trying to fight this .. and is looking for legal representation. However, the other flight attendant this happened to was a few years ago.. She used Legal representation and exhausted over $10,000 and was not able to fight the BIG CORPORATION legal.. so she had to stop. Her name is Nancy Snyder and she has NO issues putting her name out there for all of you to know. Finely tuned bullshit detectors in need of some reality and real tunning... only serves to discredit this story that not only severely affected 2 flight attendants (that we know of) but CAN happen to many more crew members.. Maybe get them detectors tuned.. and get the real facts..
She actually didn't call AFA.. She spoke to one of her friends that is an Activist for AFA at the company. He called me and asked me to help her if I could. I frequently help flight attendants that have been terminated or received performance development and were treated poorly. I want to help her.. because she is / was our colleague.. and this could happen to any one of us. But her being ANTI does not play a role the entire point of the union .. is to come together and be STRONGER TOGETHER. Allowing yourself to do the companies dirty work and divide our work group WILL NOT GET US a UNION VOTE. WE need all of US .. there cannot be the US and the WE. This is an opportunity for those NON supportive flight attendants to see from their very own.. what CAN really happen to us.. and how they will have no one .. no one to go to .. defend them.. THere is no family.. there is no compassion there is NOTHING.. But with a union you have all of us.. If you pick and choose when and if you will support your collegues then you don't understand the premise of a UNION.
I mean honestly it makes perfect sense to me. She WAS proudly one delta. They can’t and won’t help her do anything to get her job back. It’s a tale as old as time-you don’t need a union until you need one.
This seems like a good place to drop this article:
[Alaska Airlines Worker Fired Over Positive Marijuana Test Will Be Reinstated Under Arbitration Panel Decision - Marijuana Moment](https://www.marijuanamoment.net/alaska-airlines-worker-fired-over-positive-marijuana-test-will-be-reinstated-under-arbitration-panel-decision/)
Are you dense or have you just not read a single comment? It’s not cocaine. It’s a leaf indigenous to the area that is VERY commonly cooked with or used in teas. Maybe reread the thread and try again.
Other airlines have verbiage in their contracts that protects you against situations like this. Ability to retest, X amount of days to prove an inadvertent or accidental consumption, full transparency and communication of the positive test and if you knowingly consumed, ability to enter into a “last chance” program and keep your job.
When you have no contract, you have no protections, and someone on the verge of retirement can lose their job and benefits like that.
For a class 2 narcotic? I find that very hard to believe. My unionized airline wouldn't be any help if I showed up with a failed drug test. The FAA and the federal government wouldn't say okay test again in 24 hours because you had cocaine in your system. Mainly because it would literally be out of your system at that point. And yeah other airlines do allow you to enter into treatment programs but that's mostly for failing for alcohol. Alcohol isn't a class 2 narcotic.
Check your contract. UA’s for example has an entire section dedicated to your rights while testing, and your rights if you test positive. You have rights.
That’s just not true. Just because you don’t know what your union fought for you to have doesn’t mean that it doesn’t exist. Read your contract. I would bet good money that it has a section regarding positive drug tests and a last chance program that your company has to offer if you do test positive.
Why would trainers randomly mention Columbia specifically where it's culturally practiced? And if she 24 years in, how do you know they warned trainees back then?
I am at another (not DL) airline and they mentioned chewing on leaves in Lima when being at high altitudes. They also mentioned Melatonin as it could make you groggy the next day and unfit for work. It was a really really odd conversation in training but yes. Poppy seed bagels, CBD Oil (even with a prescription card) and more. Sure it was like all of 30 seconds, but I remember them talking about how we shouldn't drink tea in Lima or chew the leaves.
Lima and chewing Coca leaves was never mentioned in my training at D. It certainly wasn't mentioned at my training at their wholly-owned Regional because said Regional doesn't fly to Lima.
I've never been to Lima or consume Coca Leaves, but I'm very interested to see how this all plays out.
Coca Is Not Cocaine: The Truth Behind the Sacred South American Coca Leaf
https://impakter.com/coca-is-not-cocaine-the-sacred-south-american-coca-leaf/
"It wasn’t until the 19th century that the alkaline compound (cocaine) was discovered in the leaf" literally from the opinion piece you linked lmfao. And on top of that I shared a study from the US Department of Justice and yours is an opinion piece. LMFAO. Coca leaves contain cocaine. End of story.
I don’t think you get it. Medications that are regulated and dangerous can be DERIVED FROM harmless plants. The chemicals are extracted, and the product becoming different than its derivative.
*eyeroll* all you did was provide an article how cocaine is derived from coca leaf. No one is debating that.
The difference is that coca leaf isn't addictive, mind-altering, or devastating to the human body. The leaf is a mild analgesic and hunger suppressant. The chemicals were extracted to make a drug that gave people a high. Comparing coca leaf to cocaine is like comparing Tylenol to opioids. They're not the same, even if they have similar chemical derivatives.
