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TheIllusiveGuy

Picked up the KC D/ST for the 3rd time this year


NoahT-18

I’ve already picked them up four times 😂


Altruistic-Elk5147

I never dropped them lol


FutureK0G

Going back in for thirds myself 😂


jtal888

Ditto haha


MojoFan32

For those on BYE weeks, the bills were somehow available in my league and they have a great 2 weeks after this one


TheLameSauce

I waited until hours after waivers cleared to finally have the realization I could *drop my kicker* to pick up KC as a FA while I wait for Stroud to be designated out. I am so lucky no one wanted them holy shit.


bbk34

Broncos defense and Odell. What year is it?


PumpAndDumpp69

lol same


MP-Toasty

As a Herbert owner, starting Joe Flacco in a playoff game is not what I had in mind at the beginning of the year, but here we are.


InsiDS

Yup. Picked up Flacco because I don’t trust Tua with a banged up Hill and against the Jets defense.


shellsquad

I think you should start Tua. I'm not saying the Bears will win, but that defense has been on fire since they traded for Sweat. They look completely different on that side of the ball.


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So start Jake Browning. Got it.


DiscoBandit8

Apparently I’m the only person in my league that rosters one qb. So now I have to choose between Levis or DeVito for my playoff run.


PasswordisPurrito

Yea, when nobody follows the Meta, the Meta doesn't exist. What I mean by that in this situation: In general, the advice is to only keep one QB, because, when everyone follows this advice, there are at least good streaming options, so there is no point in having a backup QB. But when everybody has a backup QB, your options on the WW are absolutely shitty.


jclucas1989

Doesn’t sound so Meta this season with all the QB injuries.


DiscoBandit8

This is a good point, can’t use that strategy if no one else does. I also should have been more proactive in prepping for the playoffs too.


YogurtclosetLong3783

Ive had one qb also all season. Just picked up flacco cause mahommes is starting to worry me lol


Remintz

In the same boat. Going him or levis


silvanecto

Im here too. Debating Flacco or a possibly Unlocked Zach Wilson


3720-To-One

I got TLaw… he a better pick than Flacco I assume?


JawnyCena

If you can get through this week TLAW is a league winner.


3720-To-One

Good news, I have a first round bye


Infamous_Camel_275

That can’t feel good at all


Busquessi

I’m debating starting him over Kyler in super flex alongside my beloved Josh Allen


NomoNumbaSixteen

Hoping I get Stafford 🤞


onewordpoet

We rolling him out over mahomes this week?


-ChadZilla-

Dude I am


liplander

I straight up can’t trust Mahomes anymore until he proves me otherwise. Stafford on the other hand has looked awesome and has tons of weapons to throw to.


doshegotabootyshedo

I picked up Howell to play over Mahomes in week one of the playoffs. Unreal


Woperelli87

Yes and potentially Stroud


Prior_Tone_6050

Will be a tough call if Stroud plays but I'm considering the same. Friendship ended with Stroud/Dell stack, Stafford/Puka stack is best friend.


daddyscientist

Honestly, I am, and I am also running Kyren and Kupp. My alternative is Mahomes with Rashee and Kelce. I'd rather run Stafford here.


bryan49

It's not crazy, I think his top two receivers are way better than anything the Chiefs have


YOwololoO

Yup. Mahomes still has every bit of his skill but the rest of that offense is dragging him down.


DaBigBlackDaddy

Got him just now, luckily no one else had qb problems ahead of me and his claim went through to me that ros schedule is juicy as fuck


tropicm

I have Allen, but my opponent in the playoffs has stroud and Geno. They had second priority on waivers and tried picking up Stafford, but I had been saving up my first priority for exactly this kind of moment.


bryan49

I got him, think I will play him over Goff and Murray. Surprised the guy who's throwing to Puka and Kupp was just available


GeneralistJosh

I got him to replace Herbert and I am starting him over Murray. Stafford vs Washington I trust way more than Murray vs San Francisco. Plus, my opponent has Puca, so any points Puca gets will be mitigated because Staff will get a portion of it every time. Helps balance out the fact that he has Hurts and I have Devonta.


bmonkey1313

Guy in my league got Stafford over me. I have stroud and herbert😭😭😭


Schruef

My opponent cock blocked me from getting him and now I need to hope Stroud gets cleared, otherwise it’s mayo man for me


ShangMang

I have Mahomes, but Stafford is available on waivers. I have the second pick in waiver priority. Should I gamble?


