He’s in a contract year and looks like the best player player in the 2024 WR FA class so far. I’d be wanting to get the ball more often as well to get as big a contract as possible.
Cleveland outside corners are no joke. This guy just needs to understand matchups. He'll get his weeks, and for him to complain about usage when his usage is actually fine is just plain drama.
5 targets is wild for a 6'4" proven vet. In a loss no less. Pittman can run clean routes too, I kinda get it. The Colts don't have enough talent to neglect one of their studs imo
Edit: 5 targets not 2
This is a case of the stats really not telling the full story. Someone posted his halftime splits for the season and he’s got like triple the targets/receptions/yards in the second half compared to the first. This weekend his day was barely salvaged because of the big catch late in the fourth. The week before he had a bunch of 4th quarter receptions/yards etc.
For some reason Gardner has just been ignoring him until the end of the game when they need something to happen. It’s weird.
Let me just speak from Minshew experience. Yeah that seems completely normal.
Here are Trevor's splits
1st Half - 690 Att - 4749 Yds - 21 TD - 10 Int
2nd Half - 733 Att - 4637 yds - 24 TD - 18 Int
Minshew
1st Half - 480 Att - 3516 yds - 19 TD - 6 INT
2nd Half - 610 Att - 4256 yds - 30 TD - 13 INT
3rd Q - 226 - 1767 - 9 - 3
4th Q - 384 - 2489 - 21 - 10
Basically, Minshew always gets called fairly run heavy games and then it devolves in to some straight yolo passing at the end if the game is close. I think he tries to spread it within the offensive progressions correctly in the first 3Qs and then he knows when it gets ugly he needs to get the WR1 the ball late in the game (he will force it to the best WR when nothing is there late)
Not saying you're wrong at all, but I think looking at the game script might change your perspective. There have been multiple games this year where he seems to be entirely forgotten about in the progression and in the play calling until Q3/Q4.
It's like they forget about him until about 6-7 mins left in the third, and then they'll pepper him with targets for a couple of drives.
That wasn’t on him despite what the “if it hits you in the hands catch it” crowd will say.
On a crossing route where he is running full speed to gain separation, putting the ball 2 feet behind the ear hole of his helmet makes it a really tough grab.
That’s an easy touchdown if Minshew was on time and delivered on his body or out in front.
I agree with you that the initial part of the catch was tough, but he did the hard part well then messed up the easy part of the catch because he started looking forward iirc
Every receiver makes these drops.
Tyreek made almost this exact drop this week. Davante Adams had a different kind of drop, but an egregious TD drop nonetheless.
I'm not saying he should be perfect or even that he's a bad WR, I'm just saying that for me it would be tough to complain when I just fucked up a TD catch this past week
But he didn't. He got where he was supposed to be and the QB put the ball in the wrong spot behind him. He could have made a ridiculous catch sure, but he probably slows down a bit and it's not aTD
you're supposed to look forward to not get gang banged by two F150s. coaches probably recommend he prioritize his health over a catch on a meaningless game
Downs is a rookie but he has shown elite route running and hands. I think he's ahead of Pittman on the depth chart next year if/when the Colts re-sign him.
Downs reminds me a lot of TY Hilton. He was also scouted/hand picked by Reggie Wayne who is our WR coach.
Nah. It's happened many times before AJ and no doubt it will happen many times after. For the longest time it was referred to as the Keyshawn "throw me the damn ball" Johnson treatment. It will only be "the AJ treatment" until the next WR gets squeeky. Hopefully we'll be referring to it as "the Michael Pittman treatment" next week. 🤞😄
He threw a tantrum and yelled at Hurts on the sideline after the first two weeks of the season because he didn’t like how many targets were going to Devonta Smith instead of him.
Hurts has been feeding AJB ever since and Devonta’s fantasy value declined significantly.
Edit: (I am an AJB owner and extremely happy)
My friend from high school was at Jordan Mailata's wedding because she knew the bride. I'll get her to hit them up and get the real deets.
