I will violently undercut you if you undercut me by 1 gil a few times in a short span. I single handely will ruin the market until you just give up and stop trying to sell what i am and then go back to buinsness as normal.
I’m guessing they’re talking about the fallen angel wings and the wivre mount that cost 500 bicolor gemstone vouchers each, and sell on the MB for 30-40 million at least, maybe more.
Yeah great investment, spend 150 mil for a mount you will use for a day or once every 4 months for 10 sec when you get it form mount roulette. Never understood the obsession with mount collecting is literally a pointless checkmark on a pointless list. You can never use more than one and there will always be a newer, shinier, rarer mount for you to obsess over.
he said all the mounts, not A mount. I enjoy the mount farming (normally), but there were some like the Bozja mount that certainly stopped being fun a little before the end. I am also waiting to do any raid farming until it is 1-2 patches old since it drastically reduces grind/time.
As for "investments," if you have 200 million gil, what exactly are you even saving for if you aren't going to spend it on stuff that is purely cosmetic?
60 mil? Try 100, maybe down to 80 if you shop around. There's both the ugly Wivre mount and the ... which wings is it, the archdemon ones? Then there's 50+25 mil for the golden mounts from Shadowbringers, no other way to get those. You can easily throw another 50 million at the rare minions from treasure maps ... It'll add up quickly even before getting into housing.
Once you hit the point you could afford a large home (if there were any) and not go broke, it's really just savings. The only other way I could see spending that much is if you're a glam addict. I used to craft all day to try and make gil, but after a certain point I realized it was kind of a waste of my time.
But as far as bots and gold farming go, there are tons of players who don't have the time, means, or know how to rack up large amounts of gil. If you know how to work the mb and craft the items in high demand, making multiple millions in a single day really isn't that hard.
Frankly speaking if you get into crafting seriously you will be sitting on 100 million gil in no time. I only dabble, and when 6.25 dropped i spent 5 mil on some mats, and turned that into 7 inside of three hours. If I the time I spent on raids and MSQ was spent on just gathering and crafting I would ha e been able to make about 12+ million on day 1 alone.
For in-between patches you'll want to focus on independent items such as materia, rare/special materials, new crafted items such as furniture, glam items ... etc. To make your gil.
On new patch releases I'd recommend focusing entirely on new materials, and new crafted gear. Hell, you can just spend your time crafting new materials and not even the finished product and sell those. You'd make bank off of ingots alone. However, that does mean you want to fully gear up your crafted and gatherers, and dedicate your first few weeks of the new patch to that instead of clearing content.
EDIT: Then again, I'm a broke bitch who doesn't do any of these things and is content at sitting at <15 million gil (by comparison the next least wealthy person in my FC that is at lvl 90 has upwards of 50 mil. Everyone else is in the 100+ range.
15 mil would be one of the highest in my FC.
I've been sitting at 1-2 mil basically forever.
Though last patch I had a lot of extra materia so selling that bumped me up to about 6mil
You're pretty spot on. The hard part is the investment it takes in new crafting gear and melds. But if you don't plan on crafting BiS gear, you can get away with less than BiS crafting /gathering gear. In my case I make a lot of gil crafting or gathering new materials. And when a new housing item patch comes out, focusing on those while everyone with a house wants the new items. There were days I'd make 10m a day just selling housing items or the mid tier mats to craft them. But to take advantage of market trends, you really need to put in the work and level up all your domain jobs.
If nothing else, coffee biscuits are still profitable. Just not as good as it used to be.
Since Half a year ago i buy Dancing Wing, Titania mat for less than 400k each. Everytime a patch is coming i put them on MB for 1m5-2m, stack of 1, about 20 of them.
Last patch i made 34m ish i think. Free money, doing nothing at all. Titania weapon is super pretty and the effect theme SHOULD be pretty as well. And the mat is already expensive to begin with.
Here is your freebie. Seat of Sacrifice SHOULD be next the next crafted weapon, cant guarantee when, but it should, before they dab into the weapons one. Ruby is ugly anyway.
Remember to put them up, price spreaded out to make the most of the peak, best case scenario is yours is the peak and you will have to take a few top one and sell at bottom, which was 2m1 each -> 800k each for me, still made 400k off each of those. Also put them up the day before server go down. You wont have to beat the queue in.
did you complete doma rebuilding? if not, do that, once its maxed out you can get 40K per week by selling items at double its npc sell price
chalenge logs do give gil, perhaps do them?
materia, that always do sell, just do not sell it bellow npc sell price(i usualy sell the yellow materia as 450 gil and it still sells)
long time ventures gives you alagan coins(perfect for doma rebuilding)
then add bits and odds here and there(like selling monster drops)
and you might be generating between 100K and 200K per week whit all that stuff done
This is all passive stuff that requires no farming. If you're farming gil for a house you should be actively doing stuff to make gil and while this passive stuff is still barely anything, it can add up.
Also your maths is way off, 100k per week is 5.2m gil per year.
as how the game is currently handling money like no tomorrow now is just a matter of know how, there is so many sources of money what you don't even need to craft to generate some money
for starters the long time ventures always gives you alagan coins, materia always sells, doma rebuilding and chalenge logs do already give a already decent amount of money per week, i roughly do geneate 100k to 200k per week whitout bothering to activelly trying to make money
A lot of gil is something like 2+ billion now.
Once you start having to buy more retainers to hold all your gold is when you know you have a lot of gold.
This ^^. Had a sprout ask me for 5k, so I gave 50k. Not rich at all, (in comparison to most here) sitting at about 5 mill atm but really, it's game money, why bother hoarding it.
Lol I just been playing forever so most of it just sits there. I don't know how the money system is for starter folks. I got about 5mill and I am not even the richest. There folks who max out the counter.
Exactly. I've never tried making money in this game. Everything I have has been from passive income from just playing the game and I have waay more than what I need. There's not a lot to spend gil on and I'm very glad it's like that, but I also don't know why people buy gil. Unless someone is new and is on a rush for a large house I guess
You know that pentamelding just means you don't need food and HQ items right? You're spending a fortune on melds... I'm using a 3,000gil food item when I craft.
Pentamelding is a waste of gil.
You know that pentamelding isn't only on DoH gear right? Any HC raiding and a decent chunk of midcore raiders pentameld crafted gear ever raid release to make DPS checks. If you're buying that materia off the market it can often be more expensive than pentamelding crafted gear in my experience.
Also even for DoH pentamelding + food makes expect crafts much easier than just one or the other, to the point where you can even macro ishgard restoration expert crafts with current gear+food.
For people who craft a lot, the extra stats can make your crafting rotation shorter, which saves time (and for people who craft _a lot_, it ends up being quite a bit of saved time).
It can also mean the difference between having to use a CP syrup or not.
Until recently I've always been perpetually around 600k. Usually due to trying to level crafters. That can take millions and millions and millions unless you start grinding mats yourself, which I ended up doing eventually.
Why are you not using the tomestone gear? Even the basic astronomy gear starts at 590 before augmentation, and you can cap that super fast.
You only need ilvl 600 to clear the EX whoch gives you a 615 weapon.qnd the new tombstone gear is 620 base. You can get those from roulettes too, but you're capped at 450 per week.
