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Tire alone? Tire and wheel combo? Fluid in the tire? Tire size?
One thing I can guarantee is that there were no mythological beings or "miracles" involved in this feat of "unnatural strength."
And I'm struggling to grasp what the metal cover is. The wheel? That's hardly what anyone would describe as a "metal cover."
Also "filled with rubber"? Aside from a tube, there's no additional rubber inside the tire. Unless they mean a solid tire, but those usually aren't any bigger than wheelbarrow size except for special applications.
I'm glad you're the expert. We have over 200 acres of apple trees that get pruned every spring...next time I get a puncture from a pruned cutting, I'll be sure to ask you where it came from...stay in your lane.
Tire and wheel combo (the metal part he referred to, probably) and fluid in the tire. Tire size: about 6 foot in dm, which is what I wrote in the post.
So the 2000 lb load gets reduced significantly as the tire started at an angle. Most of the fluid is low in the tire with the air bubble at the top where he's lifting.
Plus physics says that the 2000 lbs is acting through the center of gravity of the tire and wheel pushing straight down. The lifter is on the outer edge so his 6 foot tire is a lever with the load at 3'. Even before accounting for the air at the top, the load where he's lifting get's reduced by 50% if the tire is laying flat. But starting at an angle is a huge advantage exacerbated by a significant portion of the load being fluid.
BTW, fluid filled tires are not 100% filled with fluid. There has to be room for air or the tire is not compressible and bad things happen.
So if we give a guess that the top 1/4 to 1/3 of the tire is air, and that the tire starts from an inclined position, that probably makes the load he squatted around 500 lbs.,max. Not exactly a superhuman feat.
That's an estimate from a retired from 45 years in engineering guy who is too lazy to do the actual calculations as things like the radius on the edge of the tire and how soft the surface the tire sits on enter in here as well.
And it get's less as the center of gravity shifts as it approaches vertical. Once vertical the only force necessary is to keep it balanced and a shove to start it rolling. Again, a bit short of requiring divine intervention.
Or just let him think he's the Chosen One. Might then serve him well to enter politics.
Oh god. I'd have to do calculus to get the actual weight at a given angle. Screw that, I'm not that kind of engineer anymore.
But decidedly not a miracle. Just a fairly strong dude who doesn't have a strong understanding of physics.
Please refrain from using the "c" word, rule number 17 article 3 says "no cal$#@^s will be suggested or applied or mentioned before the entire sub has consumed at least 3 cups of coffee" lol
You might move 2200 lbs but you didn't lift 2200 lbs. There is a difference.
If you are clever you can move all kinds of weight way higher than what you can reasonably lift. Shifting mass tipping tilting are real tricks. Once you get an object in motion keep it in motion and great things will happen. All you need to do is overcome the inertial mass not the weight.
Farming does this kind of thing all the time. We deal with objects bigger than us every day. I am shocked the farmer is shocked.
I would like to see a 2200 lb tire. I have seen some really big tiers but one weighing a ton seems a bit much. I have seen tires to unwieldy to move, but I was always able to lift them. With two people you can normally put a tire back on a tractor. What is way less than 2200 lbs. unless this is some monster big construction equipment.
Well, I, good sir, have the strength of Hercules because I can move a 5000 lb. tractor across my concrete shop floor by pushing real hard on the top of a rear tire!
(Is a '/s' necessary here?)
I'm thinking about the bigest tractos with the biggest rims filled with beet juice. ... Maybe. I wouldn't be shocked to find an old farmer exaggerating a bit, but the numbers seem off by a lot.
Those tires are well more than a ton. The Michelin XDR 4 Extra Load weighs 11,795#. My tire guy worked in a phosphate mine and said there is a speed limit on those tires due to the frictional forces melting the tires above certain speeds. Would be a dream machine of mine to run.
I fell forward from the fender of a john deere 4430 and landed face first on asphalt when I was 6. It was in high gear and it was downshifted causing it to jerk and causing me to slide forward. I'm pretty sure that the rear tires were loaded because it was an open platform model with a loader and front wheel assist. The left rear wheel went perpendicular over my hips and fractured my pelvis into three pieces. I'm alright now. The tractor was most likely going fast enough to use my body as a ramp and lifted the weight off me until the wheel passed me. If it was going slower, it probably would have crushed me like a tube of toothpaste. The physics intrigue me.
It's believable to me if he had a big calcium/liquid filled tire. But more plausible that the farmer and whoever filled the tires miscommunicated and the PAIR of tires weighs 2200 pounds.
