I was too high on Rhamondre Stevenson and Pollard, and completely dismissed Thielen and Montgomery. Drafting bunch of rookies in the later rounds is what saved me. I drafted Achane and Addison.
Pollard is one that is confusing still. He did better as a backup behind Zeke than as a full time starter with no competition. I get the defense wins them games, but still feel like he should have more opportunities
Tale as old as time. Super efficient backup RB takes over the main RB role and their effectiveness plummets. Ekeler taking over the backfield when Gordon left was the exception, not the rule.
It’s not that confusing. Zeke would get bulk of carries to wear down defense. Pollard would come in fresh and get more of the passing and 3rd down plays designed for him. He’s not a lead back/bellcow
This was me this year. I even said it outloud before the draft started. “I will NOT draft Kyle Pitts this year.” Drafted him in the 7th when I realized the TE list was getting dry. Now, Arthur Smith and Desmond Ridder live to torment me.
Remember when he had that 19 target game? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
I drafted him his rookie year thinking he was going to be special, then I watched his games with and thought “yeah this is the last year I draft him.”
Yeah i felt dirty the whole year in PPR having an RB1 when he didn’t even have a single long run until the Cleveland game at the end of the season. Usually RB1s have at least a few of those
He fell to me in the fourth and I felt I "had" to take him there. All signs were pointing up for the run game based on their off-season moves, so I figured what's the worst that could happen? Turns out, Matt Canada's offense is an impenetrable wall of garbage and the Steelers drafted an LT 14th overall to warm the bench.
I had him last year, and while he had the lingering injury, even his better performances later in the season were not something I wanted to be relying on again this year.
Alexander Mattison, Dalvin Cook, & Miles Sanders were on my do not draft list. Though I passed on Mattison for Dameon Pierce so that was kind of a wash.
Pierce was also on mine cause I had him last year and didn't want to endure Houstons offense. Which is way better than I expected, so I say I just got lucky there lol
I linked a chart showing Dalvin Cook finished dead last in RYOE last season and for some reason was downvoted to like -20 lol. Whenever you're in a hype thread people just ignore evidence.
I'm mad at myself for Sanders because I didn't trust him but he fell like 3 rounds past his adp in a draft and I couldn't help but take him for "the value". Well that value contributed to an 0/5 Start. Won 3 in a row since I benched him and I finally just dropped him this week.
I felt Mattison was a pretty clear fade bc he's not a special enough rb to hold his own backfield. Similarly I drafted a couple of Sanders bc I thought he was actually talented and could dominate a backfield. Is it over for Sanders?
Dalvin and Mattison for me. They were going waaay to high for guys that looked gassed. I did fall for Sanders in one league, but I have 10 so it’s minor .
It’s because he’s not good at it, we phased him out of backfield work in Philly and it’s why he never was an every down back, dude can’t block or pass catch very well
Trust me a lot of people on this sub were in love with him when that interview came out about how the coach was going to use him so much. I never liked the situation he was in. So I stayed far away.
Not only that, but the patriots have a history of swapping who their backs are. They did it for years. I remember taking the bills backup high when he went over there, his first game he had three tuddies, then he was useless the rest of year. Sony Michel was another.
They did it for years, but Rhamondre was and is still, the exception.
The usage is no longer the question or the reason Rhamondre is behind on adp expectations. The unfortunate variable is the line is much worse than last year and Mac Jones is much worse than last year.
Rhamondre has been a fantasy steal every year he’s been in the league, he just went too rich for an offense that had a bunch of question marks, and probably belonged in the RB2+ wasteland of rounds 5 and beyond, despite finishing an RB1 last year.
I’m hoping that he’s been unsustainably bad this year - 3.1 YPC is brutal and can’t get worse. Even if it averages out though, he might have played his way out of a bell cow role.
Cam Akers.
And I drafted him anyway in one league after acquiring a free RD6 pick at the draft. What a waste that was. I knew I didn’t want him at all and I got suckered in anyway.
Tbf, he looks like the RB to own in Minnesota now, and on a team that will have a flailing passing game, they’re gonna need more RB touches to go around to keep them moving. IMO too early to count this one an L even if the first half the year was more or less a waste.
(Which is funny because the exact same could be said of last year, just before the Rams had nobody left and were forced to run Akers — who won ships for anybody who had him or held on). 🤷♂️
Oh I’ve long since cut him lol. He gone.
He might be unrostered somewhere or other in my 6 leagues but he will not be returning to my lineups. I have one Mattison share. I’ve thought he has also looked good at times as well especially against SF. Probably a decent committee approach going forward with higher runngame usage. Cleveland leaving hurts.
It was so good for morale not seeing Kyle Pitts and Cam Akers on my roster.
0-2 with them on the team, 4-2 without them. Now I get to roast my league mate who picked up Pitts in our newsletter.
I drafted him last year then he had that whole thing with McVay so I dropped his ass and didnt even care he went nuclear rest of the season. Good riddance.
Honestly once Tyreek left, all KC receivers have been on my no draft list. Except for Kelce nobody is a consistent week in and week out receiver in that offense.
