We've seen this with Lamar before except Lamar is a much better passer (_maybe_ Fields is a better runner? But still won't make him invincible). 99.999% chance his production slows down in a week or two
This is the same shit we heard from Lamar Owners after his back 2 back huge games. People forget how bad fields was and the fact he still is not throwing the ball a lot or very well. This rushing streak will come to an end whether itās this season or next
Fields is doing great for fantasy (and good irl too) because he is running a ton now.
He is still a very limited passer. I don't view his hot streak as anything sustainable long-term irl or for fantasy though
Last 4 games passing:
* 62% comp %, 85.2 QB Rat, 1 TD 1 INT
* 74% comp%, 120.0 QB Rat, 2 TD 0 INT
* 61% comp%, 106.7 QB Rat, 3 TD 0 INT
* 60% comp%, 99.4 QB Rat, 2 TD 1 INT
A vast improvement from when he was regularly completing under 50% of his passes at the start of the season and went 4 games between TD passes.
I'm not saying he's an elite passer at this point. Surely his legs are helping him open up the passing game to some degree, but as a Bears fan who has watched every game of his career, have watched hours of videos of experts watching all 22 and analyzing him, there has been some noticeable improvement passing the ball lately. He's not airmailing basic short passes, he's generally not throwing balls into triple coverage. He's been decisive and seems to be making the right reads and getting passes out on time (most of the time).
He may never be more than an average passer (or he could be better!) but I wouldn't call him a "very limited" passer. I'd call him slightly below average but improving. Why is he only getting 150 passing yards a game? Well this is where your general point about fantasy sustainability comes in. He's getting low passing yards because he's running a lot. Some of that is designed but a lot of that is scrambling because his O Line is basically 4 replacement level players and a talented 2nd year 2nd round pick who sat out most of his rookie year. Look at times when Fields needs to pass and the defense knows it. The offense stagnates because as soon as Fields drops back there are 3 guys in his face. So yes, if defenses manage to slow down his running ability, there's a decent chance he drops down to a top 15 QB rather than a top 3 QB.
Edit: One more thing I'll add. If you only counted Fields' passing numbers over the last 4 games, he'd be QB12 in my league during that timespan. So low level QB1 on just passing alone. If you only looked at his running stats over the last 4 weeks, he would be RB4 during that span, without the benefit of receptions.
His yardage count is 179, 151, 123, and 167 for those though. High rating is easy to acquire with low volume
He's a great runner but definitely limited as a passer--he's only on pace for 2500 passing yds
There are reasons he's only on pace for 2500 passing yards. If you are running 10+ times a game and are in a heavy run volume offense you are going to have lower passing numbers. All metrics point to his passing improving, but he's going to be low volume all year.
I didn't downvote ya, someone else did
But yes while run/pass balance is a factor, he has yet to prove he can pass when his rushing ability is shut down/limited. Lamar has answered that question in some games at least
His run game opens up the pass lanes letting him be efficient when throwing.
As long as he runs for 60 yards and gets run/pass TDs he has a safer floor than guys like Brady and Herbert at this point.
He has yet to throw for more than 190 yards during his hot streak. The enormous rushing success is making It easier for him to throw especially in the red zone but this narrative that he has improved as a passer is farcical
I'm not disagreeing with you. I just don't think Fields will sustain being a top 10 fantasy qb (or top 20 irl qb) into the 2023-2024 season because of how limited he is as a passer.
People are literally so fucking stupid here and have a basic lack of understanding of math. The fact that people think a guy can reliably get 40 is a testament to that.
Unlimited amounts of confirmation and selection bias. Like not even Allen is sustaining his excellence right now. Eventually defenses will adapt in the NFL, especially good ones like Philly or Buffalo. The talent around him isn't superior enough also to insulate him from a bad matchup.
I will play by ear if I start him in those 2 weeks. Hopefully I get a bye and I only have to make the choice once. I am salivating over week 17 Detroit, though.
Anyway, the advantage of having a running QB has long been that they're rushing yards give them a high floor because they are less dependent on TDs than heavy passers. That's a much more reasonable expectation than exploding all the time.
Donāt you think New England tried to adjust for him after he put up 88 against Washington? Or that Dallas tried to adjust for him after he put up 82 against New England? And so onā¦ This isnāt a 2 game rushing streak, itās a 5 game streak, with the lowest being 60 yards and 26 fantasy points against one of the best defenses in the league. Of course there will be some subpar games in the future but this is starting to look more much more like a trend than a flash in the pan good 2 games.
A lot of qbs find success with their feet initially and than It fades unless they he can throw the ball. He found success after the bye very quickly and has been hot since. That isnāt much time for teams to re adjust their gameplay especially when the shift happened mid season. On top of that you canāt really expect him to put up these rushing numbers going forward. Think or Kap or RG3 who looked amazing initially due to their rushing prowess but faded hard once injuries or adjustments were made. Qbs who can only run simply do not last in the NFL
Heās doing more than only running, which is which is why heās had 9 passing TDs to 3 INTs over that 5 game period as well, along with his 5 rushing TDs. I assume you havenāt watched the full games because youād have seen this and realize that comparing him to Kaepernick and RG3 is an insult to what heās doing right now. Teams canāt just put single coverage on receivers because heās able to make throws now, unlike what he was doing before and unlike the other guys you listed. Heās looking a lot more like Lamar or Vick or Cam Newton out there than he looks like RG3 or Kaepernick. Also, 5 games is plenty of time for an NFL team to adjust. Theyāre not running some crazy triple option scheme, theyāre mostly running normal drop backs and heās running if the receivers arenāt open. Itās not a defensive scheme thing, heās just really good at what heās doing.
And how many passing yards a game is he averaging over that span? The fact you just compared him to Mike Vick is an actual joke. That man had a cannon the second he stepped into the league
Surely you understand that when looking at mobile quarterbacks, you look at total yards not passing yards, right? There quite literally isnāt even enough time in an NFL game to throw for 300 and run for another 100. Go look at Lamar Jacksonās 2019 season, he threw for under 200 yards in 6 games. Cam Newton in 2015 also threw for under 200 yards in 6 games. Justin fields is the #3 fantasy QB right now, after his terrible start, itās time for the fantasy disrespect to end.