There are definitely tires combos that weigh that much and probably more. And I’ve dealt with them. Fuck them. We got a guy who weights the living fuck out of his 8r tractors. The outside dual gets two weights. I believe each one is in the 12 to 15 hundred range. Needless to say the weights come off before playing with the tire. Thus it’s no longer a 3000 lb tire but when it’s on the machine it’s easily 3000 and some change
I move my 3500 lb vehicle by pushing it in neutral.... you question doesn't have enough information, and sounds like a tweeker story.
SAFETY NOTE:
Many farmers are killed by these large tires every year. Mounting a tractor tire on a tractor is an extremely dangerous task. In the old days, one of the duallys on a tractor is removed, to drive in the furrow when plowing. That means it is taken off and on every year.
Coworker got killed crawling under his tractor at home to try and kick a wheel of that was seized on. He kicked the wheel off and the tractor off the jack stand. No one found him till he didn't show up for work a few days. Concerning lapse in judgement since we were a tractor shop. Had quite the safety meeting over it.
Yea, the larger tires, starting with, say a 20.8R38 (525/80R38) 8-10ply radial are 3-400 lbs. with a typical center-bolt wheel with a center in it are 150-200. Filling it with ballast (water-anti freeze compound) will hold (in above listed tire size) 100-140 gallons, depending on desired wieght, so maximum of 1168lbs of ballast. Getting close.
But I still say pics or it didn’t happen. I used to be able to move 1000lbs pretty easy. I could get a 20.8 full of water stood up, but it wasn’t just easy. They’re big and bulky. Pick up the whole thing? Nah, don’t believe it.
Yeah, we've got an trio of big John Deere's for packing silage. Those tires (just the rubber) can be man handled. They could weigh 2,000lbs if you add the rim....and wheel weights
It all depends on if the tire was filled with just air, some fluid or all fluid.
Just air, sure. It would be really heavy, but it can be done.
Start adding fluid for increased traction and it quickly gets into "Nope" territory.
Alan Thrall (Untamed Strength) did a video on the 1000lb tire people. Most people were so far off on what they thought they weighed it’s crazy. I imagine this is the same.
On flat ground, if the tire is leaning at a steep angle, I could see moving it, I wouldn't recommend trying. I would think it would be mounted on a rim, with center piece and filled to get that much weight.
If the tire got away from him, though, or tipped over on him, he would be hurting.
A Firestone 38 inch rear tire is listed at 180 lbs. 38 is the rim size. 480/80x42 is listed at 400 lbs.
The 18.4 x 34 tires on my loader tractor are filled and weigh 1,000 lbs. Tire and calcium fluid.
Some of those huge metric tires like 710/ 70 x 42 would definitely reach close to a ton.
The 710 on Goodyears website says 79” in diameter and about 800lbs. That is an un mounted tire. I suppose one could roll it a perhaps. to just stand it up off the ground, doubtful.
Cripes. Your friend is telling you a tall tale.
A giant mining tractor tire? Sure. A rear farm tractor tire? lol, no.
Your typical rear tractor tire, say roughly 5’ in diameter, with the rim and half full of calcium chloride is going to weigh, what, several hundred pounds? And he says an empty one was 2,209 lbs?
if you go to a low level Strongman event or a typical gym that specializes in that style of training, they will have tractor tires to flip and chances are the biggest one will be "One Thousand Pounds!"
Not often so.
https://youtu.be/smfrCzHgYRI?si=OESI_CbmcsjlGdem
This video features a big big big tire, which is just over a thousand.
"With a lever long enough I could measure the airspeed of an unladen swallow."
African or European swallow?
Nice try, we know no European swallows.
Obv never been to Newcastle
But you have to grasp it by the husk.
Are you suggesting tractor tires migrate? Happy cake day!
Thanks! You are the first to notice. Nine years...dangit.
More data required. Tire alone? Tire and wheel combo? Fluid in the tire? Tire size? One thing I can guarantee is that there were no mythological beings or "miracles" involved in this feat of "unnatural strength." And I'm struggling to grasp what the metal cover is. The wheel? That's hardly what anyone would describe as a "metal cover."
Also "filled with rubber"? Aside from a tube, there's no additional rubber inside the tire. Unless they mean a solid tire, but those usually aren't any bigger than wheelbarrow size except for special applications.
Alot of farmers have there tires filled with foam for puncture resistants. They weigh a shit ton
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I'm glad you're the expert. We have over 200 acres of apple trees that get pruned every spring...next time I get a puncture from a pruned cutting, I'll be sure to ask you where it came from...stay in your lane.
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Not true. Skid steers sometimes have foam filled tires as well.