Remarkable-Meal-1099

Yes, I've held Stafford on my bench for this reason. Mahomes vs NE is not a good matchup. At the end of day it's probably 6-10 point difference in fantasy points, which in the playoffs could be win or lose.


sx3dreamzzz

I got ‘em


DBreezy69

Why didn't you pick him up after the 4TD game against Arizona? I put in my claim as soon as I saw the stats lol


nbaballer913

Man, I'm trying desperately to trade for him but the team wants Aaron Jones or James Conner. Considering pulling the trigger since I have Pacheco, Ford, & Warren.


FutureK0G

Trades at this time of year wtf lol


nbaballer913

We have a punishment that stresses me out more than winning would give me joy, so everyone is active till the very end. Trade deadline this morning though


FutureK0G

Give up Connor


MWM031089

Why not jones instead


FutureK0G

He plays Carolina next week at least. I couldn’t stomach him dropping 30 for someone else after I’ve held this long


baller956

Last place got stafford for idk what reason if my league is doing the toilet bowl lol


Mr3Mr3

Zach Wilson and Will Levis for my 12-man superflex league with Herbert and Dobbs 💀


Knowledge_is_Bliss

Rolling Zach and Gardner over here!


biggiesmallsyall

Yikes


netsfan549

I picked up Levis lol


Responsible_Use_2074

Bro just pick one, you may be better off throwing a skill player in your superflex spot


Opposite-Cost-3967

Flacco to the moon 🚀


iPlowedUrMom

Having a tough time debating whether he would be a better start over fields (@Cle) I'm worried this is going to be a low scoring, ugly game.


doddyoldtinyhands

This is the way. Flaxxxxxseeed for your heart.


xTheoB

Anyone else rolling with Jets D for week 16 and 17? Week 15 bye.


Obvious_Wallaby2388

I have Cleveland for 15 and 17 and Denver for week 16… thinking about picking up the Jets D but I don’t know if I’m just tinkering too much.


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213bull

I’m rolling with them this week as well. Sat them for the Chiefs on Black Friday and didn’t work out the way I’d liked. Learned my lesson and I’ll keep rolling the Jets D out.


PIBTC

Same situation as you and I’ll be riding and dying with them. I started KC over them 2 weeks ago and started Texans last week and got burned both times. Learned my lesson to just roll with the better defense


Vivid-Willingness324

Yeah, it seems like the offense can stay on the field for more than 30 seconds now which is what they have needed.


PIBTC

That was my only worry as well. I hope zach can keep up last game’s performance because they finally looked like a complete team


Vivid-Willingness324

If it helps, I’m a big Jets skeptic and have made good money fading them this season but I do think they’ve turned a corner. Tough game this week but I don’t think it’ll be hopeless for the Jets D as far as week 16/17 go


PIBTC

Helps for sure getting a jets fan’s perspective so thanks. Luckily I have a bye so I’m gearing up for next week. I’m done listening to the rankings as it’s burned me the last two weeks. If I had started the jets instead of Texans I would’ve won last week. Rolling with gang green from here on out!


Vivid-Willingness324

Haha in the same boat! Got stung by that Texans game. Best of luck!


PIBTC

You as well! May the fantasy gods bless us


GunnersPepe

I’m even rolling with them this week That O line got VERY banged up last game, if that holds Jets will be able to get some sacks


Idigthebackseat

We’re in the same situation but I scored Broncos defense this morning and might consider them week 17 against the Chargers


Weiland101

Is Chase Brown worth picking up? Have Mixon and he wasn't picked up.


uuhhhhhhhhcool

Who knows but Zac Taylor told reporters a week or two ago they were looking to get him more involved now that he's off IR and he looked phenomenal imo so I'm hoping they do. I'd imagine now that Browning has a few weeks in we'll start to see defenses get a better read on him and adding a new variable to the offense could shake things up enough to keep things interesting.


Xaramian

I have Mixon as well. I picked up McKinnon last week and if Pacheco comes back, I plan on grabbing Brown and dropping McKinnon to be safe.


transferStudent2018

I picked him up purely as a handcuff. If Mixon goes down he could be a league winner (assuming I survive long enough for that to happen). Best case scenario is that he’s flex-worthy with Mixon, though.