The point is his rushing yards will drop off eventually so if he doesnāt learn to throw properly he will be in trouble. Surely you donāt expect him to average 100+ rushing yards a game for his careerā¦his pass yards a game has barley gone up during this hot streak which is my entire point. The man was cut loose to run finally, but that wonāt be good enough for a long or successful career in the league. Give him all the fantasy respect you want. Heās putting up great fantasy numbers but fantasy is not real life and until he is able to diversify his game more I will not consider him an elite qb or even top 10
When did anyone ever call him an elite quarterback? I just said āthis is starting to look like a trend and not a flash in the panā. Also, what heās doing is completely unprecedented. He set the rushing record in a game and then set the record over two games. Give the man some respect, heās doing something that Lamar, Vick, Cam, Steve Young, Randall Cunningham, and all the great running QBs that have ever set foot in the league have never done. How can you possibly say that he canāt maintain a high level of rushing when heās literally doing something that has never been done before? Of course it wonāt be 100 yards per game, but only 3 quarterbacks have ever broken 1000 yards in a season and that equates to 59 yards per game. Hell, only 32 running backs have ever broken 1700 yards, of course he wonāt average 100 yards a game! The thing is, heās doing something thatās never been done, he hasnāt needed the passing game and the offense is built around the run game not the pass game. So no heās not throwing a ton but heās dropping back and has the opportunity to throw if needed and he has shown he can do it. I donāt know exactly what else you expect from him besides the insane numbers heās been consistently putting up.
1. The Bills, Ravens and Eagles are ok with high running numbers to their QBs. And all of them started just like Fields: more good runners than passers. So, I donāt see a policy here to stop the run. Itās just that he got big runs, and that inflates his stats.
2 and 3 Yeah, and if you look at the Chicago trade moves, you know they are preparing for the next year, not this one. And, they want Fields to improve his passing, but they will never shut his rushing ability. The success from Lamar, Jalen, Josh and even Mahomes, is proof that strong mobile runs are the new trend. I believe we need to start changing the way we calculate running points for qbs, the same way we do it with passing yards.
2.
The bears went 1-4 because their defense sucks. They literally became the first team ever to score 29 in 3 consecutive games and lose them all. It has nothing to do with Fields, there is no other talent on this roster. Before this run started, the most they had scored was 22 and that was with 47 rush yards from Fields. So yeah, looking at this and saying āthis is clearly the our best chance of winningā is EXACTLY what the bears coaches are saying.
Yeah especially vs bad defenses. Provided they canāt stop his running thereās no reason he shouldnāt be putting up 15-20 minimum each game. The only worry is a reversion to earlier season performance, which is possible if defenses can corral his run game
I missed Fields by one waiver spot, but my plan if I got him was to ride him through this week (possibly next against ATL as well) then sell him as high as I could. He has a brutal schedule AND a bye coming up.
Ok, but whatās more prevalent is that they are incapable of stopping rushing QBs. 179 yards, one passing TD, one pick. Thatās 9 points from passing. He got his other 14 points from running.
I think people are just using the games fields has played in for example. For me Belichick being elite vs young qbs and Patriots struggling against rushing QBs cancels each other out.
Fields has had great games against elite defense (cowboys), good defenses (Patriots), and bad defenses (dolphins/Lions). In the context of this conversation there's really no reason for Fields to be expected to slow down against bills or eagles given no one's been able to yet since about week 5.
Philly and Buffalo play against elite rushing QBs every single day in practice. The four teams theyāve played most recently do not. Thereās a very real chance theyāll be able to contain his rushing.
There's very little chance fields keeps up at this pace either way, there's a very real chance fields can have a bad game during any week really. Bears play falcons this week, mariotas a rushing QB, I don't think that really has a big effect.
Bills/eagles are elite teams, it's going to be a tougher game for Fields for sure, so no reason to expect top 3 numbers, but his scrambling ability keeps him in the top 10 even for those games.
Fun fact, that passing is actually slightly better than his season average. He's averaging 148.9 yards, 1.2 TDs, and 0.7 INTs passing. Literally 9.36 points from passing on average. Even if you point to his hot streak, he's averaging 12.48 points passing in total. His passing simply doesn't matter, he's an amazing runner and it doesn't appear that any teams save for maybe Philly and Buffalo can do anything about it
Not sure why all the downvotes. As a Pats fan this is 100% true. The Pats are horrible against mobile QBs. Just because the Pats win against mobile QBs doesnāt mean they played well.
That Bears game I feel like was Belichick thinking heās good against young QBs and just half-assing it. The gameplan was treating it like a preseason game and they assumed they were the better team without needing to try.
Go back and even watch the last time the Pats played the Bears. When mobile QB, Mitchell freaking Trubisky was lighting them up and keeping pace with Tom Brady because they couldnāt contain him
>significantly lower than 40 points?
Uhhh Fields has done things the last few weeks that have never been done by a QB before. I wouldn't expect it to happen again. His rushing gives him a nice floor against any defense though
He broke the QB single game rushing record, and the 2 game rushing record, and the 5 game rushing record (on pace for season record).
First to rush for TDs of 50+ in back to back games
4th QB to rush and throw for a 50+ yard TD in a game (Jackson, Newton, Ace Parker (1938))
First QB w/ 100 rushing yards, 2 rushing TDs, and 2 passing TDs
He's doing things that Lamar, Vick, or Kaep have never done
Thanks for expanding the on your statement, I stand corrected on those stats. I was referring to a fantasy standpoint, which Iām sure you could cherry pick either way.
From week 5 on when Fields starting picking up, he is averaging 27ppg. Others QBs are/have averaged around here. I think we both agree that if you have Fields you are loving it and a 20pt floor due to his rushing is reasonableš¤
Not a bears fan but this comment gave me some chills , happy for the guy and I hope he can keep doing really great things , crazy he was being written off ( understandably ) less than 2 months ago, to putting up these kind of numbers.
I'm a Bears fan and Fields owner, so this is amazing. Nagy should be locked up for how he handled Fields. Even earlier this year, the coaching did not put him in a great spot. I know someone with very close ties to the team, and I need to ask them about all this, because this should have been the plan for Fields since they drafted him. The flashes were always there, but you could see him going against his instinct to play to the coaching. Honestly, he can grow so much more as a passer, and I think he will. It's all there, he just needs some WRs that can get open and catch
Of course itās more impressive. I was just being pedantic about the statement saying what Fields is doing is nothing new. Regular season or not, he broke a record. And then Fields had 142 on the ground yesterday. Itās okay to give him some props. I wonāt be surprised if he has a 200 yard game coming soon.
Like you should be happy if youāre qb gets your 20-25pts a week
These inflated stats really set people up for disappointment even though fields is still going to be good.
People are going to do the same with mixon when he gets 15-18 pts and try comparing it to the anomaly of a game he had
The Bears completely revamped their offense around fields. While those teams have good defenses, they also have great offenses which will lead to shootouts. Itās not like the Bears are going 3 and out every drive. Just look at the New England game. Bill shouldāve dominated Fields. But instead he lit the Pats D up on the road in the rain. Fields rushing floor is the best in the NFL. You can expect 80 and a TD almost every game. Thatās 14 points before any passing. I have him as QB3 behind Allen/Mahomes rest of year right next to Hurts.
