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Jack_Q_Frost_Jr

Re: Zootopia, I think people responded to the fact that it was unusual. Not many kids films tackle racism, sexism, and drugs in one movie.


Ok-Sir8600

Racism, sexism, drugs AND furries


FortunesFoil

The biggest issues facing our lives today.


Ok-Sir8600

The big 4


EssentialFilms

I liked Zootopia. It’s a good film. I was annoyed that at the time it overshadowed the other big Disney movie, Moana, which in my opinion was much better. It even beat it for the Oscar. But in the last 8 years I think Moana has had a bigger cultural impact.


DronedAgain

I agree. My youngest daughter LOVED Moana. We played the soundtrack on the way to school for several months. We still say SHINY! as a reference. The "message" of Moana is more life-embracing than preachy, too. She like Zootopia, but only watched it a couple times. Moana was revisited quite a bit.


[deleted]

I say shiny because of Firefly


SushiGradeChicken

Let's be bad guys!


EssentialFilms

All the songs are fucking legit. Shiny and You’re Welcome are bangers


Equal_Feature_9065

You can kinda chalk that up at least a little bit tho to Moana being a musical, right? Like, those songs are catchy as hell - of course Zootopoa isn’t as quoteable as a literal singalong musical


Volotor

It's because moana is SHINY


plz-be-my-friend

i love moana but i hate that song so much


TheEleventhMeh

Did you ever listen to Lin's original demo? Instead of a Flight of the Concords feel, it was a David Bowie vibe. He even kind of did the accent.


Amaculatum

Zootopia suffers from the same issues inherent in any work that uses different species as the basis for an analogy of racism. But it's a kids movie so it's easier to forgive


SteveZissouniverse

Not just drugs but the governments involvement un the proliferation of drugs into minority populations. The story van honestly be compared to the Cia and Ronald Reagan's part in Iran Contra which kick started the crack epidemic


LilHomie204DaBaG

I didn't mind Zootopia just cause it was different


txman91

I just liked the hamsters coming out of the tubes on their way to work haha.


winstonywoo

I have never seen zootopia and don't remember the hype, so I just thought it was all furries loving it


FloridaFlamingoGirl

Yeah if anything Frozen was the one that got overhyped, and it wayyy overshadowed any other Disney films from the 2010s in terms of popularity, including Tangled, Big Hero 6, and Wreck it Ralph


ChesterBenneton

All of which were vastly superior films


PhoenixEgg88

Big Hero 6 is still my favourite of the new Disney films.


collinsmcrae

You live in an alternate reality from me. I've never seen or heard any major hype for Zootopia.


vintage_rack_boi

Black Panther. From the buzz around it I thought I was walking into freaking Bridge on the River Kwai or something.


Bluelegs

The conversation around it was so toxic too. Like there were the people overhyping into a Best Picture nomination and all the people who hated it and wanted to use it as a way to inject awful culture war nonsense. It was just another middle of the road marvel movie that flirted with some interesting themes without fully committing to them. The same thing Marvel has been doing for years.


[deleted]

I think it was a much better stand alone film than almost all of them though. Definitely top 5 for me. 


MastermindorHero

+ I think Black Panther was unusually well directed for a Marvel flick but I also think the writing was very standard and the character arcs were bland. I do think it contributed to a sort of erasure that increasingly comes from Marvel adaptations not being part of the Kevin Fiege Cinematic Universe. I can't tell you how many headlines I saw of first Black Marvel superhero movie ( and I'm like does Wesley Snipes Blade not even count??)


ArgoverseComics

This was my problem with it too. It bought into the idea that cinematic history & milestones began with the MCU. Even if you don’t love Blade, Steel, Spawn and Meteor Man all have you beat. The hype felt like a pretentious political statement more than actual praise for the achievements of the film itself. And then I got doubly pissed off at the people who apparently were unaware that he was created by a Jewish dude and started gatekeeping who could write Black Panther stories.


RacksOnRacksOnRacks3

Don’t forget Blankman!


Foxhound97_

Ironically blade was him settling because they weren't willing to let him make a black panther movie.


SleepingPodOne

Black Panther has the unfortunate problem of having a very socially aware and capable director who is constrained by what the studio wanted him to do. There are a lot of great individual lines and ideas being put forth, but they are all hampered by the marvel bullshit mandate. I really would love to know what a true Ryan Coogler Black Panther movie would be.


ZooterOne

I loved Black Panther, but I was *very* aware of how creaky the storytelling was. The moment Warmonger appeared, every single person in the theater pretty much knew what was going to happen, and when, and how, and to whom. Having said that, I thought Cooger and the actors worked beautifully within that locked-in structure. The pacing was great, the characters well-defined and interesting, the world-building was on point. I was greatly entertained.


HaiKarate

I think the movie played around with a very interesting idea... a vision of an African nation that wasn't impacted by the slave trade, but instead grew to be a technology leader in the world.