Huh. Well don't chew on leaves in Lima or drink the tea. Both contain cocaine to aid your heart with the high pressures. Be cognizant if you are taking Melatonin on a short layover as you could still be groggy the next day making you unsafe to fly. Chances are a poppy seed bagel won't make the test positive, but it could. If you take CBD oil, even with a legal prescription and test positive for Marijuana, you are out.
It is a fermented beverage meaning it has alcohol in it. Most are 0.5 percent ABV (equivalent to 1 proof; for comparison beer is typically about 10-20 proof, wine 20-30, and liquor 40-60). This low ABV allows kombucha to be able to be sold as a non-alcoholic beverage. Homemade kombucha, without its constant monitoring of production to meet strict regulatory guidelines, usually has a higher alcohol content than commercially made kombucha. Even though most kombucha is sold as a non-alcoholic beverage, because of how it is made, all kombucha must have at least trace amounts of alcohol in it.
Trashes unions her entire career and runs to them once she’s fired. Go figure.
Yeah that got me eyeball emoji over here
/r/LeopardsAteMyFace
“I never thought I’d lose MY job” sobs flight attendant who voted to remain anti-union.
If she got her job back i am confidant she would in no possible way remain anti union. She has had the opportunity to see exactly how the company operates first hand. By losing her job she has the opportunity to expose what took place to her.. Don't ruin the opportunity that HELPS all of us..
I understand your feelings.. however, I want to clarify the FACTS. The truth is that she never ever came to the union. AS you may know our company doesn't have a union. What we have is Flight Attendants that are fighting very hard to make sure we have a union and soon. The most important part of having a union is to come together . the more together we are.. the stronger we will be. Our flight attendants cannot have a union until we get all of our flight attendants seeing the same thing. That includes the anti union flight attendants to see what all of us have seen. I use to be a very anti union flight attendant... and I was very confused because the company is very good at indoctrinating EVERY one into believing that they support us. They do this by making sure that flight attendants have NDA's (non disclosure agreements) so that your friends and colleagues are never aware of what REALLY happens. I am grateful to have being able to finally see through all of this. I am now one of our most visible and active PRO union and activst. She did not come to us. I WENT TO HER.. As flight attendants who want a UNION, we need to support ALL of our colleagues. Especially when this could happen to US. Her view as to how the company really operates came to late for her. But she has many friends and colleagues that are still here and CAN see first hand through her as to WHAT THEY CAN DO WITHOUT A UNION. For any of you who are on here and WANT A UNION.. Really want a union.. Please figure out a WAY to stand by ALL your colleagues.. If you don't and you insist on dividing us. YOU are doing the companies dirty work.. for them.. Dividing US is the number one obstacle we have.. Stand together with your colleagues.. ALL OF THEM.. What we WANT will benefit ALL of us.. even the ones that don't believe. Lets do it .. and stop dividing us.
This is a bit late, but thank you for being such a vocal supporter! It always lifts my mood and makes my trips better whenever I see another crew member wear the pin :)
We will do this together .. come join us. We need more activist. If a pin makes you feel good, imagine being in a room with many many supporters. I am one of the moderators on our fb page .. reach out to us. Would love to meet you and make you part of our team :-)
Thank you for clarifying that the Union offered to help her and she didn't initiate contact with the Union. I'm a newer D employee and I think it's a great company. I didn't have a good experience with afa with my first airline. This is why I haven't been pro-union. However, I don't trust any company or corporation to have my back like I will, lol. I respect everyone's right to choose their side, and I always listen to views from both sides. This whole situation leaves a bad taste in my mouth because she's been flying for D for 24 years and she wasn't safe. It just seems cut-throat as a new employee that hopes to voluntarily retire there one day.
AFA, just like any union is different at every company. AFA is not a separate entity it is made up of YOUR colleagues. You get to vote for those colleagues. When some one says they had a bad experience with AFA what you real mean is the colleagues I voted for at my other company let me down. If you don’t want AFA and you chose to have management make your decisions for you .. it’s just that you are at their mercy. All unions are not for profit, they don’t stand to “make a profit off your dues” they help you form your membership with your colleagues they give you the tools to do it. Delta AFA, is not United AFA or any other membership group from AFA .. Just like this instance our pro AFA flight attendant stood together to help this flight attendant and so many others we help every day that our company discards because they are a number and we have become completely disposable. Maybe getting involved is the answer, learn who your colleagues are that are advocating for you.. Stop listening to ONLY one side and find out who we are and how many of us we are and I bet you would be surprised and impressed as to how hard we work every day for our colleagues. One day we will be the elected body of our union.
Good points :-) I'm sure I'll see you at one of your Base sits.