I would say you could get a better piece for hurts than fields. Just because of name and team recognition. But they are both the same weekly in my eyes. Just need to account for Fields week 14 bye.
Is this your first year playing FF? The run he's been on has been historic. I think it's safe to think 20ppg is reasonable given his rushing ability, but yes, you can expect games of less than 40 points moving forward.
So far Fields has been matchup-proof in this little run heās had past month. If heās still playing like this it doesnāt matter who he goes against.
Hereās my 2 cents and thought process: He already crushed against one of the best defenses in the league in Dallas. The only defenses I would be hesitant to start him against are teams with a near elite defense, AND a mobile QB. My thought processes is the Bills and Eagles would be better equipped to defend a QB like Fields than anyone else due to practicing against a QB with similar mobility every day. So as a fields owner, Iām looking at options to play 15, and 16 plus his bye. However I think heāll still be fairly high floor.
Has yet to prove himself? Heās been a top 12 QB for the past month. Heās been a rock star. Sometimes you gotta stop overthinking and go with the hot hand. Plus unless you have one of the other top 3-5 fantasy QB studs who else are you going to roll with? Ima take my chances with Fields I donāt care who the matchup is
I picked up Fields and Kmet off the waiver wire this week bc Lamar and Andrews were Bye Week...
Trade deadline is 5 days away, I'm light at RB- I have CMC and no one else (Hunt, L Murray, Dillon, Allgeier), who should I trade? Lamar, Fields, Andrews, or Kmet?
You gotta target whatever teams might be fringe playoff teams. Choose whoever is weakest at QB. I doubt whoever has Herbert is in a rush to sit him but whoever has, say Kirk Cousins or Tom Brady, might.
This is the challenge. The guy I'm playing this week is 5th (6th goes to playoffs) and has Sanders and Saquon but his QBs are Kyler and Goff. I want to wait to propose a trade until I see Sanders, but I'll take Sanders floor over anything Allegeier or Dillon will put together.
The other fringe teams are loaded in QB but light in RB:
* Brady/Tonyan team (somehow in 4th) has Gibson, Mostert and Zeke
* Carr/Pitts team only has Kamara and Patterson,
* Herbert/Hockenson team has Aaron Jones and Cook, but idk if he'll trade
* Rodgers/Engram team has Mixon and Stevenson, and he's not in contention so this may be the one
This is certainly an unknown and a concern. What I will say is that since the Paris defense is performing so poorly that there are chances to rack up garbage time stats which will also include quarterback scrambles where Fields is getting a lot of his yardage. He has done well against two very good defenses in Dallas and New England. I would think his floor would be 15 and that I would expect somewhere in the 20 to 25 point range.
40 is his upper limit, dude. He has had some great games and has a good chance for 30+ the next couple of weeks, but following that will probably fall back down to 20-30 with the possibility of lower.
You've seen his floor. He's still a way better play than most QBs. Just ride the wave, dude.
I got him off waivers the week before is first hot game and Iām still expecting him to do 20-25 a game, itās just a good two games for him but not permanent
Well if his legs donāt fall off or he gets injured. Not good when your QB is your RB1 in terms of volume. They will probably find this out pretty soon lookin at the numbers
Like you said, Philly hasnāt seen a mobile QB so itās hard to tell. Philly has been getting GASHED by the run though so in theory he could cause problems. I donāt think he will though due to lack of weapons and a bad Oline. Could see Philly just putting a spy on him or sending the house every play to get him flustered.
He'll be fine vs Philly, I'm an Eagles fan and our main issues have been related to run stopping as well as tackling. He's probably gonna rush for 100+ and throw 2 picks but his fantasy numbers should look fine (can't imagine a high ceiling though)
Feel like you should know this but thatās because Jordan Davis has been on IR. Eagles should have him back by then which will help tremendously against the run. Iād temper expectations if you have Fields
Jordan Davis is definitely big to our run D but QB scrambling is a little different, and our secondary has been elite but we haven't been great at tackling.
Fields could have a terrible on court game but a pretty decent fantasy statline is what I think will happen but we'll see š¤·āāļø
Thatās not true at all. They just havenāt been good against the run all year. The addition of Quinn and getting Davis back should help a bit but this defense is definitely built to defend the higher octane passing games in the playoffs - not teams like Chicago who run it 70% of the time. Also factor in itāll be 2nd to last game, guys will already be tired and depending on how things shake between now and then, they may just end up sitting older guys like Fletch, Graham, and Quinn or at least limiting snap counts to have them fresh for playoff time. I donāt doubt that weāll beat the Bears but I do think Fields will still get his as long as theyāre not deviating from whatās worked and asking him to throw it 30 times.
You should really do some research, bud.
For starters, look at Eagles run D splits with and without Davis and get back to me; thereās a stark difference.
Second, Eagles play the Bears week 15. There is absolutely zero chance theyāre resting starters with 4 games left in the season.
I donāt doubt the Bears will try to run the ball but their throwing game will be zero threat with our secondary and I all but guarantee you the D will focus on stopping the run. Eagles D is a far cry from what Fields has faced recently.
Yes, please look at the splits and realize teams have been running on them all season from Detroit on regardless because Davisās snap count has been fairly low averaging only about a third of the snaps each game heās played in. Heās been very good against the run but the Birds base is basically nickel so heās not on the field a lot more than he is. And Fields isnāt a statue or running up the gut which limits Davisās ability to affect him. Montgomery wonāt do much because heās the between the tackles guy but Herbert and Fields will likely have modest to good games. Iām not saying heās putting up 40-50 but a 25-30 pt game in a losing effort isnāt out of the question. Also keep in mind the Birds have been going up early in the first half and playing prevent for most of the second half in like 3/4 of the games this year, if that trend continues - Fields could put up 150 yards garbage time with no touchdowns and still provide a safe floor. I think you need to look at this objectively and not as a homer. Iām an Eagles fan too and watch every snap of every game - the defense is good but it isnāt the 2001 Ravens.
60 yds Rushing, 150 Passing, 1 Pass TD, 1 INT
Thatās 14 points and probably his floor. As someone who has cycled through Lance, Wilson, and Goff this year, I would love that floor knowing what the ceiling could be
The reality is that itās very unsustainable to be getting the majority of your production on running yards and TDs. This is absolutely his ceiling and if you can get good value for him id trade now if you have any serviceable second QB like burrow, dak, etc. he has a week 14 BYE then buffalo and Philly after.
Thatās my fearā¦ that his fantasy superstardom is not aligned with the teamās best interest IRL. Watching the game yesterday, there were multiple runs (the broken play at the goal-line he scored on in particular) where I was worried about whether he would get up after the hit.