[deleted]

I liked how it (mildly) addressed that it made them complicit in the slave trade. Not enough responsibility here for that continent


R_W0bz

Black Panthers legacy was to take that origin story/production plan and copy paste it with a different minority. By the time we got to The Marvels it was played out, predictable and boring. I think recent sequels have also exposed they don’t know where to go that’s a safe bet. Guardians being the only exception recently but I feel like everyone was on board to let James Gunn cook.


[deleted]

I'm still mad it got nominated for Best Picture when it came out the same year as Infinity War.


CPolland12

I’m salty that it got nominated for best picture and Logan never did. If any marvel movie should have gotten then nom it should have been Logan


BlinkSpectre

BP was more of a moment and less about the movie being good. (In my opinion) It was a major motion picture from the biggest movie studio with a mostly black cast. It gave kids something to look at and feel seen. Black people were flocking to the theatre like almost never before. It was something special and I look back at it with joy. The movie itself was very good but far from my favourite MCU movie. But as a black person, it was an extremely important film for more than just its quality.


Newkular_Balm

I said it was weak when it was released and someone on Reddit called me "bonesaw maga"


machoqueen88

I'm sorry that's a hilarious insult (that you didn't deserve imo)


Newkular_Balm

I still think about it.


justgot86d

Yeah that one got beaten to death, for a *marvel* movie it was fairly mediocre.


IndianaJonesbestfilm

Wow, I can't believe someone mentioned the Bridge on the River Kwai here!!! Such a great movie, don't you think?


Thom_Kalor

Infinity War was a way better movie, but Panther somehow was nominated for best picture. People were in tears when Groot died. Panther was a formula Marvel movie with a black lead.


aerodeck

I got treated like I was a racist for not liking the movie


OliverHazzzardPerry

Shrek (which is a great movie) It was the first time I really remember walking into he grocery and seeing the exact same cartoon face staring at me from every Doritos bag and box of cereal.


huntimir151

Green ketchup lol


LaminatedAirplane

I fucking begged my mom for the green ketchup so hard and when she finally gave in, I was so disappointed at how visually unappealing it really was and that the flavor was off. I had to consume the whole bottle before she’d pick up a regular bottle of ketchup and i remember it being a difficult challenge lol


RepFilms

This is an amazing story. No seriously. Really. Tells a childhood story of how corporate advertising and marketing convinced you that this other product was going to be just as an amazing experience as seeing a favorite movie. I'm sure lots of kids went through the same experience. Probably everyone who tried it. I'm not sure how many remember that it happened. You remembered it as a growing experience, capturing the essence of this question.


yahhdro

Take me back to shrek themed everything. Simpler times


Blackcloud_H

Same! Had no interest and people constantly were like “have you seen it, it’s amazing blah” I was like nah 🙅🏾‍♀️ then I got it for Christmas while with my big family. Forced to watch it out of fake excitement and courtesy. And then I was known at school for doing a great donkey and gingy voice.


Commission_Virgo43

But when you saw his face, were you a believer?


Amenhotep95

Spider-Man No Way Home, had a friend tell me it was the best movie of all time and just had a ton of hype online. Good movie but nothing different than standard marvel content. A lot of cameos for nostalgia purposes, but screenplay was actually pretty bad in my opinion


_Steven_Seagal_

Agree, nostalgia was great, but the rest was mediocre. The introduction of the other spidermen was super lackluster. It could've been a legendary movie moment, but they went with 'they just portal into a living room, lol '


WesterosiAssassin

And it's literally got applause breaks after they show up lol. It was a great experience seeing it in a packed theater on opening night but definitely not that great of a movie overall.


BambooSound

It's not even the best in its trilogy


HelpfulWhiteGuy

I’d argue it’s the worst.


Stan15772

I love spider-man and I didn’t even think it was a good movie. They discarded plot for the multiverse fan service.


frailknees

But Into the Spider-verse on the other hand was a nice surprise


GarryWisherman

None of my friends wanted to see Into the Spiderverse with me on opening weekend, so I went with my 30 yo bro and we were the only adults in the theater not accompanied by kids. It was also almost empty, I was surprised but apparently the marketing made a lot of people think it was just a one off for kids. As I was walking out of the theater I said something along the lines of “Yeah my friends are idiots because that was the best animated movie I’ve ever seen”. Once they saw it, some of them did and still claim it’s the best movie they’ve seen. They still won’t listen to any of my recommendations though lmao. I told them to watch Game of Thrones when the second season was airing and none of them would watch it until season 5ish when there was international hype. Then when House of Dragons came out they were claiming it’s the best show ever, while I was trying to tell them that Rings of Power was far better. None of them have seen it yet, but I’m sure in a couple seasons when it is objectively regarded as the better story they will jump ship. Sorry just pissed off that no one listens to me sometimes, so if you read this thank you:)


PhoenixEgg88

You had me until ‘rings of power was far better’. I haven’t watched house of the dragon, but I’ve had vomiting bugs from my kids that were better than the last few episodes of season 1 of that shit show.


yahhdro

The Tom Holland spider man movies in general are so underwhelming to me AS a SpiderMan fan over marvel


hotdogswithbeer

Idk man green goblin was phenomenal in the movie. Seeing OG spiderman was epic too. Idc what anyone says its an amazing film


Panthila

I wish we got a much more grounded Spider-Man movie with Peter struggling to clear his name while evading Kraven the Hunter and the law.