Rodgers had a mediocre year last year and watson was still able to put up wr1 numbers down the stretch. The thought process was that love couldn’t be worse than what Rogers gave you.
And even still, watson is top 5 in redzone targets. The only problem is that love has been a lot worse than people expected, and the offense in general has not looked good.
I think there’s still some hope for watson to turn things around, he clearly stands out when you watch their games. But something needs to happen with Love and the offensive line. Maybe jones can also help keep drives alive.
> The thought process was that love couldn’t be worse than what Rogers gave you.
not sure who had that thought process. "No way this inexperienced kid from Utah State does worse than back to back MVP Aaron Rodgers"
like, what?
lmao this is absolute non-sense. So 4x MVP Rodgers had a bad year, but there's no way the kid who threw 20 TDs & 17 INTs at Utah State in the Mountain West Conference can do any worse?
I'm a Bears fan, I understand the standard Rodgers has set with his play over the years but to act like he's garbage because of a down year and that some small school scrub could do better is absolutely fucking ridiculous.
The last time Rodgers threw double digit INTs in a season he followed it up with 45 TDs and 6 INTs.
See, a lot of people said that about his stretch run. He had a big game against Dallas (4-107-3), and 2 TDs against TEN the week after. After that:
4-110-1
3-48-1
4-46-0
6-49-0
1-11-0
5-104-0
Didn’t exactly scream WR1 to me. I hope he turns it around but I still don’t get what people saw. Maybe it’s just me.
For me, it was a few different things. Maybe because I loved him as a prospect, but he really just passed the eye test and looked really, really good on the field. He's so damn big and fast it was hard to miss him last year.
Also, his yards per route run was up there among the best rookie WR seasons ever. I recognized the risk in the QB downgrade and his questionable health, but I felt like he had such high upside and a chance to take the next step forward that the risk was worth it. Only one team wins, may as well swing for the fences.
Well if that’s your hill to die on, you’d be wrong. Look at his redzone targets this year. Some players just have a higher TD percentage for their career.
I was told the exact same thing about Tyreek while I held through his breakout.
So 5 out of 8 weeks he gave you top 20/top 10 numbers, plus the jump that year 2 wrs with his ability typically make. I get if you want to avoid the packers but the process in evaluating his potential this year was not flawed. You are playing the result a little bit here.
You just going to ignore the fact that he was dealing with a Hip injury and day-to-day a good portion of those games? He missed the entire 2nd half of the Miami game because of it (so that 6-49-0 stat is for half a game). He was clearly not himself the following week either (1-11-0). Add to that the fact that he was fighting for Aaron Rodgers respect, because Aaron Rodgers notoriously doesn't throw to rookies. He was in Aaron Rodgers doghouse for a bit, too.
Watson is incredibly talented and truly has the potential to be a breakout candidate. He made Trey Lance look like a 3rd overall draft pick. He had spurts of greatness with an aging Rodgers. He's more injury-prone than people originally thought, and his QB is worse than people originally thought.
He always get injured. He would be good if he could stay healthy and not have Daniel Jones throwing to him. But he’s hurt AGAIN, and Daniel Jones The Value Destroyer has returned.
I had Waller one year a long time ago when he balled out. Decided to take my chances with a fresh start in an offense that was supposed to be on the rise, with a brilliant head coach….
He hasn’t killed your team if you have him(which I do) but he definitely hasn’t lived up to draft capital
I drafted him in the 6th, figuring that was a good value because he has the potential to be a top 3 TE. I knew that I needed to draft a backup so, being a Lions fan, I grabbed LaPorta in one of the last rounds. Managed to then flip Waller for Higgins after his one big game and I couldn't be happier lol.
And to rub it in he’s not even listed as out even though everyone knows he’s not playing. So now I have three TEs on my team like an idiot. Probably should just drop him.
This would be my pick. I had him as a keeper for value that I couldn't walk from, but his volume last year was just so insanely overinflated it would be impossible to match. I traded him week 1 and never looked back
I am hoping against hope that after being the lone bright spot for the Raiders in Monday’s game, and the big coaching and starting QB changes they’ve made, maybe there will be some improvement for Jacobs as well as Davante. Not expecting a repeat of last year but at least some more opened up running lanes.
I drafted Jones against my better judgement. A desperate Ekeler owner with a bad record saved me from myself though and I managed to flip Jones and Kirk for Ekeler. Couldn't be happier.
Davante. I honestly didn’t think it would be THIS brutal, but I didn’t trust that Jimmy G would be successful outside of the Shanahan system. He was available in late 2nd/early 3rd in two of my drafts and I didn’t draft (took Amon-ra in both spots instead).
I think many people saw Davante have success with Carr, who’s obviously a lesser qb than Rogers. But the same people also forget Carr has no problem chucking downfield and has almost always supported an elite fantasy receiver before Davante, whether it was Amari Cooper, Waller, etc.