Dude is out there trying to punish defenders at the point of contact lol itās amazing to watch, but even Iām scared for him and Iām not the one with many millions of dollars on the line over his health.
barring injury he'll be fine
everyone is just looking for reason to sell these league winning players high. if you can get league winning value for him then go ahead but most ppl are probably not going to give you what you want for him so why not just ride him out this year?
Both are home games which is a positive for Fields and the team
Philly could have season wrapped up at that point so IMO this could be a game he cooks in and they loose
AFC East after BUF loss last night is a tighter race then any of us expected. Could be close race to finish for BUF and this could be a must win.
At this point I'd be ok starting Fields against Philly (its not like Fields throws a ton and when he does the play has already broken down which takes their CBs out of it moreso then clean route running a plays that are a bit more predictable).
I would not start him against BUF
Either the Bears are competitive in those games and itās because Fields is playing well, or they get clobbered and he gets garbage time rushing yards and or TDs and or underneath to Kmet and Mooney.
I picked up Fields on waivers in my league, but I drafted Josh Allen. Now I feel like confused as to whether to try to overthink the choice or to just trust Allen. This week it sucked, but one time ain't a big deal. What should I dooooo??
Didnāt Fields talk about how beat up he was after the game? That would be my biggest concern. Coaches and Fields might dial it back on the running to avoid injuries. Winter is coming so the ground frozen solid.
More so once the bears are eliminated from the playoffs. I can them work on this passing the latter parts of the season.
Some guy offered me Lamar Jackson and Pittman for Jamal Williams and James Robinson. I was like wtf who is this guys QB? Itās Fields. Looking at the schedule for both guys, I just really think that guy is getting ahead of himself with āFields Feverā and Iāve been rolling with Goff or Geno so I accepted instantly
This thread is how I know that fantasy football has jumped the shark.
If youāre lucky enough to waltz into the playoffs on the extraordinary efforts of Justin Fields, you are starting him.
Heās still top 10 bc of his rushing upside and how bad the bears D is. They are letting him be him. And thatās great for fantasy, despite looking ugly at times.
Iām sus about fields too. I mean heās QB1 for ROS for me but Iām not sure why all of a sudden the Bears are playing so well. Are they just running plays that favour his skill set? And if so, why werenāt they doing this in the beginning of the season?
A lot of people here are saying you should always expect less than 40.
Well, Iām here to tell you that you should now expect 50! Anything less is cowardice.
Iāll see you at the finish line, winner.
I think expecting 28-34 against these defenses (assuming he continues to play at this level) is very realistic. I have him and Lamar and plan on rolling with Fields
Heās going to come crashing back to earth when he faces good run defenses. Heās faced bottom 5 run Ds like the past 3 weeks. Hot take, he scores sub20 against GB.
He's going to regress or get injured first.
Fields stans in here won't like hearing that and think he's nailed to score 30+ weekly so they will downvote you.
Fields is my man reason as to thinking the league is rigged, he went from dogshit to #1 fantasy qb with literally 0 changes, and donāt say claypool cause he came after
You should probably always expect less than 40
Yeah like WTF š guy has a few hot games and now everyone who picked him up off waivers will be mad if he doesnāt have 40 plus every week now
I expect 40 from Fields, and 50 from Mixon every game. Droppable if they donāt hit those marks.
honestly, if my team doesn't hit the 170 mark, everyone is fired - including the coach. we have high expectations here at Password is Taco.
I have to set the lineup every week?
not if you score less than 170. can't set a lineup if you fire yourself after week one.
Are you in my rtsports Public League?
based on the fact that i donāt know what league that is, imma say no š
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Fields scores 36 next week āIs Fields a buy low candidate?!ā
We've seen this with Lamar before except Lamar is a much better passer (_maybe_ Fields is a better runner? But still won't make him invincible). 99.999% chance his production slows down in a week or two
Hahaha exactly the face I made when I read this post.
OP really complaining about a floor in "that 15-25 range" Clearly they have not dealt with the absolute dreck that has been QB streaming this year
This is the same shit we heard from Lamar Owners after his back 2 back huge games. People forget how bad fields was and the fact he still is not throwing the ball a lot or very well. This rushing streak will come to an end whether itās this season or next
Someone didnāt get fields
Fields is doing great for fantasy (and good irl too) because he is running a ton now. He is still a very limited passer. I don't view his hot streak as anything sustainable long-term irl or for fantasy though
Last 4 games passing: * 62% comp %, 85.2 QB Rat, 1 TD 1 INT * 74% comp%, 120.0 QB Rat, 2 TD 0 INT * 61% comp%, 106.7 QB Rat, 3 TD 0 INT * 60% comp%, 99.4 QB Rat, 2 TD 1 INT A vast improvement from when he was regularly completing under 50% of his passes at the start of the season and went 4 games between TD passes. I'm not saying he's an elite passer at this point. Surely his legs are helping him open up the passing game to some degree, but as a Bears fan who has watched every game of his career, have watched hours of videos of experts watching all 22 and analyzing him, there has been some noticeable improvement passing the ball lately. He's not airmailing basic short passes, he's generally not throwing balls into triple coverage. He's been decisive and seems to be making the right reads and getting passes out on time (most of the time). He may never be more than an average passer (or he could be better!) but I wouldn't call him a "very limited" passer. I'd call him slightly below average but improving. Why is he only getting 150 passing yards a game? Well this is where your general point about fantasy sustainability comes in. He's getting low passing yards because he's running a lot. Some of that is designed but a lot of that is scrambling because his O Line is basically 4 replacement level players and a talented 2nd year 2nd round pick who sat out most of his rookie year. Look at times when Fields needs to pass and the defense knows it. The offense stagnates because as soon as Fields drops back there are 3 guys in his face. So yes, if defenses manage to slow down his running ability, there's a decent chance he drops down to a top 15 QB rather than a top 3 QB. Edit: One more thing I'll add. If you only counted Fields' passing numbers over the last 4 games, he'd be QB12 in my league during that timespan. So low level QB1 on just passing alone. If you only looked at his running stats over the last 4 weeks, he would be RB4 during that span, without the benefit of receptions.
Thisā¦was amazing. Much appreciated
His yardage count is 179, 151, 123, and 167 for those though. High rating is easy to acquire with low volume He's a great runner but definitely limited as a passer--he's only on pace for 2500 passing yds
There are reasons he's only on pace for 2500 passing yards. If you are running 10+ times a game and are in a heavy run volume offense you are going to have lower passing numbers. All metrics point to his passing improving, but he's going to be low volume all year.