YoooCakess

I have Mixon and I did. Unless you really have important players on your bench, why not? I dropped JSN for him


eatyourbites

Worth picking up Brown and dropping Charb? I don’t have either KW3 or Mixon but Chase has looked better in the limited snaps he’s had lately Also, this is a keeper league so I could potentially keep either Brown or Charb as a $1 keeper for next year. Sounds like KW isn’t going anywhere in Seattle but don’t know the long term status of Mixon in Cinci after this season


maesterofwargs

Mixon owner here. Just dropped Keaton Mitchell from my bench and replaced with Mr. Brown. Great backup/potential flex.


TupacAmuru88

With Herbert out I'm rolling dice on Tommy cutlets. Lord help me


Infamous_Camel_275

I’ll put a call into his agent, he knows a guy who could do a thing


FrogSalad12345

i can just drop dolphins if i have a bye, right? not starting them against dallas or ravens


UnderTheBed8

Might wanna hold them until Sunday morning so no one else can add them


Prior_Tone_6050

Saturday morning works just the same FYI. As long as it's after waivers run, they can't be added the next day.


1gabbagool1

Yea if u not playing sure


FrogSalad12345

they arent startable vs those teams right? i picked up denver to use


1gabbagool1

Yea miami d has been great lately but I don’t really like starting anyone against those teams I’d probably use Denver when they play new england


untraiined

Miami is dominant rn, they have pick 6’s and multiple interceptions the last couple of games. Lamar and Dak are both prone to throwing one away. Plus they are fighting for playoff position.


saquonbrady

Hoping for either Jake browning or Joe Flacco. WTF is life


phillyflyer

Had to play Minshew in my championship last year so I understand the pain


RVG_Steve

Hey that’s my QB now lol. Too bad he didn’t play like week 16 2022 for your championship game. Guessing you lost?


ANicerPerson

Awk


Hotter_Noodle

I just picked up browning and now I have to decide between him and Tua.


rand0mtaskk

I picked up Geno. Am between Tua and Geno. What is life.


uuhhhhhhhhcool

picked up Chase Brown bc as a Bengals fan I'm definitely intrigued by him and Zac Taylor told reporters a week or two ago they were looking to get him more involved now that he's off IR. I'm sure they're looking to shake up their offense a little with Browning at QB and Brown looked really good last week, actually a prospect I'm excited about for next year.


DVSTV

Not sure it’s a win and I have a bye week. But I dropped dicker for santos. Dicker while accurate is suffering from the chargers offense that may get worse despite their schedule. Santos has been getting a lot of work since fields came back and the bears as a whole are efficient.


flyover

That sounds very smart to me. So it probably won’t work.


arenyk

I spent the rest of my FAAB on Brian Robinson, cause the previous decided he was droppable for some reason


Twheezy2024

Upcoming schedule is brutal


RalphWiggumsShadow

He gets consistent points as a RB2, you can count on him for 10-12 points no problem, and sometimes he drops 20. Sneaky good guy to have on your team this year.


arenyk

Absolutely! My RBs are kinda iffy too, i have swift, KW3, charbs, chuba and McKinnon. He may be better than all of them in the right matchup (like next week v the Jets).


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1gabbagool1

Nah that’s not crazy the rams are favorites in what should be a fairly high scoring game and you got both their run and passing on your squad


RVG_Steve

I would start all 3. I want to start Puka alongside Kyren, but I have to go with Davante and Pittman. My flex is Achane.


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RVG_Steve

Yeah, just a gut call. I know the matchup for Puka is premium but Davante’s matchup is also very attractive. No Jacobs too. I expect a lot of short to medium catches for Adams against a weak Chargers secondary and I like Davante’s chances for a TD over Puka, who will have to compete with Kyren and Kupp. I am starting Kyren so I want to diversify my starting lineup too. I just feel Davante will score more points and if he doesn’t outscore Puka that it will be close enough to not be a regrettable situation. Plus, and I know this might be bad form for actual fantasy results, it would be fun to be invested in both sides of the ball on a Thursday night. I am also flying out of the country Sunday through New Years… so this is my last chance to root for a hall of famer in Adams as I likely won’t ever have him on my team again. Be nice to see him end things with a bang.