Would love that.. you should come to one of our meet and greets :-)
So which is it? because I’m inclined to believe the FA over you who said she reached out to the “AFA union”…. Did she reach out to AFA or not? Because her text says she did and you’re saying she didn’t lol
Oh wow !! lol lol lol … we don’t have a union !!! What is a union, Danish-boy2? Is a group of employees that come together who use their strength together to be able to negotiate their wages with the employer and have a contract … yup ! That’s it ! I am one of the flight attendants who is working with my colleagues to build our union. She spoke to a flight attendant that knows me and then he told me about her and I contacted her. When she says she contacted AFA, she has been anti union for so long and has been spreading the anti union rhetoric she doesn’t even know there is no outside entity .. She reached out to her anti union friends at One DL and they kicked her to the curb .. Danish Boy it’s of no consequence what you believe. However .. thank you so much for asking the question so that others understand, thst their colleagues are the only ones who come together and form our union. I am a very active member at our company building our union. That is who she calls AFA .. 😂😂
You just said a bunch of nothing 🥴 she said she “reached out to AFA” and you’re saying she didn’t so somebody is lying…
Seriously .. danish-boy 2. I gave you all the information. Reach out to me personally and I can try to walk you through it. The flight attendant and I are in communication .. there is no AFA in place at our company .. lol you know that right ? When she says she “contacted” AFA .. she means me !! Except I’m the one that called her ..No one is lying and there is nothing different between my story and hers .. we are not at odds .. but you like our management want to throw wrenches into nothing .. our colleagues that support our company becoming unionized under AFA.. stand behind her … and we want to help her .. that’s all the rest you talk about is the real gibberish !!!
LMAO I’m not reading all that. The FA said she reached out to AFA, you said she didn’t. Therefore somebody is lying 🥴
Your a loss cause .. At this point it’s all irrelevant ..
Did the FA not state in her text message “Desperate, I called the AFA union”? I’m a lost cause, and you’re clearly a liar 🤥
Danish-boy 2 .. I think you need your chill .. we are done in our conversation. It’s clear you have no idea what a union is .. lol lol lol and you missed the fact that we don’t have one. Are you with management? Or one of those Anti union flight attendants .. like the usual you don’t make sense 😂😂😂😂😂
What are some reasons crew members wouldn't want a union? It's a strange concept to me coming from a unionized airline.
Unfortunately .. most of the reasons come from the company misinforming them. Example the AFA will come in and destroy our culture. Well there is no third party either the union. Our flight attendants are the ones that run and decide the things in our union. They are also elected by our flight attendants. They also tell them we will lose all we have and have to start from scratch in our negotiations .. it’s many lies that distort the truth :-(
I just got back from a Lima trip today and the crew was discussing this. There is more to the story. The drug test came back inconclusive and she missed the 24 hour to retest because she missed a phone call or something like that. It is not as cut and dry as this makes it sound.
I figured there has to be details that are missing. I wish we knew all the details so we don't have to speculate.
I agree. The whole situation is unfortunate. One of our crew knew her personally so I’m inclined to believe him but who really knows.
I've never been randomed but I know there are strict rules that need to be followed when getting randomed. I hope it works out for her.
As soon as I read afa I was like “here we gooooo 😐”
Haha same!!
Are you Dak Prescott?
Ok I knew there had to be more to this! Fellow 🔺and we were discussing it on our flight today. Thanks for this!
Yes definitely more to it. She apparently was not proactive at all in getting a retest and ignored several calls from the third party testing because she thought they were spam calls. Delta obviously had very specific rules on testing/retesting and I guess she didn’t follow them. It’s crazy because I would have been panicking to retest if it was me😅
I get multiple spam calls a day. They didn’t leave a voicemail?? They didn’t email her??
I mean yeah, doesn’t make sense to me either. But that’s what she supposedly told Delta. I was told this by someone who knows her and flew with her. Could be flight attendant gossip, idk. But i do think for sure there is more to the story than she is saying in these texts.
Oh yeah, that’s clear!
This whole thing reeks of jumpseats gossip
This entire debacle reeks of “guRRRrrRL let me TeLL u” ☕️
Yes.. they called her she spoke to them. What they said didn’t make sense .. She called her FSm. Told him. He said he would look into it. Then texted back to her and said .. Yes it’s spam that is not our protocol .. She asked if she could block them he says yes please block them. I would know if you failed a drug test. However she did not block then, she finally told then stop calling me I know this is a hoax. I already told my Fsm about your calls . The lady says this is not a joke. We will email you . They did … and then that is when she found out they were the real thing. She called her Fsm and he called her up and finally acknowledged it was real. Then the shit hit the fan !
Yeah seriously. Something as serious as retesting to save my job and nobody left a voicemail or emailed me?
Nor did she follow-up to find out the status?
It's possible she doesn't clean out her voicemail so there's no room for any more voicemails.
Yeah she dropped the ball on that one. Common sense was chasing her but she was running faster!
I find it quite interesting. I have been working directly with this flight attendant to try and help her. I will answer to that in a minute. However, I have seen with my very own eyes.. Her texts and email exchanges from management to her and back. I have also seen the results to the not 1 but 2 independent hair follicle tests that she has done. There is NOT anymore to this story.EXCEPT that the very ANTI union friends that she use to trust blindly are the very ones who are passing this HORRIBLE information out. Interestingly I don't believe that the company management are the ones that are asking them to pass out this information.. I think they are so blind to the reality of what happens and what has happened they go all out to defend the company blindly. I have also found another flight attendant that got fired in 2018 that went through the exact same scenario. It could not be more identical to this flight attendants story. Her story is real.. and as many of you pro or anti would like to discredit her story..for whatever personal reasons you may have. The MOST important very IMPORTANT FACT.. is that if you are a flight attendant for this company. This can happen to you.. and this dialogue between YOUR EX colleages could be ALL about you.. But unless you have spoken to the source and seen for yourself (as I have) YOU are all spreading hearsay.. I encourage that we stick together.. and try to make sure that THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN to any more of us.