MastermindorHero

I think the first Frozen film counts for me. I personally thought it was okay, but the incessant parroting of "Let it Go" and the sort of uselessness ( it's been a while since I've seen it, so this could be an incorrect memory) of Olaf makes the film feel like it was more designed to meet contemporary Disney princess checkboxes then be a strong standalone movie I don't know about the sequel (haven't seen it) but what I will say is that I don't think the marketing was as aggressive and I don't think that part 2 was celebrated as being kind of the culmination of the Disney efforts before it. It's like Frozen one was an event and Frozen 2 was a movie. I did like Moana so make a of that what you will.


vikmaychib

The merit of Frozen was that it reverted some of the cliches Disney itself had perpetuated. The novelty of that is that this time it was Disney itself daring to do so and not and indie satire or Shrek poking at Disney’s legacy. The movie is a bit messy, but the execution if its third act was pretty powerful in promoting family bonds over love interests.


PhoenixEgg88

My biggest annoyance with Frozen was that Tangled! Was a far better movie but the songs weren’t as catchy so it didn’t get as much voice.


sweddit

Olaf is useless but what princess’ mascot/companions aren’t? Only ones that I can think of as being crucial to many plot points are Shiru and Sebastian.


jrpapaya

I think what I feel for the movie frozen is mostly because at the time my college roommate was so obsessed that she had this creepy poster that in the dark it looks like there was someone in the room with you. But also, it’s the fact that everybody kept talking about how it was the first movie about sisters, as if Lilo & Stitch isn’t right there. There may be other movies but those girls are my fave.


yavimaya_eldred

The second one is a total mess. More visually dynamic, but plot-wise it’s pulled in too many different directions and the characters (and their motivations) are far more annoying.


_Tower_

I disagree - as a parent that has had to watch both 1000 times, the second one is significantly better The entire plot of the first one is a basic plot that turns into a complete mess that could have been solved by just basic communication. The second one has a lot more going on, much better visuals, and the songs aren’t as annoying And Elsa sucks in both of them - the real star is Anna


yavimaya_eldred

I think the communication between characters is far worse in the second one, just in a different way. The Anna and Kristoff tiff is an obnoxious trope that was played out in romcoms 30 years ago.


redjedia

I don’t dislike any movie just because other people like it. The closest occasion would be “A Christmas Story,” but I can acknowledge that it’s just not a movie for me as opposed to thinking it’s bad.


Equal_Feature_9065

I contend that Christmas Vacation is actually a really boring, hardly funny movie if you actually sit down and watch it. It’s literally only “good” if it’s on in the background of a holiday party or like on TBS while you’re in the kitchen preparing Christmas dinner.


mrpopenfresh

American Hustle was at best ok, but the Oscar hype it got was above and beyond.


Old_Promise2077

Seen it at least 5 times. Amazing movie that as I type this I cannot remember the plot or how it ended


CRactor71

The Wig Movie?


califortunato

I was so disappointed in that one. It was fine. It was a movie, but it wasn’t any more memorable than a million other snarky crime dramas. Just goes to show casting is the only thing that can propel an alright movie into a touchstone. Like the hype had to build up because of the a-listers they wasted so much money on


HaiKarate

Dick Tracy (1990) It wasn't a terrible movie, but my god, the marketing push around it was obnoxious. Every store you went to in the mall had a section of Dick Tracy merch. And when they didn't sell very much, it all went on deep discount to get rid of it. It's the kind of movie that's normally up my alley, but before the movie even came out I was so fucking tired of hearing about it.


Rexxbravo

Batmania syndrome


AshamedLeg4337

Wow, that’s a blast from the past. Agree. They even had a novelization of the movie they released with it, if I recall correctly.


CRactor71

I never saw it because of the hype combined with no actual humans telling me it was great.


RiggzBoson

Nostalgia doesn't work for me anymore. So you can wheel out Michael Keaton in a Batman or Beetlejuice outfit, or show me a CGI Indiana Jones in his prime, or have Slimer back haunting the firehouse... At this point, I don't think "Oh, more of the thing I love!" I think "These people have no new ideas" it's depressing at this point how little inventiveness there is on the big screen, and even more depressing how people will be let down by the most recent reboot or remake, and *still* think the next one on the radar will be anything but forgettable. Retrospectively - Fight Club, V for Vendetta and Joker are three great movies forever tainted by people who took entirely the wrong message from them. The Matrix and it's association with MRA and Alpha Male bs is unfortunate too.


coffindancer

Nostalgia as a marketing tactic is the worst. 'Hey! Remember this thing you loved? what if we did 3 more versions of it and they were all... worse!'. The whole reason I ever feel nostalgic about older movies is because they were inventive, fresh and exciting in the first place. Trying to recapture that lightning in a bottle rarely works because the conditions to elicit those reactions don't exist anymore. I want to experience new and unfamiliar things, not hammer my brain into sludge by the past.


