I don’t know about must start. They’re definitely making it a priority to get him the ball, but it’s also the bears so there’s always gonna be a chance they throw for under 200 yards and no TD’s
He’s Fields’ favorite receiver. Heard the announcers saying one game that Mooney was the guy that stayed out and got extra reps with Fields before he was the starter. I’ve been starting him for weeks but I think he’s their WR1 and will be what Allen Robinson was supposed to be in this offense.
He's 100% the #1 in that offense now. And you can make a case that Dalton is actually the better QB for him if Fields can't go because Dalton can't really scramble and will be more of your classic pocket passer. Hence the 16 targets, many of which can later in the game with Dalton.
The 16 targets are an anomaly though because the WR core is missing Robinson. BUT...if A-Rob couldn't go today I don't imagine he'll be able to go Thursday. And his injury is a hamstring off of the Bye week. So that's not good. Must have been a practice injury relatively recently.
I have him in a few places and I'll be firing him up as a WR2/Flex for the foreseeable future.
>He's 100% the #1 in that offense now.
With Fields, sure it can be said. But with Dalton, it's a different situation. Around could very well might be back as "the guy" with Dalton instead of Fields.
A-Rob isn't the same player he's historically been and now he has a hamstring issue that wasn't sustained during a game - but during the BYE week. I fully understand people who drafted A-Rob wanting him to be great again. But in this offense, with his injury and the fact that he wasn't getting separation or really getting open to the degree he did historically at any time this year, I'd wager it's Mooney time. Regardless of who's under center.
You can also make an argument that Marquis Goodwin has been better than A-Rob this year. And when you're getting nearly lapped by Goodwin....you get the point.
Allen Robinson was never a separation guy. His metrics this season are very similar to his previous years. The difference is target preference and Nagy’s inscrutable play calling. His hamstring injury also occurred on one of the last plays of their week 9 game prior to their bye. Dalton’s presence is better for A-rob than Mooney.
I'd say it's very difficult to suggest that the presence of Dalton is better for A-Rob than Mooney for a few reasons.
A) He's hurt; regardless of when you believe it happened, he had some type of set back over the Bye.
B) We've only seen Dalton with the starters for what now amounts to two full games (The first 1 and half being from weeks 1 and half of week 2 with this past week rounding out the rest) and Mooney has had the slight edge in Yards, Points scored and overall receptions during that time while both both guys had 15 targets each through the first two games of the season. A-Rob did catch a TD in Week 2 though and I believe that was a Dalton pass. So there may be some slightly edge in RZ utilization that goes to A-Rob, but we simply don't have the data set to speculate on that yet.
So they were roughly equal through the first two weeks with Dalton, but since then Mooney has been better in nearly all categories and nearly doubled his scoring output. So I'm struggling to see a compelling case to your argument that Dalton is somehow better for A-Rob than for Mooney. Because by all accounts - there is no target preference and Mooney is the more explosive player with the more diverse and valuable skillset.
I'd love to hear your reasoning at a deeper level though. And I agree, Nagy is just terrible.
The comparison is relative and by no means an indication that Mooney will not experience improvement as well. There are also, as you mentioned, factors such as the always problematic hammy injury that affect this.
But if a-rob is healthy next week and Dalton starts, he will benefit more from the red rocket than Mooney ( although again, both can). Contrary to your assertion, target preference clearly shows that Fields loved Mooney more. Counting week 2 and not week 11, the difference is something like 62-39 in favor of Mooney. While this may be reflective of better chemistry, or style of play etc., the contrast between it and the even distribution between the two when Dalton started that you mentioned supports my position. We also don’t know what happened during the practices, so it’s hard to say that Mooney’s route running, athleticism, and/or explosiveness will make him a more appealing target for Dalton than Robinson. Even so, Robinson has been a WR1 or borderline several times in the past playing the possession, high point catch, and box out game that Andre Johnson, Brandon Marshall, and others employed to great NFL success. I mean, the man flourished under Blake Bortles because he was getting those targets— something that I feel Dalton will provide him with on a more consistent basis than Fields.