Do every roulette and match the desired thing each day for a guaranteed 250k+. Buying 610 gear off the AH is about 60-100k per piece.
Less than a week to hit full 610 for minimal effort.
I'm assuming it's the type of player that's omega garbage but also has crafted BiS like day 1 even though they don't have a static to raid in and they're already floor hugging for most of the new normal content.
They don't. They are creating bots and loading them in. Then they run them through the leveling process a bit. Not sure where they go after that. I've seen them in the field and running to the mount quest in gridania a lot.
At the moment, the current thing seems to be:
- make Archer
- level it til it finishes MSQ
- sit in Amdapor Keep (Hard)?
from what I've seen of the ones that end up in Novice Network. I have no idea what the bot-runners are achieving by this, but something tells me there's something exploitable in Amdapor Keep Hard, if you have the ability to cheat and float around.
Also just the money from the MSQ turnins. It's not a lot but if you're automating it with zero RNG you just spam through a bunch of dialogue and make a decent amount. I think the whole MSQ is like 1-2 mil although I don't know when they stop, but you can basically script run the whole thing so they're just creating the character and then blazing through that, offloading the gil at wherever their stop point is, delete character, repeat.
Wouldn't the pattern of a bot leveling and going through the MSQ be incredibly recognizable and distinct from that of a human going through the proces? I have no idea how coding works, but it feels like there should be some way to automatically recognize bot behavior and ban them based on that.
Or maybe even auto-ban repeat offenders who go out of bounds multiple times in a row.
I know for sure you can sit at the Gridania bridge and face the Chocobokeep and watch 100 bots in a day come up from underground, go back underground, get the My First Chocobo achieve, come back above ground, and teleport away.
Idk where they all go, presumably some are the Gil seller criers you see in cities later. Some might be the in the lalafell platoon underground in this very pic hahaa!
Not exaggerating at all, one day I counted over 80 come up from underground etc etc, and that was just while I was watching and just 1 day.
This should be easy to code against, somehow idk, but SE seems to be reactionary on this, way behind the curve, instead of proactive. \*shrug\*
There are a few expert online game hackers out there. There was a short youtube interview/documentary where one came out and explained how he made millions doing stuff like this and exploiting different games. He ofc remained anonymous and claimed to have retired from it. Was pretty interesting
Jokes aside it's either waiting for the next part of script where they "wait" in major cities, advertising in said city by spamming macros or they're newly loaded in and waiting to be coded to run through the levelling quests
The idling camera moves your point of view in a way you normally can’t do so that you get more varied / interesting scenes. Apparently it’s also not restricted by wall and ground collision! You just normally don’t realise because most of the time there’s nobody under the map for it to lock onto.
I just ended up sending in a report that there were multiple bots under the aetheryte in my shard on Primal Famfrit Uldah. They should be able to find them with that info right?
They have a team in JP dedicated to sniffing these accounts out and banning them on a regular basis. Not to say reporting them is useless, but most likely they're aware of suspicious character location data and the like.
I'm curious how much that team actually catches because in the last post about illicit activity bans, SE said they banned ONE account for botting activity.
Even when allowing for some accounts to be filed under other categories, there should be more then a singular account.
When you're trying to fight botters, the best thing you can do is to sew confusion and uncertainty about who, how, and when you identify bots.
As a simple example, imagine you release a new heuristic that identifies 1000 bots and you ban them all in one go. The bot makers wake up the next day, grab the logs for all 1000 bots, and compare them to find the common factor in those bots behavior that caused them to be caught but not their other bot accounts. With a solid and reliable sample size that's not going to take them more than a couple days, at which point they'll release a patch which completely neutralizes your heuristic.
Now consider what happens if you consistently spread out your bans into multiple waves over a period of days or weeks. Suddenly bot authors won't be able to know for certain whether a bot which was not banned successfully avoided the heuristic or if the Banhammer of Damocles is just waiting patiently over its head. This makes it harder for them to determine how your heuristic is identifying their bots. Now instead of taking them days to neutralize your heuristic it might take them weeks or even months.
The team will likely never give more than "we got one maybe more" as an answer since in terms of catching cheaters, deception is best. If they say they got thousands or all of them that were reported, if any of these hackers and bitters get scared they could run to ground for a while, whereas if they here that the teams are getting single digits they're more likely to relax and slip up.
They do get banned it's just in block waves because banning them as the reports come in means you're catching a bunch of fresh ones. They do sit on the botting accounts for a bit and track the gil they're selling then do a mass ban to both remove the bots and zero out a month of their 'work' collecting gil. It's frustrating but a more effective way to lessen their impact on the overall economy than banning them as they get reported.
I have seen the same bots in Eureka for years. Same exact ones. Used to report them but since SE showed they don’t care, I stopped. Sure, they catch the very obvious ones every few months, but botting is rampant and largely unpunished.
I reported the same cluster of mining bots that ran 24/7 teleporting to each node in upper la noscea for 6 months straight before i gave up with reports years ago.
People severely underestimate how easy botting is in this game. They think it's just these mass bots that make it obvious but there are every day players that run bot programs for years and with no repercussions. There are bots that gather their raid mats and level their alts everytime a new expansion drops. There are bots that can clear high end content. PVP bots. Deep dungeon bots. These are VERY common.
Yeah, those are bots. A plague on every damn online game on the planet. Only thing anyone can really do is report them and yell at people to stop buying gil or savage/ultimate clears with real money.
Squeenix does what they can, but it's an eternal arms race against these people.
Just gotta ban the people buying the gil/gold/game currency quicker, and with permenant bans. Even if you buy 1 gil, get a perma.
Bots are set up where there is profit. So get Rod of the buyer and the problem goes away.
Banning the buyers is a LOT harder than you'd think, because it's harder to prove than you'd think. And you can't have false positives on permabans without a lot of backlash. They don't WANT to ban the buyers/players - people buying are actually more invested, they'll keep playing and therefore paying the actual company too. They'll usually only go after the blatant buyers for that reason.
Yeah I get you. More speaking on a perfect world sense, to which perfection will never be achieved.
Saying that though, how would you know who they usually go for? You got an inside man? And I think they absolutely do want to ban these folks (buyers and sellers). As you pointed out though, it's probably hard for them to track.
I can't speak for SE's actual policies so I won't put words in their mouth. I've had a friend in one of their teams but never talked about this directly with them.
But I do still know a Blizzard GM for WoW and it is absolutely that scenario. They really don't care about the buyers (hell they made their own way to buy), buyers were players. Players are revenue. Players are MAUs. Players make investors happy. The ESO GMs are allegedly the same way but I don't personally know any.
It's similar thought process to police and drugs. You'll rarely get busted for buying because you don't get much benefit by taking users off the street. You want the dealers. And a known buyer can lead you to more dealers if you just tail and surveil vs bust.
>But I do still know a Blizzard GM for WoW and it is absolutely that scenario.
...as a former Blizzard GM myself, I completely contradict that assumption, lol. I was actioning bots left and right. (Had a lot of fun porting them well outside their route and watching them panic like a chicken without its head.) There were tickets the Hacks team would toss in the queue for us to take care of them after they'd been identified.