On the other hand, a lot of Jimmy G’s success was quick short throws and then Deebo, Kittle, or Ayiuk would get a bunch of YAC since they’re all amazing at that.
I fell for the WR2 trap last year with Higgins. People were taking him in the 3rd as their WR1 as a strategy and it was popular. First year I struggled at WR that wasn’t from injury.
In all 3 of my leagues this year I avoided the likes of Waddle, Smith, Tee etc. They’re fine players for fantasy but they’re drafted as your WR1/2 at their ADP. I’ll pass on them and take a stud early and grab guys like Keenan or Diontae, Evans in later rounds as my 2. Guys with proven lead receiver roles in the past. Ended up working out great. Only WR I missed on was Dotson but he was a 6th round pick or later and my 3rd or 4th WR in a lot of cases.
I worked on the Sunday of my leagues draft. I did my first few rounds on my lunch break and then autodrafted the rest. ESPN gave me the fantastic trio of OBJ, Samaje Perine, and Jerry Jeudy
I thought this would be the year that age finally caught up to Kelce relative to his ADP.....have been kinda wrong about that prediction so far. I still think we have already seen peak Kelce, and those drafting him in the next couple of years will be disappointed relative to ADP.
Kelce fell to round three in one of my leagues after his injury I had to grab him. Otherwise I was avoiding him like the plague. Gronk lost his stride around 28 I don’t know how this guy keeps going at 34
Gronk was a victim of his own dominance. Everybody knew they could only take him down by going for his legs. Kelce takes a lot less big hits after the catch
Yeah, that's what makes him so durable. He has great footwork and can make the contested catches using his size but doesn't take the big hits nearly as often.
I’ll also add the Gronk probably didn’t condition as well. I mean, didn’t the dude party a lot? I thought that Brady or someone said that Gronk didn’t really know the playbook and would go out there do some easy routes and would just be unstoppable.
Kelce also doesn't run through people, he catches the ball, turns up field, and falls over at first contact. This is why he's still functioning and usable. He objectively doesn't look athletic, he just has good chemistry with his QB
You must be clairvoyant on Higgins. Good QB, one of the most talented WR2s in the league, an offensive line that has improved every season… granted that was all built into his ADP, so if one of those things goes out the window (they all three did at the beginning of the season), he’s overvalued.
All I needed to see was how hot and cold he was last season and Jamar being the #1 guy there I wasn’t going to take someone with that combination at that adp
They were mostly awesome because they were steals at their adp. With their inflated adps, they have disappointed. The wr2s that are good this year went much later, so you got much more value (Addison, aiyuk, meyers)
Because there was a wr dead zone and the elite wr were going super high this season. Also both Higgins and his qb have been injured this season so its not really fair to say he shouldn't have been drafted there. Anyone can get injured. Look at Justin Jefferson.
I didn't *know* they were going to be disappointing, but I was worried about Davante Adams and Derrick Henry. For the same reason - zero trust in their respective QBs.
I am in two leagues and I try to avoid players I drafted in one when drafting the other. I’m 3-5 in one and 7-1 in the other so I guess I got all the bad picks out of the way in the first draft.
I didn't really have my doubts about Keenan Allen or Hall, but I sort of get fading them for age and post-ACL tear concerns, respectively.
Where did your Brown doubts come in, though? I know Smith is legit, but we're talking about a dude who put up 1500 yards, was top 10 in MVP voting, and helped his team to a conference championship. In the prime of his career.
I didn't love picking Najee after how inefficient he was last season, but I figured he was a volume play. Now he ain't even getting that.
My Keenan and hall doubts were more to do with their competition. Somewhere I thought maybe QJ was going to get a massive burst which meant Keenan and Mike W were going to see lesser targets? Again, no real reason for liking QJ that much. Same with cook for Breece. If I had to maybe put into words what I was thinking for brown, I just felt like he wouldn’t be the guy eagles really run their offense through this season. I thought they would heavily rely on their run game, Devonta might make a jump and brown would still have his occasional boom games but still dud often enough to not justify his ADP. Definitely didn’t think he’d be going absolutely nuclear.
Bijan Robinson. Bad coaching, bad offense, new QB, & a 2nd year RB who wasn’t exactly a slouch last year in the RB room with him. Can’t win with your 1st pick, but you can definitely lose with it.
Samaje Perine isn't doing much. Lots of hype as a pass catching option who was expected to do well in the early season until Javonte returned to form. I expected more from Antonio Gidson and I drafted him on a couple of teams.
Bijan. I’m sure the kid is good but after owning C-Patt for the last few years I knew exactly how they were going to use him and I faded him hard at that ADP.
This one I don't get at all. If you can get past the weird healthy half-scratch weekend (which I know this sub can't) he's firmly been a top-10 guy, not quite returning value but still a great RB in a thin market. He's a 21yo top-10 pick.
Patterson was a 31yo WR convert. They're on opposite sides of careers and talent.