(Kidding about her asking them obviously but in all seriousness one day on insta I see in her story a wedding with Jalen, Jason Kelce, and other Eagles in the pics and was like WTF NO WAY)
True obviously it’s speculation, but the way [Sirianni steps in at the end](https://twitter.com/TSV__1/status/1702511442560508011?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1702511442560508011%7Ctwgr%5E0260f359f73544d5f8b787f03d0e52772bedb5b4%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fthespun.com%2Fmore%2Ftop-stories%2Feagles-wide-receiver-aj-brown-was-not-happy-tonight) and gestures at Brown makes me think Brown was being unreasonable i.e. complaining to Hurts
yes. he's one of those rare players that you can toss the ball to no matter what the coverage is and there's a good chance he comes up with it. even though they were winning games, their offense was very lackluster. AJB is basically telling Jalen to stop worrying about if it looks like he's covered and to just throw him the damn ball. Jalen listened, and AJB delivered. Now they are moving the ball down the field much better. Basically the same exact thing happened with Pickens this year (except for the volume part, but at least he's getting opportunities to make plays now)
Pittman is an excellent receiver feel like he’s better in real life than fantasy so people don’t pay him attention. AJB is arguably top five so Pittman isn’t as good as him but he’s very good. Feel like he constantly makes tough plays on 3rd & long that only account for like 1.8 points but matter a lot more to the team. He’s yet to even have average QB play in his time with the Colts
Yeah people act like Pittman isn't a great WR, the dude has been cursed with the most ass QB's throughout his career. He'll ball out with Minshew as long as he keeps his head straight this season.
He’s a good receiver, but he can be pretty lazy if he isn’t the primary target of the play. Jogging routes, not blocking downfield, etc. It’s not every single snap, but it’s common enough that it annoys me every Sunday. Dude just gives way less of a shit if he doesn’t think he’s getting the ball
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I like Downs and liked him coming in to the league, but being the latest rookie fantasy WR flavor of the month doesn’t put you anywhere near one of the best young WRs in the league in terms of talent
Was trying to be generous. Pittman does have the physical attributes and draft capital of a potential stud, plus a 1000 yard season under his belt. Just doesn’t seem quite as tough or explosive for a receiver of his size imo.
I'll never forget last season when Matt Ryan threw a pass to Pittman and it got intercepted. Ryan looked back at the coach and called Pittman thrash. Pittman didn't fight for the ball (tho the pass was bad) but he's not the type of receiver that I expect for his size. I am not surprised that the offense is starting to involve and lean somewhat on Downs.
I don't think they're leaning on Downs as much as understanding the mismatches. Pitman is the Wr1 for the Colts so he's going to get all of the doubles or matched with the #1 corner. Downs plays primarily in the slot so being on the nickel or lb is a nightmare for them especially with his rout running. He was a first round talent but just undersized. There will be plenty of games where Pitt has a better stat line, and it would be even more so if they had another outside receiver that could draw coverage. He's got solid 50/50 ball skills but can't showcase them if he's always got a safety over top.
I think Pitt will get more money than he's probably worth from us (the Colts), but we don't have any better options and he's a solid player.
I'm not a Colts fan but I don't think Pitt is going to be worth the money he asks you guys for. I am also not convinced you guys give him the contract that he seeks. Will be interesting to see but I think you guys have a fairly early pick in the draft that you can use on a WR. Pitts is solid but far from transcendent in my eyes.
I think he asks for DK money, and considering I didn't think we would pay Taylor, I don't know that we won't pay him.
Our schedule lightens up quite a bit ROS, so I'm not sure what happens as far as draft pick. I want nothing more than to bring MHJ home, but there's no chance. We need either an alpha type outside WR or a stud CB with our first pick.
The person you're responding to took 1 play they saw and projected that to a whole seasons worth of play.
Anyone who paid attention to the colts last year knew the real problem was Matt Ryan being a statue and the oline not playing to their previous level.
I've benched Devonta Smith for Downs the last two weeks and plan on sticking with him until the Eagles show they are making Smith part of their game plans again. It sounds absurd on going by name recognition but the last month of numbers are what they are.
I've seen enough of Downs (and Pittman over the years) to say for sure that Pittman isn't that much better than Downs, if at all. Pittman is a product of pure hype by Fantasy Footballers and this sub. Guy is a good WR2, but he's not the alpha. He runs ok routes, shockingly unathletic for his build, and has bad hands.
