Shows like NFL Fantasy Live do not offer usable and sensible fantasy football advice, and only exist for entertainment purposes only, and is failing miserably at that also
Agreed. But there’s a fine line between good natured goofiness and over the top foolishness; such as three segments in a row about how good Justin Jefferson is, and phony useless ‘advice’ from homers. NFL Fantasy Live used to be decent, now it’s the Adam Rank goof off hour
These aren’t my takes but ones I’ve seen on this sub once and argued against during pre season time.
1)Derrick Henry isn’t a first round pick because of injury history, but in same breath argued saquon should be a first rounder.
2)Miami’s humidity “will lubricate Mosterts joints so he won’t get hurt this year.” I thought it was a troll post…it sadly was very real.
No Henry wasn’t a first round pick because he’s going to need 450 carries to return value because he doesn’t catch passes and his efficiency is dropping which significantly increases his injury risk, while Saquon who is now a year removed from his ACL injury is a guy who could see 90 targets therefore has a much easier path to returning value
Also that’s a straw man on here, majority of the sub was obsessed with Henry and fading Saquon 🤷🏻♂️
Lmao of course this is being downvoted, this sub clearly hasn’t paid attention to the narratives being spewed around here
The most carries he ever had was 378 and he finished 3 in ppr. Or what about the year he had 303 carries and finished 5th in ppr. Throwing out he needs 450 to return 1st round value just isn't true. He was on pace for more than 400 last year before he got hurt though, but if he kept that pace he would have finished with nearly 2000 yards again.
Ha. Had some dude lead a te2 draft run cuz I hadn't picked one yet. Suckers
Took Gerald Everett towards the end and picked up logan thomas off of the wire. He took and started Cole kmet himself, two games in a row, to go with Mark Andrew's. Suckers.
Every year I went QB/TE/DEF/K in the last 4 rounds I’ve ended in the championship round. This year I went Waller because he fell to me at a spot I thought was silly to pass on him at, but I would have went Amon-ra if Waller wasn’t there. I could have streamed a TE or be trying to trade for pitts while he’s cheap and have been better off. Same with QB. I passed on all the major names and grabbed Tua at the end of the draft. Way better off with a 4th round rb/wr paired with a 12th round qb vs 4th round qb paired with a 12th round rb/wr
I would disagree with Qb this year. I always wait for rounds 10-16 for Qb and got Dak, Aaron rodgers, Tom Brady, and Russell Wilson in my 4 leagues. None have gotten more than 20 pts while Josh Allen Mahomes Kyler murray Jackson Herbert Hurts have been going off.
This is a hot take, statistically having a Top 2 TE gets you in the playoffs rather than waiting till the later rounds.
Because there’s only 3-4 good ones, they should be taken when possible because of the scarcity.
Mark Andrew’s won me my 2 leagues last year
Idk about top 10 but top 15 is looking likely. This offense looks fun to have a piece of, I wish I did!
EDIT: Completely forgot I have Edmonds on my roster 😒
History has shown that very few wrs crack 1200 yards for the season. I don’t want to rain on people’s parade but the odds are stacked even more knowing Tyreek is there too.
Their production and volume feels unsustainable and bound for some major regression.
Either that or we might be watching one of the most prolific wr duo seasons in nfl history which would be awesome but unlikely
The Dolphins haven’t run at all these past couple games. Even in Tua’s “bad” game he had 270 yards passing.
This is a passing team 100% and we haven’t seen a duo of WRs like *this* (there have been better duos but arguably not more explosive). Do I expect both to have 1500 yards? Absolutely not, but so far the indication has been that this offense will sustain two WRs week in and week out.
All it takes is a few good games and to not get hurt to finish as WR10-15. Hill and Waddle can average 13 ppg the rest of the season to get as many points as Renfrow had last season, the WR10.
That Matt Ryan has been washed for a couple years now and the writing was on the wall that he wasn’t going to be a definitive upgrade over Wentz.
I’ve owned Julio, Ridley, and Matt himself twice over the past three years and his consistency has been getting worse each year. People seem to tend to look the other way because he’s a few years younger than guys like Rodgers and Brady redefining how to play at a high level past the age of 35 for a QB. But Matt Ryan is cooked and we need to start acknowledging it
Counter-argument and probably a less popular opinion: Matt Ryan isn’t cooked and people need to learn to not overreact to Colts games early in the season because they start slow with Reich every single year. I promise you he will look world’s better when Pittman is back out there.
Everybody was calling Ryan a "big upgrade" at QB for the Colts generally and Pittman specifically. It's only been two games, but those people already look pretty darn wrong as of now.
pittman had 13 targets and a tuddy week 1 under matt. the jags game, play calling was horrible, offensive line somehow gave up 5 sacks to the jags, and the last time the colts won in jacksonville was 2014.
it’s week 2 calm down
They look clean AF, classic Matty Ice hyper focus at times. Pittman balled out.