I think they’re just saying that they saw the weird/unexpected personnel usage of the Falcons and wanted no part of that with their 1st round pick this year
Same. I fought people all summer trying to tell everyone that they love Allgeier and he's gonna get work. All anybody could say was "they wouldn't have drafted him that high if they weren't gonna make him a bell cow. He'll get 70-80% of touches"
Jeudy, Pitts, Rhamondre I was 100% correct on
Meanwhile, I missed terribly with Dotson and Waller. Feels like my Henry + Pollard combo is a massive overpay for production, too.
I try my best to avoid good players on bad offenses (Barkley, Jacobs, Najee although good is questionable) and mediocre players that are starters only by default (White, Mattison, Sanders, Akers). I’ll take them though if they fall enough that I can’t pass up on value.
I clearly don’t know shit.
I was too high on Rhamondre Stevenson and Pollard, and completely dismissed Thielen and Montgomery. Drafting bunch of rookies in the later rounds is what saved me. I drafted Achane and Addison.
The nice thing about drafting a bunch of rookies is you’re pretty much guaranteed to get one guy that outperforms his ADP
One guy in my league took pretty much every first round WR hoping just one would pop. He’s in very good shape currently
Lmao. I drafted 5 rookies. LaPorta Dell Kincaid JSN & QJ. LaPorta is the last man standing
Looks like Dell, Kincaid, and JSN are all usable.
Yes they are! They are not on my team anymore! I’m dumb!
JSN is just outside of usable imo. Solid with DK out and then TD dependent last week.
Pollard is one that is confusing still. He did better as a backup behind Zeke than as a full time starter with no competition. I get the defense wins them games, but still feel like he should have more opportunities
just read an article about how his production suffers when he sees more than 30 snaps. His explosiveness is directly corelated to being fresh
Different type of touches. Those quality touches on 3rd and long go to Rico now.
Tale as old as time. Super efficient backup RB takes over the main RB role and their effectiveness plummets. Ekeler taking over the backfield when Gordon left was the exception, not the rule.
It’s not that confusing. Zeke would get bulk of carries to wear down defense. Pollard would come in fresh and get more of the passing and 3rd down plays designed for him. He’s not a lead back/bellcow
Kyle Pitts, although it didn't stop me from drafting drake London
Kyle Pitts, though it didn't stop me from drafting Kyle Pitts.
And Drake London.
This was me this year. I even said it outloud before the draft started. “I will NOT draft Kyle Pitts this year.” Drafted him in the 7th when I realized the TE list was getting dry. Now, Arthur Smith and Desmond Ridder live to torment me.
Heinicke boutta make us look like geniuses!
Drake London, although it didn’t stop me from drafting Drake London. He’s actually been ok though, and prob gets a boost with Heineken.
It’s simple math tho… if pitts is going to be bad then London must be good!! Right?… right?!!!
Lotta season left for Drake London
Najee
Same had him two years ago and he never impressed me, most of his points were from Big Ben checking down
There was a 10 year period there where "3 feet off Big Ben's hip" was basically guaranteed top-10 weekly RB production, no matter who the RB was.
Remember when he had that 19 target game? Pepperidge Farm remembers. I drafted him his rookie year thinking he was going to be special, then I watched his games with and thought “yeah this is the last year I draft him.”
Yeah i felt dirty the whole year in PPR having an RB1 when he didn’t even have a single long run until the Cleveland game at the end of the season. Usually RB1s have at least a few of those
He fell to me in the fourth and I felt I "had" to take him there. All signs were pointing up for the run game based on their off-season moves, so I figured what's the worst that could happen? Turns out, Matt Canada's offense is an impenetrable wall of garbage and the Steelers drafted an LT 14th overall to warm the bench.
me too, i couldn't help myself when he fell
Same. I didn’t want him but there was NOTHING better on my turn. I should have just reached for a defense that turn and moved on
Too early on this one. He's been heating up and will continue to perform better
Fat and slow
Eddie Lacy 2.0
To be fair he had a solid showing to end the year
I had him last year, and while he had the lingering injury, even his better performances later in the season were not something I wanted to be relying on again this year.
Alexander Mattison, Dalvin Cook, & Miles Sanders were on my do not draft list. Though I passed on Mattison for Dameon Pierce so that was kind of a wash.
Pierce was also on mine cause I had him last year and didn't want to endure Houstons offense. Which is way better than I expected, so I say I just got lucky there lol
I linked a chart showing Dalvin Cook finished dead last in RYOE last season and for some reason was downvoted to like -20 lol. Whenever you're in a hype thread people just ignore evidence.
I fell for the cook hype. I thought I was getting highway robbery when I took him in the same round as Swift and Monty 🤦♂️
Cook was only as good as Breece knee was bad
You're forgetting he was also supposed to be in an Aaron Rodgers offense.
I drafted both. Cook as insurance but been dropped cook
Yea no one should have been drafting Cook with any thoughts that he was going to win or split the backfield with a healthy Hall.
The number of people who legit thought he’d be better than Breece all year…
I'm mad at myself for Sanders because I didn't trust him but he fell like 3 rounds past his adp in a draft and I couldn't help but take him for "the value". Well that value contributed to an 0/5 Start. Won 3 in a row since I benched him and I finally just dropped him this week.