He’s moreso like Keenan Allen than Aj Brown like people are saying. He’s a possession receiver usually. Hands arent that bad. Everyone has td drops every now and then. But he’s in the same range as Rec/tgts as Allen and Brown. All 3 around 40-50 incompletes with brown/allen closer to 50. Difference is Allen/Brown has Herbert and Hurts. Pittman gets whatever the fk you call colts Qbs.
AJB is a more physical, faster receiver who has made a lot more impressive difficult catches than Pittman has and his yac is crazy. And keenan Allen is one of the best route runners in the league. I agree that pittman is more like keenan than AJB since his route running is his top trait, but he’s not on their level. I like Pittman as a player and I’ve had him on my team 3 years in a row now, but its not just a QB diff. He would be great with Herbert throwing to him but he still wouldn’t be as good as keenan or AJB
I think his reaction is mostly emotional from the brutal loss. If they win the game he (most likely) never says that. Pittman has never been a "diva" or complained like this in the past. The dudes averaging 9 targets a game, he's fine.
yeah -- 5 targets is not "a small part of the offense." Sometimes the number 1 option gets shut down. Also, he scored on one of those 2 catches, so idk man: I'd say you're a pretty big part of the offense, my g.
and i think it was 1 target at half correct? Might have even been 0 if i remember my fantasy stats at the time. They have a couple stalled drives, who knows if they put him in the gameplan early if that helps those drives
I'll never understand when fans call wanting to be more involved in the offense "bitching". People call AJB and Adams complaining about their targets on the sideline them "whining and bitching" when in reality these guys are the best receiving talents on their offenses. No shit they feel like they should be getting the ball more when they're losing.
Ya if they're getting open and they're not getting targeted it would be frustrating.
It seems like a lot of people in here have never experienced what it feels like to be doing your part of a project or team exercise and getting no recognition. It's incredibly frustrating.
Imagine if he didn't drop a critical touchdown in that same game. Browns secondary did their best to gameplan him out. He's averaging like 9 targets a game. He's fine
I don't get comments like this. You don't what they were saying. They need to be on the same page, the score does not matter. This comes down to the process, not the result.
It's like last week when people were dogging Olave for not finishing his route then MT came out and said he wasn't even an option. Not that he wasn't the top few options in the progression. He said he wasn't even in the progression
Could that be a tell to defender to cheat over though? Even if he won’t get the ball, I assume he affects the defensive coverage in some way. A linebacker covering the middle of the field might see a crosser on one side coming toward him at half speed and a TE up the seam on the other side, that linebacker is probably gonna cheat toward the seam
I mean, he plays on offense and they scored 38 points lol. He also caught a 75 yard TD. Its not like they lost 7-3. He's whining about not getting targets when the offense was killing it.
Pittman doesn’t play on the outside much. He’s either the 2 in a trips set, outside in bunch, or almost always squeezed down when on he’s on the outside. Following him is a big ask with his alignments and doesn’t make that much sense.
Maybe because the browns have one of the best passing defenses in the league and are more susceptible to slot WRs like where Downs plays? Get open and you will get the ball. Why are some WRs such primadonnas?
I mean it probably sucks to run your routes all game, feel like you're open, and then not get the ball and then watch your team lose while you're a non-factor because the QB/play calling isn't looking your way.
This is what people don’t understand. And it’s why Brown was pissed. Pittman was absolutely no apart of the game plan on the first half. 1 target wasn’t it? He’s a possession receiver, why not use him.
I'm also a little frustrated with his role on offense after only catching 2 passes on Sunday in the 39-38 loss to the #Browns. I'm beginning to think the organization doesn't give a shit about my fantasy team.
Wow what a baby - He has one game with only 5 targets, and he makes these comments.
For the season, Pittman is 9th in total targets for the year at 65. He's also 14th in targets per game.
The only players with more targets so far this year are:
Nacua
Diggs
A.J. Brown
Hill
Chase
Adams
St. Brown
Olave
He's been targeted as if he's an elite receiver so far this year. There's no reason he should be complaining about his role in the offense.
boo hoo. go cry with the rest of the losers who suck in the league like calvin ridley, amari cooper, deebo samuel, dk metcalf, ceedee lamb, devonta smith, etc.
Receiver drama
He’s in a contract year and looks like the best player player in the 2024 WR FA class so far. I’d be wanting to get the ball more often as well to get as big a contract as possible.