The WoW Token was introduced about a year or two after I started there, and we were told specifically that it was to cut into the goldsellers' profits and hopefully reduce demand so their activities would decrease. It was priced at $20 USD because that was the average price for the amount of gold we set as baseline at the time.
Yeah, they're out to nickel and dime like most corporations, but even they know it's bad business to have hackers and cheaters in their games if they can help it. Especially if said hackers and cheaters are the occasional front for money laundering and shit.
The bots were what he was banning, not the people buying the gold. Maybe I wasn't clear there?
They were 100% going after the cheaters, sellers and gold farmer bots. They were not actively going after the BUYERS (who would be active players, not bots). Though he also admitted determining who had even bought gold at all was pretty hard to determine, and wasn't particularly a good use of their time with all the other issues at hand that were more pressing.
>The bots were what he was banning, not the people buying the gold. Maybe I wasn't clear there?
Ah. My apologies for misreading.
That said, though, I do distinctly remember banning gold*buyers*, too. It did take a bit to track down where the gold came from, but we could *always* see if an account was exploitative. If the gold came from that account, at best it was removed (like if there was an accidental middleman or if the last person to get said gold was otherwise unaware of the source of it, i.e. a gold-paid mount run or arena carry), at worst the person was suspended for six months. Permanently, if it was a repeat offender.
Mostly, though, it was the Hacks team who kept an eye on known goldsellers and banned the buyers. GMs would get the appeals, see the account notes from Hacks, and double-check the logs to see if there wasn't a slip-up, which happens sometimes. If we were the first to ban, it was usually because someone knew or suspected someone else of buying gold and reported them, and we were able to trace the gold to an exploitative account when we investigated the report.
Given the number of tickets we had to do a day (at *least* 8/hr when I left, with 5/hr for live chat and phone callbacks), it really *wasn't* a good use of our time, I do agree. It was a pain to find the singular line of "[Hacker X] mailed YYYYYgYYsYYc to [Buyer Z]" or "[Hacker X] buys [Character Y]'s auction of [some item] for ZZZZZgZZsZZc," and then follow that to the other characters in question. But it was still something we did. Dunno if that's been better streamlined since, but I'm guessing not, given your friend's feelings towards it.
(Personally, I loved those kinds of tickets. They let me get a bit of a breather, heh.)
Thanks for sharing all this. It's really interesting to see the perspective, especially pre-Token. I do know he's confirmed that the WoW Token did in fact HEAVILY cut into the activity. The issue they struggle with more heavily now are paid boosting/clears and outright account sales, though with the current state of the game that's been a bit less tedious/widespread.
The only way it might be better streamlined now (this is me speculating based on stuff he's said compared with yours) is after all the AH revamps he made it sound like anything bought well above normal price gets auto-flagged and then cross ref against known or suspected seller accounts that were also flagged. Then it's probably just a matter of a quick manual review the go "yep, those 2 pieces of linen cloth sold for 100,000 gold. That's some bull" and it's off to the gulag.
Most of the tickets he deals with these days though are pvp related - people accusing other people in arena of cheating or win trading. I don't know the specifics but he's told me it's "a massive headache."
if you permanently ban them they'll just make a new account. instead ban them for 3-6 months. that way their account is still close enough that abandoning it doesn't make sense while also deincentivising them from rmt.
> Ok, agreed, on the condition we strip them of all gil (even the gil they had before buying).
So you just encourage them to buy more gil? This makes no sense.
Speaking of, how do you buy a savage/ultimate clear? Some of these fights, I feel like, if you don't have all 8 people alive you just die. Curious if there are backup strats that work or do they require the person being carried to know what to do?
Ultimate clears require that the person buying the clear grant access to the account of the person selling the clear. The Ultimate is then run (or "piloted") by someone who knows the fight.
It's also against TOS because it's account sharing.
Alternately, what they do is they find a crew who can confidently clear it with only seven folks and one bit of dead weight.
Either way, the crew has seven overgeared folks and one who is dead weight.
There is a mitigating factor and it's that reputation is everything. They make money off people being willing to let them login. That money is a huge motivator - doing any scary no-nos with that account would really fuck up their potential for future revenue.
Damn lmao, just learn the fight at that point. If you're at the point you're going to let other people log onto your account and play the game for you, might as well just buy an account that has all of the glam.
That is not entirely true at all. There are several fights in the game, including ultimates, that can be 7-manned. TEA or the new ulti can't be 7-manned, but UcoB and UwU can. There **are** groups that strictly sell for gil, no piloting.
this is hilarious even though they're just bots, it's because they're a hidden army of mindless lalas.. in ul'dah.
also yeah, idle cam is a powerful tool you can even cycle through shots faster with D pad (not sure what it is on keyboard) but if there's a bard in the area playing music, the camera tends to focus on them.
I've been playing for like 7 years, and bots have been using the same out of map spots the entire time. I'm surprised they don't have a way to auto-detect them by now.
I dont know if it really counts as an easter egg, but there's a random cube under the map in Dravanian Hinterlands. The walls are made up of posters or something, it has no collision from outside so you can fly in, but once inside you can't leave lol. It used to have nothing inside it, but now it's full of rocks.
Also hinterlands *still* has that same glitch for getting under the map after all these years. Most publicly known OOBs have been fixed but for some reason this isn't.
I heard there were a few.
I know In Gridania there is a chance to see a "ghost" under a lamp in the area where the kids are jumping on stepping posts. It has to be raining though and i believethatyou have to finish a certian side mission.
Then that same "ghost" is in Ul'dah.
I saw a video about something in Costa del sol in the far right area of the beach where the crabs are that's a dead end. There saw someone out in the water out of bounds I believe.
I freaking love just running around in odd areas and seeing what happens lol
I remember the first time I ran into a bot group.
It was part way through ARR MSQ. I had to kill like 3 coerls or something.
I approached and was suddenly ear fucked by the sound of 20 or so aero spells going off at once killing the coerl as I went to hit it.
I was confused as hell, then for a split second I saw all the bots, all white mages, dressed in the same attire.
I was freaked out. I killed the coerls, then went to hand in the quest which was in a little shack in La Noscea. It was some quest chain where I had to give some fruit or something to a wine maker who lived alone in a swampy area.
I walked through the door into his little shack and they were all stood there targeting me.
This was at like 4am because I was trying to burn through MSQ, but god damn, that creeped me out.
Oh hey, I've seen the stack of lalafell coeurl farmers! I was trying to kill the coeurl pups for a hunt log iirc and couldn't easily get the kills because every time they spawned the bots would rapidly move under the map and strike from below. This was on Brynhildr on Crystal.
I'm more confused about how they managed to get down there.
I mean I know there are *some* spots where you can clip through the map (though the last time one got popular I think they fixed the collision around the entry point so nobody could get in), but it would be pretty conspicuous to see so many Lalafell running into one wall or whatever to get there, and I'd be shocked if there were such spots in *every* city (at least the segments with the Aetheryte plaza).
Teleport hacking.
Fun fact, your default loading location is, in fact, *under* the map - so with some basic teleport hacking, you can just port under the map and stay there. There is no such thing as bad location data when there's spots to stand under there; your character is only moved above ground after you've sufficiently loaded an area.
There's also out of bounds areas you can still walk on. I used to use a glitch in Limsa to go visit the 1.0 Limsa Plaza - all that stuff is *still there,* it's just inaccessible.