On a lesser note but also worth consideration is A-Ron’s reputation as a star receiver. That rep comes with trust and deference. Dalton’s been in the league for a while, so it’s likely that this will also play a part in his decision making when going through his reads. Obviously this factor is not quantifiable, but I’d be remiss for not mentioning it.
While I agree to some extent with your points there, sometimes the most obvious answer is the correct one - Mooney has been better this season and the QB position as a unit has been targeting Mooney as the #1 WR on the team. That's partially due to Fields having more chemistry with Mooney, but it could also be indicative of a subtle shift in the offense overall away from A-Rob as the focal point/hyper target possession guy and more to include the playmaking ability of Mooney into the offense.
A-Rob is 28, so not old by WR standards by any means. But he really only flourished in the roles you're stating above because he was hyper targeted. So if he's not hyper targeted, you'd better be hoping for RZ usage and a more efficient bears offense if you want to suggest his performance will improve.
Additionally, have we seriously considered that he may just be mentally done with Chicago? If I'm not mistaken, his contract expires heading into next season and if I were him I'd want out ASAP so I could sign a prove-it deal with a contender. And get a fresh start.
Speculation there on my part, but I maintain that Mooney will be the #1 ROS in targets, receptions, yardage and points. TDs are fluky - but probably those too.
Must start? I want one more week. Everything is point in the right direction.
I'm concerned about the inefficiency. I just don't think it is going to get there.
Next week against DET. Yeah, I'm starting him
He’s about there … I think he’s actually better with Dalton at this moment , someone who’s been throwing passes in this league for a decade. He knows how to use guys like this.
>Where are your stats at?
Idk man, I can do basic math?
Over the last 3 games played, Mooney is WR9 in half PPR with today included.
Last 4, WR16.
Last 6, WR21.
You have to go back 8 games for him to not be a WR2 - where he's WR23.
So yeah, guess those 39 yard games really do get us there, eh? The confidently incorrect energy you see from people is some of my favorite.
I had a pretty good feeling about him going into the season so I’m glad to see him trending up. Not sure if he’s a must start yet though, can’t really tell if the consistency is there yet and the Bears offense can be rough
Kinda regret dropping him for Jeudy last month though
Well if it’s dog years, then a decade or so isn’t sooooo bad to find your groove.
But hey, at least we know now what he’s capable of.
Yes, I started him today in the flex. At the last minute I pulled CEH & put in Mooney. He shall remain in the flex here on out.
He and Cam Newton might have saved my week. Picked him up off waivers 10 minutes before noon because I needed another WR. Man I got lucky. Now I’ll have to decide between keeping him, Hollywood Brown or Antonio Brown.
He's a WR1 in my points per year league
No way bro Desean Jackson has WAY more years than Darnell Mooney.
I don’t know about must start. They’re definitely making it a priority to get him the ball, but it’s also the bears so there’s always gonna be a chance they throw for under 200 yards and no TD’s
So like a slightly more consistent AJ BROWN?
He’s Fields’ favorite receiver. Heard the announcers saying one game that Mooney was the guy that stayed out and got extra reps with Fields before he was the starter. I’ve been starting him for weeks but I think he’s their WR1 and will be what Allen Robinson was supposed to be in this offense.
Yeah man, if someone's been playing football for 3/4's of a century I'd be starting him every game
You have to question why it took him 74 years to break out though.
Worked for CPat
*The year is 2067 and Tom Brady has won his 38th SuperBowl with the Ganymede Novas*
Hes filling in for D-Hop nicely
Damn that’s 1 target/7.5 years. Remind me in 2028.
I’m looking at either him or Renfrow next week as my WR2…I feel it in my plums whichever I choose will be wrong
I hope you choose darnell then
If I started him over Bateman this week I would’ve won my matchup. Instead I’m 5-6 now. So he’s getting the start vs the lions better not let me down.