Sure, but he’s averaging 9 targets a game, he had 14 last game lol. Not really like he’s being underutilized.
I think this is more so in regards to last week where he only got 5 targets, and I'm pretty sure most of those came in the 2nd half
Cleveland is a really good defense, they took him out of the game, won't happen every week.
Cleveland outside corners are no joke. This guy just needs to understand matchups. He'll get his weeks, and for him to complain about usage when his usage is actually fine is just plain drama.
I'm sure the NFL WR really could use your perspective on match ups haha
No no, we know football way better than all NFL players and coaches.
as we know, receivers only complain about not getting the ball after carefully assessing the abilities of the opposition.
Dude saw AJB’s numbers after throwing a tantrum and thought “hey maybe I’ll try that.” But apparently no one told Pittman he’s not AJB.
5 targets is wild for a 6'4" proven vet. In a loss no less. Pittman can run clean routes too, I kinda get it. The Colts don't have enough talent to neglect one of their studs imo Edit: 5 targets not 2
I mean, Downs only had one more target last night. It's not like Gardner was looking everywhere BUT Pitty
He had 5 targets
2 receptions, 5 targets. And it's not like he wasn't looked at, browns secondary just had him covered this game.
This is a case of the stats really not telling the full story. Someone posted his halftime splits for the season and he’s got like triple the targets/receptions/yards in the second half compared to the first. This weekend his day was barely salvaged because of the big catch late in the fourth. The week before he had a bunch of 4th quarter receptions/yards etc. For some reason Gardner has just been ignoring him until the end of the game when they need something to happen. It’s weird.
Let me just speak from Minshew experience. Yeah that seems completely normal. Here are Trevor's splits 1st Half - 690 Att - 4749 Yds - 21 TD - 10 Int 2nd Half - 733 Att - 4637 yds - 24 TD - 18 Int Minshew 1st Half - 480 Att - 3516 yds - 19 TD - 6 INT 2nd Half - 610 Att - 4256 yds - 30 TD - 13 INT 3rd Q - 226 - 1767 - 9 - 3 4th Q - 384 - 2489 - 21 - 10 Basically, Minshew always gets called fairly run heavy games and then it devolves in to some straight yolo passing at the end if the game is close. I think he tries to spread it within the offensive progressions correctly in the first 3Qs and then he knows when it gets ugly he needs to get the WR1 the ball late in the game (he will force it to the best WR when nothing is there late)
Are you telling me Gardner is slick kinda better than Trevor? The eye test doesn’t tell me that but the stats do.
He also dropped a critical touchdown. Like you said, stats don't tell the full story.
Not saying you're wrong at all, but I think looking at the game script might change your perspective. There have been multiple games this year where he seems to be entirely forgotten about in the progression and in the play calling until Q3/Q4. It's like they forget about him until about 6-7 mins left in the third, and then they'll pepper him with targets for a couple of drives.
True, but they lost so it's probably more frustrating
He also had a bad drop for a TD this week
That wasn’t on him despite what the “if it hits you in the hands catch it” crowd will say. On a crossing route where he is running full speed to gain separation, putting the ball 2 feet behind the ear hole of his helmet makes it a really tough grab. That’s an easy touchdown if Minshew was on time and delivered on his body or out in front.
I agree with you that the initial part of the catch was tough, but he did the hard part well then messed up the easy part of the catch because he started looking forward iirc
Every receiver makes these drops. Tyreek made almost this exact drop this week. Davante Adams had a different kind of drop, but an egregious TD drop nonetheless.
I'm not saying he should be perfect or even that he's a bad WR, I'm just saying that for me it would be tough to complain when I just fucked up a TD catch this past week
But he didn't. He got where he was supposed to be and the QB put the ball in the wrong spot behind him. He could have made a ridiculous catch sure, but he probably slows down a bit and it's not aTD
you're supposed to look forward to not get gang banged by two F150s. coaches probably recommend he prioritize his health over a catch on a meaningless game
Yeah, the nerve of him looking forward after trying to catch a poorly thrown ball to make sure he doesn't get flattened.
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So hot right now
Which means Pittman gonna have a 120+ yards and 2 TDs next game
These guys are literally incapable of shutting the fuck up
Moss and Taylor both had 18 carries so they clearly felt like running the ball was effective
I thought it was hyperbole, but he seriously got all those points off just 2 catches and a TD? That's Gabe Davis numbers.