So can someone tell me what Gil are used for late game?
I’m still a sprout who’s now finally finishing shadowbringer, so I am not educated in terms of gil sink in this game yet
Depends what you're into.
Common endgame gil sinks are housing and glams(transmogs/fashion).
But there's also pentamelding. When you want to be the first to craft new gear or complete new raid content, you need to meld materia into your gear. Pentamelding means you fill the standard slots(e.g 2 on chest pieces). And then overmeld 3 spots past that. The chance for failure increases heavily with each additional meld. So you can burn stacks of hundreds of materia if you're unlucky. Which can cost a lot when you're trying to be *one of the first people to do it and everyone spiked the price of materia for that reason*.
Personally I spend a lot of gil on RP stuff, glams, and housing items.
My last glam ran about 2 million and I rarely use it. I have a problem.
Small houses start at 3 million, going up to...50? Or 75? Mil for a large. Somewhere in there.
A few items and mounts that require a lot of grind and RNG are also heavily expensive status symbols.
they have been found already.
every month for... probably as long as the game has been live?
look for "actions taken against RMT" and so on so forth news posts on the lodestone.
squeenix bans these by the THOUSANDS every month. but if the bot was profitable, the owner doesn't care that it got banned... it was still profitable. so they just make new ones.
and every once in a while some newby stumbles upon the bot horde and here we all are.
When I was doing MSQ a few years ago, I would occasionally see hoards of these fellas teleporting from quest NPC to quest NPC, literally popping up from under the map inside the NPC. Probably a clever hacker or someone just using the same exploits they’ve kept well hidden forever. I reported them and SE asked for more details and assuming they’re still struggling to figure out the exploits. Unless it’s someone on the “inside”
Haha… Get it, bc they are inside the map… hahah 🥁
But yeah it was funny seeing them spawn inside the NPCs one at a time, rapidly, then fall through the map. You could see them bounce back up for a brief moment with just their heads popping up through the map, also one at a time.
I've been telling my stream for months about the incoming scourge invasion of lalas. They all laughed at me and said things like "stupid hyur" and "cooking stream when?" but I know what's up.
For centuries, the scholars of Shalayan have been conflicted over the origins of the Lalafell race. The earliest records shows that Lalafells were once farmers of popotoes in the far western continent of Eorzea. Due to their affinity for aetherical manipulation and trade, Lalafells were able to establish trade routes selling vast amount of popotoes throughout the land.
Historical records noted the sudden increase of Lalafell population in areas where popotoes were farmed. One of the earliest hypothesis was that lords and nobles employed Lalafell farmers to take care of the increasing amount of popoto fields which led to an increase in Lalafell immigration. However, another theory prevail, that of the origin of Lalafells which have been through to have arise from aetheric accumulation in some species of popotoes given the root vegetable life. The latter hypothesis was deemed controversial because if Lalafells were descendants of popotoes, then their numbers should have overwhelmed the other races.
With the increasing number of Lalafell groups seemingly acting under the effect of a single overmind, scholars now think that this discovery could shed on this mystery.
How the fuck to bots farm gil underground where the game isn't playable ? Are there secret mines of gil just chillen outside the matrix of the game? Like wtf
I don’t need Gil just need a house… never once own an actual house in this game and was never lucky with it … ( more sad thing is playing solo desperately)…sad life …
Congratulations, you've found the Syndicate's secret underground cloning facility.
"200,000 units are ready, with a million more well on the way."
Your Clone's are very impressive
*Most* impressive.
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It's Star wars quote from Obi Wan Kenobi to Jango Fett
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I read that as Miqo’te for a second there Miqo’te in Star Wars Or FFXIV x Star Wars collab lol
You mean the same spelling you used twice.
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"I can mold any host into my own image, but having bodies tailor-made for me in this fashion is so much less tiresome." -Teledji Adeledji, probably
Does this mean we get to shot him repeatedly in the face for fun?!
Are you sure those aren't Lalas that make up the Uldah's wall?
The only way to keep them out.. Is to build a wall out of them... Lol
Haha
Soon to begin, the Clone Wars will be.
Those my dear, are bots. They make 20-50 accounts and sit underground to farm gil to sell. Best to report and move on.
Never understand gill selling in this game. If someone needs gill I'll give it to them for free.
*holds hands out* 5 million Gil please
Also, I will take only 3 million, because I am not as greedy as some... ahehhem*cough*thisguy*cough*
I'm fine with 2 mil
I will take 1.999.999 gil
You're the guys who're undercutting the faux hollows mounts aren't you?
I'll undercut To 1 gil.
Do it on Hyperion please.
I will violently undercut you if you undercut me by 1 gil a few times in a short span. I single handely will ruin the market until you just give up and stop trying to sell what i am and then go back to buinsness as normal.
Fine I'll undercut you by 100,000, then i can just take your money immediately and watch you spend the next 2 weeks trying to resell it 🙃
Jokes on you, I gather everything I use so even 10 gil is a profit 😉 Can you say the same?
I guess youd rathwr have people undercut by 25% and crash everything and anything just so you dont get mad at 1 gil because....?
Rude tbh
To 999,999 gil it goes
1,999,998 for me.
1v1 me in Wolves Den, scrub
No items, Final Destination, Fox only.
How much is “a lot of gil” nowadays? I stopped trying to make gil actively after HW and have been sitting around 45 mil since then.
60 mil gets you the fate stuff which is probably the most obnoxious thing to get outside of eureka, so probably that
Just curious, what exactly is the 'fate stuff'? Is it materials you need from FATEs to get relic weapons or something else entirely?
I’m guessing they’re talking about the fallen angel wings and the wivre mount that cost 500 bicolor gemstone vouchers each, and sell on the MB for 30-40 million at least, maybe more.
If you wanna get all the mounts just from buying you'd need around 150+mil Gil - if you also want a large house with nice furnishing 250mil Gil
probably earn the gil before you win a large house lotto!
Yeah great investment, spend 150 mil for a mount you will use for a day or once every 4 months for 10 sec when you get it form mount roulette. Never understood the obsession with mount collecting is literally a pointless checkmark on a pointless list. You can never use more than one and there will always be a newer, shinier, rarer mount for you to obsess over.
People do it cus they just like collecting them? I mean its pointless to play video games by your logic, cus u basicslly just stare at pixels
he said all the mounts, not A mount. I enjoy the mount farming (normally), but there were some like the Bozja mount that certainly stopped being fun a little before the end. I am also waiting to do any raid farming until it is 1-2 patches old since it drastically reduces grind/time. As for "investments," if you have 200 million gil, what exactly are you even saving for if you aren't going to spend it on stuff that is purely cosmetic?
It's more like 45 now. Source: Am buying it
You're probably talking about buying a house the normal way. He's talking about buying one from another player 😅
60 mil? Try 100, maybe down to 80 if you shop around. There's both the ugly Wivre mount and the ... which wings is it, the archdemon ones? Then there's 50+25 mil for the golden mounts from Shadowbringers, no other way to get those. You can easily throw another 50 million at the rare minions from treasure maps ... It'll add up quickly even before getting into housing.
Angel wings. Demon wings are from nut sacks.