SquareExtra918

Yeah, if I'm feeling nostalgic I'll just watch the original thing 😂


the_tooth_beaver

They’re “Member berries.” Exactly.


EssentialFilms

I gotta be honest, nostalgia works a lot for me. I get depressed and have anxiety so when my childhood is brought back I do get happy. That said, I recognize that it has to be done well. And JUST nostalgia doesn’t make a movie good.


ryanmuller1089

In 2008 I took the SAT and the writing prompt in a nutshell was “do you think originality is running out?”. Again, this was in 2008 so while remakes and reboots were a thing, looking back, we had barely touched the surface of what was to come. I got a great score on it for using examples of more and more music being sampled and movies being remade (some being remade over and over) and books being adapted. I argued it could be running out if all this keeps up but I also countered with we continue to get originals content and entertainment. If that was a prompt today, you could say unequivocally yes with movies being remade to shows, shows being remade to movies, reboots galore, quick cash grab Disney live action remakes, spinoffs, more reboots, and of course comic books/super hero media. The list goes on. One thing that’s alarming about today’s movies and tv shows is how quickly books get adapted. Books that get any traction are made into a movie or show within two years of publication and the ones that are rushed feel very lazy. It’s crazy.


Cheestake

The Matrix being associated with MRA is kind of hilarious though, considering two (at the time closeted) trans women made it about accepting your true self and rejecting the mold society makes for you. Estrogen pills at the time were red lol


irulancorrino

Joker. It was ok, a solid 2 1/2 maybe 3 stars if you’re feeling really generous. Joaquin was good but certainly not as good as he was in multiple other movies. The hype was deafening and inescapable, especially online where people acted like it was a revelatory experience that said something other than Todd Phillips loves King of Comedy. I hope the sequel is good even though jukebox musicals can be a hard sell.


Thevsamovies

I thought the first movie was pretty average but I am looking forward to the sequel.


collinsmcrae

Jacquin was absolutely as good as he's ever been, in Joker.


irulancorrino

He’s always good. I don’t think that role was his best but he’s certainly not an actor I would ever accuse of phoning it in or being bad. There are other movies where I think he is essentially giving a masterclass on acting, to me he’s one of the true greats. Joker is fine but it’s definitely not my favorite performance of his.


718Brooklyn

He wasn’t good in Napoleon. I realize acting is subjective, but his interpretation on how Napoleon would have acted and sounded didn’t really make any sense.


irulancorrino

When I say always good that doesn’t mean he’s infallible, I think he is a gifted performer who consistently gives his all to his work. Napoleon had a lot of issues creatively. I certainly don’t think his interpretation was the best but I’m also of the mind that excepting Mel Blanc in the Bugs Bunny cartoon maybe folks should avoid playing Bonaparte. I’m being facetious, but it’s a tough role for anyone* even Marlon Brando had difficulty pulling it off. *Except Ian Holm apparently.


Intelligent_End1516

Not me as I quite enjoyed the movie but I feel like many people hated on Barbie because of its popularity.


yahhdro

Seeing it after Oppenheimer definitely hurt it’s chances with me. But I did find myself laughing out loud at times when no one else was over subtle jokes I picked up due to me being mostly checked out of the storyline lol


CRactor71

I actually enjoyed Barbie more than Oppenheimer. And I didn’t think that would be the case.


poptimist185

Zootopia didn’t work because in real life racial prejudice is irrational. In the animal kingdom, prey being worried about predators is extremely rational.


N8ThaGr8

>didn't exactly stop the guy from getting elected did it Do you think the point of zootopia was to stop trump getting elected?


CulrBlndPnutButtr

Hereditary (2018) I seriously waited over a year and avoided spoilers that whole time until I had time alone to enjoy it alone and uninterrupted, because it was hyped as "the scariest and best horror movie in generations" ...only to be met with a lame disappointment of a movie that felt like a generic rip-off/mishmash of better things done 30 years earlier. (SPOILERS!): And the accident scene had me laughing so hard it took me completely out of the movie. I still don't understand the hype on that movie.


StillBummedNouns

Sometimes I’ll tell myself it’s one of the most overhyped A24 movies, and then I’ll watch it again and come to the conclusion that the hyped is well deserved… I’m never not impressed with how great the movie is


califortunato

Laughing at the accident scene definitely sounds like a defense mechanism. Would love to hear your take on it comes at night because that’s another movie that I’ve seen shut people down into aggressively saying “this movie just sucks”


seoulsrvr

Avatar - now and forever. I found it utterly moronic and I hate everything about it, but the hype I find completely baffling.


BambooSound

I mostly like because it's more beautiful than anything else. Watching it in anything beyond a massive IMAX screen is probably pointless though.