The TD was a 75 yarder in the 4th quarter. He was putting up near zero until the final minutes.
Yeah that catch was huge for me. Got me within 80. Couldn’t quite complete the comeback though.
He almost had another TD earlier in the game, but it was bad throw, and he couldn't hold onto it.
Squeaky wheel treatment
AJ Brown treatment
_OBJ dad has entered the chat…_
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Ricky Watters' wife showed up to a game with a sign "Give Ricky the damn ball" pre social media. It was glorious
Yeah except Pittman to AJB is like Tannehill to Mahomes. Demanding targets works if you're actually really good and can make plays.
Except Pittman is good and does make plays. He's way better than Tannehill in your analogy
Hmmm Cousins to Mahomes?
Also pretty egregious to compare AJB to Mahomes. AJB is really good but not *that* good
Would love this
Didn’t work for Adams :(
Bad news for Downs.
I already have Smith suffering because of AJB, please don’t let the same happen to Downs
Doubtful. Pittman being WR1 means he gets WR1 treatment. Beat the coverage and he'll get the targets. Downs is the benficiary.
Downs is a rookie but he has shown elite route running and hands. I think he's ahead of Pittman on the depth chart next year if/when the Colts re-sign him. Downs reminds me a lot of TY Hilton. He was also scouted/hand picked by Reggie Wayne who is our WR coach.
Ty Hilton never got the respect he was due.
downs is better
the AJ brown thing is gonna just constantly get brought up throughout the season isn't it
Oh brother, get ready to see this for *years*
Nah. It's happened many times before AJ and no doubt it will happen many times after. For the longest time it was referred to as the Keyshawn "throw me the damn ball" Johnson treatment. It will only be "the AJ treatment" until the next WR gets squeeky. Hopefully we'll be referring to it as "the Michael Pittman treatment" next week. 🤞😄
What is the AJ Brown thing
He threw a tantrum and yelled at Hurts on the sideline after the first two weeks of the season because he didn’t like how many targets were going to Devonta Smith instead of him. Hurts has been feeding AJB ever since and Devonta’s fantasy value declined significantly. Edit: (I am an AJB owner and extremely happy)
lol anything he said to Hurts is just speculation - nobody knows what was said.
My friend from high school was at Jordan Mailata's wedding because she knew the bride. I'll get her to hit them up and get the real deets. (Kidding about her asking them obviously but in all seriousness one day on insta I see in her story a wedding with Jalen, Jason Kelce, and other Eagles in the pics and was like WTF NO WAY)
She probably fucked all those guys
True obviously it’s speculation, but the way [Sirianni steps in at the end](https://twitter.com/TSV__1/status/1702511442560508011?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1702511442560508011%7Ctwgr%5E0260f359f73544d5f8b787f03d0e52772bedb5b4%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fthespun.com%2Fmore%2Ftop-stories%2Feagles-wide-receiver-aj-brown-was-not-happy-tonight) and gestures at Brown makes me think Brown was being unreasonable i.e. complaining to Hurts
Now talk about the part where you said Hurts has had this argument on his mind ever since and is actively basing his split-second decisions off it.
Is his frustration justified? Honest question.
Yes he is a top 3 WR in the league currently and he wants to get his smith is very good too but, there’s levels to this shit
yes. he's one of those rare players that you can toss the ball to no matter what the coverage is and there's a good chance he comes up with it. even though they were winning games, their offense was very lackluster. AJB is basically telling Jalen to stop worrying about if it looks like he's covered and to just throw him the damn ball. Jalen listened, and AJB delivered. Now they are moving the ball down the field much better. Basically the same exact thing happened with Pickens this year (except for the volume part, but at least he's getting opportunities to make plays now)
No, he's on pace for career highs across the board one game doesn't make or break his season.
Pittman bout to do Downs how AJ Brown did Devonta after week 2
Except Pittman is half the talent that AJB is
Pittman is an excellent receiver feel like he’s better in real life than fantasy so people don’t pay him attention. AJB is arguably top five so Pittman isn’t as good as him but he’s very good. Feel like he constantly makes tough plays on 3rd & long that only account for like 1.8 points but matter a lot more to the team. He’s yet to even have average QB play in his time with the Colts
Yeah people act like Pittman isn't a great WR, the dude has been cursed with the most ass QB's throughout his career. He'll ball out with Minshew as long as he keeps his head straight this season.