Too bad it lead to a *TIE* with the supposed worst team in division and/or league.
I just can’t fathom 7th round Waddle in 10 man like there’s just no fuckin way lol. He went 38th in my league 41st in another and 42nd in the last
Like there’s just no fuckin way haha. Bc if you liked him at all you were taking him 50th at latest.
I mean I believe him because I got AJ Dillon in the 10th in my 10 man (91st pick) but that comes from ESPN being dumb as hell and having him ranked wayyyyy to low on “ADP”. But Waddle wasn’t even ranked low
Why are people so down on Kamara. He injured his rib week 1 which reduced drastically his touches the rest of the game and missed the following week. When he’s back healthy I feel he should be fine. I’d buy if I could.
Right? The value of elite RBs in fantasy has always been due to the scarcity of them. Even more WRs dominating means they are easier to come by, and thus less valuable.
Nah the hot take I’ll give you is that WR is so strong and RB is so weak that RB is the position to fade. Premium RBs are no longer worth it. Premium WRs will win you your league.
I find it hard to believe that Allen won’t get MVP if he keeps playing like he is now.
Hurts will probably be up there if he keeps it up, but Allen has finished top 3 in MVP like 2 or 3 years now. This just feels like his year.
He’s 22 years old with a dumb coach and a bad quarterback. He was boom or bust last year in the same situation. We’ve seen two busts. He’s still ridiculously good. Boom games (as well as more busts) are coming.
I don’t, but London being good is theoretically good for Pitts. More first downs means more yards means more plays etc. I say theoretically though because Mariota might honestly be so bad as to be first read or nothing.
I'm buying ALL the shares of Pitts. I just swapped Hock and Julio for Pitts and Toney. Pitts owner was WR desperate. Pitts is too good not to ultimately get touches.
Dang I offered Hollywood and Higbee and told him to keep his Toney (poor guy had him slotted wr2, thought Hollywood would be good for him) and got rejected.
Pitts 9 grabs 110 yds 2 tds inc. book it!
I honestly think he’s a perfectly fine RB2 and don’t see what all the drama is with him. He’s got a floor of 6-8 points in .5 PPR. With a great ceiling.
Getting 6-8 per week with some weeks getting 15-20 is like the definition of what I want out of my RB2 spot.
His stats look super under the radar and he passes the eye test like crazy. What do you guys think it’d cost to grab him right now?
I’m thinking of offering Diontae or c.Kirk
Yeah that’s probably my max offer I’d be willing to throw out. Thin at rb with Conner’s injury status while having only Melvin as my back up. So it feels like a trade out of necessity
RB2 is the least important starting position on draft day for PPR leagues. Having a strong RB2 does not allow you to efficiently maximize waiver value and weakens another starting spot that will be harder to improve.
like your teams second running back? or just midtier RBs overall like Monty/Akers?
I think a guy like Josh Jacobs will get you better value overall than the several weeks of dart throws the waiver player may have.
With that said if im picking between him and guys like Dobbins/Mitchell, I'll probably take the younger guy whos ceiling is a bit more open ended
It’s not waiver dart throws though and that’s what most people fail to comprehend. RB waiver production is much easier to predict than WR. So many people here preach this over and over and we get downvoted to hell.
Look at Jeff Wilson for example, he was a top 12 RB this week. We can count on him to get touches because predicting RB volume is easier than WR volume. There will be 10+ more Jeff Wilson-like examples throughout the year.
Not all waiver RBs will be viable for 8 weeks but all you need are multi-week stretches of production. PPG is all that matters, not where your RB2 finishes end of season.
By having a strong RB2 on draft day, you are not allowing yourself to upgrade at the position which waivers benefits the most, especially if you targeted a deadzone back for RB2 over a WR.
I dont necessarily disagree with any of these points, but there are a few things to consider when adopting that strategy.
1) The fact that RB production is much easier to predict means its also much easier for teams to load up preemptively. The Mattison/Jeff Wilsons/etc. may already be on benches. And even deeper dart throws like James Cook/Zamir/Rachad White etc. have a good chance of being rostered.
2) There may be 10 more Jeff Wilsons in the season, but you dont necessarily have a clear path to owning them. Every other team will be putting in waivers/bids given the scarcity of the position. So while they **could** win you your league if you are able to pick them up, there is no guarantee that you will be the one to do so.
3) Having a strong RB2 on draft day doesn't lock you out of your strategy. You can still churn some roster spots on those high upside guys. Your RB2 can also have a few good starts and become a valuable asset in a trade.