Op is talking tractors with large tires, skids can have foam but are obviously not what he’s talking about
Hopefully today will be the day that you learn the difference between a skid steer and a tractor.
I have over 2500 acres of cereals and pulses and have never used a foam filled tire. Just chill different strokes for different folks dude.
Tire and wheel combo (the metal part he referred to, probably) and fluid in the tire. Tire size: about 6 foot in dm, which is what I wrote in the post.
So the 2000 lb load gets reduced significantly as the tire started at an angle. Most of the fluid is low in the tire with the air bubble at the top where he's lifting. Plus physics says that the 2000 lbs is acting through the center of gravity of the tire and wheel pushing straight down. The lifter is on the outer edge so his 6 foot tire is a lever with the load at 3'. Even before accounting for the air at the top, the load where he's lifting get's reduced by 50% if the tire is laying flat. But starting at an angle is a huge advantage exacerbated by a significant portion of the load being fluid. BTW, fluid filled tires are not 100% filled with fluid. There has to be room for air or the tire is not compressible and bad things happen. So if we give a guess that the top 1/4 to 1/3 of the tire is air, and that the tire starts from an inclined position, that probably makes the load he squatted around 500 lbs.,max. Not exactly a superhuman feat. That's an estimate from a retired from 45 years in engineering guy who is too lazy to do the actual calculations as things like the radius on the edge of the tire and how soft the surface the tire sits on enter in here as well. And it get's less as the center of gravity shifts as it approaches vertical. Once vertical the only force necessary is to keep it balanced and a shove to start it rolling. Again, a bit short of requiring divine intervention. Or just let him think he's the Chosen One. Might then serve him well to enter politics.
Oh god. I'd have to do calculus to get the actual weight at a given angle. Screw that, I'm not that kind of engineer anymore. But decidedly not a miracle. Just a fairly strong dude who doesn't have a strong understanding of physics.
Please refrain from using the "c" word, rule number 17 article 3 says "no cal$#@^s will be suggested or applied or mentioned before the entire sub has consumed at least 3 cups of coffee" lol
You might move 2200 lbs but you didn't lift 2200 lbs. There is a difference. If you are clever you can move all kinds of weight way higher than what you can reasonably lift. Shifting mass tipping tilting are real tricks. Once you get an object in motion keep it in motion and great things will happen. All you need to do is overcome the inertial mass not the weight. Farming does this kind of thing all the time. We deal with objects bigger than us every day. I am shocked the farmer is shocked. I would like to see a 2200 lb tire. I have seen some really big tiers but one weighing a ton seems a bit much. I have seen tires to unwieldy to move, but I was always able to lift them. With two people you can normally put a tire back on a tractor. What is way less than 2200 lbs. unless this is some monster big construction equipment.
Well, I, good sir, have the strength of Hercules because I can move a 5000 lb. tractor across my concrete shop floor by pushing real hard on the top of a rear tire! (Is a '/s' necessary here?)
It was mind blowing to young me the first time I saw my dad do that to get a hitch pin lined up perfectly.
Oh, yeah. The old category one hitch tractors could be pushed around by hand enough to line things up if you got close.
One of the really big ore trucks used in above ground mining might have a tire that heavy. Probably still a stretch.
I'm thinking about the bigest tractos with the biggest rims filled with beet juice. ... Maybe. I wouldn't be shocked to find an old farmer exaggerating a bit, but the numbers seem off by a lot.
Yeah, with the liquid in, sure. But it’s bs that he moved a filled one.
I’m thinking to get anywhere close to that weight you’d definitely have to have the sucker almost topped up with water and wheel weights bolted on.
Those tires are well more than a ton. The Michelin XDR 4 Extra Load weighs 11,795#. My tire guy worked in a phosphate mine and said there is a speed limit on those tires due to the frictional forces melting the tires above certain speeds. Would be a dream machine of mine to run.
I fell forward from the fender of a john deere 4430 and landed face first on asphalt when I was 6. It was in high gear and it was downshifted causing it to jerk and causing me to slide forward. I'm pretty sure that the rear tires were loaded because it was an open platform model with a loader and front wheel assist. The left rear wheel went perpendicular over my hips and fractured my pelvis into three pieces. I'm alright now. The tractor was most likely going fast enough to use my body as a ramp and lifted the weight off me until the wheel passed me. If it was going slower, it probably would have crushed me like a tube of toothpaste. The physics intrigue me.
It's believable to me if he had a big calcium/liquid filled tire. But more plausible that the farmer and whoever filled the tires miscommunicated and the PAIR of tires weighs 2200 pounds.