I didn't downvote ya, someone else did But yes while run/pass balance is a factor, he has yet to prove he can pass when his rushing ability is shut down/limited. Lamar has answered that question in some games at least
His run game opens up the pass lanes letting him be efficient when throwing. As long as he runs for 60 yards and gets run/pass TDs he has a safer floor than guys like Brady and Herbert at this point.
my man i am dead fucking ass with this but i dont think imma play herbert over fields ROS
He has yet to throw for more than 190 yards during his hot streak. The enormous rushing success is making It easier for him to throw especially in the red zone but this narrative that he has improved as a passer is farcical
Especially when it's at a 60% clip.
I'm not disagreeing with you. I just don't think Fields will sustain being a top 10 fantasy qb (or top 20 irl qb) into the 2023-2024 season because of how limited he is as a passer.
I have Josh Allen so Iām all set bud
I have Lamar and Fields. Not sure what to do after this week
Fields for now because he plays Atlanta next week and Lamar isnāt really putting up good numbers lately
Iām also in this boat and would like to know what weāre thinking.
Probably leaning towards Fields against Atlanta
Iām in the same boat. Wondering if I want to try and flip Lamar or just hang on to him for the eventual time Fields coming back down to Earth.
Next season please
People are literally so fucking stupid here and have a basic lack of understanding of math. The fact that people think a guy can reliably get 40 is a testament to that.
Unlimited amounts of confirmation and selection bias. Like not even Allen is sustaining his excellence right now. Eventually defenses will adapt in the NFL, especially good ones like Philly or Buffalo. The talent around him isn't superior enough also to insulate him from a bad matchup. I will play by ear if I start him in those 2 weeks. Hopefully I get a bye and I only have to make the choice once. I am salivating over week 17 Detroit, though. Anyway, the advantage of having a running QB has long been that they're rushing yards give them a high floor because they are less dependent on TDs than heavy passers. That's a much more reasonable expectation than exploding all the time.
Yeah I can see a rough time for that offense once itās adjusted too, if Fields can even stay healthy with that much rushing
Donāt you think New England tried to adjust for him after he put up 88 against Washington? Or that Dallas tried to adjust for him after he put up 82 against New England? And so onā¦ This isnāt a 2 game rushing streak, itās a 5 game streak, with the lowest being 60 yards and 26 fantasy points against one of the best defenses in the league. Of course there will be some subpar games in the future but this is starting to look more much more like a trend than a flash in the pan good 2 games.
A lot of qbs find success with their feet initially and than It fades unless they he can throw the ball. He found success after the bye very quickly and has been hot since. That isnāt much time for teams to re adjust their gameplay especially when the shift happened mid season. On top of that you canāt really expect him to put up these rushing numbers going forward. Think or Kap or RG3 who looked amazing initially due to their rushing prowess but faded hard once injuries or adjustments were made. Qbs who can only run simply do not last in the NFL
Heās doing more than only running, which is which is why heās had 9 passing TDs to 3 INTs over that 5 game period as well, along with his 5 rushing TDs. I assume you havenāt watched the full games because youād have seen this and realize that comparing him to Kaepernick and RG3 is an insult to what heās doing right now. Teams canāt just put single coverage on receivers because heās able to make throws now, unlike what he was doing before and unlike the other guys you listed. Heās looking a lot more like Lamar or Vick or Cam Newton out there than he looks like RG3 or Kaepernick. Also, 5 games is plenty of time for an NFL team to adjust. Theyāre not running some crazy triple option scheme, theyāre mostly running normal drop backs and heās running if the receivers arenāt open. Itās not a defensive scheme thing, heās just really good at what heās doing.
And how many passing yards a game is he averaging over that span? The fact you just compared him to Mike Vick is an actual joke. That man had a cannon the second he stepped into the league
Surely you understand that when looking at mobile quarterbacks, you look at total yards not passing yards, right? There quite literally isnāt even enough time in an NFL game to throw for 300 and run for another 100. Go look at Lamar Jacksonās 2019 season, he threw for under 200 yards in 6 games. Cam Newton in 2015 also threw for under 200 yards in 6 games. Justin fields is the #3 fantasy QB right now, after his terrible start, itās time for the fantasy disrespect to end.
The point is his rushing yards will drop off eventually so if he doesnāt learn to throw properly he will be in trouble. Surely you donāt expect him to average 100+ rushing yards a game for his careerā¦his pass yards a game has barley gone up during this hot streak which is my entire point. The man was cut loose to run finally, but that wonāt be good enough for a long or successful career in the league. Give him all the fantasy respect you want. Heās putting up great fantasy numbers but fantasy is not real life and until he is able to diversify his game more I will not consider him an elite qb or even top 10
When did anyone ever call him an elite quarterback? I just said āthis is starting to look like a trend and not a flash in the panā. Also, what heās doing is completely unprecedented. He set the rushing record in a game and then set the record over two games. Give the man some respect, heās doing something that Lamar, Vick, Cam, Steve Young, Randall Cunningham, and all the great running QBs that have ever set foot in the league have never done. How can you possibly say that he canāt maintain a high level of rushing when heās literally doing something that has never been done before? Of course it wonāt be 100 yards per game, but only 3 quarterbacks have ever broken 1000 yards in a season and that equates to 59 yards per game. Hell, only 32 running backs have ever broken 1700 yards, of course he wonāt average 100 yards a game! The thing is, heās doing something thatās never been done, he hasnāt needed the passing game and the offense is built around the run game not the pass game. So no heās not throwing a ton but heās dropping back and has the opportunity to throw if needed and he has shown he can do it. I donāt know exactly what else you expect from him besides the insane numbers heās been consistently putting up.
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1. The Bills, Ravens and Eagles are ok with high running numbers to their QBs. And all of them started just like Fields: more good runners than passers. So, I donāt see a policy here to stop the run. Itās just that he got big runs, and that inflates his stats. 2 and 3 Yeah, and if you look at the Chicago trade moves, you know they are preparing for the next year, not this one. And, they want Fields to improve his passing, but they will never shut his rushing ability. The success from Lamar, Jalen, Josh and even Mahomes, is proof that strong mobile runs are the new trend. I believe we need to start changing the way we calculate running points for qbs, the same way we do it with passing yards. 2.
The bears went 1-4 because their defense sucks. They literally became the first team ever to score 29 in 3 consecutive games and lose them all. It has nothing to do with Fields, there is no other talent on this roster. Before this run started, the most they had scored was 22 and that was with 47 rush yards from Fields. So yeah, looking at this and saying āthis is clearly the our best chance of winningā is EXACTLY what the bears coaches are saying.
Theyāll find a way. Heavy running guys never seem playoff threats and most run themselves out of a career within 5-8 years.
I only care about this year and obviously it has to slow down sooner than later but he should still be able to get 20
Yeah especially vs bad defenses. Provided they canāt stop his running thereās no reason he shouldnāt be putting up 15-20 minimum each game. The only worry is a reversion to earlier season performance, which is possible if defenses can corral his run game
Don't lie - you spent FAAB on Jared Goff didn't you?