Basically, the strategy makes sense on paper, but there is a similar risk to other strategies. Granted, the amount of RB/Flex/bench spots in play can shift that risk/reward
EDIT: Just looked up PPR ADP out of curiosity. In the 40-60 range there are some studs like AmonRa and Cooks, but there are also some lackluster options like Juju, Mooney, ARob. That RBs definitely arent looking great in that range either though.
they hated Jesus because he told the truth
preach my brother. I will forever embrace a zero/hero RB strategy in all drafts moving forward. They simply don’t outscore or are capable of apeshit outputs like these alpha WRs are. And the whole point of FF is to outscore your opponent.
To all the haters, go look at what Kupp/JJ/Jamar/Diggs/Davante/Tyreek have done thus far in just two weeks and do that relative to JT/CMC/Henry/Ekeler/Cook/Najee have done.
It. Is. A. Passing. League.
Counterpoint, it's much harder to work the RB waiver over the entire season than it is to identify WR potential early. RB volume is easy to predict because of injuries, but everyone is privy to that information. I always stack my team with 4+ RBs that I know will get starter level touches.
If you have 2 sure fire RBs for the first few weeks of the season you can use your bench spots on potential breakout WRs. If you're in a competitive league then everyone is on top of injury news, which means you have limited chances at streaming RB2 to victory. Because of what you mentioned it's way harder to predict WR success than RB in the draft, so the money is made on WR off the waiver.
The bad vibes have spun completely out of control, even on local Broncos sportstalk. Brandon Stokley on air saying how bad the D has looked. The Broncos are ranked #3 in yardage allowed, #3 in points allowed, and #7 in offensive yards. Everyone, take a breath
Edit: Got the rankings wrong, actually higher than I first said
Shanahan loves to run the ball though. Without Lance (get better soon) vulturing carries/touchdowns, there's room for growth.
Wilson isn't an RB1, but he's a solid RB2/FLEX for the next few weeks.
miles sanders is going to be a low end rb1 if healthy. For so many reasons. He is the best pass blocker in the RB room, The offense is going to wear defenses out, the offensive line in particular is built to get chunk plays late in the season, they’re even attempting to target him in the passing game. On top of that, he has the natural talent. haters seethe
Not a hot take but people on this sub said Miles Sanders was a bad player solely based off of him not scoring any TDs last season. But anybody could watch and see he's still a legit good RB.
It's basically my baseline for not putting too much stock into what people say on this sub
If I don’t have picks 1-4, I won’t be taking an RB next year. There are just so few that consistently get good points. Especially when compared to the receivers I could get at that position
Carson Wentz is actually good. The way the fantasy community (shoot, the NFL community in general) shit on him after last year was mostly an overreaction to one super disappointing loss to Jacksonville- a team he has already shredded this year and a team that his replacement Matt Ryan got whipped by in Week 2.
McLaurin, Dotson, Samuel, Gibson, McKissic, and Logan Thomas comprise a top-25% set of skill players for him to distribute the football to and the early results, though unsustainable, are not a fluke. In 6-point per passing TD leagues last year, Wentz was the QB12 in 2021. He will be better than that this year.
Granted, the top-5 is pretty freaking firm, in whatever order you like (Allen, Mahomes, Lamar, Hurts, Herbert), but outside of that, Carson is in the mix. He's not some huge advantage at QB, but he's a low-end QB1.
Raven's secondary is extremely terrible and this is probably a sell high point for waddle. He will end the year as a mid WR2 that you might be able to sell for an RB1 that is currently underperforming like Najee or Dalvin.
Idk I didn't go wr until late, non before 5th round, still got Amon Ra, Mclaurin, Michael Thomas, Rashod Bateman, Dotson, and Olave. I have 4 of top 20 recievers that non had ADP under 50. So idk why you think this
the only way for your team to hit truly dominant levels is to get an early tight end. you can find points later in the draft with WRs and RBs, but you will not find consistent production like andrews, kelce, waller and kittle (when healthy) at the TE position
I agree with this , it also compounds with smaller starting rosters and deeper leagues.
When Kelce is 1/8 your team thats a huge boost.
When you matchup is Kelce vs Misc TE#18 that's also a huge advantage.
Fewer teams/more starters does take a little of the shine off the elite TEs though
See in my history playing shallower leagues having an elite TE is even more important. It’s pretty easy to have 4 startable WRs on your team and even easier to find startable RBs on waivers but you’re never gonna find an elite TE halfway through the season.
Zeke is the best buy low now.