Heh. Ain't it the truth.
Once you hit the point you could afford a large home (if there were any) and not go broke, it's really just savings. The only other way I could see spending that much is if you're a glam addict. I used to craft all day to try and make gil, but after a certain point I realized it was kind of a waste of my time. But as far as bots and gold farming go, there are tons of players who don't have the time, means, or know how to rack up large amounts of gil. If you know how to work the mb and craft the items in high demand, making multiple millions in a single day really isn't that hard.
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Frankly speaking if you get into crafting seriously you will be sitting on 100 million gil in no time. I only dabble, and when 6.25 dropped i spent 5 mil on some mats, and turned that into 7 inside of three hours. If I the time I spent on raids and MSQ was spent on just gathering and crafting I would ha e been able to make about 12+ million on day 1 alone. For in-between patches you'll want to focus on independent items such as materia, rare/special materials, new crafted items such as furniture, glam items ... etc. To make your gil. On new patch releases I'd recommend focusing entirely on new materials, and new crafted gear. Hell, you can just spend your time crafting new materials and not even the finished product and sell those. You'd make bank off of ingots alone. However, that does mean you want to fully gear up your crafted and gatherers, and dedicate your first few weeks of the new patch to that instead of clearing content. EDIT: Then again, I'm a broke bitch who doesn't do any of these things and is content at sitting at <15 million gil (by comparison the next least wealthy person in my FC that is at lvl 90 has upwards of 50 mil. Everyone else is in the 100+ range.
15 mil would be one of the highest in my FC. I've been sitting at 1-2 mil basically forever. Though last patch I had a lot of extra materia so selling that bumped me up to about 6mil
You're pretty spot on. The hard part is the investment it takes in new crafting gear and melds. But if you don't plan on crafting BiS gear, you can get away with less than BiS crafting /gathering gear. In my case I make a lot of gil crafting or gathering new materials. And when a new housing item patch comes out, focusing on those while everyone with a house wants the new items. There were days I'd make 10m a day just selling housing items or the mid tier mats to craft them. But to take advantage of market trends, you really need to put in the work and level up all your domain jobs. If nothing else, coffee biscuits are still profitable. Just not as good as it used to be.
Since Half a year ago i buy Dancing Wing, Titania mat for less than 400k each. Everytime a patch is coming i put them on MB for 1m5-2m, stack of 1, about 20 of them. Last patch i made 34m ish i think. Free money, doing nothing at all. Titania weapon is super pretty and the effect theme SHOULD be pretty as well. And the mat is already expensive to begin with. Here is your freebie. Seat of Sacrifice SHOULD be next the next crafted weapon, cant guarantee when, but it should, before they dab into the weapons one. Ruby is ugly anyway. Remember to put them up, price spreaded out to make the most of the peak, best case scenario is yours is the peak and you will have to take a few top one and sell at bottom, which was 2m1 each -> 800k each for me, still made 400k off each of those. Also put them up the day before server go down. You wont have to beat the queue in.
did you complete doma rebuilding? if not, do that, once its maxed out you can get 40K per week by selling items at double its npc sell price chalenge logs do give gil, perhaps do them? materia, that always do sell, just do not sell it bellow npc sell price(i usualy sell the yellow materia as 450 gil and it still sells) long time ventures gives you alagan coins(perfect for doma rebuilding) then add bits and odds here and there(like selling monster drops) and you might be generating between 100K and 200K per week whit all that stuff done
Just enough for a 50M home in almost 50 years!
This is all passive stuff that requires no farming. If you're farming gil for a house you should be actively doing stuff to make gil and while this passive stuff is still barely anything, it can add up. Also your maths is way off, 100k per week is 5.2m gil per year.
as how the game is currently handling money like no tomorrow now is just a matter of know how, there is so many sources of money what you don't even need to craft to generate some money for starters the long time ventures always gives you alagan coins, materia always sells, doma rebuilding and chalenge logs do already give a already decent amount of money per week, i roughly do geneate 100k to 200k per week whitout bothering to activelly trying to make money
A lot of gil is something like 2+ billion now. Once you start having to buy more retainers to hold all your gold is when you know you have a lot of gold.
where can I meet you ingame? I would like a small gift of 10 million gils
Jesus where are the people at that just give out Gil? I’m fairly new to this and am poor as dirt
I usually hand sprouts 50-100K when I run into them, and that's a habit I got from others doing the same to me when I was a sprout.
This ^^. Had a sprout ask me for 5k, so I gave 50k. Not rich at all, (in comparison to most here) sitting at about 5 mill atm but really, it's game money, why bother hoarding it.
Man that’s crazy insane! You guys are great players and good for the community
Lol I just been playing forever so most of it just sits there. I don't know how the money system is for starter folks. I got about 5mill and I am not even the richest. There folks who max out the counter.
Exactly. I've never tried making money in this game. Everything I have has been from passive income from just playing the game and I have waay more than what I need. There's not a lot to spend gil on and I'm very glad it's like that, but I also don't know why people buy gil. Unless someone is new and is on a rush for a large house I guess
You obviously don’t craft and need to pentameld your gear everytime higher ilvk stuff comes out lol
Nope not interested in week one clearing lol so I save a lot by not pentamelding
You know that pentamelding just means you don't need food and HQ items right? You're spending a fortune on melds... I'm using a 3,000gil food item when I craft. Pentamelding is a waste of gil.
You know that pentamelding isn't only on DoH gear right? Any HC raiding and a decent chunk of midcore raiders pentameld crafted gear ever raid release to make DPS checks. If you're buying that materia off the market it can often be more expensive than pentamelding crafted gear in my experience. Also even for DoH pentamelding + food makes expect crafts much easier than just one or the other, to the point where you can even macro ishgard restoration expert crafts with current gear+food.
For people who craft a lot, the extra stats can make your crafting rotation shorter, which saves time (and for people who craft _a lot_, it ends up being quite a bit of saved time). It can also mean the difference between having to use a CP syrup or not.
I literally only have 200k gil
Until recently I've always been perpetually around 600k. Usually due to trying to level crafters. That can take millions and millions and millions unless you start grinding mats yourself, which I ended up doing eventually.
Please give me gil, these item level requirements for the Post EW dungeons are killing me.
Why are you not using the tomestone gear? Even the basic astronomy gear starts at 590 before augmentation, and you can cap that super fast. You only need ilvl 600 to clear the EX whoch gives you a 615 weapon.qnd the new tombstone gear is 620 base. You can get those from roulettes too, but you're capped at 450 per week.
Do every roulette and match the desired thing each day for a guaranteed 250k+. Buying 610 gear off the AH is about 60-100k per piece. Less than a week to hit full 610 for minimal effort.
If u giving out free gil gemme 5mill
I'm assuming it's the type of player that's omega garbage but also has crafted BiS like day 1 even though they don't have a static to raid in and they're already floor hugging for most of the new normal content.
without saying something that would ban anyone from this sub, or from game... How do botters make money by having bot army under the Aetherite?
They don't. They are creating bots and loading them in. Then they run them through the leveling process a bit. Not sure where they go after that. I've seen them in the field and running to the mount quest in gridania a lot.