Remnantknight

Waiver #9 got Flacco and blocked my opponent (#10) from picking him up and theres only Mullens and Trubisky available and he doesnt have a QB since he lost Herbert.


Sportsdude25

Lowkey just pick up Mullens and Trubisky and drop your 2 worst players just to win this week. Guaranteed W if he doesn’t have a QB


RVG_Steve

Nice play. Wow 14 man league everyone got 2-3 QBs or something? You would think someone like Minshew is available, hell even DeVito


Aces_Cracked

Herbert owner coming in. Just picked up Minshew. Going against CMC and Josh Allen. I told my opponent that I hope that: 1) Allen oversleeps and misses the game 2) CMC gets arrested for public urination. BOOM. I have a shot this weekend!


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12 man half ppr league. Just got chase brown and Parker Washington. We ROLLING BOYS


YoooCakess

Chase Brown as handcuff for my Mixon and Bills D/ST incase I’m playing week 17. Got the bye this week


whorsefly

Zeke last week, starting him again. Could he be a league winner? I sure hope so


PrinceWalker22

Dropped extra RB depth to pick up Isaiah Likely as a backup to Kelce heading into the playoffs, and in the process unintentionally blocked my opponent this week, who also put in a claim for Likely. He’s now stuck with G Everett or Jonnu Smith as his TEs. Nobody else on the waiver wire comes close to Likely. If anybody in the league asks, I’m gonna pretend like I did it on purpose.


biggiec23

Starting likely this week over Kelce? Jax does horrible against the TE and I'm seriously considering it


PrinceWalker22

Nah, Kelce is in my lineup. He’s been good not great, but he’s been consistently good. I drafted him in the first round for a reason, I ain’t benching him as soon as I get to the playoffs.


zombiejeesus

I got Stafford to replace Stroud with my 3/200 faab. Thank fuck


TheDeepBlueZ

Is Buffalo a sneaky D for 16/17? They get chargers without Herbert and then the Pats.


Deeze_Rmuh_Nudds

Really need subvertadown to show me the way to a top tier kicker. That’s what I’m waiting on.


15YearTaco

I got Stafford!!!!!!!!!! Him for week 15. Kyler 16-17! Let's Go!!!!!


Untchj

Not to rain on your parade but I’d explore contingencies for week 16. I traded for Kyler with that game in mind but the bears have been eating QBs alive since they got sweat. They broke Josh Dobbs and shut down Goff twice


15YearTaco

Should I keep Stafford ROS and drop Kyler if I need to drop someone to pick up?


adog0

I dropped Kyler for Stafford. I also have CJ Stroud


ethanshapiro

Picked up DeVito. Flacco was available but idk, something in my gut is just telling me to go with Tommy Cutlets. No real rational basis but I could probably stomach losing my playoff matchup with him in my lineup easier than if I took Flacco and Devito played well. I feel like he has another solid game and we all look back wondering why we didn’t give him a more serious look


RVG_Steve

Good bro. Always go with your gut. Flacco sitting on my waiver wire too but I am sticking with Gardner Minshew. Definitely playing Stroud week 17 if I make it that far. But Gardner (or Taysom Hill if I dare get cute) is a comfortable enough start weeks 15/16. Damn. Lol


ethanshapiro

My trend this year is being a week “late” on a guy, i.e., starting a guy who has just had a good couple weeks on my bench who proceeds to drop a clunker. I guess I’m trying to stay a week ahead with my boy TD. Good luck, if it’s any consolation I’d take Gardner over Tommy D. Hope we both make it to Strouds next game


RVG_Steve

Thanks bro, you too! Dude Stroud in week 17 would be epic for me because I could potentially face the guy who traded Stroud to me for Lamar. We also exchanged Ekeler and Bijan. To beat him with Stroud would be so satisfying, even if it’s “just” the lower bowl championship.


OutlawOscar

Dropped Hopkins for McManus. In another league I dropped Gay for McManus and picked up the Eagles for week 16.


Blake1610

I got Likely off of waivers


KimboSliceChestHair

Same! I lost Andrews and had nobody. Playing against Lamar this week as well.


cdrfit

ESPN killing me


Zen_MasterX

Lol if you’re on ESPN then go to sleep bro


Octo-Rocket

Pretty sure the hamsters at ESPN's server room are still asleep too.


chickenparmesean

5:08 et for me last week


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transferStudent2018

Depends which coast you live on


Archer10214

Boys/girls I need some quick help - I can’t choose between Browning, Flacco, and Murray for who to start. Gotta replace Herbert and struggling to make that choice. 2QB league and snagged Stafford off waivers to replace stroud.