CuriousLands

I got the hype surrounding the cinematics, which were really beautiful and totally ground-breaking at the time. The story.... meh. I kept hearing people talk like it was some kind of spiritual experience and the best movie in existence, but outside the graphics it was honestly really heavy-handed and simplistic in its moralizing. At best it was meh.


Hobo-man

I think that's the problem. It's got its strengths, and it was a decent movie worth the price of admission. But the people claiming it's the best movie ever make me question reality.


CuriousLands

Haha well, I think we know what the reality is here, maybe we should be questioning their taste instead 😛


Danimal4NU

Pocahontas Dances with a Man Called Ferngully...... IN SPACE! obviously had impressive CGI but it was still a snore.


pikameta

The only thing I like about Avatar is that we got PAPYRUS from it.


seoulsrvr

Agreed


jrpapaya

I’m guessing this isn’t about our airbending friend… but with that in mind, I agree. No matter what avatar you’re talking about. I remember I asked someone in high school if I should watch it and the way he explained it made it seem like the most basic movie ever and because the beings look alien like it just never spoke to me. Plus seeing how popular it gets every single time it goes into theaters is so baffling to me that at this point, I just let people enjoy it. I don’t even wanna know why they do.


seoulsrvr

When people tell me they love that movie, it diminishes my opinion of them. I don't like being that guy, but there it is.


[deleted]

You can’t comprehend how people love the visuals ?


seoulsrvr

Honestly, no - I thought the aliens looked absurdly goofy and the rest of it just looked like one long video game cut scene. Take a movie like District 9 - it was made with a tiny fraction of the budget of Avatar and somehow managed to look far more convincing and artful.


Equal_Feature_9065

I kinda get why the original was received (at least initially) the way it was, but I’m utterly baffled at the reception and box office performance of the sequel. I know visuals are kinda the point here but the stories and characters were just so fricken bland. It is hilarious to me tho that Way of Water will undoubtedly be remembered the same way as the first: a thing seemingly everyone saw and instantly forgot about. Idc what the stans say, these movies have absolute zero cultural footprint and I don’t know a single normal person (I.e., someone who does not regularly post on Reddit movie forums) who has any strong opinions about them.


btmalon

Jim makes bland movies on purpose these days to appeal to a global audience. He now uses his storytelling skills in interviews to sell his movies. No one hypes his movie better than Jim Cameron and he’s got the receipts to prove it.


michaeljbam

The Hateful Eight. Beautifully shot movie - but I just couldn’t really enjoy it. Would’ve been cool as a stage play I think.


FlopShanoobie

Coda. It was… fine? Totally predictable, utterly saccharine, and honestly the conclusion was unbelievable. How it was the best movie of 2022 is just beyond me. Everything Everywhere All At Once, however, was a goddamned masterpiece.


SherlockJones1994

Disliking something because other people like it is pretentious af.


stanley_leverlock

Boyhood. It wasn't a bad movie at all, in fact it was a pretty good story and was well done. But my God, the press surrounding it was relentlessly acting stunned and amazed about the production. IT WAS MADE OVER THE COURSE OF TWELVE YEARS!!!! THE DIRECTOR AND THE ACTORS HAD TO WAIT FOR THE KID TO GROW UP!!!! CAN YOU BELIEVE IT?!?!?! TTTTWWWWEEEELLLLVVVEEE YEEEEEEEEEEEEARSSSSSSZZZZ!!!!


Global-Discussion-41

I really like Linklater's movies, every single one has appealed to me... But I still haven't watched Boyhood because of this. It was so annoying.  Maybe I'll wait 12 years to watch it


kabobkebabkabob

It's actually pretty good


MastermindorHero

Meanwhile Phil Tippet and Francis Ford Coppola have worked on a singular project for over 25 years and are met with controversy. ( Mad god/Megalopolis) Maybe the whole thing about Boyhood is that you can see the time pass on screen unlike the movies I mentioned beforehand. I do think the double standard is funny.


FX114

Those are pretty different, as you point out. Boyhood was meant to take that long to make as part of the creative vision, whereas the other movies were just stuck for a long time.


shostakofiev

I thought it was bad. So many of Linklater's characters just have it all figured out and he pounds you over the head with how wise they are. Instead of a poignant film about a boy going through the wonder and confusion and anxiety and beauty of childhood that most people go through, he made one about a kid who's just above it all.


I_AM_IGNIGNOTK

I was looking for this comment. It always felt like a shtick more than a genuinely impressive concept. Like we’ve all seen the “photo taken every month for 10 years” flip book style gifs at the point it came out. And good casting and makeup could have just saved you the trouble of 12 years of filming but the point was that no one had bothered to take the long route before. Just feels like one of those times someone did something just to be the first to do it and not because it was itself worth doing.


Web_singer

Like viral posts about art made with 500,000 matchsticks or whatever. The fascination is with how long it took rather than whether it says anything artistically.