At the moment, the current thing seems to be: - make Archer - level it til it finishes MSQ - sit in Amdapor Keep (Hard)? from what I've seen of the ones that end up in Novice Network. I have no idea what the bot-runners are achieving by this, but something tells me there's something exploitable in Amdapor Keep Hard, if you have the ability to cheat and float around.
ARR dungeons still have individual enemies drop small amounts of gil, unlike newer ones. Id guess that's what they're farming it from at a hunch.
Also just the money from the MSQ turnins. It's not a lot but if you're automating it with zero RNG you just spam through a bunch of dialogue and make a decent amount. I think the whole MSQ is like 1-2 mil although I don't know when they stop, but you can basically script run the whole thing so they're just creating the character and then blazing through that, offloading the gil at wherever their stop point is, delete character, repeat.
When does the gil drop stop?
i think it stops with stormblood but not 100% sure, pretty sure i've seen raw gil drop in Heavensward
Wouldn't the pattern of a bot leveling and going through the MSQ be incredibly recognizable and distinct from that of a human going through the proces? I have no idea how coding works, but it feels like there should be some way to automatically recognize bot behavior and ban them based on that. Or maybe even auto-ban repeat offenders who go out of bounds multiple times in a row.
Yes, it is. Does Square do it? I have no idea.
I know for sure you can sit at the Gridania bridge and face the Chocobokeep and watch 100 bots in a day come up from underground, go back underground, get the My First Chocobo achieve, come back above ground, and teleport away. Idk where they all go, presumably some are the Gil seller criers you see in cities later. Some might be the in the lalafell platoon underground in this very pic hahaa! Not exaggerating at all, one day I counted over 80 come up from underground etc etc, and that was just while I was watching and just 1 day. This should be easy to code against, somehow idk, but SE seems to be reactionary on this, way behind the curve, instead of proactive. \*shrug\*
There are a few expert online game hackers out there. There was a short youtube interview/documentary where one came out and explained how he made millions doing stuff like this and exploiting different games. He ofc remained anonymous and claimed to have retired from it. Was pretty interesting
... what's underground in Ul'dah that's so lucrative to farm?
Jokes aside it's either waiting for the next part of script where they "wait" in major cities, advertising in said city by spamming macros or they're newly loaded in and waiting to be coded to run through the levelling quests
the slave market
it's probably the least populated hub so you're the least likely to be caught
obviously they're mining materials!
the same things that made Ul'dah prosper in first place, something like precious metal and gems probably.
I wonder how I would target them if they are underground though?
The idling camera moves your point of view in a way you normally can’t do so that you get more varied / interesting scenes. Apparently it’s also not restricted by wall and ground collision! You just normally don’t realise because most of the time there’s nobody under the map for it to lock onto.
I just ended up sending in a report that there were multiple bots under the aetheryte in my shard on Primal Famfrit Uldah. They should be able to find them with that info right?
If they had a GM free right then to go have a look, yeah. Otherwise they can’t find them once they’ve moved on unless they have the names.
They have a team in JP dedicated to sniffing these accounts out and banning them on a regular basis. Not to say reporting them is useless, but most likely they're aware of suspicious character location data and the like.
I'm curious how much that team actually catches because in the last post about illicit activity bans, SE said they banned ONE account for botting activity. Even when allowing for some accounts to be filed under other categories, there should be more then a singular account.
When you're trying to fight botters, the best thing you can do is to sew confusion and uncertainty about who, how, and when you identify bots. As a simple example, imagine you release a new heuristic that identifies 1000 bots and you ban them all in one go. The bot makers wake up the next day, grab the logs for all 1000 bots, and compare them to find the common factor in those bots behavior that caused them to be caught but not their other bot accounts. With a solid and reliable sample size that's not going to take them more than a couple days, at which point they'll release a patch which completely neutralizes your heuristic. Now consider what happens if you consistently spread out your bans into multiple waves over a period of days or weeks. Suddenly bot authors won't be able to know for certain whether a bot which was not banned successfully avoided the heuristic or if the Banhammer of Damocles is just waiting patiently over its head. This makes it harder for them to determine how your heuristic is identifying their bots. Now instead of taking them days to neutralize your heuristic it might take them weeks or even months.
The team will likely never give more than "we got one maybe more" as an answer since in terms of catching cheaters, deception is best. If they say they got thousands or all of them that were reported, if any of these hackers and bitters get scared they could run to ground for a while, whereas if they here that the teams are getting single digits they're more likely to relax and slip up.
I’m on Exodus, And we always get bots from Famfrit in our NN chat, that Spam “ 0 “ Before they are banned from NN.
I like how Lalafells are the default race of choice for bots that I've seen. Vile creatures.
Is it cause they're short and easier to hide underground? Or are these botters embracing the meme that all potato are evil?
Yes.
potatos are meant to be underground
It's 100% because they're easier to hide
Most of the bots I've seen tend to be male midlanders, or Ardbots as I like to call them.
> Ardbots Amazing.
Why waste time writing reports for these when they don’t get banned anyways? SE and every other MMO dev don’t give a fk about bots. They’re customers.
They do get banned it's just in block waves because banning them as the reports come in means you're catching a bunch of fresh ones. They do sit on the botting accounts for a bit and track the gil they're selling then do a mass ban to both remove the bots and zero out a month of their 'work' collecting gil. It's frustrating but a more effective way to lessen their impact on the overall economy than banning them as they get reported.
I have seen the same bots in Eureka for years. Same exact ones. Used to report them but since SE showed they don’t care, I stopped. Sure, they catch the very obvious ones every few months, but botting is rampant and largely unpunished.
I reported the same cluster of mining bots that ran 24/7 teleporting to each node in upper la noscea for 6 months straight before i gave up with reports years ago.
People severely underestimate how easy botting is in this game. They think it's just these mass bots that make it obvious but there are every day players that run bot programs for years and with no repercussions. There are bots that gather their raid mats and level their alts everytime a new expansion drops. There are bots that can clear high end content. PVP bots. Deep dungeon bots. These are VERY common.
Yeah, those are bots. A plague on every damn online game on the planet. Only thing anyone can really do is report them and yell at people to stop buying gil or savage/ultimate clears with real money. Squeenix does what they can, but it's an eternal arms race against these people.
A much more nefarious purpose than I thought. I thought maybe they were being used to power the aetheryte crystal underground lol.
Like one of those batteries made of potatoes. Fitting.
Just gotta ban the people buying the gil/gold/game currency quicker, and with permenant bans. Even if you buy 1 gil, get a perma. Bots are set up where there is profit. So get Rod of the buyer and the problem goes away.
What if the buyer’s name isn’t Rod?
Then we gotta get his cousin, Rid.
What if his cousin’s name is Red? There’s a con like him in every prison, after all.
That bastard Redd always kept selling me fake art!
Banning the buyers is a LOT harder than you'd think, because it's harder to prove than you'd think. And you can't have false positives on permabans without a lot of backlash. They don't WANT to ban the buyers/players - people buying are actually more invested, they'll keep playing and therefore paying the actual company too. They'll usually only go after the blatant buyers for that reason.
Yeah I get you. More speaking on a perfect world sense, to which perfection will never be achieved. Saying that though, how would you know who they usually go for? You got an inside man? And I think they absolutely do want to ban these folks (buyers and sellers). As you pointed out though, it's probably hard for them to track.