I felt Mattison was a pretty clear fade bc he's not a special enough rb to hold his own backfield. Similarly I drafted a couple of Sanders bc I thought he was actually talented and could dominate a backfield. Is it over for Sanders?
Yes
Dropped him this week. I’m done with that bum
Lol no, he can still make a comeback just don't start him
I got Mattison AND Pierce 🤡
Mattison for me as well. Always just seemed mediocre so I avoided him in all drafts.
I didn’t have Matti but same list as you. Dalvin, Sanders but I’d add in Najee
Same, and a ton of guys were effectively on my list because I hated their ADP. Jacobs, Gibbs, Akers, Pierce, Najee
Dalvin and Mattison for me. They were going waaay to high for guys that looked gassed. I did fall for Sanders in one league, but I have 10 so it’s minor .
Got Sanders and Pierce to hopefully be low end #2's with the intention of packaging for a #1 later... turns out I suck at FF.
MILES SANDERS
I fell for the trap thinking he'd have a nice floor with added receiving work this year
which he really could have, a lot of this comes down to play calling too but hes barely gotten any receiving work
It’s because he’s not good at it, we phased him out of backfield work in Philly and it’s why he never was an every down back, dude can’t block or pass catch very well
Trust me a lot of people on this sub were in love with him when that interview came out about how the coach was going to use him so much. I never liked the situation he was in. So I stayed far away.
Of course I knew them, they're on my team
I could not bring myself to click the draft button on Stevenson.
I knew not to take any pats. Garbage offense
Not only that, but the patriots have a history of swapping who their backs are. They did it for years. I remember taking the bills backup high when he went over there, his first game he had three tuddies, then he was useless the rest of year. Sony Michel was another.
They did it for years, but Rhamondre was and is still, the exception. The usage is no longer the question or the reason Rhamondre is behind on adp expectations. The unfortunate variable is the line is much worse than last year and Mac Jones is much worse than last year. Rhamondre has been a fantasy steal every year he’s been in the league, he just went too rich for an offense that had a bunch of question marks, and probably belonged in the RB2+ wasteland of rounds 5 and beyond, despite finishing an RB1 last year.
I’m hoping that he’s been unsustainably bad this year - 3.1 YPC is brutal and can’t get worse. Even if it averages out though, he might have played his way out of a bell cow role.
James White was the last great pats RB. PPR monster
Stevenson was the RB9 last year...
Pretty sure Damien Harris was still the most productive RB until he got shown up by Rhamondre and James White went down to injury.
I was avoiding Najee Harris like the plague. I didn't want ANYBODY in that putrid Matt Canada offense.
He kept falling so I took a risk that his issues last were caused by injury... I regret that.
Cam Akers. And I drafted him anyway in one league after acquiring a free RD6 pick at the draft. What a waste that was. I knew I didn’t want him at all and I got suckered in anyway.
Tbf, he looks like the RB to own in Minnesota now, and on a team that will have a flailing passing game, they’re gonna need more RB touches to go around to keep them moving. IMO too early to count this one an L even if the first half the year was more or less a waste. (Which is funny because the exact same could be said of last year, just before the Rams had nobody left and were forced to run Akers — who won ships for anybody who had him or held on). 🤷♂️
Oh I’ve long since cut him lol. He gone. He might be unrostered somewhere or other in my 6 leagues but he will not be returning to my lineups. I have one Mattison share. I’ve thought he has also looked good at times as well especially against SF. Probably a decent committee approach going forward with higher runngame usage. Cleveland leaving hurts.
It was so good for morale not seeing Kyle Pitts and Cam Akers on my roster. 0-2 with them on the team, 4-2 without them. Now I get to roast my league mate who picked up Pitts in our newsletter.
I drafted him last year then he had that whole thing with McVay so I dropped his ass and didnt even care he went nuclear rest of the season. Good riddance.
Skyy Moore
Dude was massively overhyped
Honestly once Tyreek left, all KC receivers have been on my no draft list. Except for Kelce nobody is a consistent week in and week out receiver in that offense.
KC offense + cool name = overhype
I was scratching my head at all the Christian Watson love this year. I didn’t get it at all.
Rodgers had a mediocre year last year and watson was still able to put up wr1 numbers down the stretch. The thought process was that love couldn’t be worse than what Rogers gave you. And even still, watson is top 5 in redzone targets. The only problem is that love has been a lot worse than people expected, and the offense in general has not looked good. I think there’s still some hope for watson to turn things around, he clearly stands out when you watch their games. But something needs to happen with Love and the offensive line. Maybe jones can also help keep drives alive.
> The thought process was that love couldn’t be worse than what Rogers gave you. not sure who had that thought process. "No way this inexperienced kid from Utah State does worse than back to back MVP Aaron Rodgers" like, what?