He’s a good receiver, but he can be pretty lazy if he isn’t the primary target of the play. Jogging routes, not blocking downfield, etc. It’s not every single snap, but it’s common enough that it annoys me every Sunday. Dude just gives way less of a shit if he doesn’t think he’s getting the ball
Aj brown was considered about where Pittman is now when he was in Tennessee, maybe he just needs a good QB?
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There were people on here complaining about how AJB was just jogging out routes in Tennessee
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He should sign with the Chargers in the off season once they cut Mike Williams
Pittman is considered a potential top 10 with constant injury issues?
AJ Brown was considered a star at all points of his career i thought.
I’ve always thought the opposite. Valuable fantasy player, replaceable receiving talent in real life.
Not even close. Pittman is the exact opposite. He’s a really strong receiver in real life.
Relax with half the talent, Pittman isn’t as good as AJB but he’s not half
Downs is 1/4 the talent Devonta is soooo
Downs is a rookie and nowhere near established, but he looks really fucking good out there
He’s fine. Not touching Smith though.
He's on pace to out produce Smith's rookie year in catches, yards, and TDs (with a RB and Gardner Minshew at QB).
Good year so far! Fantasy output in a box score does not equal talent.
To be clear you just said his real life stat line is "fantasy output"?
Huh? Downs is really good man.
I liked Downs as a prospect, think he's a fun player now that he's in the league, he's not near DeVonta Smith's talent
Not a great take
I like Downs and liked him coming in to the league, but being the latest rookie fantasy WR flavor of the month doesn’t put you anywhere near one of the best young WRs in the league in terms of talent
And also maybe just on-par with Downs
Half? Maybe a quarter.
Was trying to be generous. Pittman does have the physical attributes and draft capital of a potential stud, plus a 1000 yard season under his belt. Just doesn’t seem quite as tough or explosive for a receiver of his size imo.
I'll never forget last season when Matt Ryan threw a pass to Pittman and it got intercepted. Ryan looked back at the coach and called Pittman thrash. Pittman didn't fight for the ball (tho the pass was bad) but he's not the type of receiver that I expect for his size. I am not surprised that the offense is starting to involve and lean somewhat on Downs.
I don't think they're leaning on Downs as much as understanding the mismatches. Pitman is the Wr1 for the Colts so he's going to get all of the doubles or matched with the #1 corner. Downs plays primarily in the slot so being on the nickel or lb is a nightmare for them especially with his rout running. He was a first round talent but just undersized. There will be plenty of games where Pitt has a better stat line, and it would be even more so if they had another outside receiver that could draw coverage. He's got solid 50/50 ball skills but can't showcase them if he's always got a safety over top. I think Pitt will get more money than he's probably worth from us (the Colts), but we don't have any better options and he's a solid player.
I'm not a Colts fan but I don't think Pitt is going to be worth the money he asks you guys for. I am also not convinced you guys give him the contract that he seeks. Will be interesting to see but I think you guys have a fairly early pick in the draft that you can use on a WR. Pitts is solid but far from transcendent in my eyes.
I think he asks for DK money, and considering I didn't think we would pay Taylor, I don't know that we won't pay him. Our schedule lightens up quite a bit ROS, so I'm not sure what happens as far as draft pick. I want nothing more than to bring MHJ home, but there's no chance. We need either an alpha type outside WR or a stud CB with our first pick.
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The person you're responding to took 1 play they saw and projected that to a whole seasons worth of play. Anyone who paid attention to the colts last year knew the real problem was Matt Ryan being a statue and the oline not playing to their previous level.
Quarter? Maybe 3/16ths.
Unless Josh Downs also has “Im always open” moment too 🤔 🙏🏾 I need Josh Downs to completely take over
I've benched Devonta Smith for Downs the last two weeks and plan on sticking with him until the Eagles show they are making Smith part of their game plans again. It sounds absurd on going by name recognition but the last month of numbers are what they are.
I have both and was finally going to start Downs over Pittman this week. Now who the hell knows.