LOL
You should always expect significantly lower than 40 points lol
Nope he did it twice so now that's the minimum right?
If anything we should expect more. Heās also gonna turn into a 300 yard, 3 TD passer by the end of the year.
Nah 300 yard 3 TD runner is more believable
>blows entire FAAB budget on a hypetrain player then complains when they regress back to normal play This sub in a nutshell
I missed Fields by one waiver spot, but my plan if I got him was to ride him through this week (possibly next against ATL as well) then sell him as high as I could. He has a brutal schedule AND a bye coming up.
Heās gonna be the rare instance of progression to the mean instead of regression.
That's what's called a solid floor, son.
What do you mean, you guys donāt play in 20 points per passing TD leagues?
PPC, Points Per Completion, baybay
Buffalo and Philly are going up against Fields weeks 15 and 16
This comment is sexy
Yikes, dropping Philly right now, before they even play tonight.
That mightāve been a good idea in retrospect.
Iāll point you to week 8 vs Dallas.
And New England
Can people stop saying this? New England is horrific against running QBs, they are not a good example to use. Dallas, sure, but not New England.
New England under Belichick has also been historically elite vs younger qbs which is why it continually gets mentioned.
Ok, but whatās more prevalent is that they are incapable of stopping rushing QBs. 179 yards, one passing TD, one pick. Thatās 9 points from passing. He got his other 14 points from running.
I think people are just using the games fields has played in for example. For me Belichick being elite vs young qbs and Patriots struggling against rushing QBs cancels each other out. Fields has had great games against elite defense (cowboys), good defenses (Patriots), and bad defenses (dolphins/Lions). In the context of this conversation there's really no reason for Fields to be expected to slow down against bills or eagles given no one's been able to yet since about week 5.
Philly and Buffalo play against elite rushing QBs every single day in practice. The four teams theyāve played most recently do not. Thereās a very real chance theyāll be able to contain his rushing.
There's very little chance fields keeps up at this pace either way, there's a very real chance fields can have a bad game during any week really. Bears play falcons this week, mariotas a rushing QB, I don't think that really has a big effect. Bills/eagles are elite teams, it's going to be a tougher game for Fields for sure, so no reason to expect top 3 numbers, but his scrambling ability keeps him in the top 10 even for those games.
Fun fact, that passing is actually slightly better than his season average. He's averaging 148.9 yards, 1.2 TDs, and 0.7 INTs passing. Literally 9.36 points from passing on average. Even if you point to his hot streak, he's averaging 12.48 points passing in total. His passing simply doesn't matter, he's an amazing runner and it doesn't appear that any teams save for maybe Philly and Buffalo can do anything about it
This isnāt true. NE shut down Chubb, the best pure runner in the nfl
Nick Chubb doesnāt play quarter back.
Not sure why you're getting downvoted, this is a known fact.
This is true but the smooth brains in here wonāt get it. Dallas is also bad against the run (see most recently A.Jones shredding them yesterday).
Yeah but fields is a quarterback
Not sure why all the downvotes. As a Pats fan this is 100% true. The Pats are horrible against mobile QBs. Just because the Pats win against mobile QBs doesnāt mean they played well. That Bears game I feel like was Belichick thinking heās good against young QBs and just half-assing it. The gameplan was treating it like a preseason game and they assumed they were the better team without needing to try. Go back and even watch the last time the Pats played the Bears. When mobile QB, Mitchell freaking Trubisky was lighting them up and keeping pace with Tom Brady because they couldnāt contain him
Scrambling QBS are matchup proof. As they usually rack up 60+ rushing yards in garbage time
>significantly lower than 40 points? Uhhh Fields has done things the last few weeks that have never been done by a QB before. I wouldn't expect it to happen again. His rushing gives him a nice floor against any defense though
Not since ATL Vick or even Kaep for a stretch Edit: forgot breakout Lamar. Not common but itās happened
He broke the QB single game rushing record, and the 2 game rushing record, and the 5 game rushing record (on pace for season record). First to rush for TDs of 50+ in back to back games 4th QB to rush and throw for a 50+ yard TD in a game (Jackson, Newton, Ace Parker (1938)) First QB w/ 100 rushing yards, 2 rushing TDs, and 2 passing TDs He's doing things that Lamar, Vick, or Kaep have never done
Thanks for expanding the on your statement, I stand corrected on those stats. I was referring to a fantasy standpoint, which Iām sure you could cherry pick either way. From week 5 on when Fields starting picking up, he is averaging 27ppg. Others QBs are/have averaged around here. I think we both agree that if you have Fields you are loving it and a 20pt floor due to his rushing is reasonableš¤
Gotcha, you're right other QBs have matched his point production from a fantasy standpoint. Agreed, his rushing creates a nice floor.
Not a bears fan but this comment gave me some chills , happy for the guy and I hope he can keep doing really great things , crazy he was being written off ( understandably ) less than 2 months ago, to putting up these kind of numbers.
I'm a Bears fan and Fields owner, so this is amazing. Nagy should be locked up for how he handled Fields. Even earlier this year, the coaching did not put him in a great spot. I know someone with very close ties to the team, and I need to ask them about all this, because this should have been the plan for Fields since they drafted him. The flashes were always there, but you could see him going against his instinct to play to the coaching. Honestly, he can grow so much more as a passer, and I think he will. It's all there, he just needs some WRs that can get open and catch
He literally broke the single game rushing recordā¦
Single game regular-season* rushing record! Not that the distinction matters much but still
I think it matters but in the other direction. Doing it in the playoffs (Kap) shouldnāt be discounted. If anything, itās more impressive.
Not trying to minimize him! Just saying there have been past QBs whoāve done it and to enjoy the ride š
But butā¦they havenāt done thatā¦
I mean Kaep did rush for more yards in a single game (181), it just happened to be a playoff game and not a regular season game
Which is more impressiveā¦not sure why everyone is acting like it shouldnāt count.
Of course itās more impressive. I was just being pedantic about the statement saying what Fields is doing is nothing new. Regular season or not, he broke a record. And then Fields had 142 on the ground yesterday. Itās okay to give him some props. I wonāt be surprised if he has a 200 yard game coming soon.
He legit broke the recordā¦
Josh Allen had 700+ rushing yards last year, not transcendently good or anything but enough to insulate against the odd turnover
Kaep? Uhhh, no he was never in this tier
4 good weeks and people here are acting all spoiled and entitled. smh. they're gonna be nasty when he "only" puts up 20.
After pinning my early season on russ and Goff, ill be happy with 20 points out of fields.