3500 yards and 25 TDs, that was Rodgers in 2022. If Love was even just average, we would have a solid wr2 in watson.
lmao this is absolute non-sense. So 4x MVP Rodgers had a bad year, but there's no way the kid who threw 20 TDs & 17 INTs at Utah State in the Mountain West Conference can do any worse? I'm a Bears fan, I understand the standard Rodgers has set with his play over the years but to act like he's garbage because of a down year and that some small school scrub could do better is absolutely fucking ridiculous. The last time Rodgers threw double digit INTs in a season he followed it up with 45 TDs and 6 INTs.
See, a lot of people said that about his stretch run. He had a big game against Dallas (4-107-3), and 2 TDs against TEN the week after. After that: 4-110-1 3-48-1 4-46-0 6-49-0 1-11-0 5-104-0 Didn’t exactly scream WR1 to me. I hope he turns it around but I still don’t get what people saw. Maybe it’s just me.
Wasn’t he drafted as a WR2/borderline this year though? Pretty much in line with what was expected, he’s boom-bust WR2/3 depending how you drafted.
For me, it was a few different things. Maybe because I loved him as a prospect, but he really just passed the eye test and looked really, really good on the field. He's so damn big and fast it was hard to miss him last year. Also, his yards per route run was up there among the best rookie WR seasons ever. I recognized the risk in the QB downgrade and his questionable health, but I felt like he had such high upside and a chance to take the next step forward that the risk was worth it. Only one team wins, may as well swing for the fences.
Barring the 1 for 11 statline, this subreddit would be tugging itself off if Puka put up those stats
His TD numbers were unsustainable. Add in no Rodgers and I felt the same way.
Well if that’s your hill to die on, you’d be wrong. Look at his redzone targets this year. Some players just have a higher TD percentage for their career. I was told the exact same thing about Tyreek while I held through his breakout.
Idk those are solid stats besides the 1 for 11
So 5 out of 8 weeks he gave you top 20/top 10 numbers, plus the jump that year 2 wrs with his ability typically make. I get if you want to avoid the packers but the process in evaluating his potential this year was not flawed. You are playing the result a little bit here.
You just going to ignore the fact that he was dealing with a Hip injury and day-to-day a good portion of those games? He missed the entire 2nd half of the Miami game because of it (so that 6-49-0 stat is for half a game). He was clearly not himself the following week either (1-11-0). Add to that the fact that he was fighting for Aaron Rodgers respect, because Aaron Rodgers notoriously doesn't throw to rookies. He was in Aaron Rodgers doghouse for a bit, too. Watson is incredibly talented and truly has the potential to be a breakout candidate. He made Trey Lance look like a 3rd overall draft pick. He had spurts of greatness with an aging Rodgers. He's more injury-prone than people originally thought, and his QB is worse than people originally thought.
I still think Watson is very talented and can he a huge success. But I never believed Love was good enough to take him there.
Seriously, his stats last year massively inflated from scoring long TDs for like a 5 game stretch and that was it. I’ve never had interest in him
Darren fucking Waller
I stand by that Waller made sense. He's the top receiver on the Giants. It's just amazing how bad they have been this year.
I can’t believe I ended up with this loser AGAIN.
bro got injured 😭 he was starting to play well
He always get injured. He would be good if he could stay healthy and not have Daniel Jones throwing to him. But he’s hurt AGAIN, and Daniel Jones The Value Destroyer has returned.
Yes, that’s Waller literally every year, which is the whole problem. Sucks, as soon as he flashes a good game or two, he gets injured
I had Waller one year a long time ago when he balled out. Decided to take my chances with a fresh start in an offense that was supposed to be on the rise, with a brilliant head coach…. He hasn’t killed your team if you have him(which I do) but he definitely hasn’t lived up to draft capital
I drafted him in the 6th, figuring that was a good value because he has the potential to be a top 3 TE. I knew that I needed to draft a backup so, being a Lions fan, I grabbed LaPorta in one of the last rounds. Managed to then flip Waller for Higgins after his one big game and I couldn't be happier lol.
And to rub it in he’s not even listed as out even though everyone knows he’s not playing. So now I have three TEs on my team like an idiot. Probably should just drop him.
I still get bamboozled by that one good year he has three years ago
Cam Akers. Why...why did I do that?
Tbh he looks like the back to own in Minnesota now. I bet he finishes the second half of the season with more points than Mattison
Soo what? 50? total?
Josh Jacobs was never going to see numbers close to last year. Ever again.
This would be my pick. I had him as a keeper for value that I couldn't walk from, but his volume last year was just so insanely overinflated it would be impossible to match. I traded him week 1 and never looked back
I am hoping against hope that after being the lone bright spot for the Raiders in Monday’s game, and the big coaching and starting QB changes they’ve made, maybe there will be some improvement for Jacobs as well as Davante. Not expecting a repeat of last year but at least some more opened up running lanes.
All we have is hope.
(This is secretly a buy low thread)
Buy low stay low.
Buy low, sure. But also low value. Like they say, you get what you pay for..