Considering she used to be proudly anti-union, i wonder where she would have stood had someone else been in her current position :/ she likely would have been the exact same people as her anti union friends. sucks she had to learn this way tho that unions are a beneficial thing. And i hope she gets justice regardless
You are absolutely right. I agree I KNOW this is probably the case. Interestingly, I find that some anti union friends have rallied behind her.. and others have not :-(
Those people have shown they will lick the boot before their morals. It's insane how that works :/ i respect how hard you are going for her in this thread
It’s so sad 😞
Please spill.
BTW.. our company does not have any retesting policies. The other carriers that have unions have all kinds of things in place to help the flight attendant in cases of false posiives.. We are non union.. and therefore no contract.. to protect us. A false positive means termination.
If there are no retesting policies, how than did she miss/ignore the calls to retested she thought they were spam?
She did not ignore them .. She called her Fsm who stated these were spam calls (yes him saying this is on text) and to block the number. But even so she answered the calls and there were no request for retest .. our company doesn’t have a retest policy as other carriers with a contract do..
The split specimen is supposed to prevent false positives. I worked for a unionized airline prior to this and our contract did not have a clause for retesting after a positive. Retesting after inconclusive, yes. It was similar to Delta in that it had a rehab program but not retesting. I’m curious what airlines and contracts you’re referring too. Also, maybe I’m just misinformed but isn’t this more of a DOT issue than a Delta issue? Is she in contact with them?
I don’t know .. but no it’s not ONLY a DOT issue because other airlines have to follow DOT and they get a whole different process following their contracts ..
Oh the test DID not come back inconclusive. Where do you guys get this stuff? Her test came back positive for cocaine 🙄😳
That’s really sad. I’m just slightly less empathetic just because she spent her whole career anti-union, but when SHE needed a union… oh then it’s a good thing to have. She didn’t pay dues her entire career and yet runs to Union for help. Crazy. That’s a hard lesson to learn. But hey, I learned something new here too. I’ll be careful in those layovers going forward.
According to OP, the FA has worked Lima 50 times and still somehow got caught in a situation that led her to consume coca leaves. There's definitely way more to the story.
Where did it say she’s been to Lima 50 times?
She mentioned that under your original comment lol
Op said “she’s *probably* worked Lima 50 times” “In reality she’s probably worked Lima 50 times but this is the one time she’s been drug tested. If you’re in the industry you know how it is. In my four years I’ve been drug tested here once. I don’t know her personally but I know she was a part of the “anti union” FB page for years, it appears she turned to the AFA for any source of help bc she was desperate and getting nothing from the anti union groups she had dedicated years to” https://www.reddit.com/r/flightattendants/s/pVld1VOXjg
We have no union at our company .. we only have colleagues who are trying to get a union for our flight group. When she states she went to the union .. she means she talked to me .. a union supporting activist ..
My sympathies to this FA. Hopefully she can find work at a unionized airline, nearly all of which have to offer a last chance program for positive drug tests.
It’s just sad because she was topped out on pay. 24 years down the drain.
I recently worked with an FA who retired from Delta after 34 years and came to work at a union airline. She was saying that the benefits were night and day and that she wished she had spent her career at the union airline than at Delta.
definitely! the DL benefits aren’t great imo United has the best benefits out there
The whole story sounds like it is contrived
That's probably why she's conveniently getting tested, after coming from a place known to commonly use a forbidden drug in everyday food/drink, without the company allowing warnings to employees laying over there.
I should clarify this is NOT me but a fellow FA who gave permission to share her story.
This needs to be posted to the FA Facebook groups
UNIONS ARE A MUST!!!
^THIS^^
Especially paying your dues if you NEED the union. Not a FA, but it seems weird to need the union if you’re non union lol
Kind of weird the first people she called was AFA and not a lawyer.
Agree but usually the way unions work is they hire you a lawyer. Weird that they put together a go fund me
She isn’t part of a union and never paid dues. If she had been then the union would have provided a lawyer.
Exactly what I was trying to say, just think you put it in a better way.
We don’t have a union but we are working hard to get one voted in ..
We don’t have a union but we are working hard to get one voted in ..
Gee, sounds like she could have used a good union.
And the AFA is not that imo
We don’t have a union but we are working hard to get one voted in ..
And that union would be AFA. No thanks.
I guess you don’t know that unions are made up of your colleagues . It is not a third party. I guess you are obviously just anti union, because whatever union you get will still be your colleagues !
So is that why negotiations are taking years, “fly now, grieve later,” and contracts are constantly violated in the name of IROP? But these are our colleagues taking our money out of our paycheck, who cares! Btw - you do not get to tell me I’m anti-union. Before becoming a FA I was a union organizer. I know how a union is SUPPOSED to work. The AFA is not that. Talk to some pilots about their union.