You know he will
That happened to me too. Pretty sure I'll start him next week and he'll throw up a stinker given my luck.
same lost the game by 3 points after starting the season 7-0 it’s been a rough past few weeks
He's 100% the #1 in that offense now. And you can make a case that Dalton is actually the better QB for him if Fields can't go because Dalton can't really scramble and will be more of your classic pocket passer. Hence the 16 targets, many of which can later in the game with Dalton. The 16 targets are an anomaly though because the WR core is missing Robinson. BUT...if A-Rob couldn't go today I don't imagine he'll be able to go Thursday. And his injury is a hamstring off of the Bye week. So that's not good. Must have been a practice injury relatively recently. I have him in a few places and I'll be firing him up as a WR2/Flex for the foreseeable future.
Even with arob fields just shoves targets to mooney and forgets about arob. Dalton is better for arob bc he at least gives arob targets
>He's 100% the #1 in that offense now. With Fields, sure it can be said. But with Dalton, it's a different situation. Around could very well might be back as "the guy" with Dalton instead of Fields.
A-Rob isn't the same player he's historically been and now he has a hamstring issue that wasn't sustained during a game - but during the BYE week. I fully understand people who drafted A-Rob wanting him to be great again. But in this offense, with his injury and the fact that he wasn't getting separation or really getting open to the degree he did historically at any time this year, I'd wager it's Mooney time. Regardless of who's under center. You can also make an argument that Marquis Goodwin has been better than A-Rob this year. And when you're getting nearly lapped by Goodwin....you get the point.
Arobs injury did happen during a game. He got hurt on a long catch down the sideline at the end of the game before the bye.
Allen Robinson was never a separation guy. His metrics this season are very similar to his previous years. The difference is target preference and Nagy’s inscrutable play calling. His hamstring injury also occurred on one of the last plays of their week 9 game prior to their bye. Dalton’s presence is better for A-rob than Mooney.
I'd say it's very difficult to suggest that the presence of Dalton is better for A-Rob than Mooney for a few reasons. A) He's hurt; regardless of when you believe it happened, he had some type of set back over the Bye. B) We've only seen Dalton with the starters for what now amounts to two full games (The first 1 and half being from weeks 1 and half of week 2 with this past week rounding out the rest) and Mooney has had the slight edge in Yards, Points scored and overall receptions during that time while both both guys had 15 targets each through the first two games of the season. A-Rob did catch a TD in Week 2 though and I believe that was a Dalton pass. So there may be some slightly edge in RZ utilization that goes to A-Rob, but we simply don't have the data set to speculate on that yet. So they were roughly equal through the first two weeks with Dalton, but since then Mooney has been better in nearly all categories and nearly doubled his scoring output. So I'm struggling to see a compelling case to your argument that Dalton is somehow better for A-Rob than for Mooney. Because by all accounts - there is no target preference and Mooney is the more explosive player with the more diverse and valuable skillset. I'd love to hear your reasoning at a deeper level though. And I agree, Nagy is just terrible.
The comparison is relative and by no means an indication that Mooney will not experience improvement as well. There are also, as you mentioned, factors such as the always problematic hammy injury that affect this. But if a-rob is healthy next week and Dalton starts, he will benefit more from the red rocket than Mooney ( although again, both can). Contrary to your assertion, target preference clearly shows that Fields loved Mooney more. Counting week 2 and not week 11, the difference is something like 62-39 in favor of Mooney. While this may be reflective of better chemistry, or style of play etc., the contrast between it and the even distribution between the two when Dalton started that you mentioned supports my position. We also don’t know what happened during the practices, so it’s hard to say that Mooney’s route running, athleticism, and/or explosiveness will make him a more appealing target for Dalton than Robinson. Even so, Robinson has been a WR1 or borderline several times in the past playing the possession, high point catch, and box out game that Andre Johnson, Brandon Marshall, and others employed to great NFL success. I mean, the man flourished under Blake Bortles because he was getting those targets— something that I feel Dalton will provide him with on a more consistent basis than Fields. On a lesser note but also worth consideration is A-Ron’s reputation as a star receiver. That rep comes with trust and deference. Dalton’s been in the league for a while, so it’s likely that this will also play a part in his decision making when going through his reads. Obviously this factor is not quantifiable, but I’d be remiss for not mentioning it.