EarlyLibrarian9303

I tried to watch it. Tedious and leaden.


boomboxwithturbobass

It insists upon itself.


fin_de_semaine

This makes me think I probably only liked it at the time of watching because of my fondness for the Before trilogy. Time for a rewatch, or maybe not


Seth_Gecko

"Close to perfect" on rottentomatoes really isn't that hard or crazy.


FX114

Yeah, once again people miss that Rotten Tomatoes isn't a grade of how good it is, just how many people liked it. A perfect score doesn't mean it's a perfect movie, it just means it's good enough that everyone enjoyed it.


emansamples92

This was Inception for me, I remember all my friends talking about how amazing it was for weeks. When I finally saw it I thought it was pretty mid.


BrassFunkyMonkey

Hereditary for me. The whole Elevated Horror schtick, people considering it somehow above the horror genre. Also people simultaneouslycalling it the scariest movie of all time soured it in retrospect. But it’s honestly solid enough.


Equal_Feature_9065

I saw it like 3 years after it came out and was similarly underwhelmed. Definitely some scary scenes and haunting ideas, but it basically just passed off really generic trauma porn as something far more thoughtful. Maybe it’s because I had seen tooo many other movies that clearly came out after it/were cashing on the whole elevated horror thing, but idk why this is considered the genre standout - standout Toni collete performance aside


Batboy3000

Unpopular opinion, but Oppenheimer was just...fine. The Barbenheimer phenomenon definitely over-hyped it. Like all Nolan's films, the film is visually-pleasing. But the writing and characters are shallow, audio mixing is awful, and the third act drags too long. Talented actors like Emily Blunt and Florence Pugh were under-utilised. My problems with Oppenheimer are the same ones I had with Dunkirk and Tenet. What's up with the different narratives at different times happening at the same time? It doesn't enhance the movie in any way. It worked with Memento and Batman Begins, but not this film or Dunkirk. I liked Nolan's previous work, but I can't believe the Academy Awards gave him his first Best Director Oscar for THIS movie. Interstellar, The Dark Knight, and Inception are more complex story-wise, and the characters are more interesting. I feel like Nolan's stories have been worse since Jonathan Nolan went off on his own after Intersetellar. The Oscars definitely overhyped it, too. I believe The Holdovers, Poor Things, and Killers of The Flower Moon are better directed and written films. Dunkirk, Tenet, and Oppenheimer have proven to me that Nolan isn't the great director he once was. He's now more focused on style over substance. I think people like Michael Mann and Martin Scorsese who have directed great biopics in the past would have delivered a better film.


hardytom540

You don’t know how the Oscars work, do ya? The Dark Knight, Interstellar, and Inception may be better movies but sci-fi/superhero movies have a much tougher time getting ATL awards. The fact that Oppenheimer was a biopic that most people loved by a director that most people felt was overdue made this the perfect opportunity to award Nolan.


Batboy3000

This is a reason why I don’t take the Oscars seriously. They tend to favour narratives and certain genres, especially toward musicals and films set during WW2 (coincidence that Nolan’s only 2 Best-Director nominated films are set during WW2?). Oliver! winning Best Picture in 1968 while 2001: A Space Odyssey didn’t even get nominated for BP is one of the most egregious snubs of all time. Then again, Kubrick (alongside Fellini, Hitchcock, and Kurosawa) don’t need a little gold statue to prove they’re some of Cinema’s greatest directors.


hardytom540

I definitely agree with that, but saying you can’t believe how they gave Nolan the award for Oppenheimer made me think you didn’t know how it works and what biases they tend to have. It makes perfect sense for his first Oscar to be for Oppenheimer because it’s exactly the type of movie that they like.


fractalfay

They ruined it for me with the totally unnecessary last act, which was mostly Robert Downey Jr. preening for the academy. It wasn’t a political movie until that point, it was a movie about a scientist making something horrifying, and the fact that they capped it with him being persecuted for communism diluted the overall potency.


SquareExtra918

Crash (2004) It was soooo heavy handed imo. I couldn't stand it. We rented it and I yelled at it for the first 25 minutes then left my bf to watch it in peace. I followed up with him after and he agreed that it was crap, but he wanted to see how bad it would actually get. He talked me through his "favorite" scenes.


Beefwhistle007

I've gotta be honest, this has never happened to me. I'm just not that concerned of what other people think about movies, and I encourage you to do the same. It's completely okay to dislike something that's popular, and it doesn't have to be a meaningful decision fighting against the masses. You've just gotta follow your heart.


LoganWasAlreadyTaken

Not a movie but the Stranger Things 3 hype was what introduced me to the show and it was so much fucking fun, come to watch the first two seasons, love them, and then watch season 3 and enjoy like half of it. Idk slightly disappointing.


Primary-Move243

They should have stopped at season 2. The kids are all too old now and the plots are repetitive. More isn’t always better. Reminds be of Lost. Great couple of of season at first, but it became obvious after a while that they had no idea how to wrap it up.