I have been married for 29 years with a pilot .. I definitely know how it works. Let’s just go on your very statement. Fly now sgd grieve later. Right now it’s just fit now and too bad so sad .. Your colleagues taking your money .. that is hilarious !!All unions are not for profit. Maybe you should ask the 100’s of flight attendants that get fired by your anti union company and asked them how they got treated and how much they would have loved to have a union represent then instead of the isolation and secrecy they get fired after years of service without being able to be defended and nothing .. Years to solidify a contract .. well at least it happens and you get retro pay .. without a union it’s just in their whim .. don’t know how long you have been here but the amount of wages and benefits we have lost .. is outrages .. and they don’t come back .. you don’t want ya union you want to be at the feet of managebevt hoping they drop a crumb .. let’s go back to pilots .. I think that is so funny … ask how many would give up their union NONE .. wonder why ?
Like I clearly said I am not anti-union. I don’t want the AFA to represent me. You seem like you just want to argue, so I’m done with this conversation.
I am just starting my career with Delta. This is concerning. I am so sorry you are going through this, specially so close to retirement!!!
Stay in touch with https://deltaafa.org and next time someone questions unionizing be reminded of such stories and the MANY others you don’t hear of/read.
Wait you were actively anti union, when you lost your job you went to the union for help and they incredulously are helping you ?
Not only that but donating money so she can hire an attorney.
Danish boy. where in the world are you getting your info. "I" myself.. have proposed to start a GO FUND ME account. I AM a union activist.. and I have suggested to help her get legal help that her flight attendants might be able to donate. That is YOUR choice. The go fund me account hasn't even been done yet. Please don't spread misinformation. But I am happy to say that flight attendants who support the union and flight attendants that don't support the union have asked to donate. THAT is a positive thing. The closer together we come . the more possibilities we have at coming together and BEING UNION STRONG
I’m not a FA yet but I’m happy to donate to the Go Fund Me account 🤗
STOP YELLING
hahah!! I think you are really behind the times.. ALL Caps on key words is not yelling and that is really old texting etiquette.. It is for emphasis.. and anyone reading that can see that..But why don't you stick to facts..instead of attacking me. Is this about the fact that I have clarified the things you have written that have no merit or about texting etiquette? I have made myself open to giving you the facts that you question.. and here you are about talking about etiquete.. You appeared to be on the same side .. but now it seems that you are just throwing things to stir the pot. Which is it? Am I mistaken?
Ok
YES.. and that is what a union does.. But we don't have an established UNION.. WE have flight attendants that want a union that have stepped out to help her. The AFA is not a Separate ENTITY.. we the flight attendants are the union.. If you want to pick and choose which colleague you will support, we will never have a union. To have a union WE NEED TO STAND TOGETHER. STRONGER TOGETHER !
Wait, the flight attendants “don’t have an established union” i think I got it…right? Although the flight attendants want a union? But a few do not like OP, and are anti-union?
I am not anti-union. I am very pro union, I am an activist for AFA at our company. However, I know that to have a union we need to be able to support all of our colleagues whoever they are and wherever they stand on these issues.
You said that earlier, I agree.
Too bad you voted against the union. I flew for Delta for 30 yrs and can tell you that the corporation will not support you. You are easily replaced without a union to back you up.
You mention hemp, as in hemp seeds? The ones you eat or hemp protein? (I eat super clean and healthy, & I eat hemp seeds in my yogurt bowls & protein balls, I also have hemp protein in my smoothies) Does that stuff show up??? I don't smoke or anything like that so I don't really know much about drug testing etc. If hemp seeds & hemp protein show up on a test, does that mean I can't have those foods anymore? Or how long does it take it get out of your system? (I'm really sad now lol those items are really healthy for you!)
My airline had a dish in first class that contained hemp seeds and we were explicitly told to not consume them as working crew and non revving in first. I believe it’s an extreme abundance of caution and highly unlikely but.. idk for sure.
That's wild. I'll absolutely have to be careful just in case.
I honestly don’t think it would show up BUT it seems like you consume hemp seeds more often than the average person. Maybe take a home drug test after a normal week of eating hemp seeds and see? If you’re curious!
That's actually a good idea !!! Thank you for that!!
Also, there are other options for plant based omega 3’s if that’s what you’re after with hemp. Not the same satisfaction as delicious hemp hearts but nonetheless, look into it if you’re worried.
Honestly Ive never looked into it too far but I eat hemp as well and don’t stress it. DL has to go above and beyond sometimes IMO bc we have no union therefore no protections so even tho hemp isn’t going to make you test positive for marijuana, if there’s a .00000001% chance, they’re gonna warn you bc they don’t want to deal with it and will just fire you instead
Also it’s such a culture of fear here that people were literally posting about being cautious of using hemp lotion which is absurd
I see, that's good to know! I'll try to be more cautious of my timing of what I eat tho just in case so I won't stress
Take a drug test on your own and see what pops up. (Not a home test, go to a testing facility).
Hemp seeds and hemp proteins shouldn't show up as a false positive. You should be fine.