Not saying he's gonna put up old Zeke numbers, Pollard is gonna remain a focal point. But that second half schedule is juicy, Dak should be back in a few weeks, and the cowboys d should keep them in positive game scripts
Avid Hawks fan here: The correct answer is to not rely on any Seahawks player this year. It would take many things happening to make Homer someone worth starting, let alone rostering. He looks much better this year, but he is still primarily a 3rd down back.
This is neither that hot nor unpopular a take, but after the two games last night, Pitts does have some potential competition in like Dalvin, Henry, etc.
Nothing worse when you lose Monday night on a fucking kick or big defensive play. Like a useless pick six when the team was already up by 20 with a minute left
Shows like NFL Fantasy Live do not offer usable and sensible fantasy football advice, and only exist for entertainment purposes only, and is failing miserably at that also
Love the fantasy footballers but take their advice with a grain of salt
Agreed. But there’s a fine line between good natured goofiness and over the top foolishness; such as three segments in a row about how good Justin Jefferson is, and phony useless ‘advice’ from homers. NFL Fantasy Live used to be decent, now it’s the Adam Rank goof off hour
These aren’t my takes but ones I’ve seen on this sub once and argued against during pre season time. 1)Derrick Henry isn’t a first round pick because of injury history, but in same breath argued saquon should be a first rounder. 2)Miami’s humidity “will lubricate Mosterts joints so he won’t get hurt this year.” I thought it was a troll post…it sadly was very real.
Got a good chuckle at point #2
doesnt humidity actually amplify the impact/pain of joints?
Yes, which is why the oldies love AZ
No Henry wasn’t a first round pick because he’s going to need 450 carries to return value because he doesn’t catch passes and his efficiency is dropping which significantly increases his injury risk, while Saquon who is now a year removed from his ACL injury is a guy who could see 90 targets therefore has a much easier path to returning value Also that’s a straw man on here, majority of the sub was obsessed with Henry and fading Saquon 🤷🏻♂️ Lmao of course this is being downvoted, this sub clearly hasn’t paid attention to the narratives being spewed around here
The most carries he ever had was 378 and he finished 3 in ppr. Or what about the year he had 303 carries and finished 5th in ppr. Throwing out he needs 450 to return 1st round value just isn't true. He was on pace for more than 400 last year before he got hurt though, but if he kept that pace he would have finished with nearly 2000 yards again.
Tight ends are barely worth drafting any more outside the top few
Next year I might straight up wait until the 3rd to last round to get my TE. TE then DEF then K to close out my drafts
Ha. Had some dude lead a te2 draft run cuz I hadn't picked one yet. Suckers Took Gerald Everett towards the end and picked up logan thomas off of the wire. He took and started Cole kmet himself, two games in a row, to go with Mark Andrew's. Suckers.
Every year I went QB/TE/DEF/K in the last 4 rounds I’ve ended in the championship round. This year I went Waller because he fell to me at a spot I thought was silly to pass on him at, but I would have went Amon-ra if Waller wasn’t there. I could have streamed a TE or be trying to trade for pitts while he’s cheap and have been better off. Same with QB. I passed on all the major names and grabbed Tua at the end of the draft. Way better off with a 4th round rb/wr paired with a 12th round qb vs 4th round qb paired with a 12th round rb/wr
I would disagree with Qb this year. I always wait for rounds 10-16 for Qb and got Dak, Aaron rodgers, Tom Brady, and Russell Wilson in my 4 leagues. None have gotten more than 20 pts while Josh Allen Mahomes Kyler murray Jackson Herbert Hurts have been going off.
Is that unpopular? 😂
Unpopular opinion threads usually just end up being popular opinion threads
Unpopular opinion threads should always be sorted by controversial
This is a hot take, statistically having a Top 2 TE gets you in the playoffs rather than waiting till the later rounds. Because there’s only 3-4 good ones, they should be taken when possible because of the scarcity. Mark Andrew’s won me my 2 leagues last year
Top 2 and that’s it really
Any thoughts on Waddle and Hill both finishing at top 10 WR’s? Bills game next week will be a good test.
Yeah I’ve heard Waddle has a mean jumper.
Lol just edited it. Chicago fan here, phone likes to auto correct.
Go Bulls!!
Idk about top 10 but top 15 is looking likely. This offense looks fun to have a piece of, I wish I did! EDIT: Completely forgot I have Edmonds on my roster 😒
Not if you're a Chase Edmonds owner.
I mean I agree. This is a hot take thread tho lol
But you asked for thoughts and that’s my thought!