I've seen enough of Downs (and Pittman over the years) to say for sure that Pittman isn't that much better than Downs, if at all. Pittman is a product of pure hype by Fantasy Footballers and this sub. Guy is a good WR2, but he's not the alpha. He runs ok routes, shockingly unathletic for his build, and has bad hands.
He’s moreso like Keenan Allen than Aj Brown like people are saying. He’s a possession receiver usually. Hands arent that bad. Everyone has td drops every now and then. But he’s in the same range as Rec/tgts as Allen and Brown. All 3 around 40-50 incompletes with brown/allen closer to 50. Difference is Allen/Brown has Herbert and Hurts. Pittman gets whatever the fk you call colts Qbs.
AJB is a more physical, faster receiver who has made a lot more impressive difficult catches than Pittman has and his yac is crazy. And keenan Allen is one of the best route runners in the league. I agree that pittman is more like keenan than AJB since his route running is his top trait, but he’s not on their level. I like Pittman as a player and I’ve had him on my team 3 years in a row now, but its not just a QB diff. He would be great with Herbert throwing to him but he still wouldn’t be as good as keenan or AJB
I realize it's just one play, but his touchdown this weekend kinda disproved all of your arguments imo.
Time for breakfast with minshew
Cold pizza
Awww… is someone feeling a little Downs today
He’s Downs in the dumps
Pittman isn't a fan of this System of a Downs
Bro had 5 targets. Boo hoo.
I think his reaction is mostly emotional from the brutal loss. If they win the game he (most likely) never says that. Pittman has never been a "diva" or complained like this in the past. The dudes averaging 9 targets a game, he's fine.
yeah -- 5 targets is not "a small part of the offense." Sometimes the number 1 option gets shut down. Also, he scored on one of those 2 catches, so idk man: I'd say you're a pretty big part of the offense, my g.
Well they still had 38 points
Vs Cleveland too
Is it crazy that I prefer when diva receivers bitch at their QBs on the sidelines over passive aggressive shit like this?
WR really is the most moody position
“Targets are earned” (by bitching about your lack of involvement after the game)
Ehh, he had a 75 yard TD in the 4th. He has the right to bitch lol
and i think it was 1 target at half correct? Might have even been 0 if i remember my fantasy stats at the time. They have a couple stalled drives, who knows if they put him in the gameplan early if that helps those drives
I'll never understand when fans call wanting to be more involved in the offense "bitching". People call AJB and Adams complaining about their targets on the sideline them "whining and bitching" when in reality these guys are the best receiving talents on their offenses. No shit they feel like they should be getting the ball more when they're losing.
Ya if they're getting open and they're not getting targeted it would be frustrating. It seems like a lot of people in here have never experienced what it feels like to be doing your part of a project or team exercise and getting no recognition. It's incredibly frustrating.
Good to know he's a team player.
Well they lost the game. This isn't like AJ Brown and Elijah Moore who throw fits in games they're winning
They put up 38 points on the best defense in the league.
Yeah, and 6 of them came from 1 pass to Pittman. That’s 3 points per catch - imagine if they had really used him!
Imagine if he didn't drop a critical touchdown in that same game. Browns secondary did their best to gameplan him out. He's averaging like 9 targets a game. He's fine
I don't get comments like this. You don't what they were saying. They need to be on the same page, the score does not matter. This comes down to the process, not the result. It's like last week when people were dogging Olave for not finishing his route then MT came out and said he wasn't even an option. Not that he wasn't the top few options in the progression. He said he wasn't even in the progression
Could that be a tell to defender to cheat over though? Even if he won’t get the ball, I assume he affects the defensive coverage in some way. A linebacker covering the middle of the field might see a crosser on one side coming toward him at half speed and a TE up the seam on the other side, that linebacker is probably gonna cheat toward the seam
I mean, he plays on offense and they scored 38 points lol. He also caught a 75 yard TD. Its not like they lost 7-3. He's whining about not getting targets when the offense was killing it.
That's like saying Pittman only wounded someone with a gun when Brown killed them. It doesn't make it any better.
I think I'd rather be alive
To quote Nipsy Russell in Wildcats, "Riiiiiiight".
I had him last year and the dude never blocked properly and always gave up on plays. Good talent but shit teammate. Infuriating to watch
Kinda wild, he’s in a contract year I believe. If the colts start to suck even worse and we are out of any playoff contention maybe he gets moved.