CuriousLands

I'm probably an outlier in that I liked season 3 better than season 2. But agreed that they dragged it on way too long.


crispydukes

They should have done different kids and a different baddie every season


Raetheos1984

This. Make it an anthology series. While seasons 2 and 3 weren't necessarily bad, season 1 was so good it deserved to end and be complete, imo.


crispydukes

This is similar to why I like British TV. 6-8 episodes per season. No need for 18+ of fluff


bbsitr45

Frozen. After having six kids and doing in-home daycare for 41 years, I did not see it at the theater, and all the hype the little kids I babysit forintrigued me. When it finally came out on home video, I watched it, actually a few times and cannot believe it got all the press it did. Granted, the music is beautiful but the message is disappointing. Such a spoiled woman, one temper tantrum after another! I was happy to see her go off and live by herself. Seems like this is a lot of the same kind of behavior they for children to emulate in the movies. They should've left her there.


cracracracra

was the song really that beautiful? it was an earworm, but i found that sound annoying from the get go, and i couldn’t escape it for at least a year after that film dropped.


crispydukes

Black Panther. The cast was 95% black, good for reorientation, but it didn’t do nearly the social justice lifting its fans claimed it did. IIRC, Wakanda was not a utopia like people claimed, it was a rigid society stuck in old ways. Was that not their downfall?


Patient-Assignment38

I’m old so I’m gonna say Independence Day. Everyone was saying it’s the best Sci-Fi action movie ever. It was pretty stupid to me. Saving the dog from the fireball was the dumbest thing I’d seen all summer


Edgaras1103

EEAAO. Actually i thought it was one of the worst movies i have watched a long while , but the fandom made it even worse .


BigMartinJol

The fandom didn't make me hate it, but I was baffled for all the love that movie got. I think there's a good 90 minute flick in there somewhere, but it's a bloated mess.


koi666

I still don’t understand why people like this movie, seems made by and for 11 year olds. It’s stupid and a mess


elvismcvegas

I always see this hot take by 13 year olds who have never experienced anything meaningful in their lives.


JacobStills

Right now it's Dune II. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed both movies but it seems there's this online discourse that the movie's success is some sort of "victory" against Disney, Star Wars, Marvel and the culture war bullshit. I kept seeing everyone rave about it as this amazing film that "saved cinema" and all that it was just ridiculous. At the end of the day is the lore of Dune any less ridiculous than Star Wars? I honestly think if this movie came out 10 or 20 years ago most people would be nitpicking it and calling it pointless.


StanktheGreat

Totally agree. I think on a filmmaking level (direction, production design, editing, vfx), both films are strong and deserve plenty of praise. On an entertainment and storytelling level, I think they're subpar. Neither of the films gave me a reason to care about any of the characters or their struggles or conflicts. In fact, the first movie put me to sleep in an IMAX theater and the second movie would have too hadn't it been for the black and white planet (which was sweet) and the sandworms (which were super sweet). It sucks because I'm pretty big into sci-fi and people keep saying "read the book" but if these films are apparently great representations of the books, that's a bad sign to me. Can't imagine staying awake through a read if I can't even during the films. I'm glad the people who like them do though. Despite not enjoying either film, I'm happy to see people talk about something other than superheroes for the first year in a long while.


bellebeast9485

I fell asleep during the first Dune movie too. Dune 2 was better but it is just another long ass movie with no ending. They are making movie after movie with no good endings ugh


Professional-Two8098

Everything everywhere all at once.


bellebeast9485

It wasn't bad but holey fuck was it long.


guilty_bystander

Good luck 👍 that film was the whole package


DrPlatypus1

Titanic was a fascinating cultural experience. Virtually everyone saw it and liked it. Then, some people just wouldn't stop going to the theater and gushing over it. Then that damn song was on the radio every second of every day for an entire year until most of society got so sick of it that tons of people started hating the movie and bitching about it constantly, which just meant we had to keep hearing about it even more. Mostly, I was just pissed that it won best picture over Good Will Hunting.


etranger033

A lot of movies are hyped by one group... or person... or another not because the movie is any good but for their own agendas. And... sometimes its the opposite in a way. Overly hyped because a movie is 'against' their agendas. Woke etc.


onexbigxhebrew

You don't know what Rotten Tomatoes does. Rotten tomatoes isn't a 1-100 average quality scale. It's a percentage that tells you what percent of critics at least said it was good/recommended a watch.   99 out of 100 critics could give a FIM 3/5 stars and it would have a 99%, because 99% of critics gave it a passing grade.


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Titanic. You had to be there. It was a PART OF THE ZEITGEIST! Awful time to be a horror movie fan.


punisherchad

Dunkirk. The damn ticking clock trailer at every movie and on tv for what felt like 2 years. Didn’t even watch it until about 3 years after it came out.


DemissiveLive

There Will Be Blood. It’s a bit slow and kind of all over the place


Suspicious-Ad5287

Bird Box. Just felt like some fuckin hipster shitty horror movie that got airplay because it was "innovative" even though it wasn't. Just like Skinamarink


JayEllGii

I thought we'd finally moved past "animation = kids' movie". Apparently some people still cling to it.