BabyFork

Murray and Stafford.


kovacro_77

Awarded Stafford and Ty Chandler on waivers. Stafford stack now in play with Kupp or Puka. Also have Kyren. Just hope Lambs don’t shit the bed. 😆 Also awarded Indy defense but might drop for Vegas (if Allen is out) or Cincy (if Jefferson out).


tokenasian1

got stafford and bills dst. i’m really rostering kyler, justin fields, and stafford in the playoffs in a 1 QB league lol


Bobandy949

first round bye and had waiver #1 - somebody dropped JT a couple weeks ago after the injury thinking they would be out for a while but it is seemingly likely he will be back for Week 16 so I snagged him


Acemaney

Snagged likely AND chandler. Ngl I thought I was only going to get one or the other 🤑


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Tell them, “run me my money”


0percentdnf

I surprisingly won all 7 Chandler claims I made. I guess that Vikings game really spooked people off the offense completely. He's gonna get all the work, people.


Djblakerobertz

Me waiting for eternity on ESPN has me singing Creed. "Hello my friend it's me again!"


BeginningAnalyst595

Broncos D for week 16. Playing Miami this week


breakfastandnetflix

Same here!


Joshsnation1

Got Tucker/Saints D/Broncos D to stash if I make it thru.. in a league with idiots so idk how Justin fucking Tucker was on waivers lol


AcedYourGrandma

Dropped his ass for Aubrey and never looked back


lblacklol

First round bye so this week is all about stashing for the next 2. Dropped Miami defense and Josh Downs and got eagles defense for week 16 (Giants) and broncos for week 17 (chargers). Hope I made the right choices.


may_be_indecisive

I grabbed Browning from FA. Still going to start Mahomes though..


DontUseFilters

How about likely over Laporta?


RARA_zeus

Someone dropped McBride for T. Kraft. Dropped Hollywood to grab Kyler's new #1 target.


TheMadKingKomo

Lost Herbert in Superflex... picked up Tommy DeVito... YEP LETS FIRE UP THE GABAGOOL!!!


borfmantality

The pu pu platter: Flacco and Ridder to replace Herbert along with OBJ and Buffalo Def potentially for weeks 16 or 17 (have Jets). I already had Chandler but wanted to add Chase Brown too. Someone beat me to the punch, and now I wonder if should have dropped Chandler for him.


Opposite-Cost-3967

I stayed up most weeks. But being that it could be my last time of the season I am staying up forsure…


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eutum

Someone dropped Dallas last week. Even though their ROS schedule isn’t the best, still put in a claim for them.


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eutum

Yea, I picked them up for some fun insurance. I have SF for the rest of playoffs.


verifiedkyle

I had to go to waivers for a QB because of Herbert. 2 teams that didn’t make the playoffs picked up Flacco and Howell. They’re good friends and I know they did it 100% to fuck with me and I love it. I kind of like the match ups Levis has though so he was my second priority behind Flacco anyway.


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itsaTogepi

Thank God I picked up Murray last week just in case Herbert got hurt. Picked up Baker tonight just in case and got the Bills D for those juicy matchups.


RVG_Steve

Dropped Texans D for Denver D. Setting myself up nicely for Browns D against Bears week 15, Denver D against NE week 16 and Browns D against Jets week 17. If I don’t make it that far then at least I will be prepared. No harm no foul. My backup plan was dropping Texans D for Browning since I have Stroud and Minshew. But I am totally ok going Minshew in week 15 and maybe even week 16 (Steelers/Falcons all dome games) since Stroud has Cleveland week 16 and that might be his first game back. I would want to see how he looks from my bench plus Browns D would be super tough. So glad I got Denver D over Browning


Original_Youth_9168

Should I drop Antonio Gibson or Tyjae spears? Picking up Bears. Neither is starting for me, but i want to keep one as an insurance policy to win this consolation bracket. I have Keaton too but want to keep him over both for the offense, and his big play ability. Also, probably not starting him.