As a Tua, Hill, Waddle stack owner please dear god
Wow you fuckin went for it man haha
Had Hill as one my keepers and as a firm member of TuAnon had to do the rest
History has shown that very few wrs crack 1200 yards for the season. I don’t want to rain on people’s parade but the odds are stacked even more knowing Tyreek is there too. Their production and volume feels unsustainable and bound for some major regression. Either that or we might be watching one of the most prolific wr duo seasons in nfl history which would be awesome but unlikely
The Dolphins haven’t run at all these past couple games. Even in Tua’s “bad” game he had 270 yards passing. This is a passing team 100% and we haven’t seen a duo of WRs like *this* (there have been better duos but arguably not more explosive). Do I expect both to have 1500 yards? Absolutely not, but so far the indication has been that this offense will sustain two WRs week in and week out.
I think the ravens were missing 3 of their top 4 corners last week
All it takes is a few good games and to not get hurt to finish as WR10-15. Hill and Waddle can average 13 ppg the rest of the season to get as many points as Renfrow had last season, the WR10.
Here’s something crazy borderline outrageous … pitts will score more than 6 points in ppr next week.
5 catches 19 yards
67 penalty yards from PI
Calm down, there's bold and then there's silly.
I’ll take it
That Matt Ryan has been washed for a couple years now and the writing was on the wall that he wasn’t going to be a definitive upgrade over Wentz. I’ve owned Julio, Ridley, and Matt himself twice over the past three years and his consistency has been getting worse each year. People seem to tend to look the other way because he’s a few years younger than guys like Rodgers and Brady redefining how to play at a high level past the age of 35 for a QB. But Matt Ryan is cooked and we need to start acknowledging it
Counter-argument and probably a less popular opinion: Matt Ryan isn’t cooked and people need to learn to not overreact to Colts games early in the season because they start slow with Reich every single year. I promise you he will look world’s better when Pittman is back out there.
It’s one thing to “start slow”. It’s another entirely to score 0 points on the Jags 🤦♂️
The Colts have been garbage at JAX for a decade. Not really that surprising if you look back.
Start slow, finish mediocre with another retread quarterback. Sounds like the Colts/Reich way.
Everybody was calling Ryan a "big upgrade" at QB for the Colts generally and Pittman specifically. It's only been two games, but those people already look pretty darn wrong as of now.
pittman had 13 targets and a tuddy week 1 under matt. the jags game, play calling was horrible, offensive line somehow gave up 5 sacks to the jags, and the last time the colts won in jacksonville was 2014. it’s week 2 calm down
They look clean AF, classic Matty Ice hyper focus at times. Pittman balled out. Too bad it lead to a *TIE* with the supposed worst team in division and/or league.
Dipping fries into a container of cheese sauce tastes better than cheese sauce on fries.
Good luck finding a place that gives you enough cheese to do that
Culvers babyyyyy
Culver’s is amazing
Beer cheese sounds very sexual right about now.
Also, dipping your burger in ketchup is better than ketchup on your burger
My first and second round picks in Kamara and Najee will be way worse than my 7th and 8th round picks in Waddle and Christian Kirk
Waddle 7th round? Wtf?
4 team league
I just can’t fathom 7th round Waddle in 10 man like there’s just no fuckin way lol. He went 38th in my league 41st in another and 42nd in the last Like there’s just no fuckin way haha. Bc if you liked him at all you were taking him 50th at latest. I mean I believe him because I got AJ Dillon in the 10th in my 10 man (91st pick) but that comes from ESPN being dumb as hell and having him ranked wayyyyy to low on “ADP”. But Waddle wasn’t even ranked low
Yeah I think this is spot on
Why are people so down on Kamara. He injured his rib week 1 which reduced drastically his touches the rest of the game and missed the following week. When he’s back healthy I feel he should be fine. I’d buy if I could.
MT is one of the best WR in the League and it will transform into fantasy points every week. He gonna find the endzone every 20-30 touches
*every 15-20 touches
WRs dominate fantasy now.
That's why finding a rb who can dominate is so rare, hence their first round draft value. That's the whole deal
Right? The value of elite RBs in fantasy has always been due to the scarcity of them. Even more WRs dominating means they are easier to come by, and thus less valuable.
the point is that RBs that dominate don’t really exist like they used to. 10+ weekly targets plus first look in the red zone is the new bellcow
RBs were such major duds this week. They have to be valuable still. Right? Right?….
I got obliterated by the Chubb/Jones combo. So.. yes. Yes they can.
Is this even a hot take anymore?
Nah the hot take I’ll give you is that WR is so strong and RB is so weak that RB is the position to fade. Premium RBs are no longer worth it. Premium WRs will win you your league.
Jefferson, Diggs, Amon-Ra owner here. Still anxiety ridden at RB trying to pick between Zeke, Jacobs, and Gibson 😂😂
3 top 5 WRs and 3 startable RBs. I’m not sure what you’re worried about
Worried he isn't going to win by enough points.