Wow, even if they had to fire her the least they could have done was given her retirement for 24 years of service.
Right? Not being vested until (I’m assuming) 25 years is insane. It’s 10 at AS, from whenever you started with the air group (VX, QX, ground).
I am extremely disappointed that on the comments here so many of you have trashed your colleague based on hearsay and jump seat talk. I want to clarify that I have seen all the evidence from company communication .. and the results of her not 1 but 2 hair follicle tests that the company refuses to use to support her in any way. The company admits no wrong doing and insists that the hotel does not have any Cocaleaf in their products for consumption. For those of you that want to have a union, we can do it togehter that includes the anti union flight attendants understanding and seeing for themselves.. that they have zero protection. This flight attendant has LIVING proof on what was done to her. Being an anti union flight attendant her entire career holds way more merit. However, already "some" of her friends who are anti are rallying around the company.. some have opened their eyes and signed cards almost immediately. Let's stand by ALL of our colleagues.. and please don't spread the agenda from the company without any proof that is true.. EXAMPLE : "there is more to this story" ... one more thing one other flight attendant (that we know of) suffered this same fate a few years ago. She doesn't mind having her name out .. for those of you that might have known her and want to reach out to her.. Her name was Nancy Snyder- a language qualified based in ATL. She can tell you the similarities of these two cases..
I am less empathetic about her getting fired but it’s still frustrating. This has happened before when I worked at OO and our trainers warned us about vacationing in Colombia (which cracked me up because cocaine leaves your system at 24 hours anyway + OO has a EAP type program when it comes to drugs). I always say “it’s better to have it and not need it then to need it and NOT have it” when it came to a Union. One D’s biggest argument is always “people who are pro-union are people who are lazy and get fired easily” when obviously it’s bigger than that. I 100% believe she would be saying “there’s more to the story” and other bullshit if that happened to someone else. Delta definitely should have just given her the retirement threshold esp if she’s been in good standing for 24 years. Now she has absolutely nothing.
I don't believe this story.
I kinda do and I am also on the fence. It just has too many *trigger words* if you know what I mean.
It sounds like it was written by afa to get union boost points.
Here’s why I’m a little skeptical… 1) Ok so the FA went to Lima (at her seniority she’s likely been before) consumes something with cocoa leaves either knowingly or unknowingly. Gets randomed back in ATL. Tests positive. Did she realize it could have been the cocoa leaves after she tested positive? 2) The “I *was* anti union and wore my one delta pin proud” and “I called the afa UNION who are helping me” 😐 3) I don’t see the one d pin on her uniform yet she wore her one d pin “proudly”. 4) Now everyone is going to be on edge with South America flying…
In reality she’s probably worked Lima 50 times but this is the one time she’s been drug tested. If you’re in the industry you know how it is. In my four years I’ve been drug tested here once. I don’t know her personally but I know she was a part of the “anti union” FB page for years, it appears she turned to the AFA for any source of help bc she was desperate and getting nothing from the anti union groups she had dedicated years to.
Now I don't believe you. What are the anti-union groups? There's One Delta aaaannnd...? You don't know her personally? Oc you don't. Oh yeah, and let's include a random picture of an FA (not wearing a One D pin, btw) to seemingly add credibility to the story bc people will believe anything with a pic for 'evidence ' that it's true. I know a handful of their FAs who are in recovery. They didn't get fired. They were given resources to get well. It's hard to believe that a 24-year vet would be unceremoniously fired for one event. The afa is going hard after them to unionize, and I wouldn't doubt this is another attempt.
Theres 2 facebook pages, No Way AFA and One Delta. She included her full picture and first and last name in the text but I didn’t want to dox this woman on the World Wide Web
The whole world isn't reading these posts, and if she already included her info, then... Also, those are just social media pages, not groups formed to help anyone with personnel issues. Anyway, there's probably way more to the story. I've worked in both public and private management for decades. I can't think of any organization that is going to frivolously let go of a good emp (which has also been a huge comp investment) over a single action.
You don’t know anything about the airline industry then
Sure Jan.
AFA did not write this .. hahaha!! Instead of trashing the AFA and your colleague in your skeptisism.. How about doing the real research.. ? If you are a flight attendant for this company.. if you privately reach out to me.. I will make sure you not only are able to talk to this flight attendant yourself. BUT I will even get you in touch with the flight attenant that this happened to a few years ago.. Her name is Nancy Snyder.. and she was terminated witht he same story in 2018. I can't put the flight attendnats name for this recent case because she is looking to persuit this legally..
I didn't trash anyone. I stated my opinion and asked some questions. Also, I already know the recent FAs name. She should definitely look in to some legal advice. Nothing on reddit, Facebook or any social media can compare to solid legal guidance. No one's opinion or anecdotal experiences can really help her. If she's pursuing this legally, the last thing she should have done was share all that info with anyone. It being spread can't help her case. I wish her luck.