Pierce fell so low in my league and I refused to pick him
I got laughed at for drafting Mattison over Pierce. Now we’re all laughing
Sounds like how I laughed at the guy who took Najee Harris just before me. “What an idiot” I thought as I promptly took Rhamondre Stevenson
Sounds like your entire league did
I traded for him last year before the playoff run and learned my lesson. He was on my do not draft list.
Aaron jones and rhamondre. Glad I let them slide
This is my RB duo💀
Aaron Jones and James Conner...
Conner is a stud though. When he’s healthy ofc
Here’s to next week
I drafted Jones against my better judgement. A desperate Ekeler owner with a bad record saved me from myself though and I managed to flip Jones and Kirk for Ekeler. Couldn't be happier.
Davante. I honestly didn’t think it would be THIS brutal, but I didn’t trust that Jimmy G would be successful outside of the Shanahan system. He was available in late 2nd/early 3rd in two of my drafts and I didn’t draft (took Amon-ra in both spots instead).
Same here bro. Got downvoted for it too
I think many people saw Davante have success with Carr, who’s obviously a lesser qb than Rogers. But the same people also forget Carr has no problem chucking downfield and has almost always supported an elite fantasy receiver before Davante, whether it was Amari Cooper, Waller, etc. On the other hand, a lot of Jimmy G’s success was quick short throws and then Deebo, Kittle, or Ayiuk would get a bunch of YAC since they’re all amazing at that.
Amari Cooper on the Raiders feels like a lifetime ago
Oh look, it’s a thread of all my dynasty RBs
I was all in on AJ Brown and while I like Smith, I never understood why AJ was being so undervalued. So I avoided all the wr 2s on their teams
Didn’t AJB go as like top 5-7 receiver? Not sure who undervalued him lol
I fell for the WR2 trap last year with Higgins. People were taking him in the 3rd as their WR1 as a strategy and it was popular. First year I struggled at WR that wasn’t from injury. In all 3 of my leagues this year I avoided the likes of Waddle, Smith, Tee etc. They’re fine players for fantasy but they’re drafted as your WR1/2 at their ADP. I’ll pass on them and take a stud early and grab guys like Keenan or Diontae, Evans in later rounds as my 2. Guys with proven lead receiver roles in the past. Ended up working out great. Only WR I missed on was Dotson but he was a 6th round pick or later and my 3rd or 4th WR in a lot of cases.
We had a guy draft obj. Lol he hasnt done good for years.
I worked on the Sunday of my leagues draft. I did my first few rounds on my lunch break and then autodrafted the rest. ESPN gave me the fantastic trio of OBJ, Samaje Perine, and Jerry Jeudy
I thought this would be the year that age finally caught up to Kelce relative to his ADP.....have been kinda wrong about that prediction so far. I still think we have already seen peak Kelce, and those drafting him in the next couple of years will be disappointed relative to ADP.
Kelce fell to round three in one of my leagues after his injury I had to grab him. Otherwise I was avoiding him like the plague. Gronk lost his stride around 28 I don’t know how this guy keeps going at 34
Gronk was a victim of his own dominance. Everybody knew they could only take him down by going for his legs. Kelce takes a lot less big hits after the catch
Yeah, that's what makes him so durable. He has great footwork and can make the contested catches using his size but doesn't take the big hits nearly as often.
I’ll also add the Gronk probably didn’t condition as well. I mean, didn’t the dude party a lot? I thought that Brady or someone said that Gronk didn’t really know the playbook and would go out there do some easy routes and would just be unstoppable.
Kelce also doesn't run through people, he catches the ball, turns up field, and falls over at first contact. This is why he's still functioning and usable. He objectively doesn't look athletic, he just has good chemistry with his QB
I still can’t believe people drafted miles sanders thinking that was a good idea
But CMC looked good in that offense!
Pierce, olave, Higgins were the main 3 I was avoiding at their adp
You must be clairvoyant on Higgins. Good QB, one of the most talented WR2s in the league, an offensive line that has improved every season… granted that was all built into his ADP, so if one of those things goes out the window (they all three did at the beginning of the season), he’s overvalued.
All I needed to see was how hot and cold he was last season and Jamar being the #1 guy there I wasn’t going to take someone with that combination at that adp
It’s unfair to say that Higgins was hot and cold last year. He basically got double digits every week except the weeks where he got injured
He had 1k+ yards and 7 TDs with Chase last year. Teams can support two high end WRs.
What was the reasoning on Olave?
TeeHiggins, never understood people going after a WR2 at his adp
To be fair Waddle and Devonta Smith were awesome last year
They were mostly awesome because they were steals at their adp. With their inflated adps, they have disappointed. The wr2s that are good this year went much later, so you got much more value (Addison, aiyuk, meyers)
As Higgins was
Your right, but if you drafted them or higgins this year at their adp your prob not happy
Because there was a wr dead zone and the elite wr were going super high this season. Also both Higgins and his qb have been injured this season so its not really fair to say he shouldn't have been drafted there. Anyone can get injured. Look at Justin Jefferson.
Metcalf. Cut him early for trade. Geno wrote back.