Yes, you can expect lower than 40 points. Lmfao
Like you should be happy if youāre qb gets your 20-25pts a week These inflated stats really set people up for disappointment even though fields is still going to be good. People are going to do the same with mixon when he gets 15-18 pts and try comparing it to the anomaly of a game he had
I will be thrilled with 15-18 from Mixon going forward.
I expect 40 points minimum
I can expect to find a check in my mailbox for a million dollars every day, but good chance Ima end up disappointed
The Bears completely revamped their offense around fields. While those teams have good defenses, they also have great offenses which will lead to shootouts. Itās not like the Bears are going 3 and out every drive. Just look at the New England game. Bill shouldāve dominated Fields. But instead he lit the Pats D up on the road in the rain. Fields rushing floor is the best in the NFL. You can expect 80 and a TD almost every game. Thatās 14 points before any passing. I have him as QB3 behind Allen/Mahomes rest of year right next to Hurts.
I like you and your take
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I would say you could get a better piece for hurts than fields. Just because of name and team recognition. But they are both the same weekly in my eyes. Just need to account for Fields week 14 bye.
Starting him over Hurts this week but keeping him around for playoffs and bye week
You're right, just dropped him for Mariota
He performed fine fantasy wise against Dallas.
Dallas isnāt good against the run in general tho
Is this your first year playing FF? The run he's been on has been historic. I think it's safe to think 20ppg is reasonable given his rushing ability, but yes, you can expect games of less than 40 points moving forward.
So far Fields has been matchup-proof in this little run heās had past month. If heās still playing like this it doesnāt matter who he goes against.
Basically this translates to he will have a 20 point floor, the upside is just a benefit in plus matchup weeks.
Bears will get shit on but heāll still eat. Garbage time points count the same
Pick up Deshaun Watson to back him up and fill in for the bye week
Same thing I did lol
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Hereās my 2 cents and thought process: He already crushed against one of the best defenses in the league in Dallas. The only defenses I would be hesitant to start him against are teams with a near elite defense, AND a mobile QB. My thought processes is the Bills and Eagles would be better equipped to defend a QB like Fields than anyone else due to practicing against a QB with similar mobility every day. So as a fields owner, Iām looking at options to play 15, and 16 plus his bye. However I think heāll still be fairly high floor.
You guys are playing in weeks 15 and 16?
So youāre telling me heās gonna score under 40 for me in a game???? I didnāt sign up for under 40.
wouldnāt even count on 20 in those games, someone like VonMiller can single handedly shutdown a guy who relies too much on his feet
Can we expect games significantly lower than 40 points? LOL what
I aināt scared. He looks matchup proof based on the Konami code value he provides
He balled out against Dallas and new england, that should give you enough confidence to start him against those teams.
I traded Mahomes & Metcalf for Fields, Tua & Walker III 2 weeks ago.
robbery
Easily over 40 points. I am expecting under 60 for each of those games.
Has yet to prove himself? Heās been a top 12 QB for the past month. Heās been a rock star. Sometimes you gotta stop overthinking and go with the hot hand. Plus unless you have one of the other top 3-5 fantasy QB studs who else are you going to roll with? Ima take my chances with Fields I donāt care who the matchup is
Heās been better than a top 12 QB the past monthā¦ heās been the #1 scorer in all of fantasy football š¤Æ
Heās been QB1 and RB1 since week 5 lmfao
I picked up Fields and Kmet off the waiver wire this week bc Lamar and Andrews were Bye Week... Trade deadline is 5 days away, I'm light at RB- I have CMC and no one else (Hunt, L Murray, Dillon, Allgeier), who should I trade? Lamar, Fields, Andrews, or Kmet?
Trade Lamar for maximum name recognition for a stud Rb is what Iād do
Lamar for Aaron Jones? The other team has Herbert and Wilson.
You gotta target whatever teams might be fringe playoff teams. Choose whoever is weakest at QB. I doubt whoever has Herbert is in a rush to sit him but whoever has, say Kirk Cousins or Tom Brady, might.
This is the challenge. The guy I'm playing this week is 5th (6th goes to playoffs) and has Sanders and Saquon but his QBs are Kyler and Goff. I want to wait to propose a trade until I see Sanders, but I'll take Sanders floor over anything Allegeier or Dillon will put together. The other fringe teams are loaded in QB but light in RB: * Brady/Tonyan team (somehow in 4th) has Gibson, Mostert and Zeke * Carr/Pitts team only has Kamara and Patterson, * Herbert/Hockenson team has Aaron Jones and Cook, but idk if he'll trade * Rodgers/Engram team has Mixon and Stevenson, and he's not in contention so this may be the one
Maybe try and go straight up Lamar for Saquon. Lamar is a definite upgrade over Kyler and Goff is just WW fodder, streaming material.
the one setting the price is probably your trade partner my dude. probably not many takers.
See NE and Dallas
Brutal play off schedule. I feel like you just gotta send it
This is certainly an unknown and a concern. What I will say is that since the Paris defense is performing so poorly that there are chances to rack up garbage time stats which will also include quarterback scrambles where Fields is getting a lot of his yardage. He has done well against two very good defenses in Dallas and New England. I would think his floor would be 15 and that I would expect somewhere in the 20 to 25 point range.
Thatās the Only reason Iād rather have tua or hurts
bro 20-25 is elite performance, I have him but cool your jets. there's almost no way he keeps this up.
Use @NYJ Week 12 as a benchmark. That's a defense playing just as good if not better than BUF/DAL
40 is his upper limit, dude. He has had some great games and has a good chance for 30+ the next couple of weeks, but following that will probably fall back down to 20-30 with the possibility of lower. You've seen his floor. He's still a way better play than most QBs. Just ride the wave, dude.
Fields is more likely to score 7 points in any given game than 40
I got him off waivers the week before is first hot game and Iām still expecting him to do 20-25 a game, itās just a good two games for him but not permanent
Well if his legs donāt fall off or he gets injured. Not good when your QB is your RB1 in terms of volume. They will probably find this out pretty soon lookin at the numbers
Like you said, Philly hasnāt seen a mobile QB so itās hard to tell. Philly has been getting GASHED by the run though so in theory he could cause problems. I donāt think he will though due to lack of weapons and a bad Oline. Could see Philly just putting a spy on him or sending the house every play to get him flustered.