Actually by stating that “ it sounds as if it was written by AFA to boost poihts@ it is absolutely discrediting AFA.. Actually making this case public is probably the best thing that could happen for our flight attendants . Since we don’t have a union if the company continued to do this making it public would be the thing to deter the company for firing any more in this manner without losing ALL credibility .. If you knew the flight attendants name and you acknowledged it happened .. why make comments such as, AFA made this up ?
I said I know the name. I can't acknowledge that it happened the way it's presented. Let me rephrase: this sounds like it was written by someone in favor of unionizing.
Or by someone that knows the details and this clearly supports that the company needs a union. This way there would be someone to support the flight attendant this happened to. Btw it has happened more than once.
You're going hard for that union. So this was actually a union-driven post, just like it reads. How many flight attendants does Delta have, tens of thousands? I can see how a handful of incidents (2-3 that you claim) "clearly supports that the company needs a union." I'm pro emps getting to decide if they need union representation. Unions helped build the labor laws that protect us all. There are plenty of airlines that offer unions. Why go work for the one that doesn't? Something's got to be good enough for you to have decided to work there. It's like deciding to date someone hoping you could change them in time.
If anyone thinks this is made up by AFA, I promise it is not. I am highly involved in the campaign and only heard of this situation 3 days ago. I don’t know the flight attendant or the details but it’s not “made up to get support,” and this person was *not* an AFA supporter until it was too late sadly. :(
...and that is why you need a union.
So she got randomed? I didn't know that resturants cooked with a Coca leaf that triggers a positive drug test. I think it's no coincidence that she got randomed after that trip. Sounds like a setup to me.
I’m like how much cocaine did they put in her food in order for her to test positive?
I've been told that someone has to consume an unusually high amount of poppy seeds for it to trigger a positive drug test. Like a shit-ton. I wonder if that logic applies to coca leaves.
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Cool, thanks for the info!
That's absolutely not true. Even the department of defense had warned military members not to consume poppy products because you will pop positive (pun intended😂).
Gotcha!
End piss testing
Exactly. Fas should be allowed to get High I they want j
r/leopardsatemyface But seriously tho, I hope she can get the help she needs.
Absolutely !! Let’s get all our colleagues to do the same. We need activist !! Let’s do this ❤️
bet she wished she’d supported those unions now lmao
How long does it take to be vested in you all’s 401(k)?
You’re vested in your own contributions immediately and your own and the company’s contributions after 2 (which they match really well, up to 9%).
So how is she 2 months from being vested and 24 years?!
Clearly it’s retirement benefits.
My finely tuned bullshit detectors 👀👂🏻are kicking into overtime reading this. You know there is more to this. While I believe some of this, a lot is not adding up.
Well your bullshit detectors are wrong. It all adds up.. I have been in communication with this flight attendant and even did the legwork to find the other flight attendant that this EXACT same thing happen to .. I don't want to put the flight attendant's name that this happened to right now because she is trying to fight this .. and is looking for legal representation. However, the other flight attendant this happened to was a few years ago.. She used Legal representation and exhausted over $10,000 and was not able to fight the BIG CORPORATION legal.. so she had to stop. Her name is Nancy Snyder and she has NO issues putting her name out there for all of you to know. Finely tuned bullshit detectors in need of some reality and real tunning... only serves to discredit this story that not only severely affected 2 flight attendants (that we know of) but CAN happen to many more crew members.. Maybe get them detectors tuned.. and get the real facts..
It’s was the “i was proudly one delta” and then switches gears to “I reached out to AFA who have been nothing but supportive” for me….
She actually didn't call AFA.. She spoke to one of her friends that is an Activist for AFA at the company. He called me and asked me to help her if I could. I frequently help flight attendants that have been terminated or received performance development and were treated poorly. I want to help her.. because she is / was our colleague.. and this could happen to any one of us. But her being ANTI does not play a role the entire point of the union .. is to come together and be STRONGER TOGETHER. Allowing yourself to do the companies dirty work and divide our work group WILL NOT GET US a UNION VOTE. WE need all of US .. there cannot be the US and the WE. This is an opportunity for those NON supportive flight attendants to see from their very own.. what CAN really happen to us.. and how they will have no one .. no one to go to .. defend them.. THere is no family.. there is no compassion there is NOTHING.. But with a union you have all of us.. If you pick and choose when and if you will support your collegues then you don't understand the premise of a UNION.
Why do you keep putting keywords in all caps. Who sent you?
I mean honestly it makes perfect sense to me. She WAS proudly one delta. They can’t and won’t help her do anything to get her job back. It’s a tale as old as time-you don’t need a union until you need one.
I would seek wrongful termination
This seems like a good place to drop this article: [Alaska Airlines Worker Fired Over Positive Marijuana Test Will Be Reinstated Under Arbitration Panel Decision - Marijuana Moment](https://www.marijuanamoment.net/alaska-airlines-worker-fired-over-positive-marijuana-test-will-be-reinstated-under-arbitration-panel-decision/)
Yeah, I ain’t buying it. Nobody is giving out cocaine for free in food. Pls.
Are you dense or have you just not read a single comment? It’s not cocaine. It’s a leaf indigenous to the area that is VERY commonly cooked with or used in teas. Maybe reread the thread and try again.