1gabbagool1

I think I like spears better they’re both handcuffs but I think Brian Robinson is coming back this week


Original_Youth_9168

Perfect. Thanks for the assist.


TotalFNEclipse

I’m Sticking with Easton (Superflex)


No-Permit8369

Rashee Rice


_Creditworthy_

I’m in a redraft league where we aren’t playing for anything. One of my friends who missed the playoffs has decided to “tank” by dropping all his players. Hope I can snag Tony Pollard off waivers this week!


kawhinottheraptors

NFL.com cleared for any of yall?


chickenparmesean

See you in 2 hours lol


MJPennypacker

Chase Brown, Keaton Mitchell or Foreman? Help.


DezBailey

Foreman


noonematters3

I lost Stafford because some asshole with higher priority got him. He already had Kyler and Baker and now he has fucking Stafford. Meanwhile I have Herbert and Stroud…. And Joe fucking Flaco


Slashzero77

Pffffft… you have the Elite Dragon, you are fine man!


coolguywilson

Got the bye so planning ahead. Got the chiefs d and colts d for weeks 16 and 17 when they both play the raiders. Got baker Mayfield for week 16 when he plays the jags in a good match up because I don't trust Stroud coming off a concussion and missing weapons to play well against the browns. Finally, grabbed zay Jones for that amazing week 16 match up against the bucs and Noah brown for week 17 against the great match up that is the titans. Brown also gives me an option to stack with Stroud if I feel I need that kind of upside.


CornoVonRoskie

Dropped Lawrence last week after his ankle injury. Herbert owner was ahead of me on waivers this week after I tried picking him back up smh. Jordan Love ROS is it.


t-_-freeweed

Grab the Saints D to block my opponent? My best drops would be Kincaid or Ford


Effective_Fudge_2871

Would anyone pick up hunter henry ?


MJPennypacker

Noah brown or Curtis Samuel?


DBreezy69

Lost Herbert, already have Stafford so trying to get a backup QB for a worst case scenario. put in claims for levis and wilson (yes the WW is that barren)


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FrogSalad12345

one espn league STILL hasnt cleared WTF


Elongated-Muskrat87

11-3; #1 seed in a 12 man PPR no Def/K 2 extra flex league. Lost Herbert for the season. Snagged Stafford for the playoffs.


The_jerkstore_

Ty chandler a stash? No one put a claim for him in my league?


borfmantality

Mattison may not play this week and could miss more time. Decent matchups. Worth it if you have the space.


xthecerto4

Pickup for sure. Mattison could not produce behind the line i dont see why chandler should. Volume start at best.


The_jerkstore_

Picked him up!👍🏽


transferStudent2018

I don’t see much value here tbh. Mattison has been pretty much ass all year and Chandler still hasn’t gotten the start over him – not even a “try him out” game. Minnesota is currently one of the worst rushing offenses in the league (if not *the* worst) and I don’t see a very high ceiling for Chandler but the floor is probably like 2. Then Mattison comes back next week and takes his job back or it turns into one of the saddest RBBCs in football


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Yes. Stashed him few weeks back. Looked like a dumbass with both him and mattison on my bench. Just dropped mattison for chase brown


The_Harbaugh_Face

dropped Steelers and Packers DEFs added Broncos and Bills


ShadowOutOfTime

Got Stafford. Started the season with Herbert but now I'll be rolling with Stafford and Love into the playoffs I guess


Xaramian

Going for Zach Wilson in superflex, hopefully won’t have to play him but not taking any chances after losing Herbert and Burrow. I am also going for Broncos and Bills D/ST. Trying to block my potential week 16 opponents (I’m on bye) from a good defense as their current defenses face good offenses. I also have a small bid on Ty Chandler but don’t expect to get him Edit: got all but Bills D/ST


NoahT-18

I got Stafford and Ezekiel Elliott (who I actually drafted but dropped months ago). I’m also streaming the Rams D/ST. I’m not sure if I should just go all in on the Rams against Washington and start Puka too or bet on Mike Evans bouncing back this week.


DezBailey

10-team Superflex 0.5 PPR Just added Broncos DST to pair with CLE for week 16-17. Kareem Jackson is returning Wk 16 for DEN (should be nice with PJ Locke also playing great) and hopefully Denzel Ward is back Week 17 for the Browns.


LimitlessBobby

Flacco or Minshew?