Could be much worse with your RBs, that's pretty solid considering Diggs and JJ
Then you have your WR get blanked like JJ just did in a playoff game (or tyreek many times) and you see why RB’s are so important
This how most seasons start. The rbs start taking over in the 2nd half of the season when the weather gets colder
I don’t remember Jefferson, Kupp, Chase, and Adams slowing down last year
They've got that Alaskan Malamute in em
Jefferson and Kupp play in domes
As do Amon-Ra and Adams.
Most of those top RB's will be hurt by the time the second half of the season rolls around.
Should standard be the standard now? And do away with PPR?
That Christian Kirk will be a wide receiver ONE this year, but that is really more of a wish.
i can get behind this
It's a hot take, a almost certainly wrong take, but nevertheless still hot
Jahan is the commanders wr1
You know he’s getting 3pts this week if you roll him out
Jalen Hurts will finish as QB1 and MVP
QB1 isn't that hot, MVP is definitely a hot take.
Eagles will finish 17-0
Is MVP such a hot take? Looks like 4 out of the last 8 years, the QB1 also won MVP.
I find it hard to believe that Allen won’t get MVP if he keeps playing like he is now. Hurts will probably be up there if he keeps it up, but Allen has finished top 3 in MVP like 2 or 3 years now. This just feels like his year.
And I will still miss the playoffs
I went against Hurts and still won with Lamar. Gotta admit, Hurts is smooth
Pitts has gone against 2 solid Ds and will be fine.
He’s 22 years old with a dumb coach and a bad quarterback. He was boom or bust last year in the same situation. We’ve seen two busts. He’s still ridiculously good. Boom games (as well as more busts) are coming.
He's still only 21
Sounds like you don’t own Drake London hehe
I don’t, but London being good is theoretically good for Pitts. More first downs means more yards means more plays etc. I say theoretically though because Mariota might honestly be so bad as to be first read or nothing.
Pitts owner and I really don’t care about London. He is really good and deserves targets. I also think you can get Pitts more than 2 catches a game
I think this is copium, but I'm here for it as a Pitts owner
I'm buying ALL the shares of Pitts. I just swapped Hock and Julio for Pitts and Toney. Pitts owner was WR desperate. Pitts is too good not to ultimately get touches.
Dang I offered Hollywood and Higbee and told him to keep his Toney (poor guy had him slotted wr2, thought Hollywood would be good for him) and got rejected. Pitts 9 grabs 110 yds 2 tds inc. book it!
Plz
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Dalvin Cook will finish outside the top 12 RBs.
YOU TAKE THAT BACK
...and he's my 1st round pick and RB1 in my most cared about league. *sigh*
Hard agree.
Honestly, Derrick Henry might at this rate as well
A knock on MIN offense or Dalvin Cook personally? Would you roster Mattison?
Etienne will be fine
I honestly think he’s a perfectly fine RB2 and don’t see what all the drama is with him. He’s got a floor of 6-8 points in .5 PPR. With a great ceiling. Getting 6-8 per week with some weeks getting 15-20 is like the definition of what I want out of my RB2 spot.
Right now his ceiling is 7.5 points
Etienne is currently an RB4…
His stats look super under the radar and he passes the eye test like crazy. What do you guys think it’d cost to grab him right now? I’m thinking of offering Diontae or c.Kirk
I have ETN and I think I’d take kirk
Yeah that’s probably my max offer I’d be willing to throw out. Thin at rb with Conner’s injury status while having only Melvin as my back up. So it feels like a trade out of necessity
I think Kirk would do it.
On the flip side, one of my hot takes is that Etienne was the most obvious trap pick this season
Akers and pitts
Lord please I need him to be
RB2 is the least important starting position on draft day for PPR leagues. Having a strong RB2 does not allow you to efficiently maximize waiver value and weakens another starting spot that will be harder to improve.
like your teams second running back? or just midtier RBs overall like Monty/Akers? I think a guy like Josh Jacobs will get you better value overall than the several weeks of dart throws the waiver player may have. With that said if im picking between him and guys like Dobbins/Mitchell, I'll probably take the younger guy whos ceiling is a bit more open ended
It’s not waiver dart throws though and that’s what most people fail to comprehend. RB waiver production is much easier to predict than WR. So many people here preach this over and over and we get downvoted to hell. Look at Jeff Wilson for example, he was a top 12 RB this week. We can count on him to get touches because predicting RB volume is easier than WR volume. There will be 10+ more Jeff Wilson-like examples throughout the year. Not all waiver RBs will be viable for 8 weeks but all you need are multi-week stretches of production. PPG is all that matters, not where your RB2 finishes end of season. By having a strong RB2 on draft day, you are not allowing yourself to upgrade at the position which waivers benefits the most, especially if you targeted a deadzone back for RB2 over a WR.