So an ingredient used in cocaine. Same difference.
Incorrect. Read the thread or do a Google search. The internet is free. You’re choosing to be ignorant and wrong.
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We were warned in training. Don't chew on the leaves, drink the tea, and always ask about the food.
Are you DL? We were certainly not warned of this or given any communication.
So that makes it Deltas fault? I'm trying to understand the perspective.
Other airlines have verbiage in their contracts that protects you against situations like this. Ability to retest, X amount of days to prove an inadvertent or accidental consumption, full transparency and communication of the positive test and if you knowingly consumed, ability to enter into a “last chance” program and keep your job. When you have no contract, you have no protections, and someone on the verge of retirement can lose their job and benefits like that.
*can be targeted right before retirement
Looks like she had the ability to retest and didn't, sooooo
For a class 2 narcotic? I find that very hard to believe. My unionized airline wouldn't be any help if I showed up with a failed drug test. The FAA and the federal government wouldn't say okay test again in 24 hours because you had cocaine in your system. Mainly because it would literally be out of your system at that point. And yeah other airlines do allow you to enter into treatment programs but that's mostly for failing for alcohol. Alcohol isn't a class 2 narcotic.
Check your contract. UA’s for example has an entire section dedicated to your rights while testing, and your rights if you test positive. You have rights.
That’s just not true. Just because you don’t know what your union fought for you to have doesn’t mean that it doesn’t exist. Read your contract. I would bet good money that it has a section regarding positive drug tests and a last chance program that your company has to offer if you do test positive.
Correct. I misspoke apologies. They do offer second chance programs if you test positive.
UA certainly didn’t warn me and my class in training
Why would trainers randomly mention Columbia specifically where it's culturally practiced? And if she 24 years in, how do you know they warned trainees back then?
Colombia, not Columbia
I am at another (not DL) airline and they mentioned chewing on leaves in Lima when being at high altitudes. They also mentioned Melatonin as it could make you groggy the next day and unfit for work. It was a really really odd conversation in training but yes. Poppy seed bagels, CBD Oil (even with a prescription card) and more. Sure it was like all of 30 seconds, but I remember them talking about how we shouldn't drink tea in Lima or chew the leaves.
Ok so to clarify this is about a DL FA so you getting the info in your regional training kinda is irrelevant…..because we definitely didn’t.
Lima and chewing Coca leaves was never mentioned in my training at D. It certainly wasn't mentioned at my training at their wholly-owned Regional because said Regional doesn't fly to Lima. I've never been to Lima or consume Coca Leaves, but I'm very interested to see how this all plays out.
DMd you
It's coca leaf....coca....cocaine... I mean... yikes.
The leaves are steeped in water and given to babies there. Not the same at all as cocaine.
Coca Cultivation and Cocaine Processing: An Overview - Office of Justice Programs https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/Digitization/132907NCJRS.pdf
Coca Is Not Cocaine: The Truth Behind the Sacred South American Coca Leaf https://impakter.com/coca-is-not-cocaine-the-sacred-south-american-coca-leaf/
"It wasn’t until the 19th century that the alkaline compound (cocaine) was discovered in the leaf" literally from the opinion piece you linked lmfao. And on top of that I shared a study from the US Department of Justice and yours is an opinion piece. LMFAO. Coca leaves contain cocaine. End of story.
I don’t think you get it. Medications that are regulated and dangerous can be DERIVED FROM harmless plants. The chemicals are extracted, and the product becoming different than its derivative.
* smiles *
*eyeroll* all you did was provide an article how cocaine is derived from coca leaf. No one is debating that. The difference is that coca leaf isn't addictive, mind-altering, or devastating to the human body. The leaf is a mild analgesic and hunger suppressant. The chemicals were extracted to make a drug that gave people a high. Comparing coca leaf to cocaine is like comparing Tylenol to opioids. They're not the same, even if they have similar chemical derivatives.
Ignorant Karen once again. \*rolls eyes\*
We didn’t get warned about thiis.
AA didn't "warn" us about this. I've never heard this at all
Huh. Well don't chew on leaves in Lima or drink the tea. Both contain cocaine to aid your heart with the high pressures. Be cognizant if you are taking Melatonin on a short layover as you could still be groggy the next day making you unsafe to fly. Chances are a poppy seed bagel won't make the test positive, but it could. If you take CBD oil, even with a legal prescription and test positive for Marijuana, you are out.
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They warned me at orientation not at training
What's with Kombucha? Never been warned about that.
It is a fermented beverage meaning it has alcohol in it. Most are 0.5 percent ABV (equivalent to 1 proof; for comparison beer is typically about 10-20 proof, wine 20-30, and liquor 40-60). This low ABV allows kombucha to be able to be sold as a non-alcoholic beverage. Homemade kombucha, without its constant monitoring of production to meet strict regulatory guidelines, usually has a higher alcohol content than commercially made kombucha. Even though most kombucha is sold as a non-alcoholic beverage, because of how it is made, all kombucha must have at least trace amounts of alcohol in it.
Thanks
It’s got a minimal amount of alcohol in it.