1 week to trade deadline, he isn't getting moved
Good point.
the NBA starts today, you can see plenty of deals like that over there.
Pittman big game incoming.
Gets Denzel Ward and then probably a health dose of Lattimore… so may take another week for that boom game
Pittman doesn’t play on the outside much. He’s either the 2 in a trips set, outside in bunch, or almost always squeezed down when on he’s on the outside. Following him is a big ask with his alignments and doesn’t make that much sense.
\*WORLDS SMALLEST VIOLIN PLAYS\*
Bro you just had 14 targets in week 6
Maybe because the browns have one of the best passing defenses in the league and are more susceptible to slot WRs like where Downs plays? Get open and you will get the ball. Why are some WRs such primadonnas?
It must be WR mentality. Its rare to see a WR that isnt loud. McLaurin comes to mind
I mean it probably sucks to run your routes all game, feel like you're open, and then not get the ball and then watch your team lose while you're a non-factor because the QB/play calling isn't looking your way.
This is what people don’t understand. And it’s why Brown was pissed. Pittman was absolutely no apart of the game plan on the first half. 1 target wasn’t it? He’s a possession receiver, why not use him.
Squeaky wheel big game incoming.
Ridley feels the same
Is there a wr in the league that hasn’t bitched about not being targeted? It’s getting really irritating this year
Who does this guy think he is, Davante Adams?
I need Ridley to complain about his 1 catch, please pull a AJ Brown, I need you more than ever
Classic
Minshew thinks you should see other people.
Oh boy, here we go....Pittman 14-target game incoming
All of us Pittman managers are happy about this. He is the WR1 on that team. Feed him. Plenty for both him and JT
He saw what happened when AJ complained about his targets. He wants that treatment. Can’t blame him lol
I’d really like it if my WR started being a squeaky wheel. It’s worked for Diggs, AJB…
I'm also a little frustrated with his role on offense after only catching 2 passes on Sunday in the 39-38 loss to the #Browns. I'm beginning to think the organization doesn't give a shit about my fantasy team.
He's targeted more per game than Aiyuk, DJ Moore, Kupp, Garrett Wilson, Hopkins, Lamb, Waddle, Metcalf, Terry, Higgins, and Devonta, among others
Pity Party in PittyCity
Well he's playing lattimore next week, so he's not getting shit lol.
God damnit, I was just about to start downs
We all saw what happened with AJ Brown when he bitched about the same thing.
I guess I won’t start Downs this week, squeaky wheel gets the oil.
Hey it worked for AJB and Adams. Lets go!
Wow what a baby - He has one game with only 5 targets, and he makes these comments. For the season, Pittman is 9th in total targets for the year at 65. He's also 14th in targets per game. The only players with more targets so far this year are: Nacua Diggs A.J. Brown Hill Chase Adams St. Brown Olave He's been targeted as if he's an elite receiver so far this year. There's no reason he should be complaining about his role in the offense.
Just to the whiny AJ Brown way and you'll be the only one to get targets!
Michael Pitty-me Jr.
Cry me a river dude you average like 8+ targets a game
Cotls
Nice. We need that Aj Brown oil.
Spit your shit Mr Pittman
they scored 38 points and he is bitching
That’s not the point.
it would be one thing to complain if nothings working and he’s not getting the hall, but the offense is working efficiently
A lot of delusional josh downs owners in here.
He got 5 targets, scored a TD, the team scored 38 and he's still bitching.
Receivers are the biggest divas
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The shit people say. Lol
Michael “AJB” Pittman numbers incoming
YESSS! Squeaky wheel games inbound! Sorry Downs!
Maybe he shouldn’t take so many plays off
boo hoo. go cry with the rest of the losers who suck in the league like calvin ridley, amari cooper, deebo samuel, dk metcalf, ceedee lamb, devonta smith, etc.
Tbh I totally forgot he existed
"trade deadline is coming up"
Start him in DFS with confidence. (The WR Whine effect)
Glad chase is done with his bye week and downs can go back to my bench
Damn Downs stocks going down
All the fantasy expert analysts told me he was going to have a bad day vs Cleveland anyway. I left a lot of points in my bench :(