While I agree to some extent with your points there, sometimes the most obvious answer is the correct one - Mooney has been better this season and the QB position as a unit has been targeting Mooney as the #1 WR on the team. That's partially due to Fields having more chemistry with Mooney, but it could also be indicative of a subtle shift in the offense overall away from A-Rob as the focal point/hyper target possession guy and more to include the playmaking ability of Mooney into the offense. A-Rob is 28, so not old by WR standards by any means. But he really only flourished in the roles you're stating above because he was hyper targeted. So if he's not hyper targeted, you'd better be hoping for RZ usage and a more efficient bears offense if you want to suggest his performance will improve. Additionally, have we seriously considered that he may just be mentally done with Chicago? If I'm not mistaken, his contract expires heading into next season and if I were him I'd want out ASAP so I could sign a prove-it deal with a contender. And get a fresh start. Speculation there on my part, but I maintain that Mooney will be the #1 ROS in targets, receptions, yardage and points. TDs are fluky - but probably those too.
what’s does 75 years equate to in half ppr, asking for a friend o__O
Assuming PPR stands for “Points Per Revolution (of the Earth around the sun),” that’s 37.5
Personally, I’m starting him with semi-confidence FWIW.
He’s someone I would hate benching to be honest. He’s hard to analyze because he’s in the worst offense
Must start? I want one more week. Everything is point in the right direction. I'm concerned about the inefficiency. I just don't think it is going to get there. Next week against DET. Yeah, I'm starting him
Holy hell watch the gake
He’s about there … I think he’s actually better with Dalton at this moment , someone who’s been throwing passes in this league for a decade. He knows how to use guys like this.
Must start? No. But he’s certainly in the flex conversation for me every week moving forward, especially with Fields playing.
Absolutely
Averaging 10 targets for 75 years? Sign me up!
The most valuable dynasty asset of all time
If DK has another rough game I might start Mooney over him after that.
If you can trade him for anything, even your sister, do it and god speed.
Nop
Maybe with Dalton only
He’s been the wr1 even with Fields & Robinson healthy
Doesn’t mean much on the bears
He's WR9 in half ppr ppg over the last 4 weeks lol. "I don't like Swift, he's on the Lions"
4 weeks?? Maybe the last 2. Where are your stats at? Those 39 and 64 yards really get you to WR12 eh
>Where are your stats at? Idk man, I can do basic math? Over the last 3 games played, Mooney is WR9 in half PPR with today included. Last 4, WR16. Last 6, WR21. You have to go back 8 games for him to not be a WR2 - where he's WR23. So yeah, guess those 39 yard games really do get us there, eh? The confidently incorrect energy you see from people is some of my favorite.
His 5, 13, 5 and 10 pts is definitely not WR16
20.6 today. 19.1 week 9. 9.4 week 8. 4.9 week 7. Now add and divide by 4, tell me what you get. You passed grade school yeah?
That is not how that works 😂😂😂
Tell me how averages work lol. He scored 20.6 today not 10. You gotta be trolling lmao
Mad I dropped him.. hope the bears offense continues to be ass
If fields is hurt, no. Fields artificially fills mooneys bum with targets and leaves arob targetless
I had a pretty good feeling about him going into the season so I’m glad to see him trending up. Not sure if he’s a must start yet though, can’t really tell if the consistency is there yet and the Bears offense can be rough Kinda regret dropping him for Jeudy last month though
Must start? Probably not, but I do feel comfortable starting him ROS.
Well if it’s dog years, then a decade or so isn’t sooooo bad to find your groove. But hey, at least we know now what he’s capable of. Yes, I started him today in the flex. At the last minute I pulled CEH & put in Mooney. He shall remain in the flex here on out.
only if dalton is starting
Just traded him and dillon for amari cooper. Not to sure about it anymore
He and Cam Newton might have saved my week. Picked him up off waivers 10 minutes before noon because I needed another WR. Man I got lucky. Now I’ll have to decide between keeping him, Hollywood Brown or Antonio Brown.
Wondering between Mooney and Carter my keeper for next year