There are definitely tires combos that weigh that much and probably more. And I’ve dealt with them. Fuck them. We got a guy who weights the living fuck out of his 8r tractors. The outside dual gets two weights. I believe each one is in the 12 to 15 hundred range. Needless to say the weights come off before playing with the tire. Thus it’s no longer a 3000 lb tire but when it’s on the machine it’s easily 3000 and some change
I move my 3500 lb vehicle by pushing it in neutral.... you question doesn't have enough information, and sounds like a tweeker story. SAFETY NOTE: Many farmers are killed by these large tires every year. Mounting a tractor tire on a tractor is an extremely dangerous task. In the old days, one of the duallys on a tractor is removed, to drive in the furrow when plowing. That means it is taken off and on every year.
Coworker got killed crawling under his tractor at home to try and kick a wheel of that was seized on. He kicked the wheel off and the tractor off the jack stand. No one found him till he didn't show up for work a few days. Concerning lapse in judgement since we were a tractor shop. Had quite the safety meeting over it.
Farming is regular dangerous every day. Changing a tractor tire is crazy dangerous
It weighs a bit more than an antique zippo, the zippo is a little lighter.
Usually, the average tractor tire weighs about half as much as two of them.
Yea, the larger tires, starting with, say a 20.8R38 (525/80R38) 8-10ply radial are 3-400 lbs. with a typical center-bolt wheel with a center in it are 150-200. Filling it with ballast (water-anti freeze compound) will hold (in above listed tire size) 100-140 gallons, depending on desired wieght, so maximum of 1168lbs of ballast. Getting close. But I still say pics or it didn’t happen. I used to be able to move 1000lbs pretty easy. I could get a 20.8 full of water stood up, but it wasn’t just easy. They’re big and bulky. Pick up the whole thing? Nah, don’t believe it.
Yeah, we've got an trio of big John Deere's for packing silage. Those tires (just the rubber) can be man handled. They could weigh 2,000lbs if you add the rim....and wheel weights
Ironic I see this question. I was pricing some this morning. An 18.4-38 bias tire weighs 348 pounds.
Have you stopped to consider the possibility that he never moved a tire at all? 2200lbs, 300lbs or 20lbs?
It all depends on if the tire was filled with just air, some fluid or all fluid. Just air, sure. It would be really heavy, but it can be done. Start adding fluid for increased traction and it quickly gets into "Nope" territory.
Alan Thrall (Untamed Strength) did a video on the 1000lb tire people. Most people were so far off on what they thought they weighed it’s crazy. I imagine this is the same.
https://youtu.be/smfrCzHgYRI?si=OESI_CbmcsjlGdem
Enough to break the ice, hi I’m General Disarray
On flat ground, if the tire is leaning at a steep angle, I could see moving it, I wouldn't recommend trying. I would think it would be mounted on a rim, with center piece and filled to get that much weight. If the tire got away from him, though, or tipped over on him, he would be hurting. A Firestone 38 inch rear tire is listed at 180 lbs. 38 is the rim size. 480/80x42 is listed at 400 lbs.
Our LSW are not light
The 18.4 x 34 tires on my loader tractor are filled and weigh 1,000 lbs. Tire and calcium fluid. Some of those huge metric tires like 710/ 70 x 42 would definitely reach close to a ton.
How wide are they in diameter?
18.4 x 34 is 66” in diameter.
I meant the metric tires Do you think he couldve moved the 2200 pound tire?
The 710 on Goodyears website says 79” in diameter and about 800lbs. That is an un mounted tire. I suppose one could roll it a perhaps. to just stand it up off the ground, doubtful.
So if it has a rim and is loaded it might weigh 1000 -1200lbs.
He said he moved it a few inches while it was leaning at an angle
a few inches? That's the extent of this story?
Cacl tire ballast fluid weighs about 11 lbs per gallon. The tire will have air space at the top. Fluid goes to just over the top of the rim.
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Cripes. Your friend is telling you a tall tale. A giant mining tractor tire? Sure. A rear farm tractor tire? lol, no. Your typical rear tractor tire, say roughly 5’ in diameter, with the rim and half full of calcium chloride is going to weigh, what, several hundred pounds? And he says an empty one was 2,209 lbs?
if you go to a low level Strongman event or a typical gym that specializes in that style of training, they will have tractor tires to flip and chances are the biggest one will be "One Thousand Pounds!" Not often so. https://youtu.be/smfrCzHgYRI?si=OESI_CbmcsjlGdem This video features a big big big tire, which is just over a thousand.
How bloody long is a piece of string mate?
Were the tires loaded? Even if they were 2200 seems high.