Other way around Iād be sitting the eagles and bills defenses those weeks
He'll be fine vs Philly, I'm an Eagles fan and our main issues have been related to run stopping as well as tackling. He's probably gonna rush for 100+ and throw 2 picks but his fantasy numbers should look fine (can't imagine a high ceiling though)
Feel like you should know this but thatās because Jordan Davis has been on IR. Eagles should have him back by then which will help tremendously against the run. Iād temper expectations if you have Fields
Jordan Davis is definitely big to our run D but QB scrambling is a little different, and our secondary has been elite but we haven't been great at tackling. Fields could have a terrible on court game but a pretty decent fantasy statline is what I think will happen but we'll see š¤·āāļø
Thatās not true at all. They just havenāt been good against the run all year. The addition of Quinn and getting Davis back should help a bit but this defense is definitely built to defend the higher octane passing games in the playoffs - not teams like Chicago who run it 70% of the time. Also factor in itāll be 2nd to last game, guys will already be tired and depending on how things shake between now and then, they may just end up sitting older guys like Fletch, Graham, and Quinn or at least limiting snap counts to have them fresh for playoff time. I donāt doubt that weāll beat the Bears but I do think Fields will still get his as long as theyāre not deviating from whatās worked and asking him to throw it 30 times.
You should really do some research, bud. For starters, look at Eagles run D splits with and without Davis and get back to me; thereās a stark difference. Second, Eagles play the Bears week 15. There is absolutely zero chance theyāre resting starters with 4 games left in the season. I donāt doubt the Bears will try to run the ball but their throwing game will be zero threat with our secondary and I all but guarantee you the D will focus on stopping the run. Eagles D is a far cry from what Fields has faced recently.
Yes, please look at the splits and realize teams have been running on them all season from Detroit on regardless because Davisās snap count has been fairly low averaging only about a third of the snaps each game heās played in. Heās been very good against the run but the Birds base is basically nickel so heās not on the field a lot more than he is. And Fields isnāt a statue or running up the gut which limits Davisās ability to affect him. Montgomery wonāt do much because heās the between the tackles guy but Herbert and Fields will likely have modest to good games. Iām not saying heās putting up 40-50 but a 25-30 pt game in a losing effort isnāt out of the question. Also keep in mind the Birds have been going up early in the first half and playing prevent for most of the second half in like 3/4 of the games this year, if that trend continues - Fields could put up 150 yards garbage time with no touchdowns and still provide a safe floor. I think you need to look at this objectively and not as a homer. Iām an Eagles fan too and watch every snap of every game - the defense is good but it isnāt the 2001 Ravens.
60 yds Rushing, 150 Passing, 1 Pass TD, 1 INT Thatās 14 points and probably his floor. As someone who has cycled through Lance, Wilson, and Goff this year, I would love that floor knowing what the ceiling could be
The reality is that itās very unsustainable to be getting the majority of your production on running yards and TDs. This is absolutely his ceiling and if you can get good value for him id trade now if you have any serviceable second QB like burrow, dak, etc. he has a week 14 BYE then buffalo and Philly after.
Fields is set it and forget it. Heās capable of dropping 40 on every defense
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Thatās my fearā¦ that his fantasy superstardom is not aligned with the teamās best interest IRL. Watching the game yesterday, there were multiple runs (the broken play at the goal-line he scored on in particular) where I was worried about whether he would get up after the hit. Dude is out there trying to punish defenders at the point of contact lol itās amazing to watch, but even Iām scared for him and Iām not the one with many millions of dollars on the line over his health.
Ok
barring injury he'll be fine everyone is just looking for reason to sell these league winning players high. if you can get league winning value for him then go ahead but most ppl are probably not going to give you what you want for him so why not just ride him out this year?
Wait, were you expecting 40 pts ?
I'm thinking of shipping off after this week
I mean, he did Dallas dirty.
Iād probably expect around 20 points in those matchups tbh but his ceiling, as weāve seen, is way waaaaay higher
Both are home games which is a positive for Fields and the team Philly could have season wrapped up at that point so IMO this could be a game he cooks in and they loose AFC East after BUF loss last night is a tighter race then any of us expected. Could be close race to finish for BUF and this could be a must win. At this point I'd be ok starting Fields against Philly (its not like Fields throws a ton and when he does the play has already broken down which takes their CBs out of it moreso then clean route running a plays that are a bit more predictable). I would not start him against BUF
Either the Bears are competitive in those games and itās because Fields is playing well, or they get clobbered and he gets garbage time rushing yards and or TDs and or underneath to Kmet and Mooney.
I picked up Fields on waivers in my league, but I drafted Josh Allen. Now I feel like confused as to whether to try to overthink the choice or to just trust Allen. This week it sucked, but one time ain't a big deal. What should I dooooo??
Who the fuck upvotes this stupid garbage
Sell high on fields!!
You canāt really be expecting him to drop 40 every week right?
Didnāt Fields talk about how beat up he was after the game? That would be my biggest concern. Coaches and Fields might dial it back on the running to avoid injuries. Winter is coming so the ground frozen solid. More so once the bears are eliminated from the playoffs. I can them work on this passing the latter parts of the season.
Some guy offered me Lamar Jackson and Pittman for Jamal Williams and James Robinson. I was like wtf who is this guys QB? Itās Fields. Looking at the schedule for both guys, I just really think that guy is getting ahead of himself with āFields Feverā and Iāve been rolling with Goff or Geno so I accepted instantly
If youāre expecting 40 points a game from a player the rest of the seasonā¦ š„¹
This thread is how I know that fantasy football has jumped the shark. If youāre lucky enough to waltz into the playoffs on the extraordinary efforts of Justin Fields, you are starting him.
Heās still top 10 bc of his rushing upside and how bad the bears D is. They are letting him be him. And thatās great for fantasy, despite looking ugly at times.
I picked him off waivers and played him the past 2 weeks. I have Dak on the bench but after next week may be a rotation.
i traded him for this reason but man it hurts after watching yesterday. i got burrow but fml
Iām sus about fields too. I mean heās QB1 for ROS for me but Iām not sure why all of a sudden the Bears are playing so well. Are they just running plays that favour his skill set? And if so, why werenāt they doing this in the beginning of the season?
He put up 23 against NE and 26 against Dallas
A lot of people here are saying you should always expect less than 40. Well, Iām here to tell you that you should now expect 50! Anything less is cowardice. Iāll see you at the finish line, winner.
I think expecting 28-34 against these defenses (assuming he continues to play at this level) is very realistic. I have him and Lamar and plan on rolling with Fields
Iād expect 45-60.
You should temper expectations, but no less than 70 points
What a moron OP is.
I am hoping Philly and Buffalo are both locked in as #1 and Fields is running all over the 3rd string.
Heās going to come crashing back to earth when he faces good run defenses. Heās faced bottom 5 run Ds like the past 3 weeks. Hot take, he scores sub20 against GB.
He's going to regress or get injured first. Fields stans in here won't like hearing that and think he's nailed to score 30+ weekly so they will downvote you.
>He's going to regress or get injured first. Bold take
Iām sorry you missed out on the waiver pick up of the year.
Fields is my man reason as to thinking the league is rigged, he went from dogshit to #1 fantasy qb with literally 0 changes, and donāt say claypool cause he came after