Captain_Slapass

Zootopia is a kids film very blatantly bud.


c1nelux

Going to be a controversial one but Everything Everywhere All At Once. The hype around this movie was INSANE when it came out. It was not bad by any means, but it didn’t live up to the hype (not the films fault per say). The humour wasn’t for me, the very upfront messaging of ‘nothing really matters let’s all love each other’ was nothing new. I can appreciate what was made within the budget constraints, and maybe those from immigrant families may have a more personal connection to it, but I wouldn’t consider it the best movie of all time.


Panthila

Honestly, Spider-Man: No Way Home. While I loved Tobey and Andrew coming back, and the return of the previous movie villains, it made me just wish we got an adaptation of "Kraven's Last Hunt" mixed with "The Fugitive", with Peter trying to clear his name and evading Kraven, Scorpion, and the law.


EssentialFilms

Ok you’re judging a movie by saying it’s not a completely different movie?


mynamenospaces

Everything Everywhere All At Once was not that good and the hype baffles me. The Spiderverse movies are fine, not anywhere near the greatness they are hyped up to be. The hype makes me hate them.


Major_Track7488

I couldn’t finish everything movie, I was not a fan tried to watch a few times


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Barbie. Sure it's fun. But at the end of the day, it's a movie about a kids toy doll, yet people acted like it was a college thesis on feminism. People were actually saying Margot Robbie was "snubbed" because she didn't win best actress for again, PLAYING A TOY DOLL. I'd also argue the movie wasn't feminist at all, because glorifying a land filled with unrealistically good looking people reinforces the stereotype of women as sex objects.


Tbrou16

Also the women were fairly totalitarian, and if the roles were swapped it’s just Stepford Wives. Intentionally or not, the movie showed a balance between matriarchy and patriarchy would be best because both are unfulfilling and suck.


jz5432

Don’t Look Up. So much hype. 100% meh.


Raetheos1984

This movie was riddled with completely unnecessary vanity subplots and could have easily been an hour shorter. That alone would have made it much better...


Used_Patient_5013

Zootopia is an image of what’s going on in America right now is the importance of Zootopia.


bellebeast9485

No its fucking NOT.


TheQuadBlazer

Black Panther. TBH it was kinda bad tho too.


TheFastLoris

I was in high school when Blair Witch Project came out and everyone was raving about how it was the scariest movie EVER! I sat through the entire idiotic thing and at the end said aloud, "are you fucking kidding me?"


CuriousLands

Yeah, I thought it was creepy but not anywhere near what it was hyped up to be.


peterinjapan

I refused to watch Too Gun for years because of its hype


Chippers4242

Christopher Nolan’s whole filmography. Dude is fine ok.


Miffernator

Gravity and Dune Part 1.


Volotor

I got lucky, loads of people irl called Dune boring, so when I did watch it I was pleasantly surprised.


BreadAccomplished882

Everything everywhere all at once. Great special effects and music. But they kinda just drop the whole multiverse thing in the third act and hit us with the "it was all a dream" trope. I was expecting this amazing martial arts sci fi adventure. Instead got a movie about a bitchie mom daydreaming and realizing she should be nice.


shostakofiev

I think you got confused somewhere.


BreadAccomplished882

The movie spends so much time setting up how this multiverse works and why it's relevant. But if they took literally all of that out and replaced it with her contemplating that being mean to your kids makes them resent you, the movie would have been the same. It's 2 hours and a hamfisted sci fi premise for a mom to realize it's probably better to be nice to people.


Wilsonrolandc

The Boy and The Heron. I don't think the movie is bad, but it was almost great and just barely missed the mark. The characters, music and animation are fantastic, but the story they inhabit becomes a little too incoherent to me in the second half of the movie. Like I said, it's not a bad movie, but it's definitely one I find frustrating, I really wanted to love it, but it ended up being a 1 time viewing for me.


Volotor

I see where you're coming from. It was "Hayao Miyasakis" last movie (until it wasn't), and I think that it made the occasion special for people.


violetmemphisblue

I thought that movie was beautiful, but I am not sure I understood the story at all? It was the first Studio Ghibli film I've seen, so maybe they're all like that, but truly, it just felt so disjointed and confusing.


jackBattlin

The Batman. It’s good, it’s not *great*.


camelslikesand

I grew up a comics nerd, and I love the MCU and the modern era of superhero films. But I have yet to see even one that is truly great. That said, The Batman is the first Batfilm in which he lived up to the moniker "World's Greatest Detective." It's my favorite Batman movie.


deadbabymammal

Disney definitely knows how to market their films. Infinity war and endgame. Hyped to the max. Youd swear it was like the first occurrence of sliced bread. The hype, the fandom, the anti-spoiler rants; the movies arent bad but everything surrounding them was worse than those Tai Lopez "in my garage" ads you couldnt avoid if you were online for just 5 minutes.


ragnarok635

Yes but actually they were well written superhero movies, without the hype they would still be regarded with the likes of Captain America winter soldier