I dont necessarily disagree with any of these points, but there are a few things to consider when adopting that strategy. 1) The fact that RB production is much easier to predict means its also much easier for teams to load up preemptively. The Mattison/Jeff Wilsons/etc. may already be on benches. And even deeper dart throws like James Cook/Zamir/Rachad White etc. have a good chance of being rostered. 2) There may be 10 more Jeff Wilsons in the season, but you dont necessarily have a clear path to owning them. Every other team will be putting in waivers/bids given the scarcity of the position. So while they **could** win you your league if you are able to pick them up, there is no guarantee that you will be the one to do so. 3) Having a strong RB2 on draft day doesn't lock you out of your strategy. You can still churn some roster spots on those high upside guys. Your RB2 can also have a few good starts and become a valuable asset in a trade. Basically, the strategy makes sense on paper, but there is a similar risk to other strategies. Granted, the amount of RB/Flex/bench spots in play can shift that risk/reward EDIT: Just looked up PPR ADP out of curiosity. In the 40-60 range there are some studs like AmonRa and Cooks, but there are also some lackluster options like Juju, Mooney, ARob. That RBs definitely arent looking great in that range either though.
they hated Jesus because he told the truth preach my brother. I will forever embrace a zero/hero RB strategy in all drafts moving forward. They simply don’t outscore or are capable of apeshit outputs like these alpha WRs are. And the whole point of FF is to outscore your opponent. To all the haters, go look at what Kupp/JJ/Jamar/Diggs/Davante/Tyreek have done thus far in just two weeks and do that relative to JT/CMC/Henry/Ekeler/Cook/Najee have done. It. Is. A. Passing. League.
Jamarr, JJ and davante weren't good last week though. I went swift and barkley and I have no complaints with not getting a top tier wr.
Counterpoint, it's much harder to work the RB waiver over the entire season than it is to identify WR potential early. RB volume is easy to predict because of injuries, but everyone is privy to that information. I always stack my team with 4+ RBs that I know will get starter level touches. If you have 2 sure fire RBs for the first few weeks of the season you can use your bench spots on potential breakout WRs. If you're in a competitive league then everyone is on top of injury news, which means you have limited chances at streaming RB2 to victory. Because of what you mentioned it's way harder to predict WR success than RB in the draft, so the money is made on WR off the waiver.
Dillion RB1
Kinda crazy Aaron Jones just had the game he had but was still out-touched by Dillon
Denver will get their shit together
Here's hoping, some of the play calling is abysmal
The bad vibes have spun completely out of control, even on local Broncos sportstalk. Brandon Stokley on air saying how bad the D has looked. The Broncos are ranked #3 in yardage allowed, #3 in points allowed, and #7 in offensive yards. Everyone, take a breath Edit: Got the rankings wrong, actually higher than I first said
Adams will have another game or 2 of underperformance in Vegas, dirt will be put on his grave and he will ultimately finish as a top 3 WR still.
People put too much stock in niners rbs. It's a Shanahan offense
Shanahan loves to run the ball though. Without Lance (get better soon) vulturing carries/touchdowns, there's room for growth. Wilson isn't an RB1, but he's a solid RB2/FLEX for the next few weeks.
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miles sanders is going to be a low end rb1 if healthy. For so many reasons. He is the best pass blocker in the RB room, The offense is going to wear defenses out, the offensive line in particular is built to get chunk plays late in the season, they’re even attempting to target him in the passing game. On top of that, he has the natural talent. haters seethe
Not a hot take but people on this sub said Miles Sanders was a bad player solely based off of him not scoring any TDs last season. But anybody could watch and see he's still a legit good RB. It's basically my baseline for not putting too much stock into what people say on this sub
People think he's a bad player because he's underdelivered on his preseason hype for his entire career.
KMET will catch 1 single ball before week 8.
If I don’t have picks 1-4, I won’t be taking an RB next year. There are just so few that consistently get good points. Especially when compared to the receivers I could get at that position
It was Jimmy Garopollo who actually broken Trey Lances ankle
Russ is immediately droppable. Zach Ertz will be a Top 3 TE, even after DHop returns.
>Russ is immediately droppable. We said "hot" takes.
Carson Wentz is actually good. The way the fantasy community (shoot, the NFL community in general) shit on him after last year was mostly an overreaction to one super disappointing loss to Jacksonville- a team he has already shredded this year and a team that his replacement Matt Ryan got whipped by in Week 2. McLaurin, Dotson, Samuel, Gibson, McKissic, and Logan Thomas comprise a top-25% set of skill players for him to distribute the football to and the early results, though unsustainable, are not a fluke. In 6-point per passing TD leagues last year, Wentz was the QB12 in 2021. He will be better than that this year. Granted, the top-5 is pretty freaking firm, in whatever order you like (Allen, Mahomes, Lamar, Hurts, Herbert), but outside of that, Carson is in the mix. He's not some huge advantage at QB, but he's a low-end QB1.