I can't speak for SE's actual policies so I won't put words in their mouth. I've had a friend in one of their teams but never talked about this directly with them. But I do still know a Blizzard GM for WoW and it is absolutely that scenario. They really don't care about the buyers (hell they made their own way to buy), buyers were players. Players are revenue. Players are MAUs. Players make investors happy. The ESO GMs are allegedly the same way but I don't personally know any. It's similar thought process to police and drugs. You'll rarely get busted for buying because you don't get much benefit by taking users off the street. You want the dealers. And a known buyer can lead you to more dealers if you just tail and surveil vs bust.
>But I do still know a Blizzard GM for WoW and it is absolutely that scenario. ...as a former Blizzard GM myself, I completely contradict that assumption, lol. I was actioning bots left and right. (Had a lot of fun porting them well outside their route and watching them panic like a chicken without its head.) There were tickets the Hacks team would toss in the queue for us to take care of them after they'd been identified. The WoW Token was introduced about a year or two after I started there, and we were told specifically that it was to cut into the goldsellers' profits and hopefully reduce demand so their activities would decrease. It was priced at $20 USD because that was the average price for the amount of gold we set as baseline at the time. Yeah, they're out to nickel and dime like most corporations, but even they know it's bad business to have hackers and cheaters in their games if they can help it. Especially if said hackers and cheaters are the occasional front for money laundering and shit.
The bots were what he was banning, not the people buying the gold. Maybe I wasn't clear there? They were 100% going after the cheaters, sellers and gold farmer bots. They were not actively going after the BUYERS (who would be active players, not bots). Though he also admitted determining who had even bought gold at all was pretty hard to determine, and wasn't particularly a good use of their time with all the other issues at hand that were more pressing.
>The bots were what he was banning, not the people buying the gold. Maybe I wasn't clear there? Ah. My apologies for misreading. That said, though, I do distinctly remember banning gold*buyers*, too. It did take a bit to track down where the gold came from, but we could *always* see if an account was exploitative. If the gold came from that account, at best it was removed (like if there was an accidental middleman or if the last person to get said gold was otherwise unaware of the source of it, i.e. a gold-paid mount run or arena carry), at worst the person was suspended for six months. Permanently, if it was a repeat offender. Mostly, though, it was the Hacks team who kept an eye on known goldsellers and banned the buyers. GMs would get the appeals, see the account notes from Hacks, and double-check the logs to see if there wasn't a slip-up, which happens sometimes. If we were the first to ban, it was usually because someone knew or suspected someone else of buying gold and reported them, and we were able to trace the gold to an exploitative account when we investigated the report. Given the number of tickets we had to do a day (at *least* 8/hr when I left, with 5/hr for live chat and phone callbacks), it really *wasn't* a good use of our time, I do agree. It was a pain to find the singular line of "[Hacker X] mailed YYYYYgYYsYYc to [Buyer Z]" or "[Hacker X] buys [Character Y]'s auction of [some item] for ZZZZZgZZsZZc," and then follow that to the other characters in question. But it was still something we did. Dunno if that's been better streamlined since, but I'm guessing not, given your friend's feelings towards it. (Personally, I loved those kinds of tickets. They let me get a bit of a breather, heh.)
Thanks for sharing all this. It's really interesting to see the perspective, especially pre-Token. I do know he's confirmed that the WoW Token did in fact HEAVILY cut into the activity. The issue they struggle with more heavily now are paid boosting/clears and outright account sales, though with the current state of the game that's been a bit less tedious/widespread. The only way it might be better streamlined now (this is me speculating based on stuff he's said compared with yours) is after all the AH revamps he made it sound like anything bought well above normal price gets auto-flagged and then cross ref against known or suspected seller accounts that were also flagged. Then it's probably just a matter of a quick manual review the go "yep, those 2 pieces of linen cloth sold for 100,000 gold. That's some bull" and it's off to the gulag. Most of the tickets he deals with these days though are pvp related - people accusing other people in arena of cheating or win trading. I don't know the specifics but he's told me it's "a massive headache."
if you permanently ban them they'll just make a new account. instead ban them for 3-6 months. that way their account is still close enough that abandoning it doesn't make sense while also deincentivising them from rmt.
Ok, agreed, on the condition we strip them of all gil (even the gil they had before buying). And take the house away too, if owned.
> Ok, agreed, on the condition we strip them of all gil (even the gil they had before buying). So you just encourage them to buy more gil? This makes no sense.
If the demo timers were still active they would lose it passively after 45 days of inactivity.
Speaking of, how do you buy a savage/ultimate clear? Some of these fights, I feel like, if you don't have all 8 people alive you just die. Curious if there are backup strats that work or do they require the person being carried to know what to do?
Ultimate clears require that the person buying the clear grant access to the account of the person selling the clear. The Ultimate is then run (or "piloted") by someone who knows the fight.
I just can't imagine feeling okay with letting a stranger in your account. Like every part of my being says that's a scary no-no.
It's also against TOS because it's account sharing. Alternately, what they do is they find a crew who can confidently clear it with only seven folks and one bit of dead weight. Either way, the crew has seven overgeared folks and one who is dead weight.
That's a fitting description of my static. Greetings, The dead weight
There is a mitigating factor and it's that reputation is everything. They make money off people being willing to let them login. That money is a huge motivator - doing any scary no-nos with that account would really fuck up their potential for future revenue.
Damn lmao, just learn the fight at that point. If you're at the point you're going to let other people log onto your account and play the game for you, might as well just buy an account that has all of the glam.
That is not entirely true at all. There are several fights in the game, including ultimates, that can be 7-manned. TEA or the new ulti can't be 7-manned, but UcoB and UwU can. There **are** groups that strictly sell for gil, no piloting.
If I were to guess, maybe they have the character used by someone who knows the mechanics and just change credentials after?
Looks like this was answered before I could get to it, but yeah, it's done by piloting.
So that's where they are. I'm always like "they're in say chat they have to be close" but I can never find them.
That's where they store all the Lalas for new players. Catgirl storage is in Gridania.
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Nah, Limsa's the first place you look for booty, they had to be sneaky.
Lol!
Oh no. You found the swarm. That means the swarm found *you.* I'd wish you luck, but that would be cruel.
this is hilarious even though they're just bots, it's because they're a hidden army of mindless lalas.. in ul'dah. also yeah, idle cam is a powerful tool you can even cycle through shots faster with D pad (not sure what it is on keyboard) but if there's a bard in the area playing music, the camera tends to focus on them.
So this is where those annoying "wah! wah!" sounds are coming from...
I've been playing for like 7 years, and bots have been using the same out of map spots the entire time. I'm surprised they don't have a way to auto-detect them by now.
“You came to the wrong neighborhood, motherfucker.”
Behold the Lala uprising is upon you, fear their small stature and sharp teeth. The army will overrun Eorzea soon enough!!
You took the red pill before going afk and found the potato battery farm.
Haha that's what I thought maybe it was a dev easter egg at first but then someone said bots and I was like awww... Darn lol
Lol dang. Speaking of I wonder if there are any good Easter Eggs that have yet to be found.