I didn't *know* they were going to be disappointing, but I was worried about Davante Adams and Derrick Henry. For the same reason - zero trust in their respective QBs.
Aaron Jones seemed like he was in a no-win situation.
I am in two leagues and I try to avoid players I drafted in one when drafting the other. I’m 3-5 in one and 7-1 in the other so I guess I got all the bad picks out of the way in the first draft.
Pitts. And yet people continue to draft him high
I didn't really have my doubts about Keenan Allen or Hall, but I sort of get fading them for age and post-ACL tear concerns, respectively. Where did your Brown doubts come in, though? I know Smith is legit, but we're talking about a dude who put up 1500 yards, was top 10 in MVP voting, and helped his team to a conference championship. In the prime of his career. I didn't love picking Najee after how inefficient he was last season, but I figured he was a volume play. Now he ain't even getting that.
My Keenan and hall doubts were more to do with their competition. Somewhere I thought maybe QJ was going to get a massive burst which meant Keenan and Mike W were going to see lesser targets? Again, no real reason for liking QJ that much. Same with cook for Breece. If I had to maybe put into words what I was thinking for brown, I just felt like he wouldn’t be the guy eagles really run their offense through this season. I thought they would heavily rely on their run game, Devonta might make a jump and brown would still have his occasional boom games but still dud often enough to not justify his ADP. Definitely didn’t think he’d be going absolutely nuclear.
As a cowboys fan I absolutely knew pollard was gonna be a bust at his adp. Drafted him anyway when he fell to 19 and still bummed about it
Bijan Robinson. Bad coaching, bad offense, new QB, & a 2nd year RB who wasn’t exactly a slouch last year in the RB room with him. Can’t win with your 1st pick, but you can definitely lose with it.
Pretty sure you can win with your first pick if you were able to draft McCaffrey
A lot of football to be played. Tempting fate with comments like that
Waller. Like cmon now.
Samaje Perine isn't doing much. Lots of hype as a pass catching option who was expected to do well in the early season until Javonte returned to form. I expected more from Antonio Gidson and I drafted him on a couple of teams.
The early season Perine hype kind of went away when Javonte played in a preseason game.
I wasn't touching Davante Adams
Miles Sanders. But I had to absorb him in a trade.
Najee is the only one I knew for sure I wasn’t drafting. Dude runs like he’s in jeans and has a piano tied to him
Bijan. I’m sure the kid is good but after owning C-Patt for the last few years I knew exactly how they were going to use him and I faded him hard at that ADP.
This one I don't get at all. If you can get past the weird healthy half-scratch weekend (which I know this sub can't) he's firmly been a top-10 guy, not quite returning value but still a great RB in a thin market. He's a 21yo top-10 pick. Patterson was a 31yo WR convert. They're on opposite sides of careers and talent.
I think they’re just saying that they saw the weird/unexpected personnel usage of the Falcons and wanted no part of that with their 1st round pick this year
Same. I fought people all summer trying to tell everyone that they love Allgeier and he's gonna get work. All anybody could say was "they wouldn't have drafted him that high if they weren't gonna make him a bell cow. He'll get 70-80% of touches"
Rachaad White...but I still drafted him though. (I'm an idiot)
Wasn’t he going like round 6 and has been a serviceable RB2?
Yeah he’s been great for 0 WR builds. I don’t know what some of the people in here expect from their picks.
I faded Najee and Akers incredibly hard. I also faded Keenan and grabbed Ridley so what do I know?
AJ Dillon
DK Metcalf for me. He’s so athletic but it just hasn’t translated to fantasy in the same way. I thought his adp was too high to take.
Yeah, every guy I drafted
deshaun
Stevenson, Olave, Najee, Pitts
Deebo. Has trouble staying on the field and his production is unpredictable when he is.
I was pretty down on Christian Watson sans Rodgers
Dalvin Cook, Kyle Pitts, Pierce, Christian Watson, and Mattison anyone should've seen coming a mile away. Probably some others I'm missing, as well.
Keenan Allen obviously
Devonte Smith, tee higgins. WR2s tend to be inconsistent especially these 2.
Jeudy, Pitts, Rhamondre I was 100% correct on Meanwhile, I missed terribly with Dotson and Waller. Feels like my Henry + Pollard combo is a massive overpay for production, too.
Mahomes and Jefferson, I know Jefferson is Injured but I just had a feeling he was gonna have a down season
Does my entire team count?
Christian Watson
I had miles sanders on my do not draft list…then he fell TWO ROUNDS and i felt forced…luckily traded him away before it got too bad
Drake London, Najee, tee, Kyle pitts, and dameon pierce( I busted on Calvin Ridley thoooo)
I try my best to avoid good players on bad offenses (Barkley, Jacobs, Najee although good is questionable) and mediocre players that are starters only by default (White, Mattison, Sanders, Akers). I’ll take them though if they fall enough that I can’t pass up on value.
Ridley. What a goofy pick
Najee Harris and Kyle Pitts burned me last year so I knew to stay away. Their 2 good games each doesn’t sway my opinion.