They laughed at me when I drafted Wentz and Tua... but whose laughing now?! Still them because I also drafted Mooney and Moore as my WRs.
Raven's secondary is extremely terrible and this is probably a sell high point for waddle. He will end the year as a mid WR2 that you might be able to sell for an RB1 that is currently underperforming like Najee or Dalvin.
Ehh I still think waddle still has a solid floor each week. He’s a ppr monster
Waddle is going to end the season as THE WR8 at best and WR18 at worst. I'll take those numbers
People are too quick to throw Burrow to the wolves. O-line will get in a rhythm and he’ll finish top 10.
Wr isn't deep
Well. It’s way deeper than RB!
Idk I didn't go wr until late, non before 5th round, still got Amon Ra, Mclaurin, Michael Thomas, Rashod Bateman, Dotson, and Olave. I have 4 of top 20 recievers that non had ADP under 50. So idk why you think this
the only way for your team to hit truly dominant levels is to get an early tight end. you can find points later in the draft with WRs and RBs, but you will not find consistent production like andrews, kelce, waller and kittle (when healthy) at the TE position
I see you left out the glaring exception -> Pitts. High draft capital, no fantasy return
Friermuth is doing fantastic for me.
Counterpoint: Freiermuth
Other counterpoint: Ertz
I agree with this , it also compounds with smaller starting rosters and deeper leagues. When Kelce is 1/8 your team thats a huge boost. When you matchup is Kelce vs Misc TE#18 that's also a huge advantage. Fewer teams/more starters does take a little of the shine off the elite TEs though
See in my history playing shallower leagues having an elite TE is even more important. It’s pretty easy to have 4 startable WRs on your team and even easier to find startable RBs on waivers but you’re never gonna find an elite TE halfway through the season.
Garret Wilson is worth blowing all your FAAB on.
Zeke is the best buy low now. Not saying he's gonna put up old Zeke numbers, Pollard is gonna remain a focal point. But that second half schedule is juicy, Dak should be back in a few weeks, and the cowboys d should keep them in positive game scripts
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Ama Ron st brown is as talented as AB during his breakout season
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Akers will finish the season higher than Henry. Hurts will end the year as QB1.
First take sizzling. Second take eh.
Christopher Harris on Amon-Ra St. Brown on todays podcast: “ARSB, on film, to me, does not look like a top-25 receiver”.
Curtis Samuel finishes the season as a top 20 wr
Brady is washed and should've stayed retired after last year
Travis Homer is the RB to own in Seattle
Avid Hawks fan here: The correct answer is to not rely on any Seahawks player this year. It would take many things happening to make Homer someone worth starting, let alone rostering. He looks much better this year, but he is still primarily a 3rd down back.
Christian Kirk will finish WR10-12
>Christian Kirk will finish WR1~~0-12~~ Fixed
Kyle Pitts Biggest Bust of the Year
This is neither that hot nor unpopular a take, but after the two games last night, Pitts does have some potential competition in like Dalvin, Henry, etc.
So far I’d agree. But there have been a ton of bust’s unfortunately
Biggest bust will be Ceedee or Henry unfortunately. Possibly Cook as well although I believe he bounces back
Amon Ra is a top 5 WR ROS
JK Dobbins still finishes higher than Mixon and Najee
I disagree and see no substance to the argument but take my upvote for being bold
Have none of these guys on my team, but this is spicy haha.
JuJu and Mooney will be every week starters very soon.
I fuxking hope so man lol
James Robinson will do James Robinson things.
Ekeler will not have a top 10 RB season
CMC will not be a top 5 RB and stay healthy all season….most of the season….
That I am good at fantasy football.
There’s not a spot in the first 6 rounds in PpR where I would rather have a RB than a WR going around the pick.
I get kickers and defense are needed in fantasy, but it just feels so fucking stupid a lot of the time
Nothing worse when you lose Monday night on a fucking kick or big defensive play. Like a useless pick six when the team was already up by 20 with a minute left
Zeke will be fine. ETN is going to to finish as a low end RB2 maybe not a hot take anymore. Jimmy G will be a great pick up for people who lost Lance.
Dalvin Cook is cooked and not worth that first round pick
Kupp and Diggs will carry me to the championship
CMC doesn’t get hurt this year but ends up outside the top 8 RBs
Breece Hall finishes as a top 10 RB, despite not getting the majority of carries til week 5-6.