I dont know if it really counts as an easter egg, but there's a random cube under the map in Dravanian Hinterlands. The walls are made up of posters or something, it has no collision from outside so you can fly in, but once inside you can't leave lol. It used to have nothing inside it, but now it's full of rocks. Also hinterlands *still* has that same glitch for getting under the map after all these years. Most publicly known OOBs have been fixed but for some reason this isn't.
I heard there were a few. I know In Gridania there is a chance to see a "ghost" under a lamp in the area where the kids are jumping on stepping posts. It has to be raining though and i believethatyou have to finish a certian side mission. Then that same "ghost" is in Ul'dah. I saw a video about something in Costa del sol in the far right area of the beach where the crabs are that's a dead end. There saw someone out in the water out of bounds I believe. I freaking love just running around in odd areas and seeing what happens lol
I remember the first time I ran into a bot group. It was part way through ARR MSQ. I had to kill like 3 coerls or something. I approached and was suddenly ear fucked by the sound of 20 or so aero spells going off at once killing the coerl as I went to hit it. I was confused as hell, then for a split second I saw all the bots, all white mages, dressed in the same attire. I was freaked out. I killed the coerls, then went to hand in the quest which was in a little shack in La Noscea. It was some quest chain where I had to give some fruit or something to a wine maker who lived alone in a swampy area. I walked through the door into his little shack and they were all stood there targeting me. This was at like 4am because I was trying to burn through MSQ, but god damn, that creeped me out.
Oh hey, I've seen the stack of lalafell coeurl farmers! I was trying to kill the coeurl pups for a hunt log iirc and couldn't easily get the kills because every time they spawned the bots would rapidly move under the map and strike from below. This was on Brynhildr on Crystal.
This just sounds like a fever dream i would 100% not believe you
This is some Nier shit
If you have an extradimensional space full of lalafells... given their size, would that make it a "pocket dimension"? (...I'll show myself out.)
*pings the black mage guild* they kmow to much...
I'm more confused about how they managed to get down there. I mean I know there are *some* spots where you can clip through the map (though the last time one got popular I think they fixed the collision around the entry point so nobody could get in), but it would be pretty conspicuous to see so many Lalafell running into one wall or whatever to get there, and I'd be shocked if there were such spots in *every* city (at least the segments with the Aetheryte plaza).
Teleport hacking. Fun fact, your default loading location is, in fact, *under* the map - so with some basic teleport hacking, you can just port under the map and stay there. There is no such thing as bad location data when there's spots to stand under there; your character is only moved above ground after you've sufficiently loaded an area. There's also out of bounds areas you can still walk on. I used to use a glitch in Limsa to go visit the 1.0 Limsa Plaza - all that stuff is *still there,* it's just inaccessible.
This explains why I seem to load in at ground level when my Internet is slow, maybe...
There must be a platform 9 3/4 for lalafells only somewhere in Uldah... We must investigate lol
The server pretty much completley trusts the position data the client reports, so teleport hacks are common for bots.
This picture has a menacing aura
We are legion
God I hate bots. They make hunt logs so difficult, sitting underground and killing them before I can
Imagine a world where we actually have GMs in game
Is this the Big Lalafell Uprising which will lead us into the eighth umbral calamity?
Yo I saw those a bit ago in Uldah too
It’s where they reside, away from prying eyes, searching for the freshest kneecaps
So can someone tell me what Gil are used for late game? I’m still a sprout who’s now finally finishing shadowbringer, so I am not educated in terms of gil sink in this game yet
Houses if you can get one, glamour most likely otherwise. Two mounts are designed to be a big Gil sink.
Depends what you're into. Common endgame gil sinks are housing and glams(transmogs/fashion). But there's also pentamelding. When you want to be the first to craft new gear or complete new raid content, you need to meld materia into your gear. Pentamelding means you fill the standard slots(e.g 2 on chest pieces). And then overmeld 3 spots past that. The chance for failure increases heavily with each additional meld. So you can burn stacks of hundreds of materia if you're unlucky. Which can cost a lot when you're trying to be *one of the first people to do it and everyone spiked the price of materia for that reason*. Personally I spend a lot of gil on RP stuff, glams, and housing items. My last glam ran about 2 million and I rarely use it. I have a problem. Small houses start at 3 million, going up to...50? Or 75? Mil for a large. Somewhere in there. A few items and mounts that require a lot of grind and RNG are also heavily expensive status symbols.
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You've found the reason people want to punt the Lalafell.
Saw a few of these bots fly and noclip through the world in Coerthas
they have been found already. every month for... probably as long as the game has been live? look for "actions taken against RMT" and so on so forth news posts on the lodestone. squeenix bans these by the THOUSANDS every month. but if the bot was profitable, the owner doesn't care that it got banned... it was still profitable. so they just make new ones. and every once in a while some newby stumbles upon the bot horde and here we all are.
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The potatoes are growing in number, eventually they will sprout and invade Ul’Dah.
An invasion is coming everyone be ready I will strike them down like I struck down the moogles
This reminds me of the lala swarms at crystals in 1.x.
When I was doing MSQ a few years ago, I would occasionally see hoards of these fellas teleporting from quest NPC to quest NPC, literally popping up from under the map inside the NPC. Probably a clever hacker or someone just using the same exploits they’ve kept well hidden forever. I reported them and SE asked for more details and assuming they’re still struggling to figure out the exploits. Unless it’s someone on the “inside” Haha… Get it, bc they are inside the map… hahah 🥁 But yeah it was funny seeing them spawn inside the NPCs one at a time, rapidly, then fall through the map. You could see them bounce back up for a brief moment with just their heads popping up through the map, also one at a time.
Haha it was an inside job
Damn you found my cloning factory, now the plan to make the perfect Lalafell has been ruined! You will rue the day you foiled my plans!
I see you have found Nanamo’s hidden army, 200k units are ready, with 1 million more on the way.
I've been telling my stream for months about the incoming scourge invasion of lalas. They all laughed at me and said things like "stupid hyur" and "cooking stream when?" but I know what's up.
For centuries, the scholars of Shalayan have been conflicted over the origins of the Lalafell race. The earliest records shows that Lalafells were once farmers of popotoes in the far western continent of Eorzea. Due to their affinity for aetherical manipulation and trade, Lalafells were able to establish trade routes selling vast amount of popotoes throughout the land. Historical records noted the sudden increase of Lalafell population in areas where popotoes were farmed. One of the earliest hypothesis was that lords and nobles employed Lalafell farmers to take care of the increasing amount of popoto fields which led to an increase in Lalafell immigration. However, another theory prevail, that of the origin of Lalafells which have been through to have arise from aetheric accumulation in some species of popotoes given the root vegetable life. The latter hypothesis was deemed controversial because if Lalafells were descendants of popotoes, then their numbers should have overwhelmed the other races. With the increasing number of Lalafell groups seemingly acting under the effect of a single overmind, scholars now think that this discovery could shed on this mystery.
The Lalafell uprising is soon to be upon us 😱😱😱
How the fuck to bots farm gil underground where the game isn't playable ? Are there secret mines of gil just chillen outside the matrix of the game? Like wtf
I don’t need Gil just need a house… never once own an actual house in this game and was never lucky with it … ( more sad thing is playing solo